Comments on: Buzz: Rays and Mets talk Aaron Heilman http://www.metsblog.com/2008/11/05/buzz-rays-and-mets-talk-aaron-heilman/ MetsBlog.com features the latest Mets rumors, player movement, and news circulating around the Internet, as well as Mets related insights and opinions by Matthew Cerrone and his team of guest bloggers. Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:48:15 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: www.metsextreme.com http://www.metsblog.com/2008/11/05/buzz-rays-and-mets-talk-aaron-heilman/#comment-383534 www.metsextreme.com Wed, 05 Nov 2008 23:03:38 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/11/05/buzz-rays-and-mets-talk-aaron-heilman/#comment-383534 so you wouldent take either of these guys for Heilman who: cant deal with the pressure of NY, ERA was worse then these two, and is five years older, and you say there strikeout numbers are low, but yet both have better strikeout numbers then Pelfrey? Pelfrey - 200.2 IP/ 110 K Jackson- 183 IP / 108 K Sonnanstine- 193 IP/ 124 K I would trade Heilman and Carp or evans and another low level prospect for either of these guys. so you wouldent take either of these guys for Heilman who: cant deal with the pressure of NY, ERA was worse then these two, and is five years older, and you say there strikeout numbers are low, but yet both have better strikeout numbers then Pelfrey?

Pelfrey – 200.2 IP/ 110 K
Jackson- 183 IP / 108 K
Sonnanstine- 193 IP/ 124 K

I would trade Heilman and Carp or evans and another low level prospect for either of these guys.

]]> By: just-mlb http://www.metsblog.com/2008/11/05/buzz-rays-and-mets-talk-aaron-heilman/#comment-383475 just-mlb Wed, 05 Nov 2008 22:14:45 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/11/05/buzz-rays-and-mets-talk-aaron-heilman/#comment-383475 to be honest...id rather spend the extra 8 million a year and extra 3 years on CC than on Ollie...I loved Ollie and I think he is a gamer...BUT, a HEALTHY rotation of CC..Johan...Pelfrey...Maine...and a 5th starter would be pretty great... If we max out on the bullpen, I think we have enough to cover our deficiencies in other areas ...( LF/2B) Omar should be going after Cruz/Biemel/Fuentes/K-Rod if we have that plus smith feliciano parnell..maybe stokes or ayala...( sorry but i think they have to cut ties with aaron and maybe even dirty ) i think I would like our chances to be honest…id rather spend the extra 8 million a year and extra 3 years on CC than on Ollie…I loved Ollie and I think he is a gamer…BUT, a HEALTHY rotation of CC..Johan…Pelfrey…Maine…and a 5th starter would be pretty great…

If we max out on the bullpen, I think we have enough to cover our deficiencies in other areas …( LF/2B)

Omar should be going after

Cruz/Biemel/Fuentes/K-Rod

if we have that plus smith feliciano parnell..maybe stokes or ayala…( sorry but i think they have to cut ties with aaron and maybe even dirty )

i think I would like our chances

]]> By: HOFMets57 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/11/05/buzz-rays-and-mets-talk-aaron-heilman/#comment-383242 HOFMets57 Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:42:48 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/11/05/buzz-rays-and-mets-talk-aaron-heilman/#comment-383242 Correct. To answer your question, Gina. Yes, simply because of velocity. They are the same age but Edwin has an out where Sonnanstine does not: velocity/strike out. If he can continue and develop his secondary pitches, he projects to be a 2-3 starter. Sonnanstine will never be higher than a 4... Correct.

To answer your question, Gina. Yes, simply because of velocity. They are the same age but Edwin has an out where Sonnanstine does not: velocity/strike out. If he can continue and develop his secondary pitches, he projects to be a 2-3 starter. Sonnanstine will never be higher than a 4…

]]> By: vikdeen http://www.metsblog.com/2008/11/05/buzz-rays-and-mets-talk-aaron-heilman/#comment-383234 vikdeen Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:23:27 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/11/05/buzz-rays-and-mets-talk-aaron-heilman/#comment-383234 I dont understand this rumor. Why the fudge monkeys would the Rays take a washed up 31 year old reliever in exchange for a young starter with upside?. This would only make sense if the Mets included a top prospect. I like the idea of trading for Vasquez and moving Heilman to the rotation as the 5th man. I say we ride heilman till his arm falls off, then cut him. hahaha. I dont understand this rumor. Why the fudge monkeys would the Rays take a washed up 31 year old reliever in exchange for a young starter with upside?. This would only make sense if the Mets included a top prospect. I like the idea of trading for Vasquez and moving Heilman to the rotation as the 5th man. I say we ride heilman till his arm falls off, then cut him. hahaha.

