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Eligible players have 15 days, starting tonight at midnight, to declare whether they’ll be a free agent, such as Oliver Perez and Pedro Martinez.
Free agents can negotiate and sign with other teams starting on November 14.
In a recent report for MLB.com, Marty Noble says the Mets will entertain re-signing Perez, ‘so long as the asking price of agent Scott Boras is what the club considers reasonable.’
According to Noble, “The club will treat Perez as it does almost any free agent; that is it will establish a sense of his value and then not go beyond what it considers appropriate.”
…as for Pedro Martinez, who will also be a free agent, i think it’s pretty clear the Mets will not be bringing him back, since they did not retain bullpen coach Guy Conti…
…the Mets need to change over the roster…even if pedro is willing to return at a discount and be a fifth starter, and i’m not sure why he would, i’d probably pass…it’s time to move on…not just from him, but from a lot of players…
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3 Years, 36 Million with a club option for a 4th year and 5th year at 15 million each.
then trade him!
Ah, but Ollie is not like another FA. Being a type A, they effectively give up the 2 draft picks (the ones they don’t get if he leaves) for him. Same as if they sign a type A.
It would be good if he left, they get the picks, and they sign a type B that can actually pitch deep into games. Maybe be just a tad more consistent!
In theory I agree, you get two picks and a more steady pitcher at the same price. But unless you are talking about Jon Garland — an innings eater who is only 28 — you are looking at Randy Wolf or Paul Byrd or worse. The fact is, Perez is a Type A FA for a reason — he is better than the Type Bs.
Also, the thing that is intriguing about OP is that he has still not hit his proverbial ceiling. And here’s my take — the thing that holds him back most is between his ears, and a lot of ballplayers start to change when they hit the upper 20s — they gain wisdom. I read he is getting married in December, and just maybe he grows up and stops pitching like a grade schooler trying to impress his friends, and improves even more. The more consistent options to replace him have all hit their ceilings.
I don’t think it’s just mental. He just has too high of a pitch count to be a dominant starter.
Yeah, his control is all over the place, so he doesn’t consistently throw strikes enough (except for the days when he is on top of his game). This is probably because his mechanics are not consistent.
because he tries to strike out too many guys.
I don’t expect him to be a dominant starter. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect that he is more suited to be a #2 pitcher next year than is John Maine, Jon Niese, or Mike Pelfrey.
The fact is, against our toughest competition, Ollie has pitched very well. I think he should come back at 3-4 yrs at $12MM per season. I think it’s pretty much a bargain basement deal for a left-handed starter entering his prime. We can always get that innings eater (Lowe) to fill out the rotation. I think Ollie must stay.
Funny that you call Lowe an innings eater but all most any stat that counts he is ahead of Ollie. Lowe is just a better pitcher than Ollie. If I had to chose I would pick Lowe easily.
And yes Ollie steps up against some of the better teams. But what about when he cost us two games against the Nationals by stinking up the joint in his game and then costing us the next game because the pen is too tired to perform?
I don’t think he’ll ever be consistant enough to be dominate but if the Mets can get him on a 3 year deal, I’d think about it. I just think there are going to be teams willing to give Perez more and I don’t think the Mets want to go that far with a guy that’s not really deserving of anything more.
Ollie will get a 5 year deal. Count on it.
I am not too worried about the fact that if we sign a type A guy besides him we will lose the picks. That’s almost a given anyway that we are going to sign 1 type A FA.
I would offer him arbitration and sign Garland who I believe is going to be a type B. That would net us two picks. Then if we sign a guy like Krod it’s a wash.
The other way around if we resigned Perez and signed Krod then we lose 2 picks.
Do I have this right or is it too early in the morning?
I like Ollie but he is just so inconsistant. Not to mention that he kills the bullpen. He’s not really getting any “better”. In fact he took a step back last season in some ways. He is what he is, a high K’s pitcher that only pitches 5 1/2 innings. I would rather have Garland who has a similar ERA but pitches deeper into a game. No he can’t SO as many but in the end it’s the quality start and the ability to go 6 with a decent ERA that matters.
