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“The agents for free-agent LHP Brian 
Fuentes reportedly put a four-year, $44 million proposal on the table to the Mets,” reports Tracy Ringolsby in the Rocky Mountain News.
According to Ringoslby, the Cardinals and Indians have interest in Fuentes, but only in a one– or two-year deal.
…from what i can gather, in addition to the Mets, Indians and Cardinals, the Brewers, Rangers, Rockies, Tigers and Angels are also looking for a closer…
Today, at SI.com, Jon Heyman wrote the Mets are not willing to give Francisco Rodriguez a five-year deal, and while they are interested in Fuentes, they will first look to the trade market for a closer, such as M’s RHP J.J. Putz and A’s RHP Huston Street.
…the buzz in baseball suggests the Indians and A’s will hook up on street, assuming Billy Beane actually goes through with moving him…street plus beane equals a lot of young talent coming back to Oakland, and the Mets do not seem to be a good fit…
…so, the sense i get is that the Mets will wait, bet that no team will offer k-rod a five-year deal, at least in the next month or so, know fuentes will not sign until k-rod does, and instead push for putz, who is the more realistic trade acquisition…
…from what i can gather, the Mariners like what the Mets will likely offer, and putz is intrigued by pitching in New York…
However, according to a recent report in Newsday by Ken Davidoff, the Mariners are not likely to trade him.
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yea…no thanks at 4 years buddy!
I agree completely…this would be insanity…sign KRod before giving Fuentes that much and that many years.
If there is any chance at Putz, I think that is where they should be focusing. The M’s are horrible, and might very well take a package of prospects, and last year’s injury notwithstanding, Putz has had a fine career and was amazing in 2007.
Let’s get Putz and Ichiro for FMart, Heilman, Kunz, and Niese.
Yes! Maybe they will throw in King Felix if we throw in Show!!
Funny. But I have heard Ichiro regarded as a malcontent over there. They are actually looking for a manager that could get along with him. They signed him to a huge contract I think it was last year. I’m just saying, they have won with him and lost with him…I think they can do both without him.
Sorry, not trying to be rude…Ichiro loves Seattle, the Asian population, and the proximity to Japan compared to NY…I lived in Seattle for a decade, and still follow them somewhat. They actually serve sushi called Ichi-rolls at Safeco…not kidding…
Yes, he is looked at as aloof and arrogant and even a bit selfish, but he is even more important to the M’s marketing/attendance-wise now that they are horrible.
I think Ichiro is less of a great guy to have around when they lose, but even so, he did sign an extension with them when someone like us or the Yanks would have given him zillions had he become a free agent.
Were he available, with Putz, I would offer a package of pretty much anything other than the core of Reyes/Wright/Beltran/Johan/Pelf…..he and Reyes at the top of the lineup? Wow!
Even if Seattle were to get rid of Ichiro, it won’t be in a deal where they get back a reliever who had a terrible year, a middling pitching prospect, a less than middling pitching prospect, and an outfield prospect whose star has lost some luster. And on top of that you expect them to include Putz?
I wonder if the Mariners would consider dealing Putz for Parnell, Delgado and $4mil. It would add a power bat who could play 1B/DH and replace the numbers they lose if Ibanez leaves. However I don’t know the Mariners situation that well.
It would free the Mets up to go after Dunn or Tex to play first, or if they move Murphy to first it allows them to go after Orlando Hudson.
Giving Fuentes 4 years would be the EXACT same scenario as Billy Wagner.
Wagner signed at the age of 33 years old (just like Fuentes) for 4 years and got injured in his last year at the age of 37.
So tell me, WHY in the world would we repeat this mistake in 2008?
Fuentes had a good year last year but has NOWHERE NEAR the pedigree even Wagner had when he turned to FA.
K-Rod on the other hand, has been even more dominant than Wagner (career-wise) and has NEVER lost his closer’s role.
What’s one more year and $2-3M more per season?
Wake up Mets fans!
Well said…
Id offer 3 yrs, 34-36 mil plus an option making the whole thing 4/48
By the way, with Obama’s tax structure, look for the big name free agents to sign by January.
No need to rush on Fuentes.
