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This morning on WFAN, SI.com’s Jon Heyman predicted the Mets will sign at least two or three free agent pitchers this off-season, including a closer, a set-up man and a starting pitcher.
According to Heyman, the Mets will look to sign Francisco Rodriguez, Brian Fuentes or Kerry Wood; they’ll look at a set-up man, like Juan Cruz; and they’ll first aim for a starting pitcher, like Derek Lowe or Oliver Perez, followed by Jon Garland or Randy Wolf.
…i like garland, but not as a front-line starting pitcher…he’s reliable…he’ll be good for 200 innings and 30 starts, he’s still under 30, with a World Series ring on his finger, and he’s rarely injured, but he lets up a ton of hits, and flirts with disaster from time to time…if he is the team’s marquee signing, it means the Mets were spurned by lowe, and some time stepped up to give perez a four-year deal…and, personally, i would rather give garland a long-term contract than perez, as well as wolf, who has never impressed me…garland just seems more stable to me, for better or worse…
Heyman also discusses the Yankees, who may sign three free-agent starting pitchers as well; the future of Manny Ramirez; the Jake Peavy situation; and whether the Mets would ever consider signing Pat Burrell.
To listen to Heyman’s entire interview, go to WFAN.com, which you can also stream live all day from your computer.
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Are we talking about as the only starter we sign? If any of those 3 are the only starter we sign then I think we’re going to be in trouble.
I like the idea of Lowe and Randy Johnson. And I imagine they’re Burnett’s name isn’t being throw around because he’s coming off a so-so year, for him at least, he’s 32 and he’s often injured. And he wants a major contract. Like 4 years, 17 million+.
Unit is intriguing to me as well, Gina. His periphs 2nd half of the year were quite good; he won’t command a long contract; and he won’t require compensation unless I’m mistaken.
Yeah he’s a type B. So wouldn’t cost us any draft picks.
I dont think he’s ever coming back to play in NYC.
on the mound, The Big Unit could work out fine. But remember how he dealt with NY the last time? Didn’t work out so well.
but that was also as THE MARQUEE pitcher, that was supposed to bring a world series trophy to the Yanks — this would be diff’t., he’d be the #3 starter on (mainly looking for his 300th win).
Rowjamie, this is a valid point but the situations are different IMO. Johnson would be coming not as a front line starter, not with a big contract, and having gone through the wringer once already. Like it or not, the spotlight shone by the Yankees is brighter than that by the Mets.
Randy Johnson was born on 9/10/1963 so I guess he would fit right in with this ball team. Is Sandy Koufax available? :)
Burnett had a great year
yeah, it was the best of his career
career high in IP though…i read somewhere that his previous two career high’s in IP resulted in injuries the following year.
Four years of any of them… I think I threw up in my mouth a little.
Matt, have you *SEEN* Ollie’s numbers against the Phillies, Braves and Yankees??
Have you seen his numbers against the Pirates, Nats, and Giants?
Have you seen Garland’s numbers against everyone? 4.90 era and a whip of 1.51?
He sux
Finally someone said it. Against everyone, Garland is a decent major league pitcher. Against our toughest rivals, Ollie pitches well.
The Nats and Marlins are so righty heavy. Their toughest hitters are righty. Willingham, Ross, Hanley, and Wes Helms own Ollie. But, Ollie owns Howard and Utley. That matters more to me. Imagine what that Philly lineup will do to Garland twice a year…god forbid 3 times.
Willingham is on the Nationals now
I don’t love Garland either. Just saying that Ollie tends to even out. Dominating the Braves and Phils is great, but when he walks 7 and gives up 10 runs to the Pirates the following week, it knocks him back down. With that being said, I’d rather have Lowe. At least he’s got that sinker which everyone beats into the ground.
its hard to be a mets fan,
oh yea. well, add him to the nationals righties that (will) kill us: milledge, kearns, willingham.
HOF, not sure if you are being sarcastic, which I hope, but in games Ollie started against Hou, Pit, SD, SF and Sea the Mets were 0–6 and he got creamed a few times….
Ollie seems to have concentration problems against these teams. He reminds me of another lefthander you may remember, Pete Falcone.
I agree about Ollie’s lack of focus…and I sure do remember Pete Falcone! Thanks for the childhood memory!!
