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According to Lynn Henning in the Detroit News, the Tigers may need to consider trading OF Magglio Ordonez, something the team is not in favor of doing.
“A more realistic possibility,” writes Hemming, “is the Tigers would agree to absorb some of Ordonez’s remaining money if they could gain a reliever, shortstop or catcher in return.”
The 35–year-old Ordonez will earn $18 million next season.
His $15 million club option for 2010 and 2011 are guaranteed if he plays in a certain number of games in 2009, otherwise he can be bought out of his contract for $3 million after next season.
…assuming the Mets look to left field as a way to upgrade the offense, if they are unable to sign Manny Ramirez, or trade for Matt Holliday, or sign a less-expensive free agent, ordonez could be a decent option, considering players like Raul Ibanez and Adam Dunn will likely sign a three-year deal anyway…i’m not sure magglio makes a whole lot of sense, given the history of his knees, the National League, etc., but he is an option worth keeping an eye on, though i would probably prefer dunn in this scenario…
Ordonez hit over .298 and at least 20 HR with at least 100 RBI, while playing in at least 146 games, during each of the last three seasons for Detroit.
…thanks to Jordan M for the link…
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I would only consider him if he was cheap. However, I think the Tigers would want Maine and/or Pelfrey in the deal.
No, I am done with over 35 players with bloated contracts.
without steroids, the playtime for these players and the quality of defense diminishes exponentially. A decent bat while on the field, does not make up for this. (See Alou Mets circa. 2007 and 2008, and his contact was tolerable).
Lets stick with Yutes.
I agree with Mr Gambini. Though I loved Alou’s automatic hits, we didn’t get to see those hits come enough due to injury, and his fielding had left much to be desired.
Why don’t we just go out and get Joey Gallo … or is it Callo?
Uh, two hwhat? Uh, did you say yutes? What’s a yute?
No! He’s like 35! He’s done! No defense!
manny has no defense…
But Manny is a better hitter, by a pretty wide margin. It’s actually not even close.
He’s done? Look at his stats the last two years. He was the 2nd best hitter in the AL in 2007 and was good again this year.
His defense is not great. However, Comerica has a huge RF. He’d probably take over LF if he came to the Mets. Another thing is that the other options such as Dunn, Burrell, and Rivera are not much better defensively. Ordonez is a superior hitter to all of them.
35 is the new 45.
Since fewer players are taking steroids and amphedimines,
age is becoming a bigger factor than it’s been the last 10
years.
Players will no longer have their skills into their 40’s.
37 or 38 year olds will be used up and will not be able to keep up.
Giving a player a contract that extends past his 37th birthday
is now a bad idea.
Here’s our draft report card from baseball america:
Best Pure Hitter: The Mets’ top two selections, 1B Ike Davis (1) and SS Reese Havens (1), went in the first 22 picks due to their offensive potential. Both have quick bats and hand-eye coordination that allow them to get the barrel to the ball consistently when they’re going well. >> Best Power Hitter: Davis didn’t homer as a pro but showed above-average juice at Arizona State once he learned to incorporate his lower half more into his swing. OF Sean Ratliff (4) has contact issues but tremendous raw power due to quick hands and excellent strength. At 6-foot-6, 250 pounds, Jeff Flagg (27) has huge strength and well-above-average raw power. >> Fastest Runner: Ratliff and OF Kirk Niewenhuis (3) both run a tick above-average, with Niewenhuis’ speed playing better on the bases and in the outfield. >> Best Defensive Player: Davis pitched and played some right field at Arizona State, but he excels at first base, with a strong arm and sound actions. Niewenhuis could be an average center fielder or above-average on the corners, featuring a strong throwing arm.
PITCHERS
Best Fastball: RHP Brad Holt (1s) had one of the draft’s best heaters, sitting in the 93-96 mph range on a downhill plane with good life, and he throws it enough to have developed solid command. >> Best Secondary Pitch: While he relies heavily on his fastball, Holt has flashed a plus, power curveball that got sharper and added depth as the year went on. RHP Kyle Allen (24) has polish and a feel for an average changeup with plus potential.
