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According to Jon Heyman, at SI.com, “The world champion Phillies are one of the most aggressive pursuers of Rockies superstar outfielder Matt Holliday.”
…man, that sentence hurts on so many levels…thanks, jon…
Heyman believes the Rockies will most certainly request OF Shane Victorino, adding, “Several teams have shown interest, including the A’s, Mets and Rays, but so far it appears the Phillies may have the best chance among those teams.”
…hmm, tough one…seriously, i would almost rather the Phillies have holliday than victorino, that’s how damaging and irritating victorino has been…whereas holliday, who knows…
By the way, Rockies reporter Troy E. Renck, in the Denver Post, continues to write that the Phillies and A’s are the most likely destination for Holliday.
…holliday is just what the doctor ordered for the Mets in left field…but, when names like Carlos Carrasco, victorino, Phil Hughes, Robinson Cano, etc., are mentioned in hypothetical deals, i am not sure what the Mets could offer, without hurting their chances of trading for a starting pitcher or relief pitcher, or some other more pressing need…
So basically, they’d swap one guy with ballpark-inflated numbers for another?
Holliday would make the Phillies’ offense terrifying…
1. Rollins SS
2. Utley 2B
3. Holliday LF
4. Howard 1B
5. Werth CF
6. Jenkins RF
7. Feliz 3B
8. Ruiz C
9. P
Then again, Holliday would OUR lineup just as terrifying for opponents :)
1. Reyes SS
2. Hudson 2B (if Omar’s able to rid us of Slappy)
3. Wright 3B
4. Delgado 1B
5. Holliday LF
6. Beltran CF
7. Church RF
8. Castro/Schneider C
9. P
Looking at it on paper, that actually looks MORE terrifying than the Phillies’ lineup…
That’s what I call a DEEP lineup…
I don’t think Beltran will be in the 6 hole
yeah, but think of how many balls drop in with that crappy OF!
Why? Beltran is a Gold Glove CF while Ryan has very good range coupled with one of the best arms in the NL. Holliday is no different than Murphy/Evans platoon.
beltrans a gold glover and we saw church play very good d and holliday is prob a little underated as an of.
I’m pretty sure he was talking about the multiple gold glove winners in the Phillies outfield: Werth, Holliday, and Jenkins
Reading it over, you’re right CITI.
Sorry to stick..
And if you thought his home/away splits were dramatic in Coors just wait till he moves to that wiffle-ball park.
c’mon…cbp isnt worse than coors…his avg wont be 80 points higher at cbp although he may hit a few more hrs….the big reason why coors is such a joke is not bc of the hrs but bc it is so big and leaves the chance for so many balls to drop in
The ball does fly out of Coors, and it is a huge ballpark. But, if we’re talking ballparks, Coors is anything but a joke (even though I know you were referring to how it plays). It is my favorite of the new ballparks that I have seen….PNC, CBP, AT&T Park. Great people, good food, and nice city.
shea is rated higher than citizens bank park
why won’t it let me post a link?
with that joke left-center gap, he’ll hit 60 homers.
holliday would crush in that lineup. As irritating and thorny as victorino is, he’s half the hitter Holliday is. I def don’t want to see that go down.
I would love to see Victorino go as well but to replace him with Holliday…man. A man of Holliday’s talent would almost be worse than Victorino. And damn, a line up that includes Rollins, Utley, Howard AND Holliday…you can’t deny it’s scary.
The worst part is, for me, that I actually love Holliday. So, to see him in a Phillies uniform would be terrible!!
Not to continue ranting but I did see that Buster Olney is perhaps the only person predicting Holiday does not move. Aruging that, today the West is still a “winable” division for Colorado and that, if they found they were out of it by July Holliday would then be traded.
Makes sense. Unless they get a package this offseason that blows them out of the water.
I think it makes sense to move him right now. Especially to a team that has been bad, but could use a big stick in the lineup and give it a shot for a year.
Even though they were good last year, what about Tampa? Could they trade some young talent for Holliday? Lord knows they have lots and lots of it.
that makes too much sense!
