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According to the Daily News, the agent for free-agent RHP Brian Fuentes told reporters that he will meet with Mets GM Omar Minaya during this week’s GM Meetings in California.
By the way, the same agent also represents free-agent RHP David Weathers, LHP Arthur Rhodes and Tom Gordon.
The agent told reporters, regarding Fuentes, ‘New York is on our radar…I think he would be great there, he really thrives under pressure.”
However, in the New York Post, Joel Sherman writes, “The market for Fuentes is expected to be intense, with the Cardinals, Brewers, Indians and Angels among the clubs competing against the Mets.”
…the early buzz surrounding Francisco Rodriguez suggests he is capable of landing a five-year, $70 million contract…
…meanwhile, fuentes could get a guaranteed four-year deal, worth roughly $12 million per season…
According to Sherman, the Mets would like to speak about RHP Huston Street with the A’s, who may be more interested in working with the Indians, Rockies and Brewers, ‘all teams that have inquired on Street.’
…from what i can gather, the Mets are capable of acquiring RHP J.J. Putz from the Mariners, who are interested in working with the Mets…however, such a trade could mean giving up talent from the major-league roster, thus creating new holes to fill…
So, let’s assume the Mets are unable to trade for a closer…
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Fuentes was demoted twice in two years…and we want this guy because what?
If I am correct, both of these guys are Type A….it makes absolutely no sense to go after Fuentes and not K-Rod…
agreed. If you have to sign one of these guys, both are type A and krod is like what 22 mil more than fuentes…dont cheap out and make the most out of your lost pick and go for krod..
I doubt it will be only 22 mln less, but even if it is that amount , it can go toward a set-up man or another bat. I think if the price for Fuentes gets bid-up, it can only help K-Rod’s asking price. Overall, I would rather sign Fuentes for 3 years than K-Rod for 5.
So now the Mets are worried about an extra 3-5 million per season?
i was using the figures that matt put on this thread. Fuentes making 12 mil over 4yrs is 48mil. Krod (according to matts info) can get 5yrs 70 mil so yea the diff is 22 mil total and about 2 mil extra a year for krod. Krod is younger by ALOT remember that. Remember also the thread said if we HAVE to sign one of these guys. If thats the choice and they are both type A…id rather pay an extra 2mil on krod than fuentes..but thats my opinion.
Someone’s math is wrong here. If you sign Fuentes for 3 years and 40 mln and K-Rod for 5 years 80 mln, that’s a big difference. We would be on the hook for Johan and Krod for about 40 mln a year 4 and 5 years from now. Do we really want all that long term money caught up in 2 pitchers? Johan is an exception but history shows it gets messy when you throw 5 yr contracts out to pitchers. Look at what happened with Wags. While he is older than K-Rod, KRod already has 5 years of wear and tear on that arm with decreasing velocity.
again i guess ill put this in caps as people seem to not be able to read it
USING THE FIGURES MATT POSTED IN THE THREAD
now you got to read carefully because matt got tricky with the wording
“meanwhile, fuentes could get a guaranteed four-year deal, worth roughly $12 million per season”
-4 years @ 12 mil per year = 48 million total
“the early buzz surrounding Francisco Rodriguez suggests he is capable of landing a five-year, $70 million contract”
-5 years @ __ per year= 70 million total
70/5=14
so what matt is really saying for krod
-5 years @ 14 per year= 70 million total
krod 14 million per
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fuen 12 million per
_____
2 mill differance
again this is using matts figures not what people are estimating….
While he was demoted twice, last year he did the job however. Good timing on his part. Did he turn the corner? Or will he revert back? Who knows.
Have you looked at his numbers that he put up in Coors? The are friggen spectacular
I know. And his splits are great too. Lefties hit .184 against him and righties .211. If we get him, I hope he can be that good for years to come.
Playing in Colorado is VERY different than playing under the spotlight of New York City.
yeah its about a mile lower….
Also.. everyone stop saying he got demoted twice.. he get demoted last year in 07.. beat out Corpas early on in 08.. and got put on the BEARVEMENT LIST… when he “got demoted” again..
he had a great 08 season.