If I have to watch 4 years of Jon Garland my eyes will bleed.
He’s in decline already, can’t strike a guy out, and told his team he didn’t deserve to be in the postseason rotation.
Sounds like he’ll fit right in!
he does pretty much stink, doesn’t he?
Oh, he ‘eats innings”! well, anyone can pitch 200 innings, if you don’t care about them being good ones.
Truly a run of the mill guy (like a Silva). Why sign someone like this for $10mill (or whatever it ends up being) when you can likely get comparable production for 1/10th the price from any number of guys sitting in BPs (heilmann) or AAA, just waiting for a chance?
If you are going to the FA market, and spending a bunch of $$, might as well go all the way and spend a little more for someone decent.
Exactly, Silva is the perfect comparison. I don’t care what the market is, there’s no way we can go 4 years on Jon Garland.
Spend the extra cash and look into Lowe or even Burnett.
I agree that Garland is nothing special, but not anyone can just go 200 innings. It takes pitch economy. Garland and Livan are guys that do it consistently because their pitch count is in the 90’s by the time they reach the 7th inning. Someone like John Maine (unless he improves) can never pitch 200+ innings because he’d have to throw 165 pitches per game to get as far as Garland and Livan do. I highly doubt Heilman would be able to do it with his penchant for walking the leadoff batter every single time.
Jon Garland is sounding more & more like Steve Trachsel to me. He’ll give you 6+ innings every time out, but he’ll give 4 runs or more (and in Trachsel’s case, it’d be midnight by the 5th inning).
Or a line drive to the leg would end Trachsel’s night early.
Sadly, Trachsel was better than Garland is.
Garland sets a slow pace just like Traschel.
I think Burnett should be on the top of their list of starting pitchers followed by Lowe, as either of those pitchers would be a solid number 2…..the next one would be a distant third, since it would require Pelfrey to move up to number 2 and perhaps Maine moving up to number 3…if they can secure Burnett or Lowe, than they can consider signing Garland or Wolf for the back end of the rotation or roll the dice with Niese/Vargas for the fifth spot
Ypu must be Omar or you can read his mind. One is old and going down thr drain and the other is injury prone. Two of Omar’s favorite things to look for when giving out another very bad contract.
Then what is your choice as a front line starter?
How about Burnett and Ollie? Santana, Burnett, Ollie, Pelfrey, Maine. That’s a very solid rotation. We can sign K-Rod…
We’ll be adding roughly 45MM worth of salary for this year, but it’s really all about starting pitching.
I would take that…but I don’t think its possible with our front office.
Burnett is going to command the second biggest FA starting pitcher contract ( 4-5 years_60-75mil) while Ollie will eventually settle for 4 years( would like 3, but a 27-year old is getting 4 yrs)
I would like em both…but the yankees are about to offer a contract to Burnett and judging off CC, they aren’t even trying to bargain.
…and the Yanks are going to make and offer to Lowe too. This team is going to spend close to $300MM in FA, 2 yrs in a row.
Yes…but those two favorite things arent combined…if they were, he’d already been signed. Omar gets confused on whether he should pick old or injury-prone…he’s used to it being together.
If they add from FA one of those 3 closers, Cruz and Wolf, that should help stabalize the pitching staff for next year. Fill in the other spots from trades and/or redeploying existing guys.
I still think Vazquez will arrvie at some point, which is OK by me.
Wolf I would not do 4 years, but I hpe he doesn’t expect it! Garland is nothing special, might just as well give Heilmann a shot at being the 5th guy.
Santana, Pelfrey, Maine, Vazquez and Wolf? should get the job done. Just have decent guys in reserve for 6/7/8! Or maybe Vargas get the 5 hole spot.
new CL, Cruz, + 5 other guys can make a decent pen!
Getting Vazquez will give them a bunch of flexibility for the last rotation spot, and they could easily just let it go to ST to see who steps up for the job.
Not really needed (and maybe not desireable) to have every spot as-igned now. A little competition for the 5 hole could be good for the team! Anyway, they need at least 7 viable options to have enough depth (maybe 8 if Duque or Pedro is in the mix!)
