Comments on: Buzz: Most Reports say No to K-Rod http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/27/buzz-most-reports-say-no-to-k-rod/ MetsBlog.com features the latest Mets rumors, player movement, and news circulating around the Internet, as well as Mets related insights and opinions by Matthew Cerrone and his team of guest bloggers. Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:48:15 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: gomets019 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/27/buzz-most-reports-say-no-to-k-rod/#comment-378671 gomets019 Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:54:04 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/27/buzz-most-reports-say-no-to-k-rod/#comment-378671 I know rumors and near deals that get reported aren't always legit, but does anyone else remember it being widely reported that the rockies offered Fuentes to the Mets last year for Heilman and Schoenweis? and Omar balked at including Schoenweis! If it was legit I think it ranks as the worst move Omar didn't make. Fuentes may have saved the season setting up for (remember all those games Heilman coughed up), then replacing Billy Wagner. That said I agree Fuentes is not as good as advertised and not at all worth Brad Lidge money. He'd be a great 8th inning guy at a reasonable price but as a closer in NY he won't exactly light the world on fire. He'd be more like Braden Looper-competent, not dominant. In fact, Braden Looper, as a type B Free agent who enjoyed playing in NY and has since become an inning eating decent 4th starter could and should be the mets priority. He's cheap and he could help as a starter, set up guy, or closer on this team. Loopers presence in the rotation would allow Maine to try out as closer, and if the experiment didn't work, Looper's modest ego wouldn't object to going back to the bullpen. You look at the really good teams in baseball and they're flexible. They use guys at the end of the year in ways they didn't in the beginning. They're creative and mix things up. The Mets are way too static. They pencil in a guy they like (or just a guy nobody else wants because of age/contract) and leave them there. I know rumors and near deals that get reported aren’t always legit, but does anyone else remember it being widely reported that the rockies offered Fuentes to the Mets last year for Heilman and Schoenweis? and Omar balked at including Schoenweis! If it was legit I think it ranks as the worst move Omar didn’t make. Fuentes may have saved the season setting up for (remember all those games Heilman coughed up), then replacing Billy Wagner. That said I agree Fuentes is not as good as advertised and not at all worth Brad Lidge money. He’d be a great 8th inning guy at a reasonable price but as a closer in NY he won’t exactly light the world on fire. He’d be more like Braden Looper-competent, not dominant. In fact, Braden Looper, as a type B Free agent who enjoyed playing in NY and has since become an inning eating decent 4th starter could and should be the mets priority. He’s cheap and he could help as a starter, set up guy, or closer on this team. Loopers presence in the rotation would allow Maine to try out as closer, and if the experiment didn’t work, Looper’s modest ego wouldn’t object to going back to the bullpen. You look at the really good teams in baseball and they’re flexible. They use guys at the end of the year in ways they didn’t in the beginning. They’re creative and mix things up. The Mets are way too static. They pencil in a guy they like (or just a guy nobody else wants because of age/contract) and leave them there.

]]> By: BBmetsfreak36 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/27/buzz-most-reports-say-no-to-k-rod/#comment-378151 BBmetsfreak36 Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:45:39 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/27/buzz-most-reports-say-no-to-k-rod/#comment-378151 Ok i had a big ellaborate post that was in depth yet down to the piont. so i post.... you must be logged in to post a comment grr so i lost it but basically wat it said was i dont want a 36 yr. old left handed closer down the road thats the next brandon looper. Krod is what we need and whats availible without giving up guys. Krod wont cost all that much more. I think this contract is good for both sides. 09' 14.5 mil 10' 14.5 mil 11' 14.5 mil(average per. year) 12' 15.75 mil (player may opt out of contract after 3rd year) 13' 16.5 mil team option(turns into a player option if recorded 150 saves as Met) Feedback is welcome Tell me what you think =] Ok i had a big ellaborate post that was in depth yet down to the piont. so i post….
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grr
so i lost it
but basically wat it said was i dont want a 36 yr. old left handed closer down the road thats the next brandon looper.
Krod is what we need and whats availible without giving up guys.
Krod wont cost all that much more. I think this contract is good for both sides.
09′ 14.5 mil
10′ 14.5 mil
11′ 14.5 mil(average per. year)
12′ 15.75 mil (player may opt out of contract after 3rd year)
13′ 16.5 mil team option(turns into a player option if recorded 150 saves as Met)
Feedback is welcome
Tell me what you think =]

]]> By: FlightFromHouston http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/27/buzz-most-reports-say-no-to-k-rod/#comment-378132 FlightFromHouston Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:19:46 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/27/buzz-most-reports-say-no-to-k-rod/#comment-378132 I agree. that's smart. I agree. that’s smart.

]]> By: rogasm http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/27/buzz-most-reports-say-no-to-k-rod/#comment-378022 rogasm Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:35:33 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/27/buzz-most-reports-say-no-to-k-rod/#comment-378022 I hate to say it, but maybe this Mets "core" of players just isn't very good. The NL East was suspect for a long time this year and they were unable to take control. I hate to say it, but maybe this Mets “core” of players just isn’t very good. The NL East was suspect for a long time this year and they were unable to take control.