And he could have been had for Heilman and Show during December. Fact is closers like him are available every year through trade. No need to pay him like an elite just because he is one few available.
Really like who?
His numbers are way better then Putz or Street…
And there is no way we’re not signing at least one Type A free agent this off season.. so whatever.. Maybe Ollie balances us out who knows…
But if we can use our dollars for a guy.. and save some of our young guys.. fine by me.
“But if we can use our dollars for a guy.. and save some of our young guys.. fine by me.”
-this line confuses me…what do you mean by this?
I agree with stillthewn, I’d much rather have Fuentes for 3 years than K-rod for 5 considering the money differences, and considering K-rod’s motion and injury chances. I really don’t think the difference between them as pitchers is that big.
For once I’m saying we could not trade our young guys.. and instead use our bank account to plug a hole…
That’s all I’m saying…
People act like it’s their money when the mets talk payroll… for what Fuentes wants for 3 (36) years.. is a little less then we septn on Pedro, Alou and El Duque for 1 year last year (30 mill)
3 years. 12 mill for Fuentes? Done
gina…its 2 mil differance….
Agree to disagree, Fuentes is old and wanting 12 a year. Krod is young and wanting 15 a year. Do you really think 3 million will persuade the Mets to go with the older guy?
It’s the length of the deal that I think is the difference..
And let’s face it.. K Rod has a lot of miles on those tires…
and fuentes thats 7 years older doesnt….
1-2 years for a guy 5 years younger? Again, I think Krod gets 4/60 with a 5th year option for 20 million with a 5 million buyout.
His pitching motion? What makes you a pitching expert where you can sit here and say I don’t want him because of his pitching motion? So I guess you would not want the great Timmy in SF because of his pitching motion? You listen to those idiots like Steve Phillips on baseball tonight way to much
AGREED with therealsince86 ,its not that iwant K-rod but lets be realistic weare in great need of a closer and the best closer in the planet is available, sorry man but the destiny is calling !
I don’t even know why this should be a debate. The Mets have been horrible two straight years in Sept. and a lot has to do with the pen. Why is there a debate on Fuentes or K-Rod? The Mets should man up and open the check book. Go after both of them cause just one won’t fix anything.
This is brilliant here. Yeah, man up, that’s the ticket! While were at it, lets sign Manny, Tex and CC as well. Heck, it’s only a little extra money!!
Hello, my name is Earth, have we met?
There…I voted today!
*clap clap clap*
sign Fuentes, then trade for Betancourt and call up Parnell.
Sign K-Rod, then get Beimel and trade for a right handed middle relief power arm. I wonder what the asking price would be for Rodney from Detroit. Even pay a premium because they are worth premium talent.
POWER ARMS, great point TA09! We have had too many pitch to contact types. Look at the Cubs with Wood, Marmol and Samraklcjkldsjfueiurja (Smith).
Thanks. I thought it was fairly obvious.
Rays: Balfour, Price
Phillies: Madson, Lidge (barf)
Dodgers: Broxton, Kuo
Red Sox: Papelbon
Angels: Aredondo, K-Rod, Shields
Cubs: Marmol, Wood, Szasdrjlaadsfkjdia
I’m probably missing some, but you get the point. That’s not to say the only way to build a bullpen is to have power arms, but look at these bullpen arms. We really only had Wags.
Power arms aren’t the only way, agree, but we need SOME. Heilman was supposed to be that guy (maybe?) but no one else can just blow it by you. Stokes showed some of that, but he started to get figured out toward the end. Parnell showed some of that but he wasn’t used at all.
You remove a lot of the luck factor if the ball isn’t put in play.
Heilman was throwing 95 at times, but he was missing that 2nd pitch, usually a devastating slider. I don’t know why he all but gave up on his changeup. It was very effective for him in the past.
I remember Hielman topping out at 97 a few times, but for some reason, that fastball was very hittable.
