Matthew Cerrone

Second Base: Mets want to make a Trade
By Matthew Cerrone - Nov 6, 2008 2:39 pm

In a post to his amazing Hot Stove blog for SI.com, Jon Heyman reports that the Mets have been gauging interest in RHP Aaron Heilman, Scott Schoeneweis and 2B Luis Castillo.

According to Heyman, “In preparation to trade Castillo, all Mets executives familiarized themselves with the list of bad contracts on other teams.  Needless to say, it is long.”

If the Mets are able to trade Castillo, Heyman writes, they would like to pursue free-agent 2B Orlando Hudson,’ who is seeking a five-year, $50 million deal.

For a list of ‘bad contracts,’ check out this post from the Boston Globe, where Nick Cafardo broke down each team’s bad contract, while asking, “I never really understood why there aren’t more “swap meet” type deals in baseball. As in, ‘You take what I can’t use and I’ll take what you can’t use.’”

Castillo is due $18 million over the next three seasons.

So, if you have time to kill, go to Cot’s Baseball Contracts, do a little work, and see if you can find a similar contract to Castillo’s, on a team that needs a second baseman, from the list of Cafardo’s players, and find a match for the Mets.

85 Responses to “Second Base: Mets want to make a Trade”

  1. HOFMets57 says:

    Thanks for bringing Johan, Luis!

    Bye!!

  2. ravi3 says:

    Before people get uppity about Hudson’s demands, he will very likely get less than the 5/50 he wants

    • jaydh says:

      5 at 50 is crazy. 3/30 is as high as i would go on him IF we move castillo and have extra money not needed to fix pitching.

  3. Lidge=Mitch Williams says:

    Can I drive Luis Castillo to the airport? HAHAHA!

  4. the_other_matt says:

    If another team needs a 2nd baseman, why would they want Castillo? bah-dum-bum.

  5. BiggieSmalls says:

    How about Freddy Sanchez for Aaron Heilman

    • how does that really help us?

      • …or Pittsburgh. They’ll get only one year of Heilman in all liklihood. Wonder where he goes as a FA after this year.

        • BiggieSmalls says:

          heilman has TWO more years of arbitration left.

        • BiggieSmalls says:

          Aaron Heilman rhp
          1 year/$1.2M (2008)

          * re-signed 1/18/08 (avoided arbitration)
          * 1 year/$0.453M (2007), renewed 3/07
          * 1 year/$0.359M (2006), re-signed 3/06
          * 1 year (2005), re-signed 3/05
          * drafted 2002 (1-18), $1,508,705 signing bonus
          * agent: Mark Rodgers
          * ML service: 3.123

      • starz31 says:

        we trade a white guy for a latno-name!! HI-yooo

      • BiggieSmalls says:

        2nd baseman and number two hitter who hit 340 before a series of injuries..

        sounds good to me.

        • Well, here’s the thing… despite their claims to the contrary, the Mets have re-inked Delgado, have been linked to a number of FA outfielders, and have every intention of trading Castillo. This, to me, points to one of two things - sign Orlando Hudson for 2B and play Murphy in the OF, or use Murphy at 2B and sign an OF. Freddy Sanchez fits neither of those and I think the Mets would have very little interest in him, not to mention the fact that the Bucs have no need for Heilman.

        • BiggieSmalls says:

          or trade Delgado and play Murph at First and Fill Left field with an FA. trade Castillo for fodder and then Sanchez slides into 2B in the Heilman trade

        • The Slider says:

          No to Murphy at 2B. Forgetaboutit. Won’t never happen.

  6. starz31 says:

    I’ve been following Heyman’s blog and amazing would be a good word to describe…Numerous posts throughout the day…more MLB-related news, but a lot of it could affect the Mets…very informative.

    That said, In a market where money isn’t that big of a deal, why not trade a guy we dont want for a guy they dont want…changes in scenery really do apply and usually spur that player with added motivation to return to form. Millions or no millions, players have egos and pride and don’t like being called “busts” or “over-rated” or “washed-up”.