Garland and Perez pitched similar innings this year, when you consider Ollie was once removed in the first inning (which falls into a different category than going deep into games due to pitch count). That second issue is a concern, however as for innings, Garland has averaged an 8 inning decrease in innings over the last 4 yrs, dropping every year.
Jon Garland in his lowest output of innings pitched since he became a fulltime starter still pitched more innings than Oliver Perez EVER has.
Take a look at this.
Garland’s averages per start
2004 6 1/2
2005 6 2/3
2006 6 1/2
2007 6 1/2
2008 6 1/3
Perez on has 2 seasons in his career that he has averaged 6 innings. Last year in his career year he only averaged 6 1/3 innings.
If you are saying that Perez has better stuff? No doubt. Garland however has two things going for him that Perez does not. He is consistant and is a type B.
Case closed to me.
What will take for this team to grow a set and fight back, instead of crawling away under a rock and loosers? Loosing game 7 and watching the Cards win it all in 2006 was NOT enough, Jimmy Rollins and the team to beat stuff and loosing the final game to the Marlins was NOT enough and loosing to the Marlins again in 2008 and watching the Phillies win the WS will that be enough? Hearing about all the NL East teams that hate the METS and enjoy beating them is NOT enough. The Phillies made it in 2007 and won it all in 2008 and what did the METS do nothing. WAKE UP!! GROW A PAIR and let the baseball do the talking for you , WIN !!!!! LETS GO METS !!!!
Or we could grow a bullpen; that might help too.
Speaking of “growing”………bring back the bullpen garden!!! At least those bullpens we had when Johnny Franco was tending to the tomato plants was semi-effective, which is a lot more than I can say for the sad bunch we have out there now.
Yes! They had that garden at least back in the early 70s, when coach Joe Pignatano I think it was tended it when Yogi led us to game 7 in 1973!
I was only 3 in 69, but I wonder if it was there then….
Yeah, Franco always made it interesting, but got the job done for the most part. The guys now make it interesting, and then put the game out of reach.
oh yes my young one; the tomatoes were out there in 1969!
How about Lidge doing his Jesse Orosco imitation and the banners hanging “ya gotta believe” and Jimmy dancin’ around and the champagne goggles…were have I seen all this before?
Second city, indeed…
Thanks for the 1969 tomato verification for this childlike 42 year old!
And how about the Phaillies fans booing when they offered congratulations to the Rays on the on-field celebration? They are about 28th city….
Everybody on this site will agree this team needs to grow a pair. Again, remember 1986! The league hated this team…did they care? Not one bit! They played with intensity. And look where it got them! I want that team. Not the team that does not take criticsm. Let your naysayers speak! Who cares? What matters is the amount f “W”’s in that column!
I hate to say it, but it seems like my beloved Mets are a bunch of premadonnas.
a bunch of pat benatars?
I can’t believe 70% of fans so far want Ollie back for 3 years!
The guy had a 4.22 ERA and averaged 5 2/3 innings per start.
This is a guy you want to sign for big bucks to be on your team for the next 3 years!?!?
I voted no and I agree.
Ollie also seems like a clas sic case of a guy who, once he got his big payday, would be even MORE erratic.
Bye bye Ollie and thanks for some good memories.
CC!!
Agreed.
His stats are not good enough to go for such a big salary that he and his agent are going for.
After all, those salaries are the reason why it cost so much to see a game.
But if they did go all the way then it would be OK, but Perez is not doing his end of the job to get them there.
Hopefully they will replace the two starters, and pen that will bring them to the Promised Land.
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Bye bye Ollie! Thanks for the 2 picks!
I used to be a big fan of resigning him, but looking more at his stats I want absolutely nothing to do with him next year. He basically had one insane month and then went back to being terrible. He can take his 100 some walks somewhere else next year, I’ll gladly take the draft picks.
I just looked at his stats too and I didn’t realize how many walks he surrendered. 105 in 194 innings? That is dreadful.
