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Here is where part of the starting pitcher’s market stands, based on reports from the last few weeks:
So far, only the Braves, Mets and Yankees have been linked to Perez.
According to Ken Rosenthal at FoxSports.com, the Mets are only willing to pay $12 million per season to Perez, ‘who will probably want more.’
Perez is likely a four-year, $50 million contract, based on multiple reports.
The Red Sox, Blue Jays, Yankees, Braves, Phillies and Orioles have all been linked in rumor to Burnett.
In a report for ESPN.com, Buster Olney says it may take a fifth year, guaranteed, to sign Burnett.
According to the New York Post, the Yankees could offer Burnett a five-year, $80 million deal.
CC Sabathia
The Yankees have been linked most to Sabathia, followed by the Angels, Giants and Dodgers.
According to multiple reports, the Yankees have offered Sabathia a six-year deal, worth roughly $140 million.
The Giants plan to offer Sabathia a six-year deal, worth around $120 million, according to Dan Graziano in the Star-Ledger.
Lowe has been linked in rumor to the Yankees, Mets, Rangers, Braves, Red Sox and Dodgers.
He is seeking a five-year, $80 million deal, based on reports from ESPN.com and SI.com.
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Chase Utley out four to six months. He could miss 1/3 of the regular season.
wow, maybe they inquire us about castillo!!! ;-)
So The Mets will only give him 12 million a year but if he is seeking a 4 year 50 million dollar deal they wont give him the extra half a million a year?
I don’t think we are getting Lowe … I say resign Ollie and take a look at Sheets.
If we don’t get Lowe and lose Ollie over a million or so dollars a year that is bad.
Nicholas J. Salerno
I am guessing it’s the years too. The Mets are probably looking at 3/36 while he wants 4/50.
At age 26 a 4 year deal isn’t nearly as bad.. as 4 or 5 for Burnett or Lowe is
how about we give him his damn money but also pursue Lowe.
I would like to see two SP added this off-season. Either Ollie and Lowe or Ollie and Vazquez, it dont matter. But if we’re gonna sign Ollie, we still need to get another reliable(maybe not another since ollie isnt that reliable)..point is, spend some money dammit…pitching pitching pitching…the more the merrier. I would like to have Niese starting in AAA so we have some depth in case of injury.
While I agree, we also have to remember we need a closer and other BP guys too. If we have 35 million left and it cost 31 to sign 2 SP …..
15 mil for krod, 12-15 mil for ollie or lowe…then we’re gonna have to sign another BP arm, maybe another through trade, and then sign a journeyman SP…we’re gonna have to go up to 40 mil for all that IMO.
signing 2 good SP I guess isn’t going to happen.
WHAT ABOUT BEN SHEETS?
I’d be interested what his demands are right now?
if he doesnt have boras as his agent, it might be reasonable.
not sure why I used a ?
Why no interest from the Mets in Burnett or Sabathia? I don’t want to hear about how no team can have 2 $150 million plus pitchers on their team- if the SF GIants are looking into it, we should be. I guess Freddie will just take the Yankees’ leftover scraps- this is a joke.
Lowe is crazy at his age to ask for a 5 year deal.
I think it has less to do with money when it comes to Ollie. I don’t think the mets really want to give him the extra year or two.
I agree. I’d be okay with 16 million per over 4 years at most. 5 years for a 36/37 year old is just crazy.
can’t blame the guy for asking…in this day and age why not shoot for the moon. you gotta start high. and who knows, carlos silva got 58$ and 4 years, so anything is possible.
well he got more than 58$ more like 58 mil, i’m sure thats obvious to people.
I didn’t even notice the mistake until you pointed it out. 58$ for 4 yrs now that’s a deal! :-)
It was 4/48.
my b.
Mets are at worst the 4th richest team in baseball, and arguably the 2nd richest…yet we act like we are the Arizon D’Backs. I’m sick of it.
Me too. Lets leave this site and never come back!
Shh… did it work? Is he still here?
How do we act like the D-Backs when our payroll is amongst the highest in the game?
I wish we acted like the d-backs.. we’d have a world series this decade.. gone ot the playoffs in 07.. and one of the best young teams in baseball.
…we looked like the d-backs this september :-)
mistermet, I hope you are aware that you do not win any prizes for posting the exact same thing 8 or 10 times…no matter how silly it is.
