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According to yesterday’s New York Post, Oliver Perez remains on Omar Minaya’s off-season radar.
Last night, in a post to a blog for the New 
York Times, Michael S. Schmidt provides details from the Book on Oliver Perez, made available to teams by his agent, Scott Boras.
According to Schmidt, the book is divided into eight chapters, such as: ‘Perez Turns Corner in 2006,’ ‘Perez Is One of Baseball’s Top 5 Left-Handed Starting Pitchers,’ ‘Big-Game Ollie,’ ‘Durable Ollie,’ ‘Perez Eats Innings,’ and ‘Dominates on the Biggest Stage.’
…i’m guessing boras skipped the chapters that could have been titled, ‘Ollie Under .500,’ and, ‘Errors and Wild Pitches: When the Wheels Come Off the Wagon.’…
According to a recent report from Ken Rosenthal at FoxSports.com, “The Mets probably would go to $12 million per season for Perez, but Boras almost certainly will want more for Perez than the Mariners gave right-hander Carlos Silva last offseason,” i.e., a four-year, $48 million contract.
Meanwhile, the Cubs are willing to give free-agent RHP Ryan Dempster a four-year contract, reports Rosenthal.
…in other words, if dempster gets a four-year deal, and silva got a four-year deal last year, the Mets are not bringing back oliver for anything less…in fact, it can be argued he should get more, which is hard to believe…
By the way, speaking of left-handed pitchers, in SI.com, Jon Heyman says the Mets are looking at free-agent LHP Randy Wolf, in addition to Perez and Derek Lowe.
Last week, in a poll on MetsBlog.com, 70 percent of voters said they would sign Perez to a three-year deal.
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I voted No, I wouldnt sign him right now.
I might do it in a month, two months. But not when Lowe is available and other options havent been closed.
Wolf would be an excellent guy for 5th starter. Considering he always beats the Mets, and teams like Atlanta will be needing starters…
Perez is still only 27 years old. He’s bound to pitch 200 innings throughout the duration of his new contract. Sure, he’s a little wild at times, but he also dominates our biggest rivals (Braves, Phillies and Yankees).
But he also rarely goes deep in games, taxing the bullpen….
What makes you think he is bound to pitch 200 innings when he has never done it?
I find it idiotic that these fans worry about Wilpon spending money. Ollie while not being the most consistent pitcher out there is certainly better then everyone out there with the exception of CC.
I agree Nate. Wolf would be a perfect, cost-effective replacement for Perez. You could probably get Wolf @ 2 years – $10 million and get just about the same production. 18 quality starts last season looks very good in the 5th starter spot.
Perez has a lot more value to the Mets than to some other teams because he is very effective against the Phillies.
0.35 ERA in 2008 vs the Phils in4 starts.
That is sick.
yup…I’m just worried that eventually they’ll figure him out, ya know?
I hear that. I also believe that a pitcher loses effectiveness when a team sees him 4 times/year. However, that shouldn’t stop you from getting the guy. Ollie is young enough right now where his best days as a starting pitcher could be ahead of him. I would bet on that, actually.
The analysis is missing something–Boras can’t dictate the length of contract unless he can find someone to give it. I’m not advocating collusion (which would violate the CBA), but if every team independently decided that Ollie was not worth a 4 year risk, Boras is powerless to get a contract of that length. Of course, unfortunately, there’s always some fool who will buy in.
yup. that’s never happened ever. there’s always someone who thinks the player is worth the extra year or is desperate enough to give in to boras, who has everyone by the balls.
ex: Kevin Millwood
He wanted something like a 6 year deal and ended up on a 1 year trial. Of course Texas overpaid for him the following off season, but he is one (rare) example of a guy who didnt land the huge deal Boras wanted.
Some of the other excerpts from the book are downright hilarious. Comparing Ollie to CC and Santana, and saying he’s on a career progression like Koufax. Completely laughable.
Also…WOLF!? No thanks.
He also says Ollie is an “innings-eater”. I’m pretty sure he averaged around 5 1/3 (or 2/3, can’t remember) innings per start last year…which is horrible.
Yup and never pitched 8 innings.
He did end the year with 194 total
True enough. Yet his inconsistancy ripped the pen apart. He was terrible against the average team, which are the teams that we struggled against all year. When your pitcher goes out and throws .1 innings and is replaced by the pen, you lose that game and are hurt for the next. I am sorry but a guy that averages 5 1/2 innings per start is not worth 4/48-60.
Maybe what he meant was Ollie is a “Cookie Monster”?
He may not be worth 4 years at 12/13 mill.. but the Mets will miss him if he’s not resigned.
This is going to be a tough call for them.
I think most mets fans went into the off-season as-suming Oliver wouldn’t be back. Part of our infatuation with Derek Lowe is that he’s the anti-oliver. Goes out and throws the same game every time.
I like “when the wheels come off the wagon.” I can’t watch or listen to ollie’s starts because once that first infield hit or ill-advised throw to second by oliver that goes into center field happens, it’s game over. Good riddance
Derek Lowe is 10 years older then Ollie.. and his right handed not left.. and we play the phils 20 plus times a year, who have two of the best left handed hitters in all of baseball in their lineup.
Derek Lowe is not a suitable replacement for Ollie.
LOL, not going there today. You are obsessed with the Phillies. Lowe would be a great addition to the Mets. If you care about a LHP so much then sign Randy Wolf for much cheaper or let Niese take the #5.
Why does everyone love Derek Lowe? He’s Ok.. he’s not great..