Let’s go after K-Rod
Fuentes lost his job in Colorado. Does the front office honestly think there’s less pressure in New York? If we are getting a small-market closer it better be one with postseason success otherwise you’re going backwards if you’re going to trade young talent for “proven” talent that can’t get it done on the big stage…
we should give krod 7 yrs we need him and tell seatlle to go scratch my putz we need to keep it to latinos no white devils go obama
NO.
Meh. I want Fuentes but not for that contract.
4 yrs. $44MM, for an OK relief pitcher? Not on your life.
Since he seems to have a thing with 4’s, how about a 4 yr, $4MM deal or a 44yr, $44MM deal?
I def don’t want Putz.. 32 by the time the season starts and coming off a terrible year.. plus young talent.. vs just cash for Fuentes?
Negoitae down Fuentes to a 3 year deal.. done and done.
He was hurt last year, and even so, he didn’t have a terrible year.
He has gotten better every year of his career until last year, and was absolutely awesome in 2007, and very well could be back to that next year…and we would not have to be giving him a huge contract, as he already has one, and it is very reasonable.
Putz could be next year’s Lidge, in terms of coming back and being lights-out.
An ERA of almost 4 and a whip of 1.6? That’s pretty bad…
Lidge’s problem was awlays his head.. never his body…
At 32 going on 33… Putz is a big time injury risk.
I agree last year he was down, but considering that he was hurt and that the M’s were horrible, those stats were pretty bad, but not awful…he would have been one of the better guys in our pen last year…and he will be 32, not 33 this winter.
He never was hurt before last year, I don’t think.
He is no guarantee, but I just think that considering his VERY reasonable contract, and that we could possibly have him without trading Murphy, he could be a very interesting idea.
We would have a ton of money left for other needs if we got him, and if he returned to his pre-2008 form, we would have made an incredible deal.
I just don’t think he’s a sure thing… I feel like we need to plug one hole at the end of the pen.. and then you can bring it a bunch of arms and see who shakes out.
It’s gonna cost you his contract, plus some version of Parnell, Evans, and prolly one more…
That’s 3 young cheap players you need to replace elsewhere too…
All things being equal I’d rather save the young guys and grab Fuentes for 3 years if possible.. but it’s just my two cents
None of them are sure things when it comes to bullpen arms. Fuentes is definitely no sure thing. If the Mets are going to sign a free agent closer for 3 years or more … just go the extra mile and sign K-Rod. Fuentes just isn’t worth it.
Well, I cannot disagree with you too much here…I used to live in Seattle and still follow them a bit, and Putz was SO impressive the last few years before getting hurt….so I guess I am partial to him.
I guess the question is whether Putz is more sure to return to form than Fuentes is sure to be good for 3–4 years. Definitely 2 question marks there….
I think I agree with Mikey…if we are willing to even consider that much for Fuentes, pony up a bit more and go for KRod….but it is not our money of course…if only it was….
in my opinion, if i was GM, i’d grab one of the free agent closers (either K-rod or fuentes), and then still trade for Putz and make him my 8th inning guy. i know he’s making a lot to be an 8th inning guy, but just imagine a duo of Putz in the 8th and Krod in the 9th…it would be game over after the 7th inning most nights. and the money is well worth it if you are winning games because of it. i think Putz would be an outstanding setup man/backup closer. then grab chad cordero on a cheap 1 year deal and make him the 7th inning guy. ahhhh…i’m salivating over what this bullpen could be.
Wow, this scenario is amazing….sign KRod, trade for Putz, and try to sign a cheap deal for Cordero.
This kind of pen would make getting another starter less important, and would instantly improve the team infinitely.
If we had this pen in 2008, we would all be watching reruns of the Mets’ championship parade right now.
Evans barely has a future with the Mets anyway. Cross our fingers but FMart hopefully will be the future in Left, Church in Right, and I personally think Murph is the future at 1st so that doesn’t leave much room for Evans, plus he doesn’t project to be anything more than an average player anyway. Same thing with Carp who looks like a career DH, he’s got no future here so we might as well trade him.