ODDS AND ENDS
Best Pro Debut: Holt led the short-season New York-Penn League in ERA (1.87) and strikeouts (96) while giving up just 43 hits in 72 innings. And he did it throwing 90 percent fastballs. RHP Scott Shaw (16) gave the Cyclones a second consistent starter, going 6-3, 2.80 after posting a career 6.78 ERA in three seasons at Illinois. >> Best Athlete: OF Javier Rodriguez (2) was the first player picked out of Puerto Rico this year due to his lean, athletic body, raw power and above-average speed. >> Most Intriguing Background: Davis’ father Ron, a righthander, spent parts of 11 seasons in the majors, primarily with the Twins and Yankees. >> Closest To The Majors: Holt’s combination of fastball velocity and command will put him on the fast track. >> Best Late-Round Pick: Allen has an average fastball and potential for an average slider to go with his change and savvy. Shaw has excellent size at 6-foot-5, 225 pounds and solid-average stuff across the board, and his confidence grew with a taste of success. >> The One Who Got Away: OF Neil Medchill (33) returned to Oklahoma after a strong summer in the California Collegiate League, showing right-field tools including a plus arm and raw power.
QUICK TAKE
Holt’s blazing start offset disappointing debuts by Ike Davis (no homers) and Havens (arm soreness precluded him from playing a position). The Mets didn’t go over slot and will have to hit with some of their darkhorses to produce depth behind their top picks.
This is subscriber information. It’s like burning music from napster – totally uncool. A summary is nice, a paraphrase acceptable, but a complete copy and paste? Matt should pull this immediately. it’s the right thing to do.
In this case Baseball America would probably like the post — I doubt anyone would have subscribed just to find Ike’s info, however now seeing what they have to offer I am intrigued to subscribe. If he kept doing it or kept files of them and had them accessible in some way, then very uncool.
I have also bought many CD’s online after first listening to one song I burned off limewire. It goes both ways.
Napster used to be way cool.
Hah…napster. Mannn, you’re livin’ in the 90’s!
Been alive to long to know what decade it is…
Wow.. lighten up dude.
thanks ewm for the info
Niewenhuis has a chance to be good if his stick develops. I really like his tools.
Did Magglio ever play for the Expos?
I don’t think Omar will trade for him otherwise.
I think he once had a layover in Montreal.
No to Mags…but a Tigers player I would not mind is Placido Polanco.
Well, if Ordonez is only guaranteed money for 2009 (someone posted earlier thread that 2010 is a club option?), I say kick the tires on him. If, of course, he doesn’t require too much talent back (ie a salary dump).
Yeah, I have sworn off old guys in the OF, but he doesn’t have Alou’s injury histroy, and it should still be better than 4 years of Manny!
For 1 year what the heck. It shores up LF, adds a RH power bat to the middle of the line up, and gives F mart (if still here) a full year to get ready.
And if you don’t want him back, pay the buyout and move on.
The man can still hit, and LF isn’t near as hard to play as RF.
My understanding is that the options kick in based on playing time. If he gets hurt, your stuck for a year. If he performs well, then you don’t mind the last 2 years
I don’t think you kick the tires on someone that is owed 18MM this year.
Sorry for the double post, but if you’re going to spend 18MM on Magglio this year, plus 15MM next year – why not just go out and sign Manny for 4 years and 18-20 per?
I would forget Ordonez and try and swing Gullien and Polanco. I am sure they would unload Gullien’s contract. He can play 1B, 3B, and OF and is a decent hitter. Polanco would be a great 2B. I don’t think it would take that much. Maybe some of the bullpen castoffs, Carp and Evans?
no thanks.
we don’t need another older player ready to decline unless it’s two years for manny
stop pursuing aging players. and counting on them to perform. we’ve done that enough already