Yea, Tampa has tons of young talent but they don’t need Holliday, they are already crowded at OF anyway. Plus, their current OFers don’t have large contracts, so it keeps their overall team salary down.
The idea of Holiday in a Phillies uniform scares the crap outta me though. Even if we did land Lowe, Ollie, KRod and Hudson (and that’s best case scenario), the Phillies would still be a clear favorite in the Division. Sorry all, just being honest here.
If Victorino is being mentioned … then why not Church?
who they gonna trade for holliday that’s worht it? michael bourn was their superstar.. just go and ask houston how that work out???
They’d trade a lot of their prospects, only way it would happen…Victorino would prolly have to go, but so would their top prospect whoever that is.
Point being, their farm would take a big hit in that trade, especially since they gave up a lot for Blanton.
does a guy like endy have any value at this point…i mean the philles were able to trade a similar player in bourn for a great closer last year…why can’t we include endy in a deal for putz…maybe endy church and heilman for putz…i mean is that an unfair deal…i honestly think that heilman will be good next year wherever he ends up
bourn was the prospect, endy is a 5th outfielder not a prospect….in other words, bourn wasnt too good but had the potential to be, stil ldoes, with Endy, you know what you get, at 29 he aint a prospect.
I think endy, church, and heilman is too much for a closer coming off a bad year. We could get better for heilman, especially if teams are going to use him as a starter.
B/c Victorino has added value for being a good defensive CF as well as coming up big in the 2008 playoffs.
Victorino is a very good CF’er … yes. He also was not a CF’er until last season. Church is a guy who can also play CF.
Church and Niese for Matt Holliday.
that’s… no. just no. wow that’s a horrible trade thought. victorino is better than church.
reality called
What makes Victorino SO much better than Church?
no one said he is “SO” much better than Church…. but he is better and Niese is considered a mediocre prospect to what the phillies could offer. Also, I doubt that it would just be 2 players to begin with.
He’s a switch hitter, he’s better defensively (a gold glove CF is usually considered as better than a RF who can play CF) and he just kept getting hits in big spots last year.
Plus Victorino is 2 years younger.
OK fine … they like Heilman … add him to the deal and another lesser prospect.
You know … last off season I was the one on here saying the Mets could get Santana without giving up F-Mart. A bunch of people told me that “reality called” too.
iamatwork:
They are close defensively. Victorino steals bases … Church has more power. Did Victorino win the Gold Glove?
oh you were the ONE, ok Messiah…I will never doubt you again…
geez man, were you also saying that you knew the Yankees and red sox would pull out of the Santana sweepstakes? Did you also know Tatis would have a great year?
This trade IS NOT SANTANA. This is a guy under control a couple years, not a guy who is basically demanding a big contract and who will hit free agency soon..they have no absolute need to trade him.
yes Victorino won the gold glove
That was because.. 1. Santana only wanted to go to a limited number of teams (no trade clause). 2. There was only a limited number of teams that could afford to give him an extension.
I did not say anything about “messiah” … did I? Relax.
Holliday has one year on his contract. That’s it. That’s what you’re missing.
I can’t fault the Twins on that deal…they couldn’t afford Johan and they got a really good future CF…Gomez struggled at times but he was fantastic in the field and with his arm plus he flashed speed and potential power. (even hit for the cycle too) Gomez will be a good one.
mikey_FF, you didn’t say anything about messiah but you were trying to say because you predicted a FMart-less trade that you should be trusted in this trade.
He has one year, yup…my bad, but as others have pointed out after you, there was a LOT more to the Santana trade than this.
You are being one of those callers on the fan with horrible trade offers…. they would never do that trade, niese/church/heilman + other …. especially against victorino/top prospect/+ 2 other good prospects….sorry
rose,
Actually. Holliday is on the last year of a two year contract which takes him through his arbitration years. It will be a walk year I believe. I don’t think he has a no trade clause so there would be a lot more competition for his services… unlike Santana.
Not saying I should be trusted … more making a point that things that sound “stupid” to you are not necessarily “stupid”.
good point metlifer
mikey_FF , please see below, you need to take criticism better
Again … nothing to do with taking criticism. There is a difference in disagreeing respectfully and being insulting.