I say we offer the Mariners a choice of 2 of 3 out of this group: Evans, Carp, Parnell and see if they’ll take Show as well. With the money you save by not signing Krod we can bring in Brandon Lyon to setup at 2 yrs 8 mil and the rest of the pen could shake out as follows:
Putz
Lyon
Affeldt (2 year deal)
Feliciano
Ayala
Sanchez
Stokes
Lets take a look at the bigger picture:
TRADES
-Parnell, Carp, and Show for Putz
-Heilman and Evans for Sonnastine
SIGNINGS
O-Dog — 3 years 30 mil
Derek Lowe — 4 years 60 mil
Brandon Lyon — 2 years 9 mil
Jeremy Affeldt — 2 years 4 mil
Luis Ayala — 2 years 4 mil
RELEASE
Castillo — we’re not gonna get anything for him, just eat the money and cut your loses
LINEUP
1. Reyes
2. Hudson
3. Wright
4. Delgado
5. Beltran
6. Church
7. Murphy/Tatis
8. Schneider/Castro
ROTATION
1. Santana
2. Pelfrey
3. Lowe
4. Maine
5. Sonnastine/Niese
BULLPEN
CL Putz
SU Lyon
RIGHTYS:
Ayala
Smith
Sanchez
LEFTIES:
Affeldt
Feliciano
Estimated payroll INCLUDING Wagner…….140 MIL
-Parnell, Carp, and Show for Putz
-Heilman and Evans for Sonnastine
???????
Evans, Parnell, and Carp are not coveted prospects. Heilman was awful last year.
These are dumb trade suggestions.
If you had Putz would you trade him for Parnell, Carp and Show?
If you had Sonnastine would you give him up for Heilman and Evans?
Hey, if I’m Seattle and looking to rebuild with some young players than why not? Give them Kunz too
As far as Tampa goes they supposedly believe in Heilman as a starter and could use a guy like Evans since they were a team last year that struggled against lefties.
There have been much worse trades suggested on this site than these.
why not? Because they don’t project into anything.
Evans and Carp both project to be everyday players, Evans as an OF/1B and Carp as a 1B/DH.
Parnell as a Middle Reliever/Closer
Do they project to be superstars, of course not but we’re trading for a closer on a last place team coming off a down year why should we have to give up prospects with superstar upside for that?
Evans and Carp project to be everyday players? Since when? And considering Carp hasn’t hit for any power yet why would an AL team want him as a 1b/dh prospect?
Thank you, Gina.
4 years for Fuentes…pas s
If we could sign Krod for 4 years…I have no problem with that.
Give him 4 years 50-55 mil. 5 years…then pas s. although team-5th year option could be viable.
If its only a few more mil a year, than why not sign the better closer?
Plus, Krod is young and entering his prime.
Velocity drop or no drop…I dont care, he knows HOW to pitch and he has a very good selection of pitchers.
JJ Putz is attractive…he was downright filthy in 2006 and 2007 and dropped off in 2008…maybe a change of scenery, renewed enthusiasm with actually being on a good team, and the NL, could bring him back to a top closer. He doesn’t walk many batters which is always a good thing. I’d trade a package of Evans, Parnell, and a 3rd minor leaguer if that would be enough.
Maybe they would take Show too, hes only signed for one more year
How about 3/$33 MM and a club option? I think that’s pretty fair.
I agree thats a contract I would want them to do. I’d much rather have that than K-rod for 5/75
from what i can gather, the Mariners like what the Mets will likely offer, and putz is intrigued by pitching in New York…
–ok, what would the mets “likely offer?” Have you heard anything or at least have some guesses Matt? come on
I was wondering the same things!
I haven’t heard anyth regarding what the Mets would offer that would satisfy the M’s. all I heard was that the M’s might ask for someone from their major league roster……..whatever that means.
You can’t have a closer named Putz in NY.
Then we could bring up Kunz and have a backpage frenzy when they combine to blow a lead.
Putz is intriguing, I say we go after him as long as his arm checks out.
Now the real question comes in to play, what would we REALISTICALLY have to give up to get him?
What kind of package would you need for Putz?
Interesting, you can’t talk dollars with free agents other than your own until next Friday, but here is an offer.
teams can’t make an offer. I don’t think there is a restriction against an agent throwing numbers out to test the waters.
and then the GM’s can nod or shake their head…
The waiting game is NOT an option this off season with so much to get done…it may have worked out well with Santana; but we cannot come up empty handed come January and scramble around for has beens and old timers day stars of yesteryears. Make selections and focusin on acquring them; the old game of who will blink first will cost too much valuable time; Omar, you have made your own bed!