We should trade Luis Castillo and Dylan Owen for Javier Vazquez, sign Joe Beimel , K-Rod(for me he is already a met).
Santana
Pelfrey
Maine
Vazquez
Niese
bullpen:
K-rod
Beimel
Parnell
Smith
Ayala
Sanchez
Feliciano
Fuentes will NOT sign right away. Your post is misleading, Matt.
In fact, Fuentes, for intents and purposes has MORE suitors than K-Rod because he’s demanding less years AND less money. Sherman said Fuentes will be HIGHLY SOUGHT after for those 2 reasons and might bump his value even further. Some are also speculating the LACK of suitors for K-Rod will lower his value and years…
So let’s recap:
Fuentes (33 years old playing the pleasant confines of Coors Field) most likely getting a 4-yr. deal in the $12-13M range.
OR
K-Rod (26 years old, playing in the 2nd biggest sports market while at the same time shattering the single-season saves record) who will get 4-5 yr. deal in the $14M range.
Fuentes will be 37 at the end of his contract while K-Rod will have JUST turned 30.
Hmmmm……so hard……
NOT!
I would expect Krod to get 15-17 million but every thing else is spot on.
How do you figure? Who else OTHER than the Mets are willing to pay even $15M/year for a closer?
Omar is playing this right (close to his chest), exploring alternatives knowing no one else will meet K-Rod’s demands…
agreed. With omar leaking about trade possibilities, its putting omar in the drivers seat for negotiations.
Exactly, usually Matt is on top of things but I think he is missing this one.
The Mets major target this offseason is Krod.
BTW, Matt.
I love how your neutrality skews the two by totalling K-Rod’s salary while depicting Fuentes’ salary year by year…
“…the early buzz surrounding Francisco Rodriguez suggests he is capable of landing a five-year, $70 million contract…
…meanwhile, fuentes could get a guaranteed four-year deal, worth roughly $12 million per season…”
** That’s a $2M difference, Matt!
For a 6-year age disparity, that’s telling in and of itself.
I was thinking the exact same thing. Seems as Matt has an agenda on this one. Good for him, but don’t be fooled. If the Mets wanted Krod, 2-5 million wont stand in their way.
lol thats why i broke it down in my response earlier…2mill is not going to break the bank guys…and remember this post is IF WE HAD TO SIGN ONE.
Parnell will be gone if we make a trade !
Matt,
Could you link to where you read that the Mariners are interested in working with the Mets for Putz?
I had not seen that.
GO VOTE!!!
Putz is the real deal and we all agree (right Omar?) that the make up of this team needs to CHANGE (there’s that word again). So there should be holes to fill and there should be tons of reshaping and remolding….please do not tell me we are going to find a closer and a Ollie replacement and send out this tired, uninspired group of odds and ends again as our team!
Well since Seattle wanted F-Mart plus I believe Niese or Parnell for a 2 month rental of Ibanez I’m thinking their Putz request would look something like:
F-Mart
Murphy
Niese
Flores
Parnell
Where’s the ’sign both Fuentes and K-rod’ option? Lord knows we need both…
Uh because the Mets won’t spend 30 million on 2 pitchers for the pen and Fuentes won’t agree to be a setup man?
Maybe we can trick him into being the setup man. He’ll sign the contract, then Omar will rip off his shirt and have a black t-shirt with the white letters inscribed, “N.W.O”…then the Hollywood Hogan music will turn on and K-Rod will come out wearing a matching shirt with Omar, plus a blonde mustache and painted on black beard. That would be amazing.
$42M+ if you include Wagner.
Plus we wouldn’t draft until the 3rd round.
What on Earth do the Mariners want for J.J. Putz?
I don’t see why a deal can’t be had for Huston Street either.
For once the Mets have a plethora of talent in the Major Leagues and the Minor Leagues and I find that something needs to be done about it. Use ‘em or deal ‘em.
With his age and injury history… his price has to be somewhat resonable..
But for those same reasons.. he’s far from a sure thing in the closers role.
I’d rather Fuentes or Street over Putz.