    • That’s why i’d really love to get Eric Byrnes in here… I know the D-Backs don’t want Castillo, and I don’t blame them, but if we could pair him with something worthwhile, we should revisit that “deal.”

      • BBmetsfreak36 says:

        Amen to that. I’ve always liked Byrnes and I think he’s a great back to back counter part to church. One bat 6, one 7. One bat left, one bat right. One play left, one play right. And with him we’d have no doubtibly the best defensive outfeild in the national leage not to mention a solid lineup. I think snieder is plently when it comes from great defensively and sub-par but yet acceptible offensively. So no, I don’t think catcher is a problem.
        I truely believe Murphy can and will be our starting second basemen next year. I don’t see why people are so sceptical of that. He’s a natural infeilder so it’s not all that new to him. Just pessimistic people believe he isn’t based of what they see of him in the majors. Don’t say he doesn’t have range b/c he is fairly deceptivly fast. And I just don’t think he can produce powerfully enough to be a 1st basemen or everyday left feilder. But considering you have a fairly good hitter I just feel its a waste to put him anywhere else but second.
        Where as I do not think he just should be handed the job but compete or share the job while learning from a vetern presence such as Eckstien or Easly. If matured fully by the break the counter part could be held as bait at the deadline. Usually somebody’ll be looking for a vetern infeilder.

  7. dominicanboy08 says:

    heilman,castillo,evans and another prospect for vasquez and swisher?

    • metinDC23 says:

      lol apparently i took to long to post

      would they even want heilman- i feel like he makes our part less valuable.

      • dominicanboy08 says:

        believe or not other teams are interested in heilman, he has good stuff, 96MPH fastball, great change-up and an avg slider, but for a reason we all know he is not a fit in this team.

    • Gina says:

      I want to say they were looking for a left reliever at the deadline. If you switch out Heilman with either Scho or Feliciano, or send both, they might be interested.

  8. metinDC23 says:

    Castillo for Vasquez and Swisher. We’d be taking on a helluva lot of salary but get waaaay more talent back. Normally I’d say no chance but the ChiSox really really REALLY hate Vasquez. They’d also probably like to get rid of Swisher.

    • That’s because Swisher stinks. I like Vasquez, but I see no reason to take on Swisher.

      • metinDC23 says:

        B/C it would be necessary to get them to sign on.

        Swisher has some potential- I don’t think he’d be a total disaster.

        • starz31 says:

          he does have potential…but he was not that good last year and was hyped big time before the season to have a breakout year.
          He walks a lot…but he also gets out a lot.

        • metinDC23 says:

          I’m just saying if he helped bring us Vasquez without having to give up much in prospects AND get rid of Castillo then I think he’s worth it.

        • starz31 says:

          yea..i see your point. If he lessens our export…I’m all for it.

        • Gina says:

          I think Swisher’s potential is overrated by a lot of people, I’m not saying you do because I don’t know what you consider his potential, but if nothing else he’d be a useful option off the bench. He walks a lot, he was hurt by bad luck this year so his avg is going to rebound, he can play lf & 1b and bat left or right. I definitely would love to add him.

      • metsftw says:

        how does swisher stink? he’s had one bad year. he’s got great plate discipline and had terrible luck this past year.

  9. Wally Backman says:

    The deal that makes the most sense is Vasquez. The guy has pitched 200+ innings in all but one of his full seasons. That season he pitched 198 innings. He averages nearly a strikeout per inning and would benefit switching leagues and a change of scenery, I’m sure. Only two years left on his contract and he has pitched in New York before. He would be a nice fourth starter.

    • starz31 says:

      2 years left is the nice part…hes a good serviceable starter and has the potential to pitch great in games…but the 2 years is real nice cause its not that much risk long-term.

  10. metinDC23 says:

    How are jeremy hermidia and josh willingham on his list?

