Comments on: Read: Heilman Staying or Going http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/23/read-heilman-staying-or-going/ Latest Mets News, Links, Rumors and Opinion Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: MetLifer http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/23/read-heilman-staying-or-going/#comment-377173 MetLifer Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:36:11 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=20871#comment-377173 Exactly! He'd be lights out for weeks at a time but then his slider/changeup won't drop and he'd walk a ton and then give up a bomb. It's maddening, how incosistent he isi. Exactly!

He’d be lights out for weeks at a time but then his slider/changeup won’t drop and he’d walk a ton and then give up a bomb. It’s maddening, how incosistent he isi.

]]> By: Mex_17 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/23/read-heilman-staying-or-going/#comment-377014 Mex_17 Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:07:45 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=20871#comment-377014 You are right about not getting anything for him. Another example of Omar selling low. Think of the talent we could have gotten for Heilman back when every team wanted him. Now Omar has to dump him for nothing. Similar circumstances with Milledge. I hated Milledge, but Omar sold him at his absolute lowest value. Omar loves to take highly prized young players, wait until their value drops, then trade them for crap. You are right about not getting anything for him. Another example of Omar selling low. Think of the talent we could have gotten for Heilman back when every team wanted him. Now Omar has to dump him for nothing.

Similar circumstances with Milledge. I hated Milledge, but Omar sold him at his absolute lowest value.

Omar loves to take highly prized young players, wait until their value drops, then trade them for crap.

]]> By: Mex_17 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/23/read-heilman-staying-or-going/#comment-377010 Mex_17 Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:03:16 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=20871#comment-377010 Heilman is godawful. How bad does a pitcher have to get before you dump him? He's the 2008 version of Calvin Schiraldi. The only time he could get anyone out was when they brought him in as a mop up man when the Mets were losing. If they brought him in losing 10-0, he was fine. Anytime they brought him in with a lead, he couldn't get anyone out. Ever. Send him to the A's or Seattle where we'll never have to look at him again. There are plenty of other terrible relievers out there that we can sign for 2009. He's a total loser who can't handle even the slightest pressure, not a guy you want on your team. Heilman is godawful. How bad does a pitcher have to get before you dump him? He’s the 2008 version of Calvin Schiraldi.

The only time he could get anyone out was when they brought him in as a mop up man when the Mets were losing. If they brought him in losing 10-0, he was fine. Anytime they brought him in with a lead, he couldn’t get anyone out. Ever.

Send him to the A’s or Seattle where we’ll never have to look at him again. There are plenty of other terrible relievers out there that we can sign for 2009. He’s a total loser who can’t handle even the slightest pressure, not a guy you want on your team.

]]> By: The Slider http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/23/read-heilman-staying-or-going/#comment-376894 The Slider Fri, 24 Oct 2008 03:24:58 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=20871#comment-376894 Right. Because vindictive Mets fans will never give him a fair shot here again. He's become a whipping boy. It's a shame because he is talented and has good stuff - and is cheap right now. And you know - you just know - that he will have big years with the next team he goes to. Right. Because vindictive Mets fans will never give him a fair shot here again. He’s become a whipping boy. It’s a shame because he is talented and has good stuff – and is cheap right now.

And you know – you just know – that he will have big years with the next team he goes to.

]]> By: nyj0126 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/23/read-heilman-staying-or-going/#comment-376891 nyj0126 Fri, 24 Oct 2008 03:17:49 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=20871#comment-376891 Be fair to Heilman. Trade him. It's not about being a start or reliever at this point. It's about him getting a new change somewhere else. If he remains here, I won't be happy. Even if he did alright. It'd be like holding onto Mota in 2008. I'll never trust this guy when it counts which is what the real problem is. I want to be able to trust my relievers. Be fair to Heilman. Trade him. It’s not about being a start or reliever at this point. It’s about him getting a new change somewhere else. If he remains here, I won’t be happy. Even if he did alright. It’d be like holding onto Mota in 2008. I’ll never trust this guy when it counts which is what the real problem is. I want to be able to trust my relievers.

