Links: Doc, Holt, and Bobby Bo

November 7, 2008 at 12:50 pm · 28 comments

by Regis Courtemanche

At the blog Tornadic Activity, El Juglar recaps an interview he attended with Dwight Gooden yesterday, writing:

“The funniest moment of the night came when an audience member asked of the three distinct hair styles Doc sported during his career (close cut, flat top and jheri curl), which did he prefer. Doc thought about it and then said “definitely the flat top”.”

…just let your soul glo doc…

Eric Stashin at Gotham Baseball says that Brad Holt may be another Joba Chamberlain type player.

At NY Mets Report, John Delcos asks his readers the popular question, “What to do with Heilman?”.

For those of you who have been wondering what former Mets OF Darryl Hamilton has been up to, check out this article at the New York Times to find out more about baseball’s senior specialist for on-field operations.

Lastly, Eric Simon at Amazin’ Avenue continues his list of all-time Mets:

“#34 Bobby Bonilla: Whatever the perception of Bonilla the player, everyone wanted him and the Mets got him. He finished in the top three of the NL MVP voting in his final two years in Pittsburgh and was an All-Star in his final four seasons with the Pirates.”

…i was having such a good friday before recalling bobby bo memories, thanks eric…

{ 28 comments }

stilltheEWM November 7, 2008 at 1:10 pm

How is Holt anything like Joba? He has no injury history at all…

Cactus November 7, 2008 at 1:30 pm

Yea….he could be Chamberlain. or he could be Kane Davis.

starz31 November 7, 2008 at 1:33 pm

Read the article…

dominicanboy08 November 7, 2008 at 1:16 pm

holt should be competing for a bullpen spot in ST. maybe we have a good reliever down there and we dont know..

Gina November 7, 2008 at 1:32 pm

Putting him in the bullpen would hurt his development. We want him to develop more pitches which he isn’t likely to do if he’s only pitching every couple of days and only for a few outs at a time.

Chan Ho Parking Lot November 7, 2008 at 1:39 pm

This is true, but if he can be almost as dominant out of the bullpen as Joba Chamberlain, then it’s a very enticing option. Of course, this would mean his chances of going back to starting would be very slim ala Aaron Heilman.

Gina November 7, 2008 at 2:15 pm

Joba had 3-4 developed pitches when he was drafted and 3 of them were considered plus pitches, I believe, by the time he was put into the bullpen. It makes sense to put starting prospects in the bullpen when they’re sort of on the edge of being major league ready to ease them, and their arms, into pitching against big leaguers, but Holt at this point isn’t that far advanced. From what I’ve read he still relies too heavily on his fastball.

ravi3 November 7, 2008 at 2:45 pm

Holt began throwing a curveball during the summer at Brooklyn, which improved with each start. Not only did his command improved, but each time out, the curve showed more and more downward break. If he can continue to refine that pitch, as well as his “split finger changeup”, Holt may become something special.

Hopefully, they don’t trade him for Adam Eaton.

dominicanboy08 November 7, 2008 at 1:40 pm

oh, I thought he was a reliever, but if the mets see him as a starter I agree he should pitch more inns and develop secondary pitches.

Gina November 7, 2008 at 2:10 pm

I have no idea what the Mets see him as, most scouts seem him as a reliever. But considering we spent a first round pick on him I would hope the Mets see him and plan on developing him as a potential starter.

Tidewater November 7, 2008 at 1:26 pm

Holt is not Chamberlain, he is Holt. Why even mention the two of them together?

starz31 November 7, 2008 at 1:33 pm

Did you read the article? My guess is no.

Gina November 7, 2008 at 1:37 pm

I read the article and the comparison seemed more ridiculous after wards.

Tidewater November 7, 2008 at 1:39 pm

We’re two peas in a pod, Gina!

hotchipwillbreakyourlegs November 7, 2008 at 2:08 pm

can i join the pod? the comparison made little sense other than the fact that joba was picked 41 and holt 33. Aside from that, even the last paragraph of the piece admits that holt probably won’t be another joba.

Tidewater November 7, 2008 at 2:22 pm

Welcome to the pod.

Tidewater November 7, 2008 at 1:38 pm

yes I did. there are plenty of people who have fit that description over the many many years of baseball. Let Holt be Holt. Let Chamberlain be Chamberlain. Forcing comparisons is just asking for trouble. Let’s look at their body types as a first point of departure. Let’s look at their control as a second. They are not the same. Yes, they were both sandwich picks. So was David Wright. Maybe Holt is like David Wright.

They are not similar enough (Holt and Joba) to warrant comparison. The are sandwich pick pitchers who both struck out a ton of guys in their first year as professionals. That is a weak point of reference and unfair to both men.

starz31 November 7, 2008 at 1:48 pm

You guys both missed the whole point of the comparison.

Which was that Joba was put on the fast-track to the majors. Both players performed very well in single A…and while Joba rose in the same year of his minor league debut, he was in single A from the start of the season, which Holt was not in 2008 but will be starting at some level from the beginning of 2009.

But, like Joba with the yankess in 2007, Holt could prove to be a big mid-season pickup in 2009.

And if Holt perform anything close to Joba…we will be very pleased.

Tidewater November 7, 2008 at 1:51 pm

Sure, but when you “compare” them you’re inviting people to, you know, compare them.

Gina November 7, 2008 at 2:16 pm

Joba had 3-4 pitches when he was drafted, three of them which are considered potential plus pitches. That kind of makes a huge difference.

Chan Ho Parking Lot November 7, 2008 at 2:26 pm

How in the world was he selected 41st? A starting pitcher with 3 plus pitches, one of which being a 98MPH fastball sounds like a top 5 pick to me. Maybe teams had concerns about his health?

starz31 November 7, 2008 at 2:30 pm

not sure if that was sarcastic chan ho, but if not…i think it was something to do with his frame and sign-ability .

That said, Holt is being described as having a good repertoire but his command needs to improve.

I know the comparison talent-wise may not be warranted…but if he can perform like he did in single A, I could see the arrival and impact comparison being very similar.

Gina November 7, 2008 at 2:31 pm

I’m pretty sure it was health, injury concerns because of his weight, he also had had knee surgery the summer before, and sign ability.

Cactus November 7, 2008 at 1:31 pm

Bonilla was a good player for the Mets after his first year, and he brought back a stud prospect when he was dealt.

Problem is that everyone only remembers that very disappointing first year. The guy was not a bad Met.

starz31 November 7, 2008 at 1:37 pm

this is great…I was wondering about this the other day.

from wiki:
“When the New York Mets placed Bonilla on unconditional waivers in 2000, they agreed to pay out the remainder of his contract by deferring the remaining $5.9 million, instead giving him 25 equal payments of $1,193,248.20 each July 1 from 2011 to 2035, for a total of $29,831,205.[3]“

jamie November 7, 2008 at 1:54 pm

just amazing.

alex.242 November 7, 2008 at 1:55 pm

bobby bonilla had 1 1/2 good year with the mest.. that is if you consider 1993 a good season when we lost 102 GAMES!! He batted 265 with 34 hrs but only 87 rbis. then in 1994 th estrike season he was doing better 290. 20 hr but he only had 67 rbs in 108 games. he never was cluch!! and his atittude problems in NY never help.. HORRIBLE SIGNING!!! but then again, we all wanted him..

hotchipwillbreakyourlegs November 7, 2008 at 2:10 pm

by 2011, the dollar won’t be worth the paper it’s printed on. The mets will make out like bandits.

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