]]> By: beltran the warrior http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/27/buzz-most-reports-say-no-to-k-rod/#comment-378010 beltran the warrior Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:04:05 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/27/buzz-most-reports-say-no-to-k-rod/#comment-378010 i want nothing to do with fuentes. i want nothing to do with fuentes.

]]> By: beltran the warrior http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/27/buzz-most-reports-say-no-to-k-rod/#comment-378008 beltran the warrior Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:02:54 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/27/buzz-most-reports-say-no-to-k-rod/#comment-378008 there's no such thing as winning elegantly. it's about winning, period. there’s no such thing as winning elegantly. it’s about winning, period.

]]> By: rosemarymets http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/27/buzz-most-reports-say-no-to-k-rod/#comment-377999 rosemarymets Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:41:15 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/27/buzz-most-reports-say-no-to-k-rod/#comment-377999 if the mets can sign cc that would be optimal but idont think that will happen...this phillies winning it all business is really irrritating...but it still doesnt feel as bad as the cards in '06 did cause we were so close then...but that reminds me...please get rid of heilman and castillo as they both are like anchors holding us down... if the mets can sign cc that would be optimal but idont think that will happen…this phillies winning it all business is really irrritating…but it still doesnt feel as bad as the cards in ‘06 did cause we were so close then…but that reminds me…please get rid of heilman and castillo as they both are like anchors holding us down…

]]> By: zen http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/27/buzz-most-reports-say-no-to-k-rod/#comment-377974 zen Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:15:34 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/27/buzz-most-reports-say-no-to-k-rod/#comment-377974 sny, new stadium, jacked up tickets prices in a bad economy...the wilpons still go at it on the cheap for free agent. sign k-rod sny, new stadium, jacked up tickets prices in a bad economy…the wilpons still go at it on the cheap for free agent.

sign k-rod

]]> By: 4JoeOrsulak http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/27/buzz-most-reports-say-no-to-k-rod/#comment-377968 4JoeOrsulak Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:07:13 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/27/buzz-most-reports-say-no-to-k-rod/#comment-377968 Kingman is contradicting himself. He states that trading Beltran would be foolish because Bucholz is unproven, but he also says that the Red Sox would be foolish to trade Bucholz for Beltran because of value/dollar and he's a top prospect. In other words both teams sacrifice one thing for another. If the Red Sox are concerned with money, I would be glad to take Coco Crisp off their hands. I am fully aware that Beltran's production is impossible to replace, but let's not forget that Beltran's contract ends in three years, precisely when his decline begins, and we are going to have to replace him eventually anyway. He is at a high point in his value as he is a bargain for three more years and you could get a lot for him. If you keep him, you limit yourself to a three year horizon and you get nothing for him except a draft pick. In other words, Wright and Reyes have 8 years left, but they are now approaching their paydays. We now have to think about building young around them instead of surrounding them with veterans. Kingman is contradicting himself. He states that trading Beltran would be foolish because Bucholz is unproven, but he also says that the Red Sox would be foolish to trade Bucholz for Beltran because of value/dollar and he’s a top prospect. In other words both teams sacrifice one thing for another. If the Red Sox are concerned with money, I would be glad to take Coco Crisp off their hands.

I am fully aware that Beltran’s production is impossible to replace, but let’s not forget that Beltran’s contract ends in three years, precisely when his decline begins, and we are going to have to replace him eventually anyway. He is at a high point in his value as he is a bargain for three more years and you could get a lot for him. If you keep him, you limit yourself to a three year horizon and you get nothing for him except a draft pick.

In other words, Wright and Reyes have 8 years left, but they are now approaching their paydays. We now have to think about building young around them instead of surrounding them with veterans.

]]> By: 4JoeOrsulak http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/27/buzz-most-reports-say-no-to-k-rod/#comment-377966 4JoeOrsulak Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:59:18 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/27/buzz-most-reports-say-no-to-k-rod/#comment-377966 Even if Price and Kershaw have better stuff--and that's debatable--Bucholz is right with them at the top of the list, and he can be bought much lower than either. Price, for one, isn't going anywhere and we have nothing to offer the Dodgers that they need. The Sox, on the other hand, are a big market team that is a perpetual contender, has a very deep and reliable farm system (look at how Hanley worked out, and don't sell Sanchez short just yet) and could use a Center Field upgrade. It's a good fit. Even if Price and Kershaw have better stuff–and that’s debatable–Bucholz is right with them at the top of the list, and he can be bought much lower than either. Price, for one, isn’t going anywhere and we have nothing to offer the Dodgers that they need. The Sox, on the other hand, are a big market team that is a perpetual contender, has a very deep and reliable farm system (look at how Hanley worked out, and don’t sell Sanchez short just yet) and could use a Center Field upgrade. It’s a good fit.

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