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In a recent report for FoxSports.com, Ken Rosenthal says free-agent RHP Derek Lowe is seeking a ‘Zito-type contract,’ according to executives with two different teams.
In 2006, Barry Zito signed a seven-year, $126 million contract.
…well, if the real goal for lowe is to get $15 million per season, and five years, much like the Yankees could offer A.J. Burnett, according to the New York Post, then he should start in Zito Land…not that lowe is even worth that much, but he should start high…that said, if he believes he can match zito, in an era when CC Sabathia and Johan Santana will only get six, he’s crazy…especially since lowe is 35 years old…i mean, seriously, who would commit to lowe through his 42rd birthday…oh, right, Scott Boras would…
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7 years!!!!!! who does he think he is a 29 year old? there is no way he is getting more than 5 years (id be suprised if he even gets 5).
I still get flabbergasted every time I see Zito’s name coupled with ’seven-years’ or ‘$18M/per’….
i also get flabbergasted when i think of how close we were to signing him to a huge deal.
Imagine this. We sign Zito to a 5 year deal worth 19 Million per year, we dont get Santana and were staring a 90 loss season in the face in 09
Becasue of this i have to say it
IN OMAR I TRUST!!!!
I dont understand WHY Boras starts so high ..
It cant look good when everyone will laugh him off and his market will fry up. Then when he signs for 4 years everyone will see Boras lose credibility.
If Lowe gets more than 4 years then what does Ollie get? and Burnett>
Just stupidly insane.
You may not get it but Boras is the single most successful agent in all of sports, so I’m sure he’s taking your “stupidly insane” under careful consideration.
Boras got Owned last year by the Yanks and A Rod.. So his star has dimmed somewhat.
The man once overplayed his hand. And even with that A-Rod signed for more money than he had been making and more money than anybody else in the sport and NOBODY else was negotiating. Yeah, Boras really screwed up.
That’s like saying Johan lost a game last year so his star has dimmed.
and if you voted 3 years you might as well have voted i dont want lowe…bc theres no chance he gets less than 4
These players need to get a grip on reality. Good god. Stuff like this is almost enough to make me not want to go as many games next year.
its not really the players decision. his name is scott boras.
Get a grip on reality? He’ll probably get 4 years or more and then he’ll have a firm grip on reality. It is you who is hanging on to a fantasy.
By “Zito-Type contract”, I presume that means that he will sign big bucks for a team then forget how to pitch?
sign big bucks and then become the teams 3rd best option.
Can’t blame the guy for trying…especially when he see’s what the yankees are doing…they’re not even trying to haggle…
oh hey CC, brewers offered 100 mil? nice…well heres 140 mil.
AJ! how you doing buddy, toronto wants you for 60 mil, haha…here you go, hows 80 mil sound?
Maybe 7 years pre-”Juiced”. But post-”Juiced”, not so much. Let the Yanks sign him and deal with that albatross of a contract.
why do you want the yankees to sign him? if he wont take anything less than 6 or 7 years then ok i can see you not wanting him but if he will take a 4 year deal then i want him more than anyone else out there except for C.C.
On a 4-year deal, he will be Pedro’s age at the tail end. He isnt’ even that great right now where he deserves $15MM per season. To me, that is insanity. Matter of fact, in two years, he’ll probably be a shell of his current self. Let the Yanks take that on and deal with it. We’ll see if the media finally puts some head on Cashman and exposes him for a bad GM. Seriously, all this guy does is sign bad contract after bad contract, but Yankee fans will tell you Omar needs to be fired. Well, Omar doesn’t have $300MM to spend to cover up the one or two bad contracts he did give out. I would get in on AJ Burnett for those terms in a contract…but not Lowe.
I disagree…lowe is way more durable than burnett even at 35…and aside from this year where burnetts era was over 4 by the way…he had never won more than 12 games in a season…ollie must be loving this…i think he without a doubt will be the last player to sign
Surprisingly he has never been on the DL before.
Lowe? That’s fine, but he is still 3 years Burnett’s elder. At the end of Burnett’s contract, he will be Lowe’s age at the beginning of Lowe’s contract.
We’ll have to agree to disagree because an argument can be made for both. If it’s me, I would go with Burnett. Although often injured, for the same price tag, he is not only younger than Lowe anyway, but he is better.
