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According to Peter Gammons at ESPN.com, the Marlins have traded OF Josh Willingham and LHP Scott Olsen to the Nationals for 2B Emilio Bonifacio and minor leaguers RHP P.J. Dean and OF Jake Smolinski.
Olsen was 8-11 with a 4.20 ERA in 33 starts for the Marlins, while Willingham hit .254 with 15 home runs.
Last month, in post to his blog for the Sun Sentinel, Mike Berardino listed seven players who could be traded by the Marlins, including 2B Dan Uggla and RHP Kevin Gregg, as well as Willingham and Olsen, and Mike Jacobs, who was recently traded to the Royals.
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you still have this posted incorrectly. you still have willingham going to the wrong team.
Nats deal Bonifacio, minor leaguers for Marlins’ Willingham, Olsen
I wonder if this means uggla is on the block
they’re moving him to 3b
Where did u read that?
Its in the article that Cerrone linked from SI
“The addition of Bonifacio will enable the team to move Dan Uggla to third base.”
msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8779806/Sources:-Nats-trade-for-Marlins’-Olsen,-Willingham?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=49
oops I mean fox
woohoo, we won’t have to hear “the hammer” anymore!
still have to hear “his name is dan ug-gla!” though
yeah your right, but the Nats broadcast team is just as annoying for get who it is Don Sutton and some bum
This is the first time in a long time that Matt broke a trade before MLBtraderumors.
Matt didn’t break the trade; Peter Gammons did
And MLBTradeRumors doesn’t break trades usually, they just accumulate them.
I think you know what I mean, but apparently splitting hairs is the game. Since I should write what I mean to avoid confussion. What I meant to say is that MLBtradrumors usually beats Matt to posting trades. Matt does a great job. I just wanted to note my surprise that he beat MLBtraderumors on posting.
Matt broke the Santana trade. Thats more than enough for me
Sure he did…only if you have a very limited # of places you go to for information.
matt scooped the santana to mets months before … back when people didn’t even consider the mets serious… for that he will forever have credibility.
Why are the Marlins having another fire sale? There were within striking distance of the Wild Card and the Division until late into the season this year, and their payroll was unbelievably low. They should be adding pieces to make a real run next year, not trade them away.
I mean, is it just me, or did the Marlins get fleeced in this trade?
No, the Marlins got absolutely robbed.
If I were Minaya, I wouldn’t have targeted Willingham and Olsen. But when you see what the Nats got them for, you have to wonder whether we couldn’t have made a comparable or better offer to get them. Willingham is a good-hitting LF, and though his defense is nothing great he’s not horrible. Olsen, although a jerk, is a decent #4.
I could live without them both, but the fact that another team in our division got them for a mediocre package irritates me.
AGREED.
Olsen and Willingham are HUGE upgrades over what we currently have filling those holes, and the fact that they were had for Bonifacio and two minor-leaguers is frustrating.
Olsen means less pressure on Niese to step up into the 5 spot in the rotation, and Willingham is way better than the circus we had in left last year. It also frees up money to spend on a Closer, a new catcher, and a new second baseman, all of which we desperately need.
Like you said, I wouldn’t have been seeking them, but I’m convinced we could have had a package better than what was taken.
Well do you think theres a chance that Omar had no idea this was going down?
i second that olsen has been mediocre at best since girardi blew his elbow back in 06 id rather have owens back lol
Mediocre? You don’t even know what the package is yet! I don’t know…haven’t the Marlins proven they know what they are doing in these deals?
Also love when people wonder “where Omar was” on these trades…like every GM has to run deals by him first before making them.
Dave,
exactly my point, really only during a big deal will you get a GM going around to other teams to get a counter offer.
I base my “mediocre” judgment on the players acquired by the Marlins (who *have* been identified, by the way), who were somewhat panned by rotoworld. But you’re right, I don’t have an independent knowledge of them.