I’d rather have Vazquez than Garland. Especially since he’s only signed for another 2 and like Matt says, Garland could get 4 years. But based off him being horrible he may have to settle for 3 years or 4 cheap years.
I agree. Vasquez is the better than Garland. I would rather have the Mets sign O.P. and Garland if they can’t net Lowe or Burnett.
i dont even know what to say or think….how can you even think about signing randy freaking wolf or garland…they are both crap. Im not even crazy about the idea of signing Lowe. I do not understand why were not trying for AJ Burnett, hes in his prime, hes good, strikes out a good amount of hitters, and is a very good righty compliment to Santana. I do understand he will be expensive but by trying to plug our holes with guys like garland and wolf is just retarted. I want 2 front line starters and NO Pelfrey is not a number 2 yet.
guys, i know this may be crazy, but i was thinking, juan cruz is a type A free agent, why not get k-rod, and instead of juan cruz we signed kerry wood to a 2 year/5 million per as a set up man? would he go for that if it means he can also close for us?
someone else likely gives him more, and a closer role.
If you want to save money, just sign Cruz and annoint him the closer!
but then again, juan cruz can be annointed a closer for a team as well. if a team is gonna spend money on a reliever type A might as well be a closer not a set up man.. juan cruz can be texas, detroit or cleveland closer entering next year giving the fact that there are so many of them available we can get 2 closes (i.e K-rod and wood) at around 21 to 22 mill… then everybodyelse can pitch 6th and 7th inning…
or wood and Cruz for 12 million.
Wood isn’t going anywhere except to close…Cruz IS a set-up man and until he closes, will be signed as one. I would like Wood as an 8th inning guy, I just don’t see it happening.
Cruz is a type-a…but if we sign a good closer, we need a good set-up man. I dont care what it costs…we’re past trying to make due with what we have…we need effective proven arms.
I agree, might as well go for the best if you are throwing $$ out there. Wolf though can be a solid #5 for a couple of years, if you can’t get another top of the rotation guy (and thee just aren’t that many to go around).
as always, if you want stud pitchers, better develop them yoruself.
Agreed with your last point stickguy. Maybe the front office will start to realize that and draft accordingly.
Agree!!! Devlop your own talent and you won’t have to give out terrible deals to old or injury prone players. Best deal Omar made was not trading away Pelfrey.
Hopefully, NOT trading away FMart trumps that one in the end (so long as it’s not because Pelfrey was a one year wonder).
Mike, Wolf and Garland are both Type B free agents, who may be had with a 2 or 3 year deal, not a 6 or 7 like the top end are commanding. I’m just making an argument for “how can you think about signing him,” not that I’m advocating signing either. Both are pretty horrible, but if they can be had without a long term deal and without giving up anything…
Randy Wolf had 18 quality starts last year and is left handed. He would also come a lot cheaper than Perez and will give you the same production………but I guess if your name is not Johan Santana, a majority of people on here think you’re “crap.”
Hmm I never looked at his numbers that closely but you’re right. Wolf would probably give us the same type of production we could expect from F-mart next year.
This is Ollie and it’s not even close. He’s the youngest with the most upside.
Garland is TERRIBLE.. and Wolf is a soft tosser who is gonna take his share of lumps.
Ollie and it’s not even close.
That “soft tosser” Wolf struck out 162 in 190 innings last year. Not to bad for a sofr tosser.
The difference in avg velocity between Ollie and Wolf is minimal. Ollie’s fb is like 2 mph faster but all Wolf’s off-speed pitches have more velocity than Perez’s, and Wolf has way more pitches that he can throw for Strikes. Perez basically threw 2 pitches last year. Wolf threw four.
Exactly. And Ollie walked 105 compared to Wolf’s 71.
garland would be a terrific #4 or 5 starter but we have Maine and Pedro as our #4 and #5 and Derek Lowe would be a perfect fit even on a 4 year deal.
Considering CC is not an option, Lowe is hands down the best SP available and paying extra for him in money and years is well worth the risk…
Garland is anything but terrific:
237 hits in 196 innings to go along with 59 walks
107 Earned runs for an ERA of 4.90
and only 90ks in those 237.
He’s awful.
not only that, but he played for a team that had a good defense, so god only knows how many runs he would’ve allowed had him pitched for the white sox giving the fact they can’t play defense
He was lucky to have a sub 5 era with those peripherals.