You’d guess either Schneider (they’re not happy with Jojima) or Church (they have no CF or LF, and they’re losing a LH 20+ HR, 100 RBI guy in Ibanez…
Streets peripherals declined pretty drastically this year, there’s definitely something up with him. Plus you know Beane will be asking for a pretty heft package.
Did we not learn from Billy? No more over 30 pitchers. K-Rod is young and the real deal.
Come on people, Vote for Change not more of the same!
you betcha’
K-Rod – Obama
Fuentes – McCain
:)
Come on, keep the junk off here today. Plenty of other boards for this crap.
So, you are saying Fuentes is older and has a hot wife (VP candidate) and K-Rod is younger and has a wife that is similar to Ana Benson only in that (s)he can’t hep his/her mouth shut?
In that case, let’s get Fuentes! Eye candy wins championships.
Change you can believe in.
It’s not one or the other. Why on earth if you were Fuentes would you sign BEFORE Krod. Once Krod signs you will be the only proven closer on the market.
The Mets need to throw a contract early out to Krod of 4/60 and tell him to take it or leave it. Give him until the winter meetings to decide.
Either way, we want no part in Fuentes who is just going to cash in because of the market and what Krod will get. He’s old and wants WAY too much money. Krod at the end of a 4 year contract will still be younger than Fuentes is RIGHT NOW. Again, all for 2-5 million more a season? Is that really going to be the deciding factor.
I will still go down thinking that all the interest in Fuentes is to drive Krod’s price down. Fuentes, hopefully, will not be pitching for the Mets.
I would be Krod or outside the box.
What is wrong with Fuentes?
Average closer seeking elite money just because of the market. He’s too old and wants too much money and too many years. That enough?
I wouldn’t go higher than 3yrs/$24MM for a guy that lost his closer role twice over the past 3 years.
Nope, and the fact that we could have had him for Heilman and Show.
I just don’t want another old closer. If you are going to sign him, why not spend that money, 12 million, on Cruz and Affedlt and maybe STILL have some money left over?
Fuentes (33) is too old as compared to K-Rod (27)!! This should be a no brainer to Omar. Hasnt everybody learned from the Wagner ordeal??? The difference in money shouldnt be an issue for the Mets.
i dont have a problem with fuentes. He is a fine pitcher but the thread is saying if we HAD to sign one of those guys….i believe if we HAD to sign one i would sign krod for 5 years instead of commit to 4 years of fuentes that when he is done will be 37(i believe he is 32 now)
I love how this blog tries to curb opinion on Fuentes. The Mets don’t need another mediocre bullpen arm, they need an ace. This has to be a joke right? Brian Fuentes to anchor our bullpen? Come on guys, Get you heads out of your….. Yea there’s are WS 2009 title with Ayala setting up for Fuentes. Don’t be fooled… The Mets stole your money last season jacking up ticket prices and they will do the same this season. So make them spend you money on the best possible Closer..
It does seem strange that Matt seems to be pushing Fuentes. The guy is average at best and wants elite money.
Omar must have a deal with AARP or something thats all i can figure it to be.
To be fair, Fuentes is not “average at best”. Look at his career. He has put up pretty good numbers.
Darth, while I agree that KRod >> Fuentes, keep in mind that Fuentes >> the steaming pile of monkey dung we have now. So I can understand the sentiment of “Get ANY Player In Now!”
Yes, Fuentes is better than nothing but the ” Get any player now!” motto will just harm the team down the road. Omar should be patient and offer K-Rod a reasonable contract and wait on him and focus on our other needs.
Actually I would pull a Yankee’s here. Offer him a slightly above market contract below what he is asking for. Give him until the winter meetings to accept it. At that point tell him that we would still be interested but not at that price.
Krod will fall right into our laps.
The Get any player in now idea really worked well with Castillo, right?