It’s hard to believe that the Marlins wouldn’t have shopped around. Isn’t that standard practice?
well that means there is 2 less marlins that will have our number next year lol
yep and now the nats will hate us even more
Who cares? They have too many LHPs in their rotation to touch us…we kill lefties. Perez, Lannan, and now Olsen is a disaster waiting to happen for Washington. But for what they got them for, I would’ve done it too.
Actually outside of his start the last day of the season (which wasn’t even that great only going 6 innings) Olsen has been pretty terrible against the Mets over the years. He was 0-3 with a 6.11 ERA against us this yr.
To be quite honest, I don’t think the Mets could have gotten those 2 for the same type of players that the Nats gave up. The Marlins hate the Mets and I doubt their front office was looking to help the Mets at all. You can blame Omar all you want, but the fact is, just because the Nats got them for something doesn’t mean the Mets could have gotten them for the same thing
why would we want a headcase like olsen?? and willingham is a feast or famine type hitter
With a bad back
yup all we need is a trot nixon redux
I’m not sure if you realize that, but there is not a team in baseball whose motivation in making a deal is to “help” another team.
How about this….how about you all write up a generic “form” posting blasting Omar every time a trade is made for not making a similar one, and Matt can post them himself and save you the trouble.
It’s Josh Willingham and Scott Olson people! Are you kidding me?
preaching to the choir my man
Not for nothing, but Willingham is a fairly consistent producer, even if you count this past season, during which he struggled a bit with injuries, which no doubt impacted his performance.
That being said, if he can stay healthy, it seems to me like he’s a shoe-in to put up about 20 homers and 80 rbi while hitting between 260 and 270. Not great, but definitely a substantial improvement over what our options are as of right now (spend all our money on Manny, or patch the problem with Tatis/Pagan/F.Mart/etc.) And he’s still young.
As for Olsen, meh. But you can never have too much starting pitching, and this guy has shown potential here and there, not to mention the fact that he. is. young.
It wouldn’t have hurt to try and make an offer, considering what they were given up for. That is, if Omar knew that it was going down.
No more ”Hammer.” I’m so happy… Now when I get stuck watching MLB TV when it actually works and I get Marlins announcers it’ll be slightly more bearable. Even though the Mets haven’t made any moves, I think it’s been a good day for the Mets. Holliday in no a Phillie or Cardinal. He’s not even in the NL so we don’t have to pitch to him. Houston Street is a Rockie, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he can’t be traded. However, it just seals the deal that Fuentes isn’t re-signing.
Art Moreno said count the Angels out of the K-Rod bidding. This will make it much easier to not sign him to a 5 year deal. The Angels were the only big market team out there besides the Mets who has the potential to pay him that. I’d expect him to get a slightly more lucrative deal than the Reds gave Cordero last off-season. It’ll probably turn out being 4 year/56 million. I’m happy we didn’t end up with Street anyway because he’s too much of a question mark as a closer and we shouldn’t wipe away our farm system to acquire that.
Well from what I hear, the Rockies want to deal Street. So, he very well could end up on the Mets. I won’t mind him as a set-up man. Heilman, and Evans/Parnell for Street. It would b enice. It insulates us from the uncertainty of signing a free agent closer. I would perfer to keep Evans but its gotta be done. I would not be surprised that that suggestion I just gave will not cut it for the Rockies. If they want more for him, then we just have to walk away.
By the way……..we really need to deal Carp to an AL team. He won’t do us any good with his -D defense with C+ to B bat. I think in a DH spot in a lower division team, he could very well thrive.