  11. dave27 says:

    More swap meet deals? They usually help neither team, and look like “Mets trade reliever Mel Rojas to Los Angeles for outfielder Bobby Bonilla.”

    That said Castillo’s contract is not as bad as some others…and could be moved for someone useful.

    • His contract is not that bad, but you also have to consider how useful Castillo will be… and I’m not sure other teams are very high on him (nor should they be).

    • starz31 says:

      thats the idea….we’re not looking to take on someone to bog us down for 3-4 years…more like a 1-2 year average to potential above-average player that fills a hole…

      Bonilla bogged us down for a decade with that contract…maybe even still, not sure.

  12. Wally Backman says:

    I’m sure Omar will be aggresive aquiring a solid arm for the 3rd/4th spot in the rotation. A fifth starter will be aquired late January. Perhaps an Edwin Jackson type or one of the many guys coming off of injuries like Penny, Clement, Mulder, Jennings, Prior etc could be had for an incentives laden contract. Pitching, Pitching, Pitching!

  13. metties1 says:

    How about Gary Matthews Jr for Castillo? I think the angels gave him a 5/50 deal 2 years ago, so he should have 3/30 left roughly. I believe is a right handed bat that can prob play left

    • starz31 says:

      yea i saw him listed in the globe article…He actually played well last year when he was healthy. He is coming off knee surgery (I think minor ) But he’s got pop and is a big doubles hitter not to mention very good in the field. very good.

    • Gina says:

      I think Matthews jr is actually less useful offensively than Castillo.

      • metties1 says:

        I read the globe article after confirming what I thought he had left on his contract. I knew LAA had him on the bench for the end of the season, but that article said he finished the season strong and he was coming off surgery.

        If LAA kicked in cash I’d do it. They might too because that have Kendrick at second now. I keep thinking about that sick catch GMJ made when he was playing center in Texas

  14. Wally Backman says:

    Matthews has three years to go. That’s too much salary to take on. Castillo is not handcuffing us as much as people think. he’s making 6 million a year. In the scheme of things that’s not the biggest deal in the world. A pitcher makes the most sense to aquire if he can be moved.

  15. alex.242 says:

    Trade delgado for a closer (putz or ryan) get teixeira 7 or 8 years at 130 0r 150 get rid of castillo, get beilmen, sign oliver perez for 3 years (option for 4) get burnett and last but certainly GET RID OF CASTILLO!!!!!!!!!!

  16. guierllNO MOta says:

    Trade Delgado for a closer he says….my question to Alex is where do you get your PCP?

    I know… trade Castillo for Pujols, then trade Delgado for Putz AND Bedard, make Daniel Muphy’s little arms grow, sign Tex and play Pujols as catcher, trade Schneider for Chase Utley….do it Omar, do it!!!!!! If Omar doesnt do those moves he should be fired!!!! haha, u guys crack me up, go be Yankee fans where fantasy is king.

    • Sylar says:

      So anyone suggesting trading Delgado for a closer is a fantasized fool??

      No one’s playing fantasy, you’re just an idiot.

      • Gina says:

        I think anyone who thinks someone is going to send us a closer for Delgado is probably being incredibly optimistic, what team looking to move a closer has a reason to want Delgado back?

        • Sylar says:

          Blue Jays. They aren’t satisfied with Overbay as their 1B, and there’s been rumors they’re trying to move B.J. Ryan.

        • Gina says:

          I don’t see them taking that deal, there’s too much of a risk of Delgado becoming Frank Thomas part II. Unless he hits the way he did the end of the season the entire year for them he’s going to be a downgrade from Overbay because of the huge difference in defense.

        • guierllNO MOta says:

          Sylar, really? i mean really? you probably think my trade proposals above are legit too right? yikes, get a clue people, you cant trade your trash for someone elses treasure, and while Delgado aint trash he aint worth more than another 38 year old OR a bad contract OR a meddling late-20’s minor leaguer

          The only other way to get rid of Delgado in a trade would be to a team who has “just one hole away” from contending and that hole is 1B…BUT, those guys arent giving up their closer if there just one player away.