Only because his walk rate was pretty good.
We do not have Pedro. So the Mets need 2 SPers. So Garland in the #4 or #5 slot is very good. I don’t know what people have a problem with Garland for. He’s a great innings eater, who has a world series ring. Something no pitcher on the Mets has. He also has won 18 games twice in the last 5 years. His Era and Whip have gone up the last 2 years, but a move to the NL would put it back down a run most likely.
The problem with Garland is that it will take a 4 year deal to get it done. This isn’t really about him costing the team too much money, it’s the fact that right now he is a batting practice type pitcher – what will he look like in Year 3 or 4?
I’d rather spend the extra cash and bring in Lowe who has a great sinker and seems like a strong bet to stay productive. Burnett is risky because of his health, but he has the best stuff of anyone available this year maybe outside of CC.
Much as I dislike Perez by now, I’d rather take him over Garland and Wolf, in that order. His K/9 is sustainable no matter how much of a space cadet he is, plus his raw stuff is pretty good and when he’s on, he pitches well. Garland is durable and has his head screwed on correctly, but doesn’t have half the talent of Perez. His K/9 is also too low for his BABIP to be sustainable. For those of us who followed National League baseball in the early-mid 1990’s, it would be like signing Mark Portugal for four years. Yeah, he’ll provide a few good starts and you can bet your bottom dollar he’ll at least stay on the field, but half his starts he’ll get singled and doubled to death.
I don’t like Randy Wolf AT ALL. The guy seems to be highly injury-prone and we’re in no position to sign a starter like that. The best we can seemingly do is bring up Niese or Vargas (I think Parnell’s stuff is better suited to a middle relief role, at least for now…though I could see him being a closer one day), neither of whom I trust.
I like Derek Lowe, though. Sign him!
if derek lowe is asking for 4 years and a lot of money i’d say no thank you next. guys, this guy is not that GOOOD!!! he pitched in the nl west where they have the worst offense of all divisions and baseball!!!!! his 3.24 ERA is a aberration of playing awful teams like the padres, giants, arizona(after the break) and colorado!! guys, if we signed him we’ll be running him out of town by the third week coz we’ll be appointing him our second savior, he’s not that good for all the money he’s demandin.. sign burnett and ollie.. bring a project cast like penny, garcia, johnson even pedro to be our # 5.. NO LOWE guys.. he’s not that good..
Have you seen Perez’s ERA against the NL West?
gina, don’t care? have u seen lowe against the phillies? look it up!! he’s not that good for the money he’ll be asking, altough consistant he fed up on bad teams and u know it.. his best games were all agains padres and giants and arizona post all star break..
I think there is reason to have reservations about Lowe. I think four years might be too much. O.P and Wolf would be a reasonable move.
I wonder why no one mentions Jason Jennings as a potential project guy.
“have u seen lowe against the phillies? look it up!!”
Yes, I have. Mind explaining your comment? I looked at his stats against the Phillies: 46 hits surrendered in 50.2 innings, 4 homeruns, 10 walks, a 3.02 ERA…this is supposed to be BAD against Philadelphia? Are you kidding? And would anyone care to take a look at his astronomical BABIP against the NL Central (remember, groundball pitchers are prone to fluctuations with BABIP), which would indicate poor luck rather than anything of his own design? Is he the savior of the rotation? Hardly. But I’d take him over any of the others you mentioned, especially A.J. “Injuries” Burnett.
Garland = Garbage at least Ollie is good some of the time.
trade for Jenks and Vazquez–kill 2 birds with one stone
sign Juan Cruz and a type B arm
then spend ur big bucks on Manny if the lenght of the deal is right (i say 2 years 60 mil, with 2 options at 20 mil per based on how he finishes in NL MVP voting-thats ALL singular motivation for him to play well)–but i know thats a pipe dream
so if no manny, then sign dunn or trade delgado and sign texiera
those are your best moves for this team, period
I would agree except I don’t think we have the pieces to trade for Jenks and Vazquez. But considering what they gave Swisher up for, basically nothing, who knows. But even if we add Vazquez we need to add another starter.
