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The Associated Press is reporting that the Giants’ Tim Lincecum has won the NL Cy Young Award and received 23 of 32 first-place votes.
Brandon Webb of the Diamondbacks finished second, and Johan Santana finished third.
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He deserved it.
I cant believe Webb finished 2nd he shoulda be 5th: My order was:
Lincecum
Santana
Lidge
Sabathia
Webb
Hamels
Dempster
I think the order was right. Webb was 22-7 with a 3.2 ERA pitching in a hitters park.
lincecum 137 points (23 1st)
webb 73 points (4 1st)
santana 55 (4 1st)
i’m fine w/ it ..but how the heck did Webb finish second? wow
webb did have 6 more win and the same # of losses.
certainly that has to do with the mets ‘pen, but it’s not like he had terrible numbers.
i hate the wins argument
its a joke
his #’s are worse than Santana’s except for the wins argument
Perfect year to combat the wins argument is 2006. Just look at NY.
Steve Trachsel had a 4.97 ERA with 15 wins
Roy Oswalt had a 2.98 ERA and was the NL leader in the category and had 15 wins
Randy Johnson had a 5.01 ERA with 17 wins
Johan had a 2.77 ERA and had 19 wins. Only 2 more wins with over 2 runs better ERA.
Wins are a joke.
the most important thing a starter does is win games.
So you would say Steve Trachsel and Randy Johnson were good at what they did in 2006 or lucky because they happened to have good run support?
To all you guys who think wins don’t matter. guess what. You agree with our rotten GM. That’s why we don’t win. We don’t think wins matter.
Anyone who thinks wins for a starting pitcher mean anything is an idiot.
sylar, you’re level of sophistication is so impressive.
Zen, your grammar is equally impressive.
But seriously, wins are a product of the team. They in no way, shape, or form tell how effective a pitcher is.
Exactly! I’d rather have a SP on my team with an 0-20 record but a 2.49 ERA over a SP with a 2.50 ERA but a 20-0 record any day! Because W’s mean nothin’!
Wait, no I wouldn’t. Look, I understand that a SP’s W-L record is largely dependant on his team’s offense, defense, bullpen, blah, blah, blah. There are more useful stats to measure a SP’s worth than W’s; but I wouldn’t exactly say that W’s for a SP are meaningless.
that’s a pretty terrible example.
Ya think?
1993 ny mets: anthony young
3.77 era!!!
1-16 record.
If I was a pitcher who had a 2.49 ERA and my team couldn’t give me enough run support to get at least one win I’d demand a trade.
Wins are important! The two starting pitchers are contesting with one another for the win. Are you saying that in that second to last game this season, Ricky Nolasco (who only let up 2 runs over 7 IP) deserved as much credit as if he had beaten Santana? No. In the same way, Santana lost a lot of early games because he failed to beat the pitcher opposite him (4/6, beaten by Smoltz; 5/22 beat by Hudson; 6/6, beaten by Wolf; 6/23 beaten by Felix Hernandez, etc.) Yeah, Johan had 3 or less ERs in 4 of his 7 losses, but that’s as much of a function of being outduled as it is a function of getting crappy run support.
Don’t get me wrong, I would rather have Santana than ANY other pitcher in the majors. But, Webb did have the most wins by a lot, and was 4th in Innings Pitched, a stat I consider as important as wins and ERA (the three are equal in my mind).
You just made my point. Santana was tops in the league in 2 of your 3 equally important stats. Figure it out.
I would have flipped Santana and Webb, but I’m glad Santana got 3rd.
While I’m sure John Kruk will be disappointed, the writers made the right choice (kind of). It really could have gone either way between Santana and Lincecum. I’m just glad Webb didn’t win. But second? Man, writers are just so dumb.
Now watch Howard win the MVP.
That’s exactly what I was thinking. It doesn’t make sense to argue 2nd vs. 3rd place, and I don’t think you can argue that Lincecum is a very deserving winner, but if Howard wins MVP I’m going to drown myself in the toilet.
HAHA!
If you’ll really drown yourslef then we will all be pulling for Howard. I guess you guys don’t think RBI’s matter just like wins don’t matter.
Actually, I think that good RBI and HR stats don’t make up for being average to below average in almost all other categories.
As for wins, it’s been stated a million times, so I don’t feel the need to explain an oft-argued point to you. Winning games is more a product of your team than any other pitching stat. If you’re going to use that as the sole argument for a pitcher’s ability, then I’m certainly glad you’re not my team’s GM.
Similarly, RBI are a by-product of the team around you. Neither wins or RBI are completely useless, but they’re inferior stats compared to other metrics for evaluating pitchers and hitters,
sign krod and lowe and biemel and affeldt
trade for a right handed outfielder like dye
reyes
murph
beltran
delgado
wright
dye
church
schnieder
johan
pelf
lowe
maine
someone cheap through trade like vasquez maybe
krod
biemel
smith
affeldt
parnell
stokes
if we can i’d do anything to trade Delgado. I think there needs to be way more help in the bullpen then Affeldt and Biemel. 2 guys won’t completely fix this bullpen. They need to add 3 or 4 guys and then a few “chance” guys for depth.