Not to mention never pitching 8 innings even once.
A bullpen is only as good as the starters in front of it. If a guy can’t get through the sixth, the bullpen is going to put in some work. two games in a row, and the pen is hurting. three games in a row, you could feel the waves for 4-5 days.
Replace Ollie with CC and don’t make another move in the bullpen and their ERA will drop half a run. Thta is a lot of games where we would win.
Omar & Jerry: take a page from Donnie & Mike – you don’t have to play a guy because he makes a lot of money.
The Knicks looked like the Mets for a while, Build a big league by being aggressive, and then sit back and play prevent offense. At least Nate was able to close. If you have a 20 point lead in the 4th, why are they working the clock? 7 seconds or less all day.
Sit back and watch the non-tender wire. I bet there is a LF that we will be able to use in 2009.
“Replace Ollie with CC and don’t make another move in the bullpen and their ERA will drop half a run”
YES!!!!!!!!!
We are onto something here….
But let’s not compare us to the Knicks (full disclosure–I am a Nets fan)—we did finish 2nd the last two years, while the Knicks are one of the worst teams in any sport….
3rded. If you sign CC and make a few minor bullpen moves you will see just as much difference than signing a top closer and setup man.
Go out and get CC and Garland. Sign Everyday Eddie for the pen and a couple of other Type B FA. Trade Heilman, Show and Feliciano to make room. Let Muprhy play 2B and sign Rivera to play LF. Done.
Money?
CC 22
Delgado 12
Eddie 2
Rivera 8
That’s 44 milllion and very reasonable.
Sold
our draft picks are out of the window real but i like that look for the team…
Actually it’s a wash. It’s only 1 type A FA. We would get back that by letting Ollie walk. Rivera and Eddie are type B’s at best.
I think you are wrong. Yes, it would help a bit to have another guy who could dominate and go into the 7th and 8th innings consistently, but that does not help the fact that we still struggle to close games. We all thought that Santana would help our bullpen tremendously because he’s an ace in the hole, but we were wrong. If we go out and spend money on CC and a LF, but do not address this bullpen, 2009 will be just as bad as 2007 & 2008.
Wake up, people. We NEED to address this bullpen. One pick-up (people seem to love Everyday Eddie, which sounds good to me) is not enough. We need a sure-thing closer before we need another ace in the rotation. CC helps us once every 5 games, whereas a closer can help us at least 4 or 5 games a week.
But you can do those bullpen upgrades by trade or through smaller signings. They don’t have to be big names to be effective. See Philly and Tampa Bay.
Of course Santana helped—without him, we would have finished 8–10 games out most likely.
No one is saying do nothing about the pen, we are agreeing that signing CC immediately helps things. A second Santana in the rotation immediately makes the bullpen much better rested, which can only help, especially considering how overworked and worn down everyone in the pen was by September.
A 1–2 punch of Johan and CC would be one of the best in the game in years, like Schilling/Johnson, Pedro/Schilling, Seaver/Koosman, etc. Teams win titles with 1–2 punches like that.
And like I said, CC will help this team, but not as much as we would like. Maybe its just a little bit of frustration on my part, but I’m sick and tired of chasing players we don’t necessarily need. If the Phillies winning the WS isn’t a slap in the face to everybody about fixing what needs to be fixed first and foremost, then we are in serious trouble.
As for trading for a closer, what will it cost us to do so? Say we let Ollie walk, sign CC, but have to give up guys like Niese, Murphy, & Evans in order to sign a closer. Now we need another SP, and we are out of a possible LF/2B solution for 2009. We can’t make new holes to fill old ones, guys. Don’t expect to get a guy like Lidge for what the Phillies got him for, that was highway robbery. Our best bet is the FA market.
I guess in my opinion a 1-2 punch of Johan and CC would be so good it would automatically make everything else better; I certainly could be wrong.
I would sign CC and trade any prospect except for Murphy for a closer and serious bullpen help. I would send Murphy to KC if we could get Soria, which is very unlikely. I just think that CC would be a much better use of free agent megabucks than KRod, even though CC would be much more expensive.