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3yrs…24ml
Oh come on, that’s not enough money.
But that’s all he is worth.
How do you feel about 3 years 33 with a club option for?
I still really like Putz, but have no clue what the M’s would want.
Still don’t like it for a reliever like Fuentes that is as old as he is too. I just don’t feel like he is anything special and we will regret the deal as much as we do Castillo.
It’s either Krod or outside the box for me.
I’m all set if this guy is looking for a 4 yr/44 mill deal.
He’s 33 and not amazing. Look at his stats, very good, but not great or lights out. He came into his own 4 years ago and has been solid. But, he’s blown betwen 4 and 7 saves each of those 4 years, Wagner-esque. I know he may be settin up, not closing, but NY is tougher to handle than Coors.
This point has been done to deal but releivers don’t come from big contracts, they come from trades and developing young talent.
I’d offer him 4 -36 and sign him today. The staff needs arms and he has one.
I wouldn’t feel comfortable with Fuentes as our closer in Game 3 of the World Series. I wouldn’t feel comfortable with him in Game 3 of the home schedule. I would not like him in a pinch, I do not think a save is a cinch. I do not like him Sam I Am, I do not like Fuentes & ham.
Fuentes for 4 years is a no no. 3 years 30-35 mln. I don’t see any teams beating that. No 5 yars for K-Rod.
I’d rather not use our chips to trade for Putz unless we sign Lowe and another bat and still have a need for a closer.
If K-Rod was a running back, I doubt he would average 5yars/carry.
It all kind of depends what it would take to get Putz. I wish someone would report what the M’s are looking for.
I’m sure the M’s are going to start with Murph. To which Omar will likely reply:
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I don’t get the fascination with JJ Putz, or Street for that matter.
I try to talk Fuentes down to three years plus an option, at a bit more per year. Give him 4 if you must, but he’s def. better than Putz, and solidifies the bullpen more than a Putz or Street would.
I have seen putz pitch much, but I was never impressed with Street, who is very prone to the gopher ball.
You want to pay Fuentes more than 11 million a year? Are you insane?
*Moves*
- Trade Delgado for Putz
- Trade Heilman for a 5th SP
- Trade Castillo for Guillen
- Sign Lowe to a 3 yr deal
- Sign Dunn to a 3-4 yr deal
- Sign Cordero
- Sign Biemel
- Bring in 2-3 other new arms
Reyes – SS
Murphy – 2B
Wright – 3B
Dunn – 1B
Beltran – CF
Church – RF
Guillen – LF
Schneider – C
Santana
Lowe
Pelf
Maine
Neise/whoever we trade Heilman for (Sonnanstine?)
Putz
Cordero
Biemel
Dirty
Parnell
Sho (**only against Lefties)
Joe Smith (** only against Righties)
Minors: (Muniz, Figgy, Kunz, minor leage deals)
That shores up the BP. Gives us a sold rotation. And a very solid line up. Any thoughts?
Don’t you think that the rebuilding M’s would rather have prospects instead of an expensive 1 year of Delgado?
Of course they would…the M’s are looking for young and cheap…..and Guillen is poisonous. NOT what we need. Adding he and Dunn, we would set the MLB strikeout record by late August….
Prospects for Putz, and sign Cordero if he comes cheaply.
And say no to Fuentes unless his demands become reasonable.
Didn’t Matt (or someone) say the M’s wanted someone from the ML roster. My guess is Church and then some prospects.
How about switch Putz to Ryan for Delgado. The Jays seem a more likely destination for him.
I like your idea’s. I was saying Delgado for Putz a couple of weeks ago on here and a bunch of people jumped all over me.
I like the idea of signing Cordero but I can’t see him to agreeing to being an 8th inning guy. Since he’s a free agent, he can demand that he be the closer or he won’t sign.
Beimel is a guy that no one is talking about and everyone should be talking about for the Mets. He’d be a great pick up.
I’m not crazy about Dunn or Guillen. I could live with Dunn if we had to replace Delgado. It makes sense. I could also live with Guillen because I simply hate Castillo so much.
Derek Lowe would be solid behind Santana … and Heilman for a 5th starter would be great.