]]> By: just-mlb http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/23/read-heilman-staying-or-going/#comment-376880 just-mlb Fri, 24 Oct 2008 02:27:30 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=20871#comment-376880 That damn Omar....everyone knows he favors Caucasian players...thats why he wont let Aaron go ! That damn Omar….everyone knows he favors Caucasian players…thats why he wont let Aaron go !

]]> By: metsfan1 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/23/read-heilman-staying-or-going/#comment-376878 metsfan1 Fri, 24 Oct 2008 02:24:02 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=20871#comment-376878 Heilman unfortunately I feel is one of those guys that will continue to fail in NY like so many other players only to see them resurrect their career on another team. The Mets will not get full value for him. Lets face it, he throws 95 with a slider and changeup. When he is on he is scary but loses confidence too easily. We need to cut ties to him. Many relievers have failed on the Mets. If he fails early next year, people will be on him all year. Just think what we could have had a couple of years ago when teams were falling over themselves to get him as a starter. Now maybe we will get draft picks or utility type players. Heilman unfortunately I feel is one of those guys that will continue to fail in NY like so many other players only to see them resurrect their career on another team. The Mets will not get full value for him. Lets face it, he throws 95 with a slider and changeup. When he is on he is scary but loses confidence too easily. We need to cut ties to him. Many relievers have failed on the Mets. If he fails early next year, people will be on him all year.

Just think what we could have had a couple of years ago when teams were falling over themselves to get him as a starter. Now maybe we will get draft picks or utility type players.

]]> By: MetsFan4Decades http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/23/read-heilman-staying-or-going/#comment-376870 MetsFan4Decades Fri, 24 Oct 2008 01:56:58 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=20871#comment-376870 Bye, bye Aaron. He'd have to not have blown a game for the entire first half of the '09 season before Met fans could exhale while he was on the mound... Not that he was the only one in that pen who gave up leads consistently. But I found myself thinking when they had to bring in someone - 'anyone but Heilman'. He replaced the 'anyone but Mota' in my mind. Nothing personal against him. Change of scenery needed all the way around. Bye, bye Aaron. He’d have to not have blown a game for the entire first half of the ’09 season before Met fans could exhale while he was on the mound…

Not that he was the only one in that pen who gave up leads consistently. But I found myself thinking when they had to bring in someone – ‘anyone but Heilman’. He replaced the ‘anyone but Mota’ in my mind.

Nothing personal against him. Change of scenery needed all the way around.

]]> By: zen http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/23/read-heilman-staying-or-going/#comment-376855 zen Fri, 24 Oct 2008 01:16:31 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=20871#comment-376855 sign adam loewen. just released. sign adam loewen. just released.

]]> By: MetLifer http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/23/read-heilman-staying-or-going/#comment-376814 MetLifer Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:53:55 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=20871#comment-376814 Some guys need a change of scenery.. Heilman is one of them. The fans boo him to no end. Even if he was as starter... His first bad game.. Everyone would be screaming for his head. Best thing we can do is trade him for another guy that needs a change of scenery. The argument that his value is too low to trade is hogwash.. Just because we as fans think his value is low doesn't mean that other GMs view him the same way. They see that he's had pretty good success before last year and that he can bounce back. Sure we would love to see him do it here, but it's most likely not going to happen in NY. Even a slightest sign of trouble and the fans will shoot his confidence down with boos. Obviously you won't get fair value for him straight up, but in a bigger trade he can be a big part of it. Some guys need a change of scenery.. Heilman is one of them. The fans boo him to no end. Even if he was as starter… His first bad game.. Everyone would be screaming for his head. Best thing we can do is trade him for another guy that needs a change of scenery.

The argument that his value is too low to trade is hogwash.. Just because we as fans think his value is low doesn’t mean that other GMs view him the same way. They see that he’s had pretty good success before last year and that he can bounce back. Sure we would love to see him do it here, but it’s most likely not going to happen in NY. Even a slightest sign of trouble and the fans will shoot his confidence down with boos.

Obviously you won’t get fair value for him straight up, but in a bigger trade he can be a big part of it.

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