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	<title>Comments on: Relief Pitcher: Pick a Closer, any Closer</title>
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		<title>By: phukthephills</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2008/11/19/relief-pitcher-pick-a-closer-any-closer/#comment-390598</link>
		<dc:creator>phukthephills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the thing is is that they dont want to add 32 mil to the payroll...they want to keep it low.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the thing is is that they dont want to add 32 mil to the payroll&#8230;they want to keep it low.</p>
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		<title>By: The Slider</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2008/11/19/relief-pitcher-pick-a-closer-any-closer/#comment-390594</link>
		<dc:creator>The Slider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This from Ed Coleman on the WFAN website (I hope it&#039;s ok to copy and paste this):

&quot;I would lean toward Kerry Wood. I know you can&#039;t - not after the myriad of injuries and arm woes that he has suffered throughout his career. But no one was throwing the ball better at the end of the year than Wood (well, maybe Brad Lidge). He seemed to keep getting stronger. Yes, he did blow 6 saves - K-Rod blew 7. Wood gave up just 54 hits in 66 innings - and actually K-Rod was better - the same amount of hits in 68 innings pitched. But the strikeout-to-walk ratio was an eye-opener - Wood had 84 K&#039;s and just 18 walks - Rodriguez, using his changeup more, registered 77 strikeouts with 34 walks. Look, 62 saves in a season is nothing to sneeze at - neither is an average of 48 1/2 saves over the last 4 seasons.

The Mets have fundamental reservations on both these guys - as they do with Brian Fuentes as well - but maybe Fuentes provides a solid middle ground to walk on. He made half of what K-Rod made in salary in 2008, so he fits more economically in the three year window that the Mets would prefer to deal in. Fuentes is 33 - 7 years older than Rodriguez - but he had a very solid season, pitching to a 2.73 ERA in 67 games. He yielded just 47 hits in 63 innings - converted 30 of 34 save opportunities - and had a very impressive strikeout-to-walk ratio, almost 4-1 (82-22). His walks have decreased in each of the last four seasons, and over those 4 years, he&#039;s averaged only 50 hits allowed in 66 innings. Pretty good.&quot;

Closer is first up on the list, but what the Mets should be concentrating on after that is what the Cubs have already done - bring in some closer-types as 8th inning guys to shorten the game. Kevin Gregg was a great pickup for the Cubbies, albeit at the high price of Jose Ceda which really helps the Marlins as well. Gregg blew 9 saves, had knee problems, is really not a closer, but I think will flourish in a primary setup role for Carlos Marmol now that Wood is gone. Huston Street - now with Colorado after the Matt Holliday trade to Oakland - would be a great addition for the Mets in a similiar setup role. The Mets have to try and shorten the game while also changing the makeup and the style of their bullpen arms to avoid another repeat of 08 and 07 as well. Arizona free-agent reliever Juan Cruz is another arm the Mets should keep an eye on.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This from Ed Coleman on the WFAN website (I hope it&#8217;s ok to copy and paste this):</p>
<p>&#8220;I would lean toward Kerry Wood. I know you can&#8217;t &#8211; not after the myriad of injuries and arm woes that he has suffered throughout his career. But no one was throwing the ball better at the end of the year than Wood (well, maybe Brad Lidge). He seemed to keep getting stronger. Yes, he did blow 6 saves &#8211; K-Rod blew 7. Wood gave up just 54 hits in 66 innings &#8211; and actually K-Rod was better &#8211; the same amount of hits in 68 innings pitched. But the strikeout-to-walk ratio was an eye-opener &#8211; Wood had 84 K&#8217;s and just 18 walks &#8211; Rodriguez, using his changeup more, registered 77 strikeouts with 34 walks. Look, 62 saves in a season is nothing to sneeze at &#8211; neither is an average of 48 1/2 saves over the last 4 seasons.</p>
<p>The Mets have fundamental reservations on both these guys &#8211; as they do with Brian Fuentes as well &#8211; but maybe Fuentes provides a solid middle ground to walk on. He made half of what K-Rod made in salary in 2008, so he fits more economically in the three year window that the Mets would prefer to deal in. Fuentes is 33 &#8211; 7 years older than Rodriguez &#8211; but he had a very solid season, pitching to a 2.73 ERA in 67 games. He yielded just 47 hits in 63 innings &#8211; converted 30 of 34 save opportunities &#8211; and had a very impressive strikeout-to-walk ratio, almost 4-1 (82-22). His walks have decreased in each of the last four seasons, and over those 4 years, he&#8217;s averaged only 50 hits allowed in 66 innings. Pretty good.&#8221;</p>
<p>Closer is first up on the list, but what the Mets should be concentrating on after that is what the Cubs have already done &#8211; bring in some closer-types as 8th inning guys to shorten the game. Kevin Gregg was a great pickup for the Cubbies, albeit at the high price of Jose Ceda which really helps the Marlins as well. Gregg blew 9 saves, had knee problems, is really not a closer, but I think will flourish in a primary setup role for Carlos Marmol now that Wood is gone. Huston Street &#8211; now with Colorado after the Matt Holliday trade to Oakland &#8211; would be a great addition for the Mets in a similiar setup role. The Mets have to try and shorten the game while also changing the makeup and the style of their bullpen arms to avoid another repeat of 08 and 07 as well. Arizona free-agent reliever Juan Cruz is another arm the Mets should keep an eye on.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: oc410</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2008/11/19/relief-pitcher-pick-a-closer-any-closer/#comment-390539</link>
		<dc:creator>oc410</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sign K-Rod to a 4 year 44 million deal
Sign Mark Teixeira to a 7 year 150 million deal
Trade Delgado, Evans and Heilman to TB for Andy Sonnanstine or Edwin Jackson
Resign Ollie for 4 years 40mil.
Sign Juan Cruz or Joe Beimel to a 3 year 15mil deal
Trade minor leaguers and maybe a RP like Sanchez or Show for Bengie Molina