Again why would the M’s trade Putz for Delgado? It makes no sense for them. They are not going to compete this season with our without Delgado. They need to trade Putz for guys like Parnell, Kunz, Evans, etc. Guys that have potential and are young and cheap. Not old men on a 12 million dollar 1 year contract.
I know, I know… but you just never know what GM’s are thinking. You can only as.s.ume.
You were also saying that the Royals would not bring in a first baseman because they had so many young guys ready to fill in. Yet, they brought in a first baseman that literally blocks them.
Like I said … you just don’t know. It’s all open to speculation.
Because Jacobs will be their DH unless someone is traded.
Still there is a lot of difference in a cheap, young Jacobs for a middle reliever and an older, expenisive 1 year of Delgado for your closer.
But they already had DH’s and first basemen who were younger and cheaper and would probably be as valuable as Jacobs. Like mikey_ff said there was really no reason for the deal. I don’t think it would make any sense for Seattle’s gm to trade for Delgado but teams do things that don’t make any sense all the time.
It doesn’t matter. The argument was that the Royals would not block their young talent. Just because Jacobs is cheap doesn’t mean he doesn’t block anyone. He isn’t that good.
Thanks Gina … that’s exactly what I’m saying.
Point is he is not blocking anyone at DH. And you are as suming they don’t trade him or one of the other guys.
But that’s like building a package for Soria around Delgado or Puljos for Pelfrey and saying well a GM might do it because they are stupid sometimes.
Pujols for Pelfrey is nothing like Delgado for Putz. Delgado for Putz makes some sense where as Pujols for Pelfrey makes none.
How does it make ANY, I repeat ANY sense for them?
Because they could use a DH.
LOL. So a rebuilding team is going to pay 12 million and trade their closer for a DH?
Again, you can’t make this deal make sense for them. Maybe if we paid for Delgado’s salary.
Maybe they have a contract that THEY want to dump. Ever think of that? Just because someone says trade Delgado for Putz doesn’t mean it has to be a straight up deal.
Obviously the Mets can eat some money in the right deal.
Now if we took on Washburn’s or Bautistia’s salary with Putz and sent them Delgado and Heilman you MIGHT be on to something. As that would clear up 16 million while costing them 12 million. But even at that, why not trade Putz for prospects and wait out those contracts?
Actually, they did
” Trade Delgado for Putz” from the original post.
It’s not like Putz is a big salary at 6 million including his 2010 buyout. Washburn and Bautistia are bad contracts but they are not going to be big players in the FA market if they dump them. Thus, I am guessing they would rather trade any of them from prospects and not Delgado. Sorry.
You would be more likely to get Putz for guys like Evans, Carp, Parnell and Kunz than a 1 year rental of Delgado.
Yeah but your guessing what the GM is thinking … and you or I really don’t know. That’s my point.
You don’t have to agree with it but it’s a definite possibility. I’ve seen stranger deals happen.
If Delgado for Putz is a posiblity just like that then all those other crazy ideas I posted are a posibility. I am all for making trade proposals on here but at least think it through from the other side. The M’s are not going to compete next year and will want prospects not 1 year rentals. Any common sense would tell you that, you don’t have to know what a GM is thinking. Common sense tells me that Omar will have to get a closer because we need one. We COULD stay in house but how likely is that? Is it a possiblity? Yes.
I thought it through as far as I could without pretending I shared a brain with the M’s GM.
It’s speculation. Don’t talk like your thoughts are fact. It’s speculation.
Anything is possible, sky is the limit, yes we can……
wow … just wow.
STAY AWAY FROM FUENTES, PLEASE.
Yes, pretty please with a cherry on top.
putz could really work out. Even if you get someone else (like Fuentes) he would be a valuable addition.
But if Seattle wants top talent, pas-s. Treat him like a 32 YO question mark (due to injuries) with a big contract, and you might work out a deal.
This could be a good chance to move Carp, an AL player it seems. So start with Heilmann and Carp. What the heck!
For Fuentes, it is a negotiation. So he asks for 4 years. Offer 2 + an option year, and if he does better, move on.
At least he is viable as a set up guy if someone else emerges to close.
Actually, that might be the best reason to get FUentes. Also add some parnell types (live arms) to groom, and if one pans out, you bump Fuentes down to the 8th inning.