You can definitely fault Minnesota for that deal, they way overplayed their hand. They were offered better packages earlier but tried to hold out for better deals and ended up with us as basically their only option.
You know If the Phils want to empty out their cupboard for 1 year of Matt Holiday, then good for them.T
The Phils don’t like to break the bank. Holiday is areped by Scott Boras, so he is going to the highest bidder. Delgado is going to be cut loose next year, so that money will either go to a guy like Holiday or Jason Bay. I can also see the Redsox being hot for Holiday with that right handed bat to crush balls into the Monster.
one year rental.
you’re right, why not? maybe he’s scary because of his potential health issues, but he’s a better hitter than vic…though vic is younger…
I’d do a church package for holliday in a second.
Yeah … I’d do it too. I could live with getting a cheap platoon partner to play with Endy in RF if Holliday and Beltran are in the other two spots.
Maybe look into Byrnes to platoon with Endy in right field.
Church and Niese for Holliday.
I’d do that in a split-second.
do it omar!
Byrnes throws like a… left fielder. He has no business in right. After we deal the farm for Holliday, how do you propose we get Byrnes?
Omar wouldn’t hesitate if it was that simple of a trade. The Rockies GM however would prolly be tar’d and feathered.
It’s been well covered that Byrnes has a bad contract so it would not take a lot to get him. As far as his arm … that’s why I said he’d platoon with Endy.
of course it’s not that simple, but since we’re all blowing smoke here anyway…all I’m saying (in agreeing with mikey) is that if it’s true Holliday could be had for a package built around victorino, the same should be true for church. They’re near enough in value, and we do, in fact, have other movable parts to go with him. Holliday in this lineup…man.
I don’t know why it’s like a mortal sin to propose idea’s on this site. People just love to have their panties in a bunch.
Its not a mortal sin, its just a bad trade offer….ever listen to the people who propose horrible trades on WFAN? I do and I can’t believe how bad some are….. aka- you
if at any point you say “i would do that” it is because NO CR-AP you would do it….good trades always have u saying “well, maybe, i guess so” if you say “yeah id do it,” without even a minute of thinking it is because its too weighted in one direction (the mets in this case) which mean IT WONT HAPPEN, cause the GM of every team is smarter than YOU, and if you can see it, they saw it months ago.
As for Johan, your highness, if any other team offered even ONE prospect he wouldnt be a Mets but the SOx, Dodgers and Yankees all refused to offer ANY propsects better than Gomez, period, thats whta happened he fell into our laps, so be greaftul Kemp Hughes and Ellsbury meant too much to their teams to be included in a package.
Another guy with his panties in a bunch. I don’t know why I even bother.
hi Mikey…just a thought…you do realize the point of a comments section right?
All of us have said something that others didn’t like…its called opinions…
see, I could post what I want the mets to do, but I am honest w/ myself in knowing most of it is a pipe dream, even if they could do it, its not a video game and the mets don’t just do anything…its a lot more complicated.
Its probably you with the panties in a bunch because get this..you can’t take criticism!!
Face it … there is nothing that anyone says on here that everyone will agree with. It has nothing to do with being able to take criticism. It is the outright nasty attitude that people sling at you when they don’t agree.
it’s the hot stove. I really don’t think anyone here thinks they’re smarter than the rest of baseball, but we’re talking smack and tossing around ideas. Again: if vic is a starting point in a potential trade for holliday, then church should be too, and I would do either of those trades (vic or church + whatever).
no mikey, you just need to have a backbone..
my initial comment was “reality called”
I didn’t call you names..I was saying what can be said as a funny comment by most…. it was my opinion…people are MOSTLY on here not downright nasty..they may have smarta-s-s way of remarking things but you need to learn to handle that
You don’t know me bro. Don’t start talking about backbones. That’s what I mean. Comments like that … like you know me.
ok…talk to you is hopeless, you are obviously an internet tough guy who can’t tell the difference between criticism (and in a fun sarcastic way) and being made fun of…. good luck in life
How am I being an internet tough guy? I didn’t make any personal comments toward you. You made a personal comment to me and I said you don’t know me. How is that being an internet tough guy?