TRS, I was just saying I understand it. Not that I agree with it.
krod would cost 5 yr 70 mil?? thats a great deal..everyone is worried about him for some reason..i dont get it this guy is one of the top closers in the game and we can have him!! wow..fuentes is gunna cost a lot as well and hes not even close to being as good as krod
I just read on MLBtraderumors that Eckstein is marketing himself as a 2b now. What an a$$hole.
major a$$hole
Maybe an ahole but more than that just plain dumb.
lmao burned…
Can someone explain why 2 million is enough to deter us from signing someone 7 years younger?
and a heellll of alot better
…and a duaner sanchez lookalike (with a hat on, at least)
lolll he needs a dirtier hat
Yea he does. In that case, we can kill two birds with one stone and sign Kenny Rogers :-)
lolll
Do not trade for a closer. Relievers have no value whatsoever. Unless it’s for throwaway guys like Nick Evans (whom there’s no spot for) or one of the plethora of old fat catchers, do not trade for a reliever.
Take anything you can get for Heilman. Sign two closers or former closers. Fuentes and Brandon Lyon. Fuentes is our closer, Lyon or Kunz becomes the setup guy. Now if Fuentes falters, you’ve got Lyon who can close games to fill-in, or Kunz, who is supposed to be the closer of the future, to take over. Smith and Feliciano are the specialists. Find a busted or aging starter for a long man.
I have no answers for Show.
If you are going that route why not sign Lyon, Cruz and Affedlt for the same money?
KROD IS ONLY @ MILLION DOLLARS MORE!!!!!!!!! AND ONE YEAR LONGER!!!!! WHY ARE WE AVOIDING HIM!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
We are not. Omar is just trying to bring the market back. Chances are NO other team will give Krod 4/60.
i hope so
Has anyone actually looked at K-Rod’s stats over the last 4 years.
2005 – 45 SV – 2.67ERA – 91k – 1.14 whip – .184 BAA
2006 – 47 SV – 1.73ERA – 98k – 1.10 whip – . 197 BAA
2007 – 40 SV – 2.81ERA – 90K – 1.25 whip – .204 BAA
2008 – 62 SV – 2.24ERA – 77k – 1.29 whip – .216 BAA
This isn’t a guy who typically gets 1,2,3 innings. He walks on average 35 guys in 60 innings. His K/9 rate has dramatically declined over the last 3 years while his WHIP and BAA has gone up. Statistically Aaron Heilman was a better pitcher in 2007.
Not saying if your going to act quickly on the FA Closer you shouldn’t go after the top guy, cause 3-4 million a year won’t hurt you, but this guys Trends are a little uneasy to me at least. I know he just saved 62 games, but he still makes me uneasy.
I can understand the age thing but I don’t understand why so many people are claiming K-rod is the better pitcher. If you look at their peripheals Fuentes had better numbers pretty much across the board, and that was while playing in Coors.
K/9
Fuentes- 11.78
K-rod-10.14
BB/9
Fuentes- 3.16
K-rod- 4.48
K/BB
Fuentes- 3.773
K-rod- 2.26
HR/9
Fuentes- 0.43 (once again this is in Coors)
K-rod- 0.53
BAA
Fuentes-.210
K-rod- .219
WHIP
Fuentes- 1.10
K-rod- 1.29
so other than the fact K-rod had 60 saves and the media wouldnt shut up about him how was K-rod the better pitcher last year?
Gina,
Please change your name to Elias Sports Bureau
Why on earth would you base your opinions on “facts?”
Love the research, Gina. FJM would be proud.
Darn Gina, You beat me to the punch on that. Great comparison….. I get a little uneasy when you look at K-Rod’s trends…. Reminds me a lot of Armando Benitez with a worse k/9, whip and BAA.
SCARY!
Gina, how do the stats compare with prior years? This can be misleading if Fuentes is coming off his 90th %ile year. Also, what is the likelihood for dropoff for Fuentes, I’d imagine it’s higher than KRod’s.
Nevermind, looked up some stats myself (a little slower at work than I thought!).
His projected 2008 at the beginning of the year was 1.35 WHIP and 3.56 ERA. He wound up at 1.10 and 2.73, so he likely overperformed this year.