          I iknow I read a report saying the Phils are just sick of Lidge being so good and will trade him for Castillo…go call Mike Francessa and get off these message boards, I am sick of them being clogged up with asinine comments like urs.

        • Sylar says:

          You just prove yourself to be more of an idiot everytime you post.

          Delgado for Ryan, while being favored towards the Mets, isn’t as godawful or unrealistic a trade proposal as you call it, and it certainly didn’t merit your worthless rant about fantasy.

          Get a clue.

    • metsftw says:

      wow, you’re retarded. no one’s said anything of the sort. i’m guessing you never got the whole “reading comprehension” thing when you were in school (or maybe you’re still in school because you’ve been held back?).

  17. coachdoc2002 says:

    How about sending Catillo to the Tigers for Dontrell. We take on some salary but they also get rid of an aweful contract.

    • Gina says:

      Eh, Willis is kind of a lost cause at this point IMO. He may be fixable but it would take a lot of work and I’m not sure the odds would be worth the amount of money we’d be taking on, considering we probably would even be able to use him as a starter this season so we’d still have holes to fill.

    • The Slider says:

      Why not Castillo to the White Sox for Vasquez instead. I’m concerned that Willis may be “done” as in “well done” as in “cooked” as in “finished.”

  18. WayneGarrett11 says:

    Yes, but if Dontrell can’t pitch, at least he can hit, especially with the bases loaded.

    Castillo & Scho for D-train

    or

    Castillo & Scho for Javier Vasquez

    And don’t be so quick to give up on Heilman. He’s still young cheap and has a 95+ mph fast ball with an above average change-up. Relievers are fickle they can have a terrible year and the next season have a great one.

    Unless your name is Scott Schowenweis

  19. The Slider says:

    I’m with you on Heilman. While most around here are emotionally spent on him, I think he poised to come back and have a great year, so long as his knee is ok.

  20. WayneGarrett11 says:

    Didn’t we release Gary Mathews Jr.?
    Why go there again, especially at 3/$30 mm?

    Eric Brynes is injury prone and D-backs hate Luis too.
    Swisher, why? Makes no sense.
    Ibanez? We need a righty bat, we were owned by lefties when D-Wright stopped hitting them.
    Julio Lugo? He’s a bigger headache and cost more than Luis.

    I think you can’t go wrong with pitching and I’ll take Willis, Robertson or Vazquez for Castillo and throw in Scho for balance.

    As for closers, I know Cordero can be had cheap, but he may not be available when the season starts. What about Jon Rausch? He was good as a Nat but not so good as a D-back

    OF help? Why not take a flyer on Juan Rivera? I know he stole Derek Jeter’s glove but that was awhile back. If anything, he can play some left and platoon with Murph and/or Church.

  21. guierllNO MOta says:

    that was ruben rivera no?

  22. WayneGarrett11 says:

    You know what, I think you’re right, it was Rueben, unless he changed his name to avoid embarrasement.

    So even more the reason to get him, he won’t cost a lot too.

  23. darkdinner says:

    Ok Bad contracts… How about Castillo to the Dodgers for Andruw Jones. Jones is due a similar amount of money but will be off the books after one season… is entering another contract year, is a right handed power bat, and, if stuck in left field, could make the trio of Jones/Beltran/Church the best defensive outfield in the game. I know he was a huge bust in LA, but the guy has a long history of success… i hated him with the braves, but give him the opportunity to redeem himself, and he could even net us a couple of draft picks in 2010.

  24. Bruce Boisclair says:

    Newest entry on Heyman’s blog: Phillies are aggressively pursuing Matt Holiday. Ugggh!

    • Gina says:

      They don’t have the prospects to get it done. Especially since they sent one of their two best prospect to Oakland for Blanton.