I think we should try and get Putz from the M’s if he is available.
you forgot Garland @ $12M..that’s $56M dude…not as reasonable…plus Rivera is garbage…plus who’s your closer?
Nice response calling a player garbage without using any stats or facts to back it up.
Not to mention look at your new rotation.
Johan, CC, Pelfrey, Garland, Maine. That’s a rotation. You have 1000+ innings from your starters there.
First I feel as they should try to start Heilman before they get rid of him.
Who knows perhaps he could be the 5th starter?
Don’t we just have to offer him arbitration to get the picks? Seems like a no lose situation.
the Rays have six frontline starters for next year… we’d be better served trying to swing a trade for Jackson or Sonnanstine or Shields… I like all those guys better than Ollie
I’d settle for Kazmir
ha, yeah because that’ll happen. As for the previous post, I don’t like Sonnanstine because he is too soft and comes up short in big situations. Jackson is the real deal, but just like Kazmir, we’d have to hold the Rays at gun point to get that guy.
get outta here … Sonanstine is a gamer all the way.. he’s not soft at all… that guy is a real pitcher … sure he had no command against philly, but that was b/c he had like 12 days off between starts… he beat the White Sox and Red Sox this post season
He has command, I will give him that. But don’t use his win over the Sox as a reason as to why we should get him…look at the cushion he had! He gives up way too many hits and I don’t think he would be able to handle NY.
And having 12 days off between starts should not affect his control that much unless he didn’t throw a simulated session between them. If that’s the case, then it’s his fault. When you are in the WS, you have to prepare like it. I think he flat out choked when the Phillies got to him early.
he had a cushion against the sox, but if i’m not mistaken he only gave up three runs and went into the 7th.
Jackson’s peripherals are pretty terrible. I don’t think he’ll be worth the rays asking price. Shields likely won’t be on the block. Idk about Sonnanstine it depends on how much they’re asking for.
Matt, have you made a conscious effort not to have anything regarding the World Series on here? I know this is METSblog but even the Mets.com page has a link to a story about the Phillies winning the World Series.
I know it hurts real bad for the Phillies to have won it all, but I am surprised that such a dedicated baseball site would continuously cover offseason moves without paying tribute to the game’s ultimate prize.
I realize they won about 12 hours ago… maybe your comments are on the way, I hope so.
i understand your point….would not be heartbroken if matt doesnt write up a piece on the phillies…
Good for them. Why should a Mets BLOG have to comment on the Phillies winning the WS? I am not angry that they won, they deserve it. Their fans on the other hand do not deserve anything. The fact that even during a celebration they take time to boo the opposing team and the commissioner sums it all up for me.
wow they did that for real??
Yes, they totally booed the Rays when a speaker mentioned what a great season they had….Philly fans really do deserve their reputation, booing even at a moment like that…and it wasn’t 5 or 6 people, it was many thousands….my uncle lives in Philly and has been a Phaillies fan for 50 years and even he could not believe it….
How bout the time they cheered when Reyes almost hurt his neck in Philly? And then they booed when he got up ok? I agree, they deserve jack sh!t. The players, however, earned it this year-unlike last season.
wow…..says alot about the fans…..i was at the obama/clinton thing that night so i didnt get to see it.
I was fine with booing Selig (and I was booing along with everyone else). Game 5 shouldn’t have started on Monday & even if it did, it should have been stopped earlier.
However, I wasn’t a fan of booing the Rays. I was actually clapping at that point (although I had to stop, due to laughter at the booing). Tampa Bay is a good, young team. If it was the Rays vs. any other NL team, I’d probably be rooting for the Rays.
Also, I’d probably agree that MetsBlog wouldn’t mention the World Series, especially when the Phillies won it. Everyone here is a baseball fan, so it’s not breaking news. And having a post about it just invites trolls. I’d be curious to see if MetsBlog had a post for the 2007 World Series (or if Phillies blogs had posts for that one either).