In 07 Fuentes K/9 was much lower, 8.22 but it was also much lower than his previous two years so it was more than likely that 07 was a down year, his BB/9 was 3.38 his BAA was the same and his WHIP 1.13 higher.
In 07 Krod’s K/9 was a 12.03, but I’m pretty sure his K rate changed because of the change of his motion so it would likely stay around this year’s numbers his BB/9 was 4.54 his BAA against was .208 lower and his WHIP was 1.25
Gina, check out the PECOTA ranks… he blew away the 90th percentile ranks. He’s due for a precipitous decline in 2011, when he will (likely) be under contract still.
Looking at both KRod and Fuentes for the next 4/5 years, though, made me just throw up in my mouth a little. No matter who we sign, I think we’re going to hate him by the end of his contract.
Which is why between the two of them I’d rather have less money less years. If I had my say we wouldn’t sign either.
I’ve been waiting for someone to point that out…
Well you can’t just look at the numbers without factoring context. First and foremost, is the difference in league, which would tip the scale toward K-Rod. While Fuentes’ home park is hitter happy Coors, he also gets Petco Park, Pac Bell Park, and Dodger stadium, which are very big pitchers parks. Chase field is a hitters park, but I think the park factor ends up moot.
Heres a good one – lets see Fuentes’ home/road splits:
home: 3.51era, 16-18 in saves, 33ip, 10bb/48K
away: 1.84era, 14-16 in saves, 29.1ip, 12bb/34k
To say he was successful in Coors is a clear misconception.
In addition, last season was only the second time he had an era under 3 as a closer, and 3rd overall in a 8 year career.
Fuentes is a nice option, but he really shouldn’t be compared.
honestly if you are going to build your team through free agency which i dont think is smart anyway but at this point in time our only option, you might as well sign the BEST free agents you can. SIGN KROD forget Fuentes.
I would like to see them trade for a RP …. but if comes down to them singing either Brain Fuentes or K-Rod why in the world would people want Fuentes? K-Rod is what 26 years old.
The guy is proven Fuentes lost his job a few times in Colorado of all places.
So almost the 80% of people who say grab Fuentes and ignore K-Rod would rather give a 4 year deal and overpay for an average closer at best instead of overpaying and given a 4 or 5 year deal to a proven top of the line closer who is only 26.
Wow … and these will be the same morons on here in 2009 yelling how Omar should be fired because he did not get K-Rod but instead went with Fuentes.
Question about Putz: I read on baseball-reference that he only pitched 46.1 innings this year and with mediocre stats (even for a middle reliever). Was he injured or something? Is this something to worry about?
Putz was hurt very early in the year, Rushed back, and pitched pretty well then got injured again. From there on out he was kind of ineffective.
He was injured. I don’t know for how long though but I’m pretty sure it was a significant number of games.
2 intresting notes i saw on Rotoworld this morning:
A source told the Chicago Tribune that the Mets are showing interest in Javier Vazquez.
Vazquez is getting a great deal of the blame for the White Sox’s struggles down the stretch and in the postseason, and it might be for the best if he gets another shot elsewhere. While he does have a limited no-trade clause, it’s believed to block deals only to West Coast clubs. If trade talks get serious, the White Sox will probably ask about top prospect Jon Niese and Fernando Martinez. The Mets won’t want to give up either, but the White Sox might be able to further entice them by offering to take Luis Castillo’s contract off their hands.
and
Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com reports that the Brewers are “highly unlikely” to trade Prince Fielder.
Rosenthal notes that the Brewers are also “reluctant to trade” J.J. Hardy, and may instead look to move him to second base while clearing shortstop for prospect Alcides Escobar and dealing Rickie Weeks. Fielder is under the Brewers’ control through 2011.
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What would everyone think about Ricky weeks at 2nd base. I don’t know much about him outside he’s over-hyped and has underperformed in his early career.
I like him, but think he strikes out too much. That is without looking at stats.
I think he K’s too much to bat him in the top of the line-up like the brewers do but I think he’s be useful. And since he’s always injured it’s hard to say whether he’s maxed out his potential or whether he’ll be late bloomer.