OUR TURN TO MAKE A MOVE!!!!
patience gra$$hopper patience – i’d rather omar go with a thought out plan rather than a kneejerk reaction like what the marlins did with the jacobs to the royals trade
Yes. I agree. Signing K-Rod though has to be a priority. The cost will not be as high. He has to be patient with him. Fuentes is 6 years older and only one year younger than Wagner when the Mets signed him. K-Rod is so much better than him. Fuentes had 4 consecutive blown saves in July ‘07 when Corpas took over. Fuentes wasn’t the closer when they were winning. He was when they were losing. K-Rod has much more postseason experience. Although he hasn’t been as dominant there as he has recently at least, he has the talent to over come that. It’s the same thing people said about Lidge.
u might be right but i just don’t trust fuentes for some reason – i’d rather take my chances on rauch or graybow – at least they are intimidating
Arizona probably won’t trade Rauch because they gave up Bonifacio to trade him. Plus his trade value isn’t so hot ending the year the way he did. Lyons is a closer too and the D’Backs probably won’t spend on a closer. The only guy I wouldn’t mind seeing be our closer via trade is Soria or Putz. It’ll cost major league ready prospects like Martinez or Niese though so I don’t think it’s worth it. The best thing the Mets can do right now is try to move Castillo with a prospect for Vazquez and address the 2B situation by possibly signing Hudson.
The Mets got 50 million to spend. Once the Phillies arbitration cases go through and they re-sign Eyre, their payroll will be nearly 120 million which is 17 million above their payroll last season. Moyer’s looking for a multi-year deal the Phillies won’t give him. And Burrell wants more than 2 years. Moyer probably returns at some sort of raise though.
just dont make moved just to make moves thats all i say
A large portion of that money should go directly to addressing the part of the roster that tore our season into pieces. The bullpen. No one likes to spend or give multiple years on a set up guy, but that’s the way how it is. Omar kind of gave us the hint on that one I’m sure. They should sign one right-hander like Weathers or Cruz and a left-hander like Beimel or Rhodes. Plus K-Rod. That’ll probably cost like 22 million. Maybe sign Hudson to 4 years/50 million? And try to pull off the Vazquez trade.
I really like Putz as well. The only thing about dealing with the M’s is that I do not know what they want. All I know is that they are interested in what we have and feel a deal can be made. What that is specifically is any one’s guess.
Castillo’s contract shouldn’t serve as a burden, but it unfortunately will. Outside of 2B, I’d consider it to be irrelevant to the revamping of the bullpen. The way Omar has to think is that there is not a drop of talent in the bullpen outside of Joe Smith. And that there’s touches of it with Feliciano and Sanchez. Everyone else is a bag of … and has to go. I’m sick and tired of bouncing around it. This is what needs to get done.
You’re right about the Mariners… It’s hard to know what they want. That’s why a deal probably won’t work with them. That may be Church? Replacing Church with a guy like Abreu would probably cost just as much as signing Fuentes so that really doesn’t make much sense… It’d probably take one of two in F-Mart and Niese + Kunz or another prospect. That price is probably too high for us.
nyj u r forgetting we aint the steingrabbers we are the wilon tapons lol we have a budget and we stick to it no matter what they might even want to lower payroll this year
yes, have patience, since he still hasn’t got anyone for the bullpen or the 5th starter spot in 3+ years.
Although it really isn’t that much of a positive seeing all three Bonifacio, Olsen and Willingham remain in the NL East it’ll make the Marlins less of a threat in the near future. The acqusition of Bonifacio means Uggla’s going to be traded even if it’s not this off-season. Can the Mets make a bid for Uggla? You never know. Just seeing him out of the NL East and possibly NL too would be awesome.
If the Mets want a 2B who can’t field then just stick Murphy there. He can’t possibly be worse than Uggla and he wouldn’t cost us any prospects.
What is Omar waiting on with Heilman? There’s been reports that teams out there want him such as the Rangers, Rays and Cubs. I don’t know why they’re interested. I know we aren’t getting much back. Is he planning on using him in some sort of package? I’m telling you that dud better not be on our roster next season. Neither Castillo, Anderson or Schoenweis either.
what are u gonna do just trade him for the sake of trading him?? u gotta get real offers man not just the first proposal that comes along – plus there is no guarentee that omar wants to move heilmann
I didn’t say they should take the first offer. I said that he needs to move him. Aaron Heilman is a poison to the New York Mets chemistry as a team. I know he’s a nice guy. But he’s not a good pitcher. Even if he was a decent pitcher again, would you really want him in a tough situation?