Burnett’s ERA was over 4 in the AL East. Lowe pitched in teh offense-happy NL West. His ERA must have been over 7 with those powerhouse offenses.
With the Yankees incredible revenue sources and their willingness to divert funds from their Cayman Islands bank accounts to offer overwhelming contracts in an effort to buy a WS no contract becomes an albatross to them.
In the off-season the playing fields are not level. Insanity to one club is a mere inconvenience to another club.
I take all rumors report, even from those trusted sources, with a grain of salt because many times it’s GM or agents posturing. If I were Lowe’s agent, I’d start high too.
That said, I would not give Lowe 5 years period. I’d hesitate giving him 4 years.
In fact, if the choice was give Lower 4 years vs. Perez 4 years, I’d give it to Perez because, while Lowe may be better than Perez over the next 2 years, I see Perez being better in years 3 and 4. So it’s a question of do you take 2 very good years and possibly two bad years of Lowe (like we did with Pedro) or 4 solid years of Ollie.
Lowe must come down in his demands. I’m not too big on this Ben Sheets idea being thrown around though. We already have John Maine coming off surgery. We cannot bring in another starter to keep a watchful eye on. The rotation needs someone reliable. We really need 2 starting pitchers this winter; one higher end starter and another to solidify the back end of the rotation. I’m hopeful of Jon Neise’s future, but let’s not make the same mistake we made with Pelfrey a second time. Neise should be in the minors getting the proper time to develop that he needs. There is no reason in the world for us to be rushing this kid to the major league level.
neise has had enough time in the minors with over 450 innings, bring him up and you will have a similar effect to pelfrey this year, maybe a bad start but you deal with it and he will have a good second half and help make the playoff push. Spend the money on the bullpen not on high paid extra starters. We need to sign lowe and 2 or 3 guys “off the scrap heap” and use them if someone gets injured or to spot start on a doubleheader or something like that.
The problem I have with going with Niese out of the gate is Maine. We have no idea how he will come back. 1 injury and it’s back to Jose Limatime.
Sign a lower tier #5 and keep Niese for insurance.
LOWE… you want 7 years…. hold on… walk outside…LLLLLLLLLLMMMMMMMMMMMMFFFFFFFFFFFFFFAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.. after 10 minutes.. come back in.. i’m sorry lowe, i have to go.. i have a meeting with papa smurf, thanks for your time..
Can papa smurf throw strikes out of the pen?
sheets for 2 years, and trade for Vazquez (if the prospects are reasonable). that sound good to me.
Vargas is the dark horse for the rotation too, if they need a 5th starter.
mlb traderumors is reporting that the redsox have traded coo coo to the royals for rp ramerez…nice pick up for the sox. good end bullpen guy…we coulda used him :(
Actually I was hoping we could get Coco for LF this season. Maybe they will spin him. Either that or Gullien is on his way out.
I agree, I was hoping for Coco as a LF (man that would be a fast OF) or a 4th-OF type who fills in everywhere and splits time with Church.
The Royals gave up a guy who is Aaron Heilman in a good year, so now we know what Heilman’s worth is…no more Heilman for great player talk, clearly he lost a lot of value after this season.
I don’t think anyone thought Heilman alone would net anything significant. However, he would be a a nice part of a package.
derek lowe can go F himself
Of course Boras doesn’t expect a 7 year deal for Lowe, but by throwing that out there, it makes the 4-5 year deal for his client look like a bargain…it also lets the ballclub look like they beat down big bad Boras.
Boras is an evil genius
For this alone (if it’s actually true), I don’t want him here.
Stay out of this year’s big name market for SP. Trade for Vasquez and sign a lower tier guy like Johnson, Wolf, Sheets on a 2 year deal, etc.
Yeah I think I’m starting to lean this way. Vasquez isn’t a big downgrade from Lowe. I don’t know what it will take to get him though. Especially if the Mets are going to trade for a Closer/Setup guy like Street.
I am on the Sheets bandwagon, and i want the Mets to sign a guy like Penny and Mulder to Minor League contracts. Both i believe are going to start the year on the DL and come up through the minors. This way you can have a very effective guy sitting in the Minors. I’d much rather Penny of the 2.
Of those three, give me Sheets.
thats a-s-s-uming the vasquez proposal holds any weight…that has been bothering me a bit real. Do you think that proposal has merrit?