In 2008, the Mets payroll was $138 million and the DBacks was about $66 million.
Can your posts get any more repetitive and dumb? I hope not.
It’s a double-edged sword— spending all of those $’s, that is. Have the Yankees been all that successful with a $200 million payroll? I think not.
We paid pretty seriously for Johan, don’t forget, and Carlos Beltran as well.
You don’t really want to tie your hands budget-wise (yes, there is such a thing!) if you were to do Johan and CC together.
Plus, all teams have to be evaluating possible revenue shortfalls due to the economy. Even with the new stadium, you just don’t know what the ripple effects are going to be.
The Wilpons have always spent the money– and they have done so judiciously. We will likely be shelling out some bucks for K-Rod and probably Ollie, Lowe or Sheets or someone else.
So, let’s not get all caught up in the spending frenzy. We have a team to build!
yup and we dont want to be bogged down in late-year contracts come 2011 when we will have to spend some big money for our left side of the infield.
come 2011, same goes for CF.
Starting in 1995 the Yankees made the post season 13 straight years before missing out last year. That is success by any standard with the lone exception being the Yankees own standard of either winning the WS or the year is a failure.
i was wondering what everyone thinks about sheets…the guy will definitely be injured but i think he missed like 5 starts last year? I’d be willing to pay him if hes only going to miss that many starts, but i guess its 50-50 because he could be injured for longer. Vegas anyone?
I say we go with the same rotation from last year. if Ollie wants 4/50 then do it, hes worth it. Id much rather that then overpaying for Lowe or giving more than 2 years to a guy like Sheets who has never been healthy. At least with Ollie we know what we are getting.
I also think that Pedro as the 5th starter with the right deal is the perfect option if the alternative is handing a rotation spot over to a guy who has 3 big league starts in Niese.
Niese/Vargas/Heilman if we cant find a trade should be backup options for when Petey inevitably gets hurt.
Unless the market gets more realistic for starters im perfectly content with Johan Pelf Ollie Healthy Maine and Pedro.
Concentrate on the pen, a RH bat for the outfield, and shipping Castillo out and getting a 2B who can walk
ben sheets and brad penny could be sleepers
penny might be worth taking a flier on. he had a pretty bad 08 but might just need a change of scenery plus his numbers will definitely get better since he wont have to face the mets.
haha but its actually fun when he faces the mets
If it is true and Lowe and Burnett get their 5 year 80 million deals from whomever not the Mets. Why not give Ollie 4 at 50 and Garland about the same maybe 3 at 30. That wouldn’t be a bad rotation. They would have no clear #2 but but 5 solid rotation guys. With Pelfrey hopefully continuing his progression and looking like a younger Brandon Webb. Could round out to a great rotation. Especially if Maine returns to his first half 2005 form. Also leaves Neise and Vargas in the minors to fill in a 6th starter/injury and leaves them open as trade options.
Johan
Pelfrey
Ollie
Garland
Maine
Is a pretty nice rotation.
No is not ! WHY ?????
GREAT #1 pitcher
Pelfrey will be great at #3(decent at #2)
ERRATIC at #3 (Ollie)
Inconsistent at #4 (Garland)
???? at #5 (because of the injury)
GREAT #1 pitcher
Pelfrey will be great at #3(decent at #2) Exactly what I said no clear #2 with him possibly stepping into the role
ERRATIC at #3 (Ollie) Exactly (name a team with a better #3)
Inconsistent at #4 (Garland) (will log 32 starts and 200 innings winning about 14 games)
???? at #5 (because of the injury) (exacly leaves room for Neise/Vargas if he gets injured)
What is wrong with that. Is it better or worse then:
2008: Johan, Maine, Ollie, Pedro, Pelfrey?
Figgy, Lawrence, Knight, Armas logging 14 starts
or better yet
2007: Glavine, Orlando Hernandez, Maine, Ollie
With Jorge Sosa for 14 starts.
or even
2006:
Glavine, Pedro, Trachel, Hernandez. Then the 5th being Maine(16) Perez(7) Soler(7) Bannister(6) Zambrano(5)
And the 2006 team went to the World Series!!!!!
I don’t see much of a problem with this. Garland was #4 on the Angels, and was a #3 on the WS champ White Sox. He would be a great innings eater at #4. Ollie was a very inconsistent #3 but was good enough there. Mets aren’t getting CC, and not looking like Lowe as of today. What better options are there.