There is no conspiracy theory against the Phillies. What a joke. No one cares enough about them to have a conspiracy theory for them. Selig did what he thought was right. He was not going to call a game and then have it do nothing. He thought they may be able to squeeze it in. Either way, it’s not like it put one team at a disadvantage. Stop whining Phillie fans. The players, unlike you, kept their mouth shut and let their words be on the field. Good for them, screw the fans.
Being that you mentioned ‘conspiracy theory’ twice, I’m not sure if you’re actually replying to my post (as I didn’t once suggest a conspiracy or anything similar). My complaint was more from the perspective of someone who was actually at the stadium on Monday. As bad as it looked on television, it was worse in person. And the weather reports suggested as much all day long (that it would get worse as the night went on).
My thought is that Selig did what he thought was right for FOX, not for the game of baseball. If he wanted to squeeze the game in, why not move the start time up an hour?
Of course, the game 5 situation might not be reason enough to boo him, and I understand that.
So instead, I’d offer the following: Steroids (while everyone turned a blind eye, Bud was in charge), interleague baseball (nothing more than an easy way to have the Mets/Yankees, Cubs/White Sox & Angels/Dodgers play every year at the expense of a balanced schedule) and the All Star game determining home field for the World Series.
For me the baseball season ended in September. So I don’t care to read about the playoffs or world series. Also, there haven’t been any posts about the playoffs so far, so why should there be one now?
Point taken. I hadn’t really noticed if there were any playoff posts. I just thought that the lack of World Series posts was conspicuous because it happened to be the Mets recent nemesis.
I just think that Metsblog being such a credible sports site that they would be obliged to congratulate the world champions, which they did, earlier this morning.
If you don’t respect the championship, then why are you wasting your time rooting for your team to win it?
I just think it comes down to what the franchise values most. Do we think we can make the best of 2 first round draft picks(scouting wise). If we can, i believe we can improve our team via trade and type b signings. I really only see us signing a type A for starter or closer.
Don’t count Pedro out. If he offers to sign for a discount, I think the team would do it, like the Braves with Glavine. I wouldn’t mind seeing Pedro and Niese share the 5th spot behind CC, Santana, Pelfrey and Maine.
Glavine pitched like 60 innings this year. I don’t want that on this team.
Pedro would be better suited in the bullpen as a long relief pitcher. He can’t start anymore. 4.2-5 innings is not enough.
We are not going to get CC. I would love to have him but be realistic. First of all it would be an insult to Santana to go out and sign CC to even a bigger contract when Santana is better. Say what you want Santana is better then CC. The only reason CC pitched 150 pitches and all those complete games is becasue the Brewers did not care. They know there not going to be able to resign him.
Any team that signs him for 5 or 7 years at 150 million plus is not going to let him pitch on 3 days readt for the last 2 weeks of the season throwing a tone of pitches. Not going to happen.
The Mets are not going to make a hard play at CC at all.
CC will get less money this offseason than Santana got. I look for it to be inbetween Santana and Zito.
I am guessing some where around 6 for 126.
I guess you are not reading that the Yanks are ready to offer him 150 million at least
Yanks were going to go all in for Santana too. I am willing to bet that CC gets no where near that.
Garland doesn’t strike anyone out. The plus side is you don’t have to worry about his k rate eroding, the downside is it leaves so much to chance because so many balls are in play.
If he is the big addition to the rotation this offseason, we’re in trouble.
But Garland also doesn’t walk people. So in order to score runs off him, the opposing team has to string together a lot of hits. Whereas Olllie hands out walks to load the bases, and then a double can clear them. The result? 3 runs on 1 hit.
Who cares about SO’s? It is not the most important thing for a starter. Innings and quality starts are (not the MLB definition but 6+ innings and 3 or less runs.) Look back and see who does that the most.
TRS, K rate is one of the most looked at “SABR” stats for pitchers, which is probably where Telgheder is coming from. Basically, the theory says that the more strikeouts you get, the less likely you are to be subject to any kind of luck, particularly bad luck… duck snorts, seeing eye grounders, etc.