I think he will be traded. I don’t think there is a chance that we unload Castillo there without taking back Contreras too. However, I would be willing to give up some good prospects for Vasquez. Heilman, Parnell, Evans should be enough.
Hey Guys, according to another mets site, Daniel Murphy has been pulled from the AFL. He is no longer getting any playing time or any ABs. Can a trade be in the making?
The AFL is ending this week. So they are all going to go to Winter leagues, and i Believe Murphy is going to the Dominican league. So it was probably getting him a week or 2 of rest before he starts up Winter ball in the Dominican.
He going going to the Puerto Rican league with nick evans, evans already has started but there are no signs of muprhy!!!
I’m gonna be p.i.s.s.e.d if he gets traded and Castillo is still lurching at 2nd base come opening day. I don’t see any point in trading Daniel Murphy.
good point…I know Fmart is already ripping it up on his Dominican team.
I really hope not. If he is going somewhere, it better be in a package with Castillo for a stud.
But, I think he was injured a few weeks ago. This may just be precautionary?
which site?
mets fever
Only a fool would give Derek Lowe a long term contract.
Anything more than 2 yrs and 20 mill is foolish.
But we are the team that gave Castillo 25 mill when no one else wanted the guy.
Besides Houston who had offered 3/21 but yeah….
Houston never offered that
That was the rumor at the time and I would believe MLB sources over you anytime.
Besides, whether you like Omar or not, do you think he just said “Hmmm Castillo you look like a 4 year 24 million dollar man to me. I know no one else wants to sign you but hey lets do this. I could go 5 years if you want.”
It was rumored that other teams would go 3 years more money for Castillo and Omar opted for more years less money per year.
Look at what Houston paid Kaz Mat and tell me they would not have went 3 years 18+.
Kaz Mat got 3 years 15 million from Houston. He was the same age as Castillo without the track record and did not have as good of a season in 2007 as Castillo did.
haha…why do we overpay for crappy players and not ones that could be beneficial to us.
Like Beltran.
Beltran is not crappy, just overated. But not crappy.
Beltran is neither crappy nor overrated. Point was we did overpay and get a great player that we needed.
He’s not even overrated. Take Beltran out of the lineup and put, say, Mike Cameron in the lineup. Name a CF in MLB that you would rather have on your team other than Grady Sizemore….and that’s very much debatable.
Johnny Damon…. J/K
lmao…overrated
whats your basis for this statement ab lowe…the guy always stays healthy and always pitches well…i just don’t get it…OHH and he also threw to a 1.26 ERA in his last 10 games this year…but we’d be a fool to get this guy…i’m sure youd rather get aj burnett who is an injury waiting to happen and isnt much better than lowe if at all
I thought he was hurt? or has he played since? this could just be a case too where the Mets are coming to grips with him being on the 25 man and cant afford to have him get hurt in the offseason.
He got hurt but had already came back, he is batting .391 since his return from injury.
Off topic…Boston just seems to always get it right…they trade a 29-year-old spare part outfielder in his walk year for a 27-year-old late-game reliever who averaged 1K/9, gave up 2 HR in 72 innings and is under contract until 2012…They got younger, cheaper, and solved an overpopulation problem in one trade. Now they have the option of moving Masterson out of the bullpen and into the starting rotation, which makes them even younger overall…and all of this is a result of having a good farm system…
and a good GM
thats not a smart comment….Theo signed Julio Lugo to a much worse contract than Omar signed Castillo….and just cause we would take Lugo for Castillo doesnt mean the Sox wouldnt do the same as well….so both GM’s have made some bad moves, with Theo’s actually being worse
The difference between the two teams is that while Youk, Pedroia & Lester get better every year…Reyes stays the same, Wright regresses and Pelfrey still has a chance to pull a Lester
I was just playing along…
but…pedroia has only played 2 seasons and Youkilis is 29 years old and still hasn’t put up better “numbers” than wright. especially when you take away his breakout year this year.
I would take Reyes and Wright over any player on the Red sox right now. MVP or not, I dont care. Reyes plays a premium position and is damn good at it. same with Wright. Pedroia is great at 2b, but we can make due there.
I know Theo has made bad moves…they had Renteria and gave up on him after one season. But, he has done very well building his minor leagues and they can plug players in at any position with minimal drop-off…that said, our minor leagues will be very good in a few years IMO when our international signings start coming up…that is one area where Omar has done well…at least on paper.
did I mention he won 2 WS?