But obviously trading for him would depend on the package I wouldn’t give up a lot because of the injuries.
He is definitely useful. I just think we need a 2 hitter (if not Murphy), or someone that can extend the lineup so that Schneider isn’t batting 7th. I mean, the guy batted 8th for Washington for crying out loud.
I am still one of the people who want Murphy at 2nd base
agreed. would rather give murphy a shot at 2b than make any moves for a 2b. luis castillo can sit on the bench.
me too,
Stay away from both of them. More fun to “be creative” I would rather see someone out of the box (maybe a Parnell, or some unexpected SP or middle reliever guy) grab the job.
Besides, closer is overrated as a position.
Look at it this way. If you took the current mets pen and added K Rod, it would be worse than getting 2-3 real short relievers and no “elite” closer.
But, given a choice, Fuentes on a much shorter deal.
I also agree with this completely.
stick i enjoy reading your posts but i have to disagree on a few of your points here
“Stay away from both of them. More fun to “be creative” I would rather see someone out of the box (maybe a Parnell, or some unexpected SP or middle reliever guy) grab the job.”
-This thread was if the mets HAD to sign either fuentes or krod. Of course we should look to other options and omar im sure will try to do that.
“Besides, closer is overrated as a position”
-Why do you believe it is overrated. We had 11 arms come up in september and nobody could nail down a closer role effectivly night in and night out. Ayala was ok but im sure if we had a “closer” we would have had a better shot. I dont think without lidge the phillies could have done what they did..dont you?
“Look at it this way. If you took the current mets pen and added K Rod, it would be worse than getting 2-3 real short relievers and no “elite” closer.”
-im sure if we get krod or fuentes the mets are not going to just stop there and declare JOB DONE. So if you get krod and make some more minor moves….you work backwards. Krod or Fuentes would make fine relievers and you lock up the 9th inning with them. You can just work backwards imo from there.
“But, given a choice, Fuentes on a much shorter deal”
-using matts figures above…its a one year differance between krod and fuentes and 2 mil per year…why sell yourself short on fuentes when you can have krod for 5 years and by that time you can have a good option from the farm to take over the closing job. That way if you are still impressed by krod you can resign him and use that option from the farm to set up krod and you have 2 closers in the 8th and 9th inning or just dump krod after 5 and use your farm option at a cheaper price. Fuentes no matter what you have to cut bait with him after 4 because he would be pretty old by then and we already see how age performs on this team…..thats just my opinion.
Another update from Fox Sports:
Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com reports that Joe Beimel has been added to “the list of free-agent relievers on the Mets’ wish list.”
Rosenthal notes that the Mets are also “expected to investigate free-agent closers Francisco Rodriguez, Brian Fuentes and Kerry Wood,” but their bullpen makeover will likely involve more than just ninth-inning duties and Beimel has been an effective setup man for the past three seasons.
I think Beimel should be the first order of business. The rest of the guys aren’t going to sign any time soon.
The Mets have to decide what they are going to do with their pen
Signing Biemel is a top priority…almost as much as getting a closer
To me they have to overdose on good pen guys this offseason..
My wishlist would be to get Cruz/Biemel/Fuentes and K-Rod
the only holdovers from the pen from last year would be Smith/Parnell/Feliciano/Stokes or Ayala
I don’t know why the Mets are even discussing Fuentes at all. Even if he is decent for the first two years of a four year deal the final two would most likely be agonizing to watch…K-Rod is 26, he shut down several clutch postseason games to help lead the Angels to a World Series a few years back…along with the rally monkey…and he just set the all-time record for saves in a season. As long as he doesn’t get injured all of the time 14 mil in 2013 for a closer younger than fuentes is now will most likely be great market value.
Why would you trade and give up prospecs when there’s a younger, better cheaper Krod out there?
Krod is better then Fuentes and I dont want another 37 yr. old lefty closer down the road.
Even if it is a couple mil more and 5 years. Would it be soooo horrible if Krod was a closer at 32? Yea b/c theres never an effective closer is their early 30’s.