My life is fine, thanks though.
keep in mind usually if theres a trade that you would do in a second it means that the other team wouldn’t do it…makes sense right
no way – get the head re-examined
church is a young low cost, one of best RF in the game, led our team in every offensive category (save for sb) in first 2 months
for 1 yr of holliday?
now i agree i’d love to have holliday, but you have to think about the future. what position does that deal put us in next yr? having to find 2 corner OFs?
re-examined? no way, they screwed it up too much the first time!
Church is a fine player, but Holliday’s one of the best hitters in the game, a plus defender, and a year younger. and the Mets obviously can afford to re-up him.
Church hasn’t proven anything besides having a good pre-injury start for the Mets. After the injury he was just mediocre. Right now.. his trade value is nil.
Simple friend. Victorino is a winner and Church is an injury prone loser.
basis for this argument? church goes all out they same as victorino – he just happened to get kneed in the head twice (once by teammate and once by braves ss) is it his fault he got injured?
Yea kinda on the collision with Escobar.
I’d rather the Phillies have Holliday than Victorino because Holliday is a free agent in 2010, and would probably leave the Phillies for a more lucrative offer. Victorino would be annoying for years to come.
ppl, victorino is just NOT that good. he’s a scrappy lil players who hits due to that joke of a ballpark.. trade him for HOLLIDAY??? if colorado does this MLB should investigate them!!!
not saying i don’t want to agree, but you should watch more games… he is scrappy but had a good playoffs, decent w/ the bat, great in the field and his defense probably helped philly to a few wins….
victorino in the playoffs hit 269!!!! in the world series he went 5-20.. 2 rbis.. 1 bb 4 kk’s.. i should watch???
weird…i do have to say i said “DECENT WITH THE BAT” wow dude…he won game 2 of the NLDS for them, he made some great catches and even tied that game against hte dodgers to go up 3-1
I never said Victorino was better than Holliday. I simply said I would prefer to deal with Holliday for one year as opposed to Victorino for several.
I think Lou Marson, a catcher, is their prized prospect. Not sure who else, but I don’t think they have a killer farm system.
marson is their prized prospect????? wow, he’s supposed to be the next mike piazza, aftetr he was drafted in 2004 he’s average .275 ba and last year he hits 5 hr in 320 + at bats!!!! please he’s way over hyped
Well go read their Web site and tell us differently. He’s the reason they didn’t deal for Holliday over the summer. Because they wouldn’t give him up. He’s young, man, give him a chance. I guess he should be hitting .390 with 44 HR? Like Fernando Martinez? Oh, wait.
He also just turned 22 and hit .314 with a .433 OBP in AA this year. I think any catcher who gets on base like that is going to be fairly highly regarded.
To do this trade, the Phils will have to deal Victorino and 2-3 prospects. This will cripple their farm system and they will lose a lot defensively.
You mean unlike the Mets who crippled their farm to get Santana? Maybe some teams have lots of prospects. Not everybody hjas a lousy farm like Minaya has given us.
Did we really cripple our farm system? We gave away Humber and Mulvey who have been pretty unspectacular in the Twins minor leagues. And Carlos Gomez lost his starting job for his inability to make contact and get on base. Guerra is too young to project, so who knows at this point. Bottom line, if Humber, Mulvey, Gomez and Guerra were still here, they’d still be ranked behind Fmart, Flores, and maybe even Niese.
The majority of teams do have a much better farm system than us, the Phils just aren’t one of those teams. Especially since they traded one of their top 3 prospects for friggin Joe Blanton. The phils are one of the few teams who’s farm system we can say is worse than ours.
It wold be interesting tosee if the inherently cheap Phils try to sign him long term. Theer is already talk that they move Howard because he is making too much money, and wouldn’t sign a deal to buy out his arb years.
Hmm., get ballsy and trade for Holliday, then move Howard for a big package of talent to replace what they lost?