I’m not trying to be condescending, just informing since you don’t like a lot of the SABR things.
Garland is only meh in my opinion.
Garland is a slight step below Perez but is a type B FA. Those two things combined make it an easy decision for me. Also, I would think that WHIP would be much more telling than K rate.
The problem with WHIP is that it (in theory) varies from year to year based on said luck.
I like Garland for the facts you mention: type B, will likely be less money, etc.
But the last “innings eater” that came to the NL from the AL was Joe Blanton. And he didn’t exactly “eat innings,” because suddenly he has to bat every 2 innings. So when he pitches kinda bad, like 5 IP 4 ER, he doesn’t get to stay in the game to eat innings any more.
This team needs to get younger and start rebuilding its farm team to develop future David Wrights, Jose Reyes, Mike Pelfreys, etc.
The Mets are too often desperate and tend to buy high and sell low. They are like people who cash out their 401Ks when the market crashes, only to see the value of what they sold begin to skyrocket. Though it didn’t appear to them this year, I think the Yankees have the right idea of holding onto their farm studs whose value will rise, instead of trading for stars that have already peaked and are on their way down.
BTW, I noticed that the Braves, Phillies and Marlins have all won World Series championships since the Mets won their last one in 1986. If they are not careful, the Nationals will build a championship team before the Mets do.
I think Omar made a statement when he refused to part ways with F-Mart, Niese, Kunz, Murphy, and just about every other young prospect we have. He is doing the right thing, although about 90% of rabid fans on here want his head. We have a solid future ahead of us if we just hang on to the chips we’ve got.
On the other hand, now is also the time where we need to sign a big FA closer. Any trade that will cost us a ton, however, I think should be avoided because our system was already raped last season in order to bring in Santana.
You are kidding about are system being “raped” last season to bring in Johan. Come on we gave up nothing to get him. Gomez is decent but the Mets proved we did not need him we had Murphy and Evans and F-Mart, Humber wont be anything …. the one pitcher is only 18 or 19 so you don’t no yet but come on we got Johan for nothing at all and are system did not suffer for it at all.
For what we got, yes it was a steal. But any time you give of four of your best prospects you are in essence “raping” your farm system. Very seldom do you see a team give up that many prospects, all of which are highly regarded. I won’t argue that the deal was bad, because it wasn’t. It was a steal and a half, but it still left us down four prospects either way you look at it.
If you’re gonna sit here and tell me that Murphy and Evans were ranked higher in our system than Gomez, Humber, Mulvey, and Guerra even, you’re nuts.
I would like to see Ollie back. I mean Santana, Big Pelf, Ollie, Maine. That is a solid starting 4 and there all in there 20’s.
Then if your the Mets you are allot more flexible to do a few things instead of having to go out and get 2 starting pitchers you only need a number five starter.
That gives them more flexibility if they have to trade Neise for a closer or bullpen help.
They can use Neise as the number 5 starter next year if they want and give him a month or two to see what he can do. Kind of like Big Pelf this year. Let him just go out and pitch without the pressure of if I do bad this start I am not going to get another one.
They could also still then sign a Derek Lowe type for the back end of the rotation and again either trade Neise if needed or start him in triple A or even Move Maine to the bullpen which personally I don’t want to see I want him in the rotation. The guy won 15 games a year ago and this year who knows how long he was even hurting before he said something. That could be why he did not pitch the way he did in 2007.
But I want Ollie back but not at 15 – 17 million a year which Boras will try to get him. I would not be against a 3 or 4 year deal for even 12 or 13 million a year. He has the goods and really responded well to Dan Warthon when he became pitching coach.
Side not I hate the Phillies but you got to give it up to them. It is not an easy thing to get to the playoffs which the Mets keep proving and then to win it all even though I hate them hey its tuff to do. Hopefully we knock them off next year for the division and kill there playoff chances just like they did to us after 2006.
No we won’t
Not with a Reyes-Wright team we never will
Ha. Reyes and Wright were not the problem. Heilman, Sanchez, Feliciano, Schoeneweis, etc. were the problem. You take away Reyes and Wright and this team is lucky to win 60 games.