I know we need to beat the Phils if we want to win the NL East again… so yes.. pitchers that do well against them.. are valuable.
I mean let’s face it.. we’ve given out a lot worse contracts to players when 4 years 12 million for a 27 year old lefty.
We did fine against the Phillies last year, it was our inability to beat the crappy teams that lost it for us. Perez was part of both.
As for Lowe, his numbers across the board are better than Ollie. Look at his WHIP and that should tell the entire story. He is much older and I would be catious with anything more than a 3 year deal.
the phills lost in the reg season against us but went on to win the world series….the phills won the nl east with a losing record against us.
I would not mind having Ollie back if he would take a contract for what he is worth. A 5 inning pitcher that has never been consistant and has never thrown 200 innings.
Something like 3/33 would be appropriate.
lol while imo he is worth less than that but 3/33 would give boras a heart attack lol. Im with gina on this one and i think you too real to let him go and take the pix
4th’d.
just thinking…quiet rumors about rowand possibly being on the block…would it make sense for the mets to trade for him for left field?
I think Randy Wolf might be a very good guy to pick up. He had respectable numbers last season, is LH and should not cost anywhere near the years or cash as some other guys.
Johan, Pelfrey, Vasquez, Wolf, Maine would not be terrible. I would also not cost us picks and actually averages slighty more innings per start as Perez. He also has a decent K rate strking out 162 in 191 innings.
He also played half his games in Petco last year… he’s no better then a 4 at best.
So, what is your point? You want us to sign all #1’s?
Wolf would be a good addition to the staff because he is low risk. He most likely is only seeking a 2 year deal worth 8 million or so a year.
I really don’t want Randy Wolf on this team. Only way I would be behind it is if we brought the Wolf Pack to NY. Would be good retribution for Ya Gotta Believe.
Look at his numbers for last season. He’s not that old and would be cheap. Not a bad guy at all to have as your #5 while Niese matures. He’s also a guy that if needed could pitch out of the pen as he has a decent K rate.
I have to say, I looked at them before and am shocked by his K-Rate. He is basically a soft tossing lefty. Very interesting.
Maybe Omar will bring Glavine back :-)
The “Koufax Progression” isn’t absurd. Alot of guys are on the KP. For 6 seasons Sandy went from flashes of brilliance to a ticket home on the next greyhound. From 61-66, it’s obvious they named the best pitcher in baseball award after the wrong guy.
Please just take the draft picks and forget about Ollie and his 100 some walks a year.
bingo
Agreed, I am not sure I want the only addition to the rotation to be 5 inning Ollie.
Question- if we let Ollie go and get the draft picks are they protected? Or do we lose the first round pick if we draft a second type A?
If they are protected it should be a no-brainer to not resign him.
you mean if we sign a type A?
I’m as-suming we’re gonna sign at least 1 type A. If we sign second and let Ollie go do we lose the pick we got from Ollie for that second FA?
I would as sume that if we let Ollie go that we net a 1st round and a supplemental pick.
If we sign a type A then we lose a first round pick. Thus by letting him go we get a supplemental either way?
They are protected.
The Mets will get compensation for Perez in the form of a 1st (or 2nd) round pick, and a compensation round pick.
If the Mets sign Lowe, they give the Dodgers the Mets 1st round pick, and a compensation round pick. But they cant get the Mets compensation pick, its a new pick.
A team cant lose its compensation round pick in exchange for signing a new player, they would lose later round picks 2nd, 3rd, on down.
So if the Mets and Dodgers ‘exchanged’ Perez for Lowe as free agents, the would swap 1st round picks (as long as no better free agents are signed by either team) and each team would get a compensation round pick.
I think we should ante up for Ollie. As someone above said, we’ve given out a lot worse contracts…Mo Vaughn, Luis Castillo, Bobby Bonilla…I think if the Mets retain Ollie and sign Lowe (I know, a lot of $$ on starting pitching) and flip Heilman, Castillo, and possibly Karp/Evans for some relievers we’d be in a good place.
Just because we’ve given out really bad contracts in the past doesn’t mean we should be okay with giving out sorta bad contracts now.
Why spend 12-14 mill for Ollie when you can spend 18-20 mill on CC?
Except for the idea that he will most likely get 25 a year. The Yankee’s will get CC.
Big game Ollie? Tell Boras to look at his numbers in the last two Septembers. I dont want this guy on the Mets anymore. Good riddance.
Seriously that game against the Cubs were he coughed up a 6 run lead sorta kills his big-game rep for me.
But, but, he was good against the Phillies?
Here we go again with Boras. What about Natasha?
That killed me. Well played.
I wouldn’tmind Ollie like most people are saying. But the fact is he’s erratic and you don’t know what your going to get every game.
Not that said, would i take him over guys like Wolf and others that are out there I wouldn’t mind. And 12-13 million for 4 years for a 27 year old isn’t asking a lot. But again he will probably ask for and get more then that from some team that’s pitching desperate, which the mets aren’t.
The mets already have 3 SP’s on the roster. There are more and more guys going out there and being made available through trade. So Filling in the final 2 spots won’t be that hard. You just have to hope whoever the Mets pick up are healthy for most of their contract, because outside Lowe, Garland and Ollie all the other have major injury risks attached.
this is what i want the mets to do regarding SP this offseason:
sign CC
and give livan hernandez a one year deal for $1mil. this guy usually starts good then falls off. hopefully he’ll last long enough to give Niese a chance to develop more in the minors and eat up enough innings between him, CC, Santana and Pelf to not tax the bullpen
When u pitch eratic like Perez did in his contract year what does that tell u?