If Omar doesn’t want to get rid of Heilman, than he’s not on the same page as most Mets fans, Carlos Beltran or the media. The only people who’ll be happy seeing him remain are the Phillies.
Omar Minaya not being on the same page as most fans and the media is probably a good thing.
There’s got to be a team out there for Schoenweis who’s coming off an average season too. If Guillermo Mota could get traded to the Brewers on a 3.2 million salary after a miserable ‘07 steroid suspended season, than moving Schoenweis’ 3.34 ERA at 400K can’t be that much harder. I’m sure if they really wanted it wouldn’t be hard moving Feliciano or Sanchez either but I’d more alright holding onto them than Heilman and Schoenweis.
If the Rangers like Heilman, maybe Omar will try to package him with somebody to get one of the Ranger catchers.
Not a bad idea.
i don’t think aaron only will get u salty or laird
It’d take more. Maybe Parnell. Or some sort of combination of prospects. I don’t think they need to do this though. Schneider and Castro aren’t that good, but the Mets still produced third in offense in the NL with them in their line up. Schneider’s not bad defensively either. The Mets main needs is a closer, 2 or 3 slots in the bullpen and 1 or 2 starting pitchers… That and dumping the poisons of Schoenweis, Heilman, Castillo and Marlon Anderson. It’s all about chemistry. We need guys with leadership who are mentally tougher and younger.
FUNNY THAT LAST YEAR WE WANTED CASTRO TO BE The starting catche r- damn how fickle some fans are
You’re right. I never wanted that. It doesn’t mean I think the Schneider trade was incredible either. Lots of people were biting Minaya’s head off for the Milledge trade but the Church trade turned out to be alright. At least until he got the concussions. It’s hard to get lots of production out of the C position. The Mets were spoiled a long time with Hundley and Piazza. They’ve also had good back ups for a long time too.
well they have two good backup’s now…
huh? the church trade was awful. the deal was made for last year and milledge would have been more valuable last year. and schneider stinks and the mets are stuck with him at 5 million in 2009.
Omar needs to use hielman very wisely…teams out there want him…multiple teams
yeah but heilman can also comeback ala lidge – remember he played through a injury last season
No. Heilman is never going to be in the same category as Lidge. Heilman doesn’t have the mental toughness.
I’ll give you this though. Heilman has the ability to once again be an effective set up man. Not with the Mets though. The guy needs a chance of scenary. It took Lidge getting traded to get him going, right? He needed a new start… The Mets have said the same thing year after year. They don’t want to spend on the bullpen, but they need to. It’s a last resort but our bullpen is so sad and our farm system is so dry that there is no other option.
HE WAS HURT!! WHAT KINDOFF MENTAL TOUGHNESS DO U EXPECT WHEN HE HAS A LEG INJURY?? I THINK HE WAS PRETTY TOUGH GETTING SHELACKED AND THEN BOOED BY US – IF THATS NOT BEING MENTALLY TOUGH THEN IM FREEKIN SARAH PALIN!!!
Yadier Molina’s home run is how Mets fans will always remember him. It’s unfair for Aaron to remain here. Mets fans will never get over it. He’ll be deemed a mush for kingdom come on this team and that’s the way it’ll always be.
That’s what you call mental toughness? Okay so it’s mental toughness with a lack of physical ability? Heilman should have shut himself down for the good of the team. You know who I blame though? Omar Minaya. The Mets had a load of blown saves even with their ”All-Star” closer. The only move he made was acquiring Ayala who was so bad he was thrown off a horrible team. He was running on fumes appearing in even more games than Heilman and ended up with a 5.50 ERA with us and two back to back crucial blown saves against ATL.