Swisher had the worst batting average in the league for players who were eligible for the batting title. He was worth nothing and they got more than he was worth because the Yankees didn’t trade them Kei Igawa.
Have you looked at swishers peripherals? He just got insanely unlucky last year, he’ll bounce back to a 250/360/460 guy. Which is definitely worth more than what they gave up.
I agree that he will probably bounce back. But I have to take issue with the unlucky comment. Guys get unlucky all the time, but it’s just part of the game. The whole idea of numbers is that they tell you (not just over a person’s career, but over the history of MLB) a story. To say he got unlucky last year is like saying Wade Boggs and Tony Gwynn had very fortunate careers. It’s unfair to rule one person as unlucky and another as a terrific consistent ballplayer.
I don’t care what the line drive % was…because I’m sure he had just as many bloops that fell in.
How about we leave F-Mart out of any trade talk revolving around a closer who might be on the decline. Lets just keep it simple and try to net Vasquez. Vasquez is not a savior but we won’t be bent over a barrel in the free agent pitchers market.
What do we have to give up for Jenks and Vasquez? I like Jenks, but i think it would be a hefty load. Also, I am willing to put FMart and Murphy in that deal, ONLY if when Jerry Manuel goes to the mound to summon Jenks, he does the Ozzie Guillen signal with his hand hovering over and imaginary round belly.
well lemme tweak that a lil in saying that if in hindsight, gettin rid of F-Mart means getting Dunn or Texiera, i’ll do it..but if we trade him and others for just jenks and vazquez, i’d rather keep f-mart and sign K-rod
…but Jerry Manuel still needs to signal for him the same way Ozzie Guillen does?
Omar can sign Livan and send him to the pen.
Our pitching staff in 2009 will be something like:
Johan
Ollie
Pelfrey
Maine
Pedro
K-Rod
Beimel
Cruz
Romo (trade with Giants)
Smith
Stokes
Oliver
Giants are trading for Tony Romo?
Ignoring the fact that they are the Giants and they’ve done stupider things, why would they give up a 25 year old who’s big league service time just started with stuff like his? Even if they don’t think he’s a future closer, I have no idea what they think of him, the package would have to be significant.
With the recent signing of Affeldt, and still having Wilson in their pen, Romo will be available.
They’re looking for more relievers, so why trade one of their best? Because the Mets can afford to give them 2 back.
Something like (A combination of 2)
Sanchez
Heilman
Show
Feliciano
What? Romo is cheap, only 25, and has really good stuff, and his service time has either just started or hasn’t started yet, he’s only thrown 35 big league innings. Why in the world would they trade him?
Because they know that all 4 of the relievers I mentioned have all been very good at some point in their careers. And likely need a change of scenery to get back to where they once were.
They’d do it for 2 of the guys I mentioned.
No they wouldn’t. And your logic is ridiculous. They’re going to trade a young cheap good middle reliever for older, more expensive question marks? That makes absolutely no sense. Am I missing a joke somewhere here?
Maybe it’s a joke to you, but in reality, they would do it.
Romo is 25/26 years old.
At this time last season, we traded a 22 yr old Milledge for 2 players. Church (29 at the time of the trade) Schneider (31).
Duaner is 29.
Heilman – 30
Feliciano – 32
Show – 35
No difference.
Besides, the Giants GM seems to be in love with veterans. And if he can fill 2 bullpen slots at the cost of 1, he’d do it.
Daaaaaaryl, you have us signing 3 type A free agents: KRod, Cruz and Oliver (as-sume you mean Darren Oliver). Are you sure you want to lose that much for 3 relief pitchers?
For those guys, I would.
But if it’s an issue, I’d try to get Romo before Cruz.
lowe is OK, but danged he is old.
For 1 year, I wold be happy to see Vazquez + Unit added to the rotation, with Neise, Vargas and holt (2010) getting ready behind them.
Parnell can be groomed for the pen for now. Love to see him in a set up role, with the hope he can end up closing if need be, or at least be the power 8th inning guy they are missing.
Santana, Pelf, Maine, Vazq., Unit (+ neise/Vargas) can get the job done. Plenty of Ks too! And costs little talent (only Vazquez is a trade).
Sign Wood and Cruz. Let Ollie walk, so basically a wash on draft picks (a supp. vs. a 2nd rounder).