K-rod would be nice. Dye would be nice. I don’t mind them at all. I want Delgado gone.
THANK YOU!!!!
I’m actually surprised Lincecum won it by such a huge margin. Thought it would’ve been a little closer, with Santana in second, but looks like I’m not qualified to make baseball related decisions.
Loved you in Empire Strikes Back, though.
Chris Russo had to excuse himself when he heard the news so he could run to the bathroom.
Who?
Try to keep up DC
Voters who put Webb before Santana made up their mind at the beginning of September and stopped paying attention to baseball.
Prove your unfounded accusation.
I’m waiting for you to back anything up or actually make a point about something.
Santana was better in every statistical category than Webb besides wins.
Oh, and btw, RBIs are just as meaningless as wins.
Who cares if Santana finished 3rd?
Exactly!—Who cares!—Maybe if Johan hadn’t pulled
himself out of so many games or not given up 2-0 leads
in games the first half he’d have gotten 5to7 more wins
and it would all have made his finishing 3rd a moot point.
Are you actually bashing Santana? Some people are pathetic….
Fongalou, your joking right??
The man lead the NL in INNINGS PITCHED. He was also 6th in the MLB in Pitcher Abuse Points. What, did you want his arm to fall off??
Anyone blaming Santana is just wrong.
It would be nice to win something this year!
I did the Mypos dance of joy upon hearing that Lidge didn’t win. Thank God!
Phillies fans in my office are driving me crazy…
They’re allowed to. Those are the Perks of being a
Champion.
Your annoying….just thought I would get that off my chest.
A stat I would like to see more often for starting pitcher’s is how many wins were blown by the bullpen after the starter leaves the game. And also what the team’s record is in games started by the pitcher.
I’d be curious to see where Santana stands in relation to the other starting pitchers last year in those 2 categories.
Lincecum was good for a 50 win team… no pressure at all, just go out there and ensure yourself a victory, now if he was to do that in NY where every lil thing is under the microscope then he’d get my respect.. look at all the things santana did after critizism.. beat the phillies after getting booo in his first home start, shut out the pirates after coming out in the 8th inning against phillies, beat the phillies when we were on the verge of getting swept, pitch a shut out on a 3 days rest in the 161st game with our season on the line, HE’S THE MAN… lincecum is a nice pitcher but this is a robbery!!!! NEW YORK IS A HATER MARKET BY THE MEDIA!!!!
This isn’t the MVP award. “Pressure” should have nothing to do with it.
Lincecum deserved to win, but Santana should have finished 2nd.
reyes
murphy
wright
many ramirez
beltran
delgado
burrel
russel martin
santana
sabathia
sheets
pelf
burnett
k rod
fuentes
hoffmann
pepelbon
jenks
thats a pretty good fantasy team
Santana deserved the cy.
One fact that is being overlooked is that Lincecum had the luxury of pitching in the NL West. Take away his 6 starts against the anemic padres (3 earned runs in 43.1 innings!), and his ERA is over 3.00.
Lincecum had more K’s. Johan had more quality starts, more IPs, a better ERA, and a lower WHIP.
HAS ANYONE LOOKED AT THE “09 SCHEDULE ?
IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GET IT DONE EARLY. IN MAY WE HAVE A STRETCH OF 20 CONSECUTIVE GAMES FINISHING IN THE WEST COAST THEN WE GET ONE DAY OFF BEFORE WE GO PLAY THE REDSOX IN BOSTON
THAT MY FRIENDS IS BS.
I CHECKED THE PHILLIE SCHEDULE AND THEY END THE SEASON PLAYING 20 STRAIGHT, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BEAR DOWN EARLY.
This is seriously a joke. Let’s compare some numbers:
Johan Santana:
SO: 206
IP: 234.3
XIP: 211.8
WHIP: 1.148
ERA+: 166
PRAA: 33
PRAR: 94
DERA: 3.09
NRA: 3.03
Tim Lincecum:
SO: 265
IP: 227.0
XIP: 207
WHIP: 1.172
ERA+: 167
PRAA: 38
PRAR: 102
DERA: 2.84
NRA: 2.87
So not counting DERA, NRA, and SO Santana has better numbers. Santana has played with a better defense (DERA > NRA) but his PRAA and PRAR are lower, indicating less runs scored against him. Also look at XIP, which account for importance of innings: Santana pitched in more games where his pitching actually mattered. When someone loses the Cy young award because of SO that is quite quite sad. Especially since Santana has a better WHIP.
Don’t get me started on Webb who only won second because writers are too lazy to look at any stat of any significance but Santana losing out this year is just nuts. I cannot wait for Ryan Howard to win the MVP over Pujos for another mistake by the sportswriters. They can’t get the HOF voting done right and they still can’t get the Cy young and MVP award done either.
yes, because strikeouts mean nothing to a pitcher. they dont help you get out of jams or anything. they dont make your defense irrelevant. they dont compensate for a slightly higher WHIP. they dont mean anything.
*he busted all over the mic
You mean “The nut job busted a nu…….”……oh, never mind!