Epstein has done an excellent job of building that team around youth (Youkilis, Pedroia, Lester, Papelbon, Lowry, Ellsbury), withe the veterans plugging the gaps. That team is gonna be dangerous for years to come, and they still have depth in the minor league system. I hope our Minors look as good as Bostons in the near future.
Looks like a decent trade for both teams to me.
guillen will be traded.. if anything i want from kansas city is soria and david de jesus.. i think david will be a great addition to us.. but kc will be stupid to trade him.. or soria for that matter.. but then again.. they are KANSAS CITY ROYALS so..
KC has made some decent moves over the past few years… I doubt they trade DeJesus, b/c they love him and what he brings to the table, and the fans love him too (yes, the Royals do have a few fans). If anyone, it will be Guillen who gets traded. That was not one of their better moves.
Yeah, Soria would be great but I don’t see that happening either.
Yeah because that Barry Zito deal turned out well. I love Lowe and want him but “HECK NO” am I giving him 7 years or 6 years or 5 years
guys, an update on F-Mart in the dominican league:
he’s batting 375 6 doubles, 3 triples, 3 home runs 3 stolen bases, 15 rbi’s 13 rs, 444 obp in 20 games… and he’s batting over 300 against all the teams..
He’s going to be very good and the Mets better hold on to him. Although you will also get the “that’s the dominican league” and “he’s Alex Escobar” responses.
true, but i remember jose reyes always been hurt wit hus, went there in 2005-2006.. bulk up some, played really well over there, then in 2006 we now what happened.. i see the same for him.. f-mart will be good.
The kid is the real deal … lots of people don’t have patience with prospects. He’s very young.
Reyes did get hurt numerous times at age 19 and 20…
Fmart is off to a hot start no question. time for the kid to step it up. he’s still only 20 years old…its already been 4 years since we signed him…wow.
any word on angel pagan? is he still an option or under contract?
Pagan was taken off the 60-day DL on nov 4th…will be invited to Spring training.
I believe he is still under contract.
I think I’m going to have to get to Binghamton early in the season to see this kid play. All this hype. Gotta see him in action over a weekend…before that drive gets longer and turns into Buffalo.
theres a chance he could start in AAA according to Metsminorleagueblog
The sad thing about this is that signing Lowe for 7 years would be awful, but would probably still be a better investment than what SF did with Zito.
Cocain is a helluva drug…
I’ve only now stopped laughing since first reading Derek Lowe’s purported contract demands more than an hour ago.
My stomach and sides are killing me.
Makes perfect sense.
They Yankees have payroll flexibility, they historically pay over value and they need at least two free agent top of the line pitchers.
While the Yankees are still looking it makes perfect sense to shoot for the moon.
I would expect Lowe’s price to drop if the Yankees are out of it.
Yeah, Lowe’s price will drop once the Yanks lock up Sabathia and Burnett.
I’m incredibly leery of giving another old pitcher a 4 year deal…but Lowe has been crafty and consistent ever since coming to the NL. He would really look good slotted in between The Johan and Pelfrey.
can we just sign Carl Pavano already and get this over with? ad while we are at it, Turk Wendel is working out in Florida, and hoping to make a come back…
We should in all honesty go for Burnett, he’s still young, and is filthy, and it only helps that he’ll be in the NL again, where most teams are rookie heavy in the line-up and free swingers. Plus don;t you think he would make Howard look just as silly as Perez did?
Pitchers are crazy. Hopefully Omar realizes this and stops drafting future middle relievers and starts going after high ceiling pitching talent early in drafts. 7 years for a 35 year old? When Jon Garland for 4 years 10-12 million per seems like a bargain you know the market is out of control.
the problem isnt that lowe wants a 6 or 7 year deal bc he’s not getting that…hell get a 4 or 5…THE PROBLEM however is that the redsox and yankees are bidding for burnett and the loser will go and get lowe most likely…which leaves us sitting here with ollie again at 4 years and 48 million…which i dont know if i like
I’d give Lowe 4 years 44 mil. and give Krod 4 years 44 mil.
thats pretty much as far as id go
oc410: Where are the Mets going to get all this cash from?
The official NY Mets MLB web site is saying that it is “unlikely” that Pedro with be in a Mets uniform next year.