Lineup
1. Reyes
2. Murphy (LF)
3. Wright
4. Teixeira
5. Beltran
6. Church
7. Molina
8. Castillo

Starting Pitchers
1. Santana
2. Pelf
3. Maine
4. Perez
5. Sonnanstine/ Jackson

Relief
Closer- K-Rod
SU- Cruz or Beimel

K-Rod= +11 mil
Teixeira= +21 mil
Delgado &amp; Heilman for Jackson/Sonnanstine= - 13 mil
Perez= 10 mil
Minor players and Shoenweiss for Molina= + 3 mil

Thats adding 32 million to the payroll. Not including losing Alou&#039;s, el duque and pedro&#039;s contract. Thats not adding that much salary. But it is making the team so much better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sign K-Rod to a 4 year 44 million deal<br />
Sign Mark Teixeira to a 7 year 150 million deal<br />
Trade Delgado, Evans and Heilman to TB for Andy Sonnanstine or Edwin Jackson<br />
Resign Ollie for 4 years 40mil.<br />
Sign Juan Cruz or Joe Beimel to a 3 year 15mil deal<br />
Trade minor leaguers and maybe a RP like Sanchez or Show for Bengie Molina</p>
<p>Lineup<br />
1. Reyes<br />
2. Murphy (LF)<br />
3. Wright<br />
4. Teixeira<br />
5. Beltran<br />
6. Church<br />
7. Molina<br />
8. Castillo</p>
<p>Starting Pitchers<br />
1. Santana<br />
2. Pelf<br />
3. Maine<br />
4. Perez<br />
5. Sonnanstine/ Jackson</p>
<p>Relief<br />
Closer- K-Rod<br />
SU- Cruz or Beimel</p>
<p>K-Rod= +11 mil<br />
Teixeira= +21 mil<br />
Delgado &amp; Heilman for Jackson/Sonnanstine= &#8211; 13 mil<br />
Perez= 10 mil<br />
Minor players and Shoenweiss for Molina= + 3 mil</p>
<p>Thats adding 32 million to the payroll. Not including losing Alou&#8217;s, el duque and pedro&#8217;s contract. Thats not adding that much salary. But it is making the team so much better.</p>
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		<title>By: cver</title>
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		<dc:creator>cver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue here is not how many years we give a guy, it is that no one on this planet or any other knows which of these pitchers will be the most effective and most healthy.  A team like the NY Mets can just absorb that 4th year like they are doing with Wagner if they have to.  The most important thing is to get a REAL closer who won&#039;t choke and will give the opposition a true wall that they will hit at the end of the game - shorten the game for us and give our entire team more confidence and a better opportunity to win.  I will say one thing - I think, since nobody knows weather Jenks, Putz, K-ROD or Fuentes will be the best over the next several years, the key to me is to get Beimel.  No guarantees that he will be fine either, but I have a good feeling about him - better yet get Beimel, Juan Cruz and one of the above, so that if Mr. One of the Above fails miserably, maybe one of those other two guys can step in, hopefully at more of a bargain price, and be our closer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue here is not how many years we give a guy, it is that no one on this planet or any other knows which of these pitchers will be the most effective and most healthy.  A team like the NY Mets can just absorb that 4th year like they are doing with Wagner if they have to.  The most important thing is to get a REAL closer who won&#8217;t choke and will give the opposition a true wall that they will hit at the end of the game &#8211; shorten the game for us and give our entire team more confidence and a better opportunity to win.  I will say one thing &#8211; I think, since nobody knows weather Jenks, Putz, K-ROD or Fuentes will be the best over the next several years, the key to me is to get Beimel.  No guarantees that he will be fine either, but I have a good feeling about him &#8211; better yet get Beimel, Juan Cruz and one of the above, so that if Mr. One of the Above fails miserably, maybe one of those other two guys can step in, hopefully at more of a bargain price, and be our closer.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadpanwalking</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deadpanwalking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Borderline irresponsible?&quot; Let us not forget, this is a blog, not a newspaper, magazine, radio or television news program, or the website for any of those things. Blogs like this primarily exist to examine and parse rumors, and they don&#039;t have the same restraints and standards given to (most) journalistic properties. 