Almost went to the World Series…. Sorry^
Here are my “if I was Omar” off-season moves… feel free to tear them apart.
FA:
- F-Rod – 3 yrs w/ an option for the 4th
- Cordero – 1-2 yrs, incentive laden
- Sheets – 1-2 yrs, incentive laden
- Dunn – 4 yrs w. option for 5th yr (I’d take Bradley as well)
Trades:
- Dye
- Street (or another quality reliever)
Trade Chips:
- Delgado, Heilman, Feliciano, Niese, Parnell, Kunz, Evans, Muniz, Carp
Drop:
- Castillo
* I won’t attempt to line up potential trades, but I do think some combo of the chips above can net us Dye and a reliable reliever.
Rotation:
Santana
Sheets
Pelf
Maine
Neise *if not traded or FA (Garland)
* I think Lowe/Burnett/Ollie will be too expensive. We would need to sign pitching depth in case Sheets goes down. Worst case scenario we are buyers at the trade deadline (and there goes F-Mart).
BP:
F-Rod
Street (or another reliever via trade)
Cordero
Dirty
Show (Lefties only)
Smith (Righties only)
Figgy/Parnell/Holt/whoever
Line Up:
Reyes
Murph
Wright
Dunn
Beltran
Dye
Church
Schneider
Bench: Endy, Tatis, Castro, ?
Solid line up. Solid Rotation. Solid BP. Lot’s of upside potential. Omar can fill in the rest with some pitching and bench depth.
But that’s a hell of a team in my opinion.
Salary might be an issue. Any thoughts?
Yeah, I would rather have Delgado than Dunn.
So you want to give up 7 draft picks, a ton of prospects, and commit a boatload of money? Glad you’re not the GM…
We wouldn’t loose 7 draft picks it doesnt work that way.
LOL, even I know that.
haha, didnt know we had 7 first round draft picks to give up.
Sheets scares me with the injuries !
why? you love our bullpen willie :-)
hows your knee feeling murph?
get sheets.. we can be worrying about injuries right now, remeber vladimir guerrero? anybody.. anybody..
I like Sheets for 2 years and a team option at best, but 3 guaranteed seems to be the least hell settle for according to mlbtraderumors. At 12-15 mil a year (which im sure hell get) you cant risk an extra year guaranteed when 2 years is even a gamble
santana
pelfrey
maine
lowe
garland or ollie
k-rod (9th)
cruz (8th)
dirty (6-7th)
feliciano or beimel (6-7th)
smith (6-7th)
stokes (long)
reyes
beltran
wright
delgado
dye
church
murphy (if he can play 2b)
scheinder
that’s the minimum the mets can do to compete next year for a ws title
Way too much money spent for this to work.
Mets say they have about 30 million they are willing to spend. Garland/ollie is at least 10(probably more). 15 for Lowe. 15 for Krod. 11 for Dye. 5 for Crus and Beimel.
so your adding an estimated 51 million when the mets said they are on an estimated 30 million dollar budget.
So i don’t see all that happening.
then they won’t compete for a title. period.
they are making a profit according to forbes.
not to mention millions coming of the books and a news stadium and sny making record profits.
Right because the 2008 Phillies had no holes at all. Come on, it’s not all about super stars and money. We can do without Dye and the SP does not have to be Lowe.
A rotation of Johan, Pelfrey, Vasquez, Johnson, Maine saves a lot of money to spend other places.
Your bullpen is not unrealistic. It’s just the 2 big name SP and Dye that throw you over.
Vasquez and Johnson combined would cost you Lowe.
Then you can have Dye.
16 million for the pitchers
10 for Dye
15 for Krod
But then you can’t afford anymore bullpen help either.
i listed one pitcher who might be considered a superstar. one.
garland? lowe? dye? ollie? cruz?
where are the big names?
Not big names, big name contracts.
Lowe wants 16+ a year. Thats a lot of money.
Dye makes 10+ a year
Ollie wants 12+ a year
Cruz will most likely get 5 or 6 a year.
They just don’t have that much room and stay under the cap. If you want to trade Delgado and pick up all of those then you can.
if they can’t afford the extra $10-15m then they need to find a way to solve the problem:
1. fire the people who haven’t built the system up
2. sell the team
3. invest in scouting and bite the bullet.