Good to see everybody recognizing what needs to be done here.
Then you better start rooting for the Yankees.
1) LOWE IS BETTER THAN PEREZ. You won’t be signing him for the BACK of the rotation.
2) PEREZ ACTUALLY COST US PICKS BY SIGNING HIM. He is a type A FA. Yes we don’t lose anything by JUST signing him, however, if we sign another type A FA then we lose our picks. If you let him walk and offer him arbitration and sign a guy like Garland you get to pick another type A FA and not lose any picks.
I agree with a lot of what you said, but what’s the point of picking up draft picks when nobody on here believes in building the farm system? We’ve traded enough young talent for washed up has-beens.
You’re right. I think we let him walk, take the draft picks, and start worrying more about 2009-2012 instead of just 2009.
Lowe is going to want just as much as Ollie and if it was up to me I would go with the youth in Ollie. The guy is only going to get better and he is a big game pitcher he has proven that.
I rather have Ollie then let him go for 2 draft picks. Derek Lowe wont cost us draft picks? Why is that?
We get them back for letting Perez walk. Keep Perez and sign another type A and we lose the picks.
If the Mets are only going to sign 1 type A FA do you want it to be Perez?
Oliver Perez over a 3 year span will be better than Derek Lowe.
There is this myth that Lowe pitches deeper into games. Sure Lowe pitched more innings than Perez, but that averages out to about an extra out per start.
Is that worth giving a 35 year old a 3 year contract? NO! Stop relying on old players.
Actually he averages almost 2 extra outs per game.
And his ERA was a full run lower than Ollie’s last year.
Yeah that is because Ollie got off to that terrible start last season.
That older player that you are refering too has done nothing but get better the last few years.
Look at Lowe’s WHIP. It’s 1.13, Perez’s is 1.40. That’s a huge difference. And are you really going to tell me that those 2 outs that Lowe provides instead of blowing up in the 6th inning? Lowe actually makes it well into the 7th inning. With our pen that would have been huge.
Derek Lowe is 35. To the carnival with him!
CC is 28. How can you go wrong?
He’s fat and will break down….
I’m just guessing.
About him breaking down…..not about him being fat……no guessing needed there.
I think it’s unrealistic to expect Omar to turn plug all the holes on this team in 1 winter and still maintain the structure of a team that will compete for many years.
Fix the pen the best you can both internally and via trades/FA. Get a true OFer who can help the lineup and isn’t likely to spend most of the year on the DL. Let Murphy play 2nd base.
The starting pitching chips will fall all over the place. In the end, Perez (because of his age and relative good health) will probably be the best realistic short and long term investment of anyone out there.
Go to war and see if a full year with Manuel, a new pen, and a “less old” team can get the job done.
smartest reply of the day so far.
yeah but they must be a philly fan if their moniker is yagottabelieve (only kidding)…god i cant wait for next season…my masochism knows no bounds….
Can someone clarify the Pedro- Guy Conti relationship for me…to me it didn’t make any sense
I think Conti was Pedro’s coach or manager in like A ball at the beginning of his career and he has known him forever…pretty sure that is it….
awww. isn’t that special?
thats one sign the mets are moving in the right direction
Id keep Ollie for a bargian and platoon Pedro/Niese only if we get Pedro for a bargen as well, Trade Castillo for some bullpen players and sign Dan Uggla for second base, and try to sign Manny at left or trade for Holliday . as far as our closer goes, i would try to promote kunz or give heilman a shot.
* Hey the fact is Ollie isn’t terrible. Probably not type A material but it’s because of the weak FA market. The only problem is he is inconsistent.
He had only 4 stinkers in 08 and if u minus two of the better stinkers(to be fair) he would go from
5.71 inn./ GS to 5.83 inn./GS. I would sign up for that if the price is reasoable(10 – 12 mil/ yr. for 3 -4 yr).
Otherwise it is a great steal of two higher picks for a pitcher never ot reach his full potential.