Sarah Palin is a hockey mom, a Tiny Fey look alike and a loser… Even Heilman’s pitching abilities don’t deserve to be equated to that
agreed it was used for dramatic effect
“mental toughness”?? Now Heilman’s, stuff is not as good as Lidge’s but prior to this yr “mental toughness” was just about the last words that would be used to describe Brad Lidge. I don’t see how one bad season from Heilman and one good season out of Lidge = Lidge is mentally tough while Heilman isn’t.
I am all for changing the pen. If Heilman goes so it be, I won’t be crying. But I think he is still overall one of the better pitchers we have in the pen (though that’s not saying much) and has a good shot of having a bounce back yr in ‘09.
If you can think of a better term and I’m sure there’s one out there, I’ll use it. A combination of raw talent, mixed with a great team’s dynamic and being able to pitch under pressure.
Lidge needed a change. He got that change. Heilman looks like he’s burnt out every time he goes out there. It doesn’t look like he enjoys what he does. And who could blame him? I don’t want to trade him because people out there make him out to be the worst pitcher on earth. I want to trade him because a complete overhaul is needed and he has to be included in that.
Yes… Regardless of what team that is though, the price can’t be all that high. He’s definitely a good complement player in a deal though. The point is at what ever point it is he needs to be traded… He should look for the best deal to use him in but under no circumstance should he be a Met next season. Especially with the ruling out of allowing him to be a SP. His value always dips when he starts out poorly…
did u feel the same way after the 07 season with pelfry?
something like hielman and evans could get us something very good
possibly but evans can still be a help to the big team too next season
True. In the long run though it doesn’t appear like they’ll be much of a role for him. Murphy is likely to platoon with Tatis in LF next season regardless of where Castillo is playing. Once F-Mart is ready presumably at some point during 2010, Murphy will move over to 1B. Maybe develop a platoon with Evans there. I don’t know what kind of value Evans would have out there though so he might be worth holding onto. There’s no guarantee he’s on the opening day roster with Pagan coming back and sadly Marlon Anderson under contract.
he could understudy at 1b for delgado
i can’t believe im the voice of reason – it’s kinda like bluto from animal house giving the rally speech b4 the revenge !
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor??
It isn’t over until WE say it’s over!
Victorino? DEAD!!
Utley? DEAD!!
Hanley Ramirez? DEAD!!
Now who’s with me???
No I didn’t. I knew Pelfrey has the potential to be better than he was. Heilman’s been in the pro’s since ‘03 & ‘04. I’ve seen plenty of him. Pelfrey came out of college. The Mets have gotten into a bad habit of rushing pitchers up.
I’ll be honest in saying that I didn’t expect Pelfrey to progress that quickly. I never saw him at that point though. I’ve seen Heilman at his peak and he was a good set up man. But he’ll never get above that. And he’ll never get past the demons of not being able to pitch in tough situations. Starting pitching is more about your physical talent… Being a reliever requires much more pressure. Heilman just won’t get it done here.
We just need a new start. The same thing over and over just isn’t going to work. I’d bet everything I own that if he were a Met next season for 162 games that his ERA is about 5. Really, I would. And he’d blow the worst games too…
they also rushed heilmann up – remember?? look im not adverse to trading him – don’t get me wrong – just don’t burden him with the most blame in the pen if we gwt quality back for him great but if we don’t get an impact player or some choice prospects i say forget it and take our chances with him in 09
I burden the whole bullpen with it. It’s not just Heilman. It’s everyone who was there last season. I’m just saying people will only make him the cover when they think about the Mets bullpen woes. It’s not necessarily the right thing, but it is what it is. Wagner may have been the only guy to compete with that. He blew every save that was important. It was so predictable. I remember saying to myself with Met leads that’s it I’m leaving I’m going to go use the bathroom… I said that 5 times this season and I come back and there’s blown saves lol the worst one was the three run homer to Mark Reynolds with 2 outs and 2 strikes on a Pelfrey shutout against ARZ.
i understand but he had 1 lousy season 07 he wasn’t that bad
that’s true but the mets bullpen was pretty lousy. it’s just the whole outlook of the bullpen. it’s not fair. i know. sometimes the good guy who gets cold gets dragged down with everyone. it’s necessary if you want to move foward sometimes though.