Wood, Cruz, parnell (3 power righties). Add a few more minor parts (trade/fa/minors). Round out with Scoe or a replacement, Smith, Stokes (long guy) + 1 more (Codero? Sanchez? new lefty?)
Even leaves lots of $$ to play with the offense. maybe a real LF? Teix? Who knows, but IMO that pitching staff is way better than last years, and plenty good enough to not overwork the pen, and is a pen that can shorten games.
if we sign somebody like ollie or burnett, then get a project like johnson or penny i’d be happy.. as long a we do solifide our bullpen i’ll be good. either k-rod/ cruz or wood and parnell will give us that strike out bullpend we’ve been lobbying for
stickguy, I like the plan & think it’s pretty well thought out. Only thing is, Vazquez would likely cost you either Niese or Vargas, perhaps even Holt too as a PTBNL. But I like the plan and would be on board with it.
can’t see him being that expensive. Ideally being an AL team it will include maybe Carp + something. I wouldn’t expect Neise to go.
Heilmann too maybe? Schoe? Someone that can be on the big club right away.
Who knows, Carp + Heilmann as the basis for Vazquez? + other misc. parts likely.
Don’t think they’d have an interest in Carp, as Ken Williams has been saying they want to get younger & more athletic. I’d say Veloz and Niewenhuis as PTBNL would fit that profile, but that’s not enough to get Vazquez, and who knows how they view Heilman. Maybe Flores or Tejeda?
mlbtraderumors sayin yanks will offer burnett 5yrs $80million..we have no chance at him..hopefully yanks get him and leave us and the red sox to compete over lowe
I hope we offer 5yrs, $80.5MM.
wow…i was thinking 4 years 60 mil…
i forgot the yankees don’t know what the term “to haggle” means.
I also guess they haven’t learned their lesson from kevin brown and carl pavano.
If the Yanks are offering 5 yrs and $80MM, you think He is going to take one less year and fewer $$$ annually to come to the Mets?
Not a chance. I can’t believe the Yanks are going to spend $300MM this offseason. If they win a title, the spin will be about what a great GM Brian Cashman is. Puh-lease.
Mets fans love to criticize Omar for signing Alou, Castillo, trading Henry “HGH” Owens, and Lindstrom. Be glad we didn’t get Kei Igawa, Carl Pavano, and the countless other mistakes that the Yanks have been able to cover up with a $300MM payroll.
I mentioned what I thought the yankees were gonna offer him…theres no chance the mets meet the 80 mil…agreed.
and all these deals will look good in Spring training…but this much money and these many years, we’ll see what it looks like 3 years from now. they still dont have anyone before Rivera though.
I’d rather trade for Vazquez, and give up the talent necessary, before I signed Garland or Wolf.
I would really love to see the Mets sign Ben Sheets. I know that he is injury prone, but the man threw almost 200 innings last season. Look at Randy Wolf’s innings over the last few seasons. How durable has he been?
Ben Sheets is flat out dominant when he pitches. If he does not require a 3 or 4 year deal, then I would be willing to give him 15 million per season. If the Mets were to bring in Sheets and possibly trade for Vazquez, they could have a very formidable rotation of Johan, Sheets, Pelf, Maine, Vazquez. I know that is a right-hand heavy rotation, but all of the pitchers are good.
The Mets also have to pick up a veteran insurance arm to stash at AAA or stash in the pen.
u kow i been saying i bet we get Sheets for a while now. People forget that when omar first became our GM, the first 2 aces he inquired about were Roy Oswalt and Ben Sheets…if he gets a jason schmidt type contract, i would NOT be surprised to see him on this team…and i’d welcome it..when he’s healthy, he’s a top 5 starter, NO DOUBT…HOWEVER, we cannot rely on him as our only starter acquisition…we need another one, like vazquez or re-sign ollie, to go along with it..this way, if sheets gets hurt, we wont be as hamgstringed…or is it hamstrung? or strang?
I dont mind rolling the dice with Sheets
ben sheets and trade for vasquez, let ollie walk, sign k-rod and a set up man, trade delgado for more bullpen help and get TEIXEIRA!!!!! 8 years 164 millions!! DONE!!
bingo bango!
and the yankees will let Texeira sign here at that price?
no chance
Since we are, as of now, relying on Niese or Vargas to fill the 5th spot, it might be nice to sign a consistent reliever that can pitch comfortably in the middle of the rotation.