One of the main reasons I come here is to get a feel for the rumors and grumblings going on. This may not give me facts, but it does give me an indication of the perception of the populace as to what may happen. If I want the cold, hard, facts, I&#039;ll go to Mets.com as they&#039;ll surely report anything that actually does happen. 

Matt&#039;s just letting us know what he&#039;s heard, and when something actually happens, I&#039;m sure he&#039;ll post. 

I still see your point though, and I guess one way to alleviate frustration would be to flag posts like this as &quot;Rumor.&quot; and then allow filtering for those who want only the straight dope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Borderline irresponsible?&#8221; Let us not forget, this is a blog, not a newspaper, magazine, radio or television news program, or the website for any of those things. Blogs like this primarily exist to examine and parse rumors, and they don&#8217;t have the same restraints and standards given to (most) journalistic properties. </p>
<p>One of the main reasons I come here is to get a feel for the rumors and grumblings going on. This may not give me facts, but it does give me an indication of the perception of the populace as to what may happen. If I want the cold, hard, facts, I&#8217;ll go to Mets.com as they&#8217;ll surely report anything that actually does happen. </p>
<p>Matt&#8217;s just letting us know what he&#8217;s heard, and when something actually happens, I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;ll post. </p>
<p>I still see your point though, and I guess one way to alleviate frustration would be to flag posts like this as &#8220;Rumor.&#8221; and then allow filtering for those who want only the straight dope.</p>
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		<title>By: alex242</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex242</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they&#039;re trying to get paid now.. i doubt he will go for that amount of year when he can get 40 to 50 millions guarantee..</description>
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		<title>By: CaseStreet</title>
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		<dc:creator>CaseStreet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are K-Rod, why not take a one year deal and go back in the market next year when there isn&#039;t a surplus of closers and you can demand more money?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are K-Rod, why not take a one year deal and go back in the market next year when there isn&#8217;t a surplus of closers and you can demand more money?</p>
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		<title>By: Tidewater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tidewater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Padres would never do that deal.  (blank) is another one of those prospects that Met fans fall in love with, but nobody around baseball covets.  It will take much more than (blank) to get Peavy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Padres would never do that deal.  (blank) is another one of those prospects that Met fans fall in love with, but nobody around baseball covets.  It will take much more than (blank) to get Peavy.</p>
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		<title>By: JamesK</title>
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		<dc:creator>JamesK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done, Boscov.

If you read Matt&#039;s post about Street from yesterday, he offers zero evidence that the Rockies are looking to unload street and that they like Heilman.

Come to think of it, that post is 100% speculation, with no supporting evidence whatsoever.  This is borderline irresponsible, and no better than a WFAN caller giving one of those &quot;hows about we trade (blank) for Jake Peavy&quot; proposals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done, Boscov.</p>
<p>If you read Matt&#8217;s post about Street from yesterday, he offers zero evidence that the Rockies are looking to unload street and that they like Heilman.</p>
<p>Come to think of it, that post is 100% speculation, with no supporting evidence whatsoever.  This is borderline irresponsible, and no better than a WFAN caller giving one of those &#8220;hows about we trade (blank) for Jake Peavy&#8221; proposals.</p>
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		<title>By: alex242</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex242</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>doesn&#039;t heilmann throw at like 95? parnell 96? what happened to those guys then..</description>
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