  25. stickguy says:

    5/50 for Hudson? Put that baby right on top of the “bad contract” list you were talking about. Heck, you’ll be trying to trade him in a year for Castillo to get out from under it.

    If they won’t Murphy the job, spend the money on another position (LF or 1B) and get a stop gap type. Grudzy, etc.

    • therealsince86 says:

      You guys are right on top of it. When Hudson is hitting .280 with 8 HR and almost nothing run production and getting paid 10 million a season? People will be trying to dump him and he will be LESS atractive than Castillo.

  26. stickguy says:

    I do Castillo for Jones, just for the time difference if nothing else. And if he gives you anything, a net plus!

    Besides, he can always be a defensive replacement and platoon partner for F Mart by mid season.

    ANd they do need a LF, correct?

  27. nrmax88 says:

    So we are going to trade Castillo, and then give out a longer, and even worse contract to Hudson? Brilliant./

    • therealsince86 says:

      My comment exactly. Silly idea. Go give out 2 times as much to another guy past his prime.

  28. phillyhater says:

    for the last time Omar, for god’s sake. Our 2nd basemen for next year, and 10 years following that is Daniel Murphy. Come on Omar, get your shyt together. Werent you taking notes from the Philthies last year? Youth is what wins you championships, and especially home grown youth. Its very simple. Why doesnt anyone seem to get this. Murph is a solid hitter, way beyond his years as far as maturity. But defense was the only question, and he is playing very smooth, slick defense at 2nd base out there in the Ariz Fall league, and not to mention how much his bat is on fire. Listen folks, last year was not a fluke with him. He is the real deal. Future all star. He will consistently hit .300 in his career and his power will develop with more experience. He will put up the same type of numbers, if not close to, as D wright does year after year.

    • Cactus says:

      he just made 2 errors. he’s not going to be able to play there at a major league level by april.

  29. therealsince86 says:

    5/50? Are you serious? No way I touch that for a declining player that puts up average numbers.

    Let Murphy have a chance and bring in a guy like Grudzy to back him up.

  30. therealsince86 says:

    I don’t mind the idea of bringing in Jones for Castillo. It’s one year hit or miss in LF and if he does not work out maybe other moves can be made.

  31. Andrew says:

    So, I have a crazy suggestion.

    It starts with a B and ends with arry Zito.

    Giants need a 2B because their options stink more than Castillo does. The Mets need a back-of-the-rotation starter. And Zito, though he had a disgusting year last year, showed flashes. Moreover, you can probably make the Giants pick up a good half of his contract.

    The problem with Zito has been that he lost the strike zone. But that’s something that can be fixed. From a pure “stuff” standpoint, Zito’s still pretty much there. Plus curve, plus change, bad fastball — basically as it’s always been. Posted his lowest HR rate in years last season. Take out the walks, and he’s a decent pitcher.

    I know we’re always wary of taking on projects (see: Zambrano), but some similar projects have worked out very well for the Mets (see: Maine, Perez, R. Hernandez, Oliver)

  32. Ed Q. says:

    No, the problem with Zito is FIVE years and over 100 MILLION left on the K. That’s not regular crazy, that’s something special crazy.

    Suggestions like Byrnes if the D’backs would really move him (friends in AZ seem to think it possible)

    Juan Pierre and Gary Matthews also aren’t that bad. Pierre had a down year but his speed is amazing and he is allegedly a great clubhouse guy. Hey, not complaining at all when benched in September showed some character.

    Dodgers also could use a 2B with Kent going bye bye and Hu or Dewitt not quite ready.

    Ramon Hernandez is a nice option too if the O’s move Brian Roberts.
    Ahh, this is fun. Also, helps stop the tears when I think about 08

  33. chico says:

    That’s why they aren’t trading Zito just yet. They haven’t had him long enough to justify eating that much of the contract. Once they’ve had him another 2 years or so, then they can eat a crapload of it and it won’t be that a big deal, but to eat half of the contract right now would be for only one year of pitching, and they will never do that.