Garland was on my fantasy team for a stretch last year, so as a former GM of the player, I’m quite the authority on the subject.
It appearred to be a trend with Garland that he would dominate a team for a complete game, and then couldn’t get out of the second innning in the next one, but then would come back in the next game and shut down the opposing team. At one point last season I was really high on the Mets potentially signing him, but that cooled when he stunk it up for a stretch at the end of the year. He honestly seems to have potential to “find it” and be as solid number 3 starter, but just as much potential for a so so number 5.
uh.. doesn’t that sound like oliver perez? great stuff no head!!
But Garland doesn’t actually have great stuff.
like i said b4, get sheets at all risk, 3 years 45 mill..
our rotation will be a very, very good one:
SUPERMAN
Sheets
Pelfrey
Maine
Vasquez
but it will be all to waste if we dont have a bullpen to close out these games.. get as many arms as u can in the bullpen by all means..
I like the Sheets idea…he is not going to require nearly that much money though…
Vazquez is a waste of money and talent though…the chisox are going to ask for major league ready prospects, of which we have very little. I’d rather give up a draft pick then a Niese/Murphy type…I like Lowe/Pavano/Penny
Trade for Vasquez and I hope we get one of the top tier pitchers (CC, Burnett, Sheets). If not one of these guys then I’d rather go after someone with lots of upside like Ollie. Despite his inconsistencies, Ollie can be very fun to watch and is a gamer. Look at what he did to the Yanks and Phils. He’ll be asking for alot but so is everyone else. I’d rather give that money to someone who can be lights out.
honestly i care about results over excitement.
I’d much rather take Derek Lowe and his fewer walks, lower ERA , lower whip, less HR allowed and more IP and less agita.
Not too mention that Lowe has very good post-season numbers.
based on those htree options: it looks like the mets have a long road before the can catch the phillies.
i’d focus on going very hard at either the best relievers signing k-rod, beimel, and cruz or the best starters throwing tons of cash at sabathia and lowe.
a little this and a little that isn’t enough. if it’s k-rod and ollie or garland…that’s a decent off-season, but does that make the team better than last year before wags got hurt?
and who the the Phillies have at 4 and 5 starter??
That’s such a ridiculous argument….
The Mets + bullpen = the phillies….
apparently you having watched the last two season.
the phils are better. a lot better as a team and the mets need to make significant improvements.
Oh my God, Matt. You officially have no clue of what you are talking about. Garland? GARLAND!
Are you nuts? I know you don’t mean to say that he should be the primary target. I take offense that you think he’s better than Perez or even Wolf. Garland isn’t even better than Paul Byrd. Terrible hits to innings ratio. No plus pitches.
Ugh! And you say you’d rather give him a long-term contract that Wolf or Perez. You got to be kidding me!
In this order:
Wolf
Garland
Perez
if the Mets can get K-Rod and Lowe, get a setup man and get rid of castillo then the Mets will be a force to be reckoned with.
I mean the Mets lineup is pretty good now imagine sending Santana, Lowe and Pelfrey in a series.
None of the Above.
Dempster, Burnett, Sheets before those three.
But what I really want is CC, Lowe or Peavy
I think that I would rather have Ben Sheets than AJ Burnett.
When healthy, I think that Sheets is better.
Both are injury risks. Don’t be fooled by Burnett’s innings last year. Like a typical Boras client, Burnett put up his career best in K’s and innings in his walk year.
I might argue that Sheets, when healthy, is the second best pitcher in free agency this year behind Sabathia. Also, Lowe is better than Burnett.
Go get Ben Sheets.
My vote is for Garland. He is under 30 a 200 inning guy and will win about 13-15 games a year. We saw this season how important it is for a SP to give you inning. Next I would take O. Perez. Lowe I don’t want because of his age and I a sure he is going to get more than 3 years at 14-15Mil a year, No Thanks. Wolf and Burnett I don’t like either too much injury risk!
Garland or Perez I would offer both a 4/48 and sign who ever takes it first.