True though that they don’t have much in the farm behind marston and Carasco.
Thats what I’m thinking…the Phils actively pursuing Holliday, and giving him the deal he is looking for, would pretty much mean the end for Howard in Philly
Good point…Holliday will be looking for a BIG deal. Especially if he gets put up bigger power numbers playing in that park.
Cano? More teams would want Daniel Murphy than Robinson Cano now.
He was horrible this year, but the kid has a lot of potential to be a poor-mans chase utley. He just needs to put his head on straight.
Cano was a top prospect who batted 350 a year ago, most people will say that 2008 PROBABLY, not def, was an abberation for him.
Most baseball epople will look at Muphy and say “who is this, whered he come from, he wasnt even a prospect” and think his 2nd half was an abberation.
remember this is why we took a chance on guys like Endy, OP, Sanchez, and even the bad ones like Burgos….cause it IS usually smart to pick up former prospects who have had a little trouble in their young career (see Carlos Pena, Adrian Gonzalez, Chris Young, etc)…where as it is NOT smart to pick up guys who werent prospects who had career years (or half years)…I mean how much do you think Ludwick’s stock is worth? nada, and he was an allstar who did it all year, but he was a nobody who “broke out”, those guys usually come back to earth….see Brad Wilkerson, Brady Clark, Gary Matthews, Coco Crisp, Jason Michaels, etc.
Cano’s 2008 wasn’t an abberation. He’s a very very streaky hitter. The year he hit 340, he hit somthing like 300 before the break and got red hot after (360ish). his rookie year he was red hot after the break as well. he’s a horribly slow starter. Even last year he had a .246 first half and a .307 2nd half.
I really dislike players like that personally, and I know Teixeria is one of those, and i want him on the Mets if at all possible. But the thing Teixeria brings if he isn’t hitting is Gold Glove First base play, something the mets haven’t had since John Olerud and Keith Hernandez.
I agree with your guys who “Broke out” or had career years as an aberration. But becuse the guy isn’t a top prospect doesn’t mean he can’t be a great ball player. many Many MANY players in MLB weren’t even close to top prospects. Johan santana wan’t, Pedro Wasn’t, Mike Piazza barely made it to the minors and that was a favor from tommy lasorda. But I would be weary of a guy who did it for one year, i’d rather a guy who has done it for 2 or 3.
Also guys like Gonzalez and Chris Young never struggled, Gonzalez was blocked in Texas by Teixeria, and Young they were stupid and traded, this is why Texas stinks. And as far as i believe Ludwick was once a top prospect who had a few injuries. So the talent was always there, a la Josh Hamilton.
Cano was never really a top prospect. If you look at his minor league stats, they are nothing special. He kind of just came out of nowhere just like it appears Dan Murphy is doing for us.
Cano has only regressed since 2006. He still can’t take a walk and therefore is living and dying off his batting average. He needs to be poked and prodded along to be a decent player. At some point, he needs to do that himself.
Maybe you can offer Heilman and Castillo for Matt.
And the Phils don;t give Howard a long term deal because he is one dimensional, overweight and and old for a guy with so few years under his belt.
I doubt that very much. Cano is still seen as a high upside player who has focus/commitment issues. I imagine there are plenty of teams who think they could coach it out of him.
At some point, Cano is going to have to do that himself.
Even if that is the case, it’s not going to change the fact that he can’t walk for his life. He relies heavily on his BA to put up a half decent OBP.
I agree, but there are plenty of teams in the league who seem to still not have any idea what OBP means.
We would have a better chance of gettng Holliday than them, IMO. The only advantage they may have is their top ranked pitching prospect is more highly regarded than Niese and the Rockies want pitching back.
Gina give me a package that you would find reasonable in exchange for Holiday?
Reasonable for us or reasonable for them? With the current state of our farm system I think any package we sent to them would have to start with the names Pelfrey or Maine.
I meant “reasonable” as in not the usual biased trade proposal that would include a package of Eny Chavez, Bobby Parnell and Nick Evans.