]]> By: ravi3 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/11/05/buzz-rays-and-mets-talk-aaron-heilman/#comment-383130 ravi3 Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:24:36 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/11/05/buzz-rays-and-mets-talk-aaron-heilman/#comment-383130 I did a big post regarding Heilman, with the conclusion that Heilman's knee injury prevented him from throwing an effective changeup, allowing hitters to sit on his fastball. While this was very tough for righties, as Aaron's FB bores in on the RH batters, it is easier for lefties, as Heilman must exhibit excellent control, otherwise the pitch creeps toward the middle of the plate, or outside the zone vs. lefties. This is why lefties hit him uncharacteristically hard, and what led to Heilman's lost season (If you take a look at the splits, you'll see that his performance vs. righties was in line with career norms, while lefties hammered him). Should his knee be healthy next year (a big deal, as he needs to be able drive off it in order to locate his pitches), look for a return to form. Book it. I did a big post regarding Heilman, with the conclusion that Heilman’s knee injury prevented him from throwing an effective changeup, allowing hitters to sit on his fastball. While this was very tough for righties, as Aaron’s FB bores in on the RH batters, it is easier for lefties, as Heilman must exhibit excellent control, otherwise the pitch creeps toward the middle of the plate, or outside the zone vs. lefties. This is why lefties hit him uncharacteristically hard, and what led to Heilman’s lost season (If you take a look at the splits, you’ll see that his performance vs. righties was in line with career norms, while lefties hammered him).

Should his knee be healthy next year (a big deal, as he needs to be able drive off it in order to locate his pitches), look for a return to form. Book it.

]]> By: SovereignRonnie http://www.metsblog.com/2008/11/05/buzz-rays-and-mets-talk-aaron-heilman/#comment-383128 SovereignRonnie Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:24:09 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/11/05/buzz-rays-and-mets-talk-aaron-heilman/#comment-383128 Garza > Price > Shields > Kazmir Garza > Price > Shields > Kazmir

]]> By: kingman 26 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/11/05/buzz-rays-and-mets-talk-aaron-heilman/#comment-383105 kingman 26 Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:10:54 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/11/05/buzz-rays-and-mets-talk-aaron-heilman/#comment-383105 He is 24 years old. He is 24 years old.

]]> By: houstonpete0 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/11/05/buzz-rays-and-mets-talk-aaron-heilman/#comment-383100 houstonpete0 Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:02:13 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/11/05/buzz-rays-and-mets-talk-aaron-heilman/#comment-383100 Move Aaron back into the rotation and make him your #5. The look to sign Lowe or deal for Vasquez for the #3 spot. Gives you a nice Santana-Maine-Lowe/Vasquez-Pelfrey-Heilman. If he is halfway decent in the #5 spot you can deal him at the deadline for a better option. Spend the cash on the pen and a left fielder!!!! Oh and deal Castillo for anyone who can put on a uniform! Move Aaron back into the rotation and make him your #5. The look to sign Lowe or deal for Vasquez for the #3 spot. Gives you a nice Santana-Maine-Lowe/Vasquez-Pelfrey-Heilman. If he is halfway decent in the #5 spot you can deal him at the deadline for a better option.

Spend the cash on the pen and a left fielder!!!!

Oh and deal Castillo for anyone who can put on a uniform!

]]> By: The Stache http://www.metsblog.com/2008/11/05/buzz-rays-and-mets-talk-aaron-heilman/#comment-383098 The Stache Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:59:19 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/11/05/buzz-rays-and-mets-talk-aaron-heilman/#comment-383098 I am under the impression that Ollie's picks if he signed with another team are protected. This would mean the Mets could sign 2 Type A free agents and still retain a first round and supplemental pick. While I agree the Mets need to pay above slot...it would probably help if the team focused somewhat on developing its talent even if it is a crapshoot. Many of the Mets first round picks have panned out (if I'm not mistaken Kazmir Wright(supplemental) heilman and big pelf were all first rounders). I am under the impression that Ollie’s picks if he signed with another team are protected. This would mean the Mets could sign 2 Type A free agents and still retain a first round and supplemental pick. While I agree the Mets need to pay above slot…it would probably help if the team focused somewhat on developing its talent even if it is a crapshoot. Many of the Mets first round picks have panned out (if I’m not mistaken Kazmir Wright(supplemental) heilman and big pelf were all first rounders).

]]> By: therealsince86 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/11/05/buzz-rays-and-mets-talk-aaron-heilman/#comment-383094 therealsince86 Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:51:19 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/11/05/buzz-rays-and-mets-talk-aaron-heilman/#comment-383094 Eh. Waste of time today. Eh. Waste of time today.

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