We shouldn’t take our chances with him in 09 because he’s not dependable. The whole idea is that we’re supposed to go into next season with some level of confidence. I hate living in groundhog day mode when it’s not a good kind of groundhog day. It’s all about the dynamic.
Last season the Mets said we need to get rid of Mota. Heilman and Ayala had pretty similar numbers to Mota in ‘07. We got rid of him. It was the right move. It didn’t mean Mota wasn’t a good pitcher. It meant him time was up here. They’ll be able to find something for Heilman. Trust me. I’d like to see them use him in a package with TB to try to pull off Jackson and/or Bradford…
i wonder if we could swing a 3 way deal to get oswalt
If we could swing that, trade anyone but DRod, Jose, or Johan…..
Geez, anyone watching the Nets-Heat game? Wade is so freakin good it is disgusting….
Good deal for the Nats…
The Fish, on the other hand…
Doesn’t affect us what what we want/need to do. Yawn.
I wholeheartedly second the yawning motion on this here trade….ho–frickin–hum.
At this point all this trade means is that the Marlins and Braves will have more competition for third place…
San Diego is withdrawing its $4 million offer to reliever Trevor Hoffman. Maybe, he’d like to redeem his “possible” Hall of Fame career by finally proving his metal in a post-season run in “the City that never sleeps”????? And he might come cheap.
Just throwing it out for there your collective consideration.
if san diego is so desperate to unload salary that they don’t want hoffman( although he’s definitely over the hill)or peavy, why not make an offer for Brian Giles? They just picked up his option for 9 mill, but if we take on that plus another contract i have to think there is some deal that could be made there.
Well, he’s 41, so he’s old enough, and he blows lots of big saves, so he chokes enough…sign him up! :-)
I’m happy about this trade…weakens the Marlins and the Nationals still aren’t a threat to us. Now let’s make a move already….
The Nats are building a decent core of players, and unlike the Marlins they can probably afford to resign them when they want to make a run at winning.
as for the above comment with giles, he’s a 10-5 player now, and he wont waive his clause for a NY team..thats what most insiders say..
but as for this, i love when the marlins have their “sales”….go get Kevin Gregg for nothing and let him set up for what i HOPE is K-Rod.
Then if we trade Heilman, Show, and/or Feliciano, we can just sign a Joe Biemel or Brandon Lyon or even Juan Cruz (type A)
That’ll reshape this bullpen I think–3 new arms, along with a Parnell and maybe Stokes or Kunz…i’d have faith in that bullpen
Biemel really isn’t that great. He had a great era this year but other than that his numbers aren’t that good. He puts a ton of guys on base and 33 percent of his inhereted runners scored on him. We should get another lefty like the phillies did(Romero and Eyre). I can see Biemel being Show all over again. He’s probably gonna cost as much as Show and we could use that money for other things.
At least Show kind of does his job against lefties, Beilmel doesn’t even do that.
Show isn’t as bad as some people make him out to be. I just think the fans will give crap all year long. He’s in that same boat as Heilman. Even when they pitch good nobody remembers it. If we do trade Show another lefty would be nice. I’m just not sure who that might be.
poor olsen and willingham
I disagree. The Nationals are awful, but I think the overall goal of the organization is much better than the Marlins’.
HOW IS THIS NEWS METS RELATED?????
Apparently the fish never heard the old baseball
saying, you dont trade young,hard throwing lefties.
b/t/w more proof the Nats got robbed for Rauch.
According to their website the team feels Anderson
Hernandez is a better option at 2B than Bonificio.