That is what I feared. Pelfrey or Maine. I do think we could get some one big if we dangle Maie out there. I am not sold on Maine in the long term. He has been having trouble with his work load. I think we could sell high with him in the right deal with the right team.
The thing is, his value is not as high right now as it was last off season. He is coming off surgery and teams might be a bit scared off at this point. Not to mention the regression in terms of wildness and pitch economy. If we traded him now, he wouldn’t fetch as much as we would like.
I agree and have said the same thing before. If we’re going to try and make a big trade move it should involve Maine, he’s effective sort of young and under control cheaply for a while which should make him attractive to some teams, but there’s a lot of question marks surrounding him that could cause his value to drop from where it is now.
Not to mention we already have two holes in the rotation, and doesn’t starting pitching win championships? Saying this, I am still not a fan of maine and would welcome a trade for the right price, while we also sign garland and pick up vasquez
Does anyone else want this to happen? I mean short term no since it would make the phillies a very good team this year. But if the give a bunch of prospects and Holliday walks after this year it would hurt the phillies down the road. I can’t see the phillies being able to offer him a long term deal with having to pay howard and hamels.
I agree. I think it really hurts them in the long term.
giving up victorino would be a terrible move by them… even if it is for holiday.
Holliday would be an improvement over Pat Burrell but at a great cost. The Phillies are hemorrhaging money and youth.
1.) According to Dierkes, the roster will go up in price a lot without changing any of it.
2.) They have already recently dumped Adrian Cardenas, Josh Outman and Matt Spencer, Michael Bourn, Geoff Geary and Mike Costanzo. Now they might have to get rid of their top prospect Carlos Carrasco and the young CF Shane Victorino.
3.) Matt Holliday can be had for only one year at that contract price and the team may not be able to afford him for an extension or a re-signing.
I completely agree. I mean, its not like they didn’t win the world series this year. I say let them give up the future for one more year. What do they have in the OF after next year without victorino or holliday? Answer not much, and also a depleted farm system. Should start a campaign, Holliday to the Phillies!! I think mets fans would probably kill me.
Here it comes – the downward spiral!
Holliday to the Phillies, and Minaya will still be talking up Castillo.
As if any GM in their right mind wants him, or for that matter, any of the other losers to be found on our inflated payroll. Sho, Heilman, Vargas, Niese, Murph, Evans, Delgado, Schneider, Church or Tatis – take your pick!
Nice try, Omar!
Scho is overpriced for what he is (maybe Schnieder slightly too), but on that list, only Delgado makes any real (in BB terms!) money. And he at least had a pretty good year. So the commitment to the rest of them is negligible.
And I think that you wold be surprised how many teams would be happy to grab most of the names you listed.
Also, was wondering if anyone else wants the Mets to trade Delgado for prospects? I mean an aging veteran in his final year. He might not have a great year this year and a platoon of murphy/evans at first isn’t the worst thing. It would hurt our lineup this year but help us down the road. Maybe they could sign hudson and upgrade left, to help us out this year. I just feel they need to start thinking long term instead of thinking win now. Or why not both?
I’m sure plenty of people do but what team is going to give up prospects for a 37 year old coming off 3 hot months preceded by a years with of pretty bad production.
If it would happen it would be an American League team. Maybe TB since their window is pretty short unless they are willing to pay their young guys lots of money, which I can’t see happening. Maybe we would be surprised, since he is a power hitter, that for 12 mm for one year isn’t that bad of a contract to take on. I’m not saying you are going to get two or three great prospects, but maybe one or two with one or two mid level prospects.
TB already locked up Longaria to a long term contract and are planning on locking up Upton. Why can’t you see it happening? Tampa is very capable of supporting at least a medium market team, the problem is they were never able to attract fans, there’s no raise to think they won’t be able to support a much bigger pay roll a few years down the road. And even if for some reason they werent most of their young players are years away from hitting free agency.