Or just sign K Rod if you can get him down to 4 years at manageable money. Then load up on power arms for the rest of the later innings.
And get some SPs that can regularly go deep in games to hide the soft underbelly that every pen has.
I actually would love Vazquez if he comes reasonably cheap. I will adopt him if they move Castillo in the process.
The more I think about Vazquez the more I like the idea.
His h/9 seem to be his big problem. His k/9 and BB/9 are very solid. His bb/9 are lot better than O.P.’s. I think that his h/9 will drop in the NL and his fly ball tendencies will be off set a bit at citifield because its a pitcher’s park. The problem is I don’t know if it will play like shea or not.
If h/9 is hits then a lot of that is because of the whitesox sad excuse for a defense.
I have still said to tell Krod that we will offer 4/60 right now and he has until the December meeting to accept it. If he does not then we will retract the offer.
Then go out and trade for a guy like Putz to put more pressure on him.
So the question is: What do you think it would take to trade for Putz?
I would offer Heilman, Parnell and Evans tops.
hmmm, if Heilman goes, then no Sonnastine/Jackson. Tough, tough.
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uUmmmmmmmmmmm. How are the Mets talking contract with Fuentes when the Rockies have an exclusive 15 day negotiating window?
They are not. The agents, however, are allowed to talk as much as they want.
That was my first thought when I read this. The article has to be pure BS, no one will publicly disclose the Mets are talking cash with FA’s.
It never said that they Mets are talking. That is the offer the agent is taking to the Mets based on the article.
4years-44mil for THIS guy?–Thanks, but no Thanks!
How about thinking outside the box and going after someone like Randy Johnson for a one year deal to close games.
Please, put the bong down.
You would really rather sign Fuentes to 4 years or trade away 2-3 young players for Putz, forget even talking about KRod than sign the Big Unit to a 1 year deal.
When he was healthy last year he was actually very good. Still has good strikeout numbers, pitching less innings could keep him healthy and even make him more effective. Name one closer, besides Lidge that was signed as a FA to a big contract with a new team and has been successful. Maybe BJ Ryan but he has been hurt often. Relievers in general and specifically closers are found on the scrap heap or traded for a bag of peanuts.
Fun fact.
Over the past 3 years Fuentes has a significantly lower WHIP and the same opponent BA as K-Rod… he also happened to pitch in Colorado, which isn’t as great a HR hitters park as it used to be but still very advantageous to the hitter.
I’d rather sign Fuentes at 3 years than K-Rod at 5 for sure…
K-Rod is a good closer, probably right on the fringe of the Top 5 but Fuentes is in the Top 10 as well…
I don’t even see why there is competition with this. K-rod should be priority, first choice hands down!
Lets take a look and ask these question to yourself
Fuentes, Street, Putz, or K-rod
-Who is and can be the most dominant closer out of all of them?
-Who has accomplished the most in a young career?
-Who’s going to cost alot of prospects?
-Are you worried about age? Decrese of effectivness while finishing up their contract?
We’ll in my opinion K-rod is the obvious answer for the mets.
We have a gaping hole of a need.
He’s young, dominant, already proven, availible and nobody really superseeds him based on ability or price.
Fuetes’ price is fairly close to K-rod’s anyway where as we have the money and K-rod beats him anyday.
The Mets have the money to spend.
For Street and Putz you have to give up numerous prospects where a free agent you don’t(we’ll get back the draft pick back anyway if ollie isn’t signed), and with any of them you have to pay them eventually.
Considering K-Rod’s price is similar to 33 year old Fuetes I propose this deal that I think would satisfy both sides needs..:
2009 $14.5 mil’
2010 $14.5 mil’
2011 $14.5 mil’ (player may opt out after 3rd year)
2012 $15.5 mil’
2013 $ 17 mil (team option) (turns to player option if records 150 saves as a met)
Any chance we can pry Matt Capps away from The Pirates? Don’t think he is available, but I wonder if you could tempt Pittsburgh with an offer of Niese and Nick Evans with say an Aaron Heilman for someone like Capps. Young and cheap.
I am not sure which is more impressive—your originality, the incredible array of variety in your posts, or how you can find the time to come on here when you obviously are an incredibly popular and busy person with a wildly exciting life.
(yawn)