And what makes you think they will be able to draw fans down the road. The problem with TB is everyone who lives there are transplanted. They have no interest in this team. You also can’t say that if they play good baseball they will show up because without those phillies fans filling those seats they probably wouldn’t have sold out those world series games. Medium market at the most, but I will bet they stay a small market team. I just as sumed they might be interested since they lost floyd and they have been linked to Burrell, who will cost more than Delgado but is a right handed bat. And they probably need a veteran presence in that lineup, so I don’t know why it couldn’t happen.
Because just in the last few years their attendance has jumped about by about 8,000 per game. I believe it went up 30% from last year to this year. In their first season they averaged about 30,000 fans a game. And when they changed to the current front office back in 2006 they had about 40,000 people show up to their home owner. There’s clearly interest they just need to prove they’re committed to winning. During the season there merchandise sales increased nearly 75%, and they set television records for their local FSN channel more than once during the season, the increased revenue is already starting to come in and teams usually see a huge jump in attendance the year following a break out year, so it should be expected that the fans are going to come too. Plus they’re planning a huge stadium project in the next few years, that would actually move them into the city of Tampa, making it easier for fans to go to their games. Are they ever going to be a big market team, obviously not, but they’re more likely to end up somewhere in the middle than stay at the bottom of the barrel.
wow…an impressive amount of information in that post.
Phils aren’t dumb enough to deal the great gazoo for Holliday. I’d pay to see that deal happen as Holliday and Boras would walk after one season.
You might think they are not dumb enough, but Amaro might want to make a statement that he is the new gm and the team can thrive under him. I live around phillies country and the fans are loving this Holliday stuff. We will see.
The Victorino’s and Werth’s of the world (Lidge aside) are what set the Phils apart from the Mets. Shipping him off would be nothing but positive in my mind. There’s always a big ticket guy out there to buy but developing the thorn in the side glue guys are the hard to find pieces to championship puzzles.
I completely agree. I think they could just find a serviceable left fielder and still be very competitive next year. But trading away victorino and some of their farm system for one year of Holliday, priceless.
BRING WALLY BACK MAN,
THE GREAT GAZOO ? LOL, YOU’RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT AS I RECALL THERE IS A DEFINITE RESEMBLANCE ESPECIALLY WITH VICTORINO’S TWO FLAP.
The phils are getting lder in some spots. Or at least “middle aged”. But what they are getting is pricey. They may increase budget a little, but they aren’t going up a lot.
It also makes little sense to take a 1 year flyer on Holliday, since they just won the WS and aren’t in desperation mode (win before the window closes).
But, from what I read down here, would not be at all surprised to see Howard gone sooner rather than later. No idea who replaces him, but it could be Utley at some point.
What I would be interested to see is what Holliday does outside of coors, and will he really be an oveall upgrade from what they got ot of Burrell? Probably more consistant at least!
The phillies got very lucky this year in terms of the money they invested and the talent they had. Victorino is worth more and so is hamels. Howard will also command a lot of money in the free agent market when he is a free agent. So maybe they do sign Holliday to a long term deal, and let Howard walk. Would be very interesting to see.
MLBTradeRumors.Com is reporting that the Cardinals are also in aggressive pursuit, offering Ryan Ludwick and also stating that they’d like to sign Holliday long-term.
Hopefully he winds up there and not with the Phillies; nevertheless, it would be good to get rid of Victorino.
The only think that is certain is Holliday will not sign a long term extension with any team he goes to. It’s just not Boras’ thing.
I really think Colorado should try to bring him back and trade a Todd Helton. Would anyone here be opposed to Delgado for Helton and Jeff Francis?
Here is my rationale…we get the lefty starter (off of a bad year, albeit). We also get Helton, who is a major disappointment and bad contract in Colorado. However, he could slot in nicely as a 2 hitter in NY. Much better glove than Delgado as well.
Colorado gets two things. They get the opportunity to throw boat loads of money at Holliday after next year…with Helton’s contract off the books. They also get another potential 35-40HR, 100RBI guy. It gives them the option of keeping Atkins and playing him at 1B to make room for Stewart. Just a thought. It’s the hot stove after all.
Castillo is really the only one that needs to go. Like I’ve said a million times on this site, you can live with a poor excuse for an 8-9. But not a 7-8-9 or a 2-8-9.