Right. At the most they will spend 35 million more total. That means 1 top SP, 1 top closer and a bunch of if ands.
mets are making the third largest profit in baseball. well over $30 million.
forbes.com/lists/2008/33/biz_baseball08_The-Business-Of-Baseball_Rank.html
+ the value of the team has jumped 47% in 6 years
What is your point? They spent the most in the NL last season. They are not going to go over the luxury tax. I thought we already covered this.
With Delgado included the Mets had somewhere around 42-47 million dollars that they could spend and still leave a little flexibliity around the tax. Now with Delgado they have 30-35 what is so hard to understand?
Besides you can’t solve all the problems with money.
and their payroll has skyrocketed since Omar became the GM. So it equals out.
I don’t get your point. Because the yanks spent 200 million the Mets must have to also.
They haven’t won anything in going on 9 years. Since the 2000 world series. Yet they have spent the most money in baseball over that time, and it’s not even close.
So stop complaining about them not spending enough money. Sometimes it’s warranted, most of the time it’s not.
who mentioned the yankees?
the mets make bad decision which require money to fix.
i’d spend the money gathering a superior scouting team, but that apparently isn’t the mets approach. instead they have to sepnd it on free agents or make trades with limited chips hoping another team must get rid of a player (worked out great with santana)
How do you know they don’t spend more money then anyone on Scouting and Player Development?
You see the teams financial sheets?
Every team makes bad decisions. But it’s a fine line between player development/free agency/ trading that wins.
again. it’s not about the money. they don’t have the right talent it terms of selecting players.
they haven’t won a world series in 22 years with the second most revenue in baseball.
it’s pretty obvious. they’ve had plenty of high picks.
I’d like to add Sheets, Vasquez, Dunn, Salty, and K-Rod. Why can’t it just happen.
Ummm….. because life is not fair?
I think we should offer 6 yrs, 141MM for CC.
I am actually much more interested in Tex who they now say will look for a Miggy type contract.
I am also. He’s a great fielder, a Power threat from both sides of the plate, Still very young. His preferred place to sign is in Washington DC area ( Nats, O’s) because he’s from Maryland. So NY isn’t that far off. Wouldn’t get a home-town discount, but isn’t opposed to the east coast.
I think he’s a pipe dream though. But you never know what’s brewing. We only hear probably 30% of what is actually going on. And from the Mets Front office so far we have a Goose Egg on everything other then Tatis resigning.
What do you do with Delgado? Trade him for a left fielder?
Trade him for anything. He’s a bargain for many AL teams. 12 mil for one season.
There is lots you can do with him. Include sit his sulking A$% on the Bench.
I want him gone gone gone. Package him and castillo to American Airlines for airline tickets for all I care. I don’t want either on this team.
we have to make a run at Tex… next years FA first basemen are scary… with him in the middle of the lineup we actually may have someone who will get clutch hits … forget CC we have Santana… get a first basemen that we can plug in for the next decade…. 5yrs for lowe, burnett, ollie is just crazy….
Just a thought:
I think the discussion going on about Heilman is relevant here. Several people have pointed out that his stats as a starter were decent, maybe because of a better delivery. His confidence is shot, yes; but what if the team said, “Look, Aaron, you’ll compete in spring training for the fifth starter slot.” Don’t you think that would give him a new lease on life?
Six or seven teams are reportedly interested in him as a starter. What do they know that we don’t? If it were only one GM who’d known him in college or the low minors, I’d say, All right, that explains it. But six or seven GMs want him. Why not give him a try?
The beauty of that scenario–if it works–is obvious. We could re-sign Ollie or not, but even if not, that leaves only one starter to acquire. Niese spends the year in AAA, where he belongs, for now. We trade no blue-chip prospects, rush no one to the majors. And best of all, we have, after signing one starter, between $10 million and $15 million left with which to sign relievers, and maybe more.
Well it would be way to late to re-sign or sign anyone if we wait to see if it works.
I say if we can move him for a piece that would indeed help the team out this year or in the future do it. He is unhappy here and in the bullpen. We as fans are unhappy with him here and in the bullpen. So it’s a Win Win for everyone involved. If he goes on and wins 25 games with his new team, ok our scouting and development team should be fired for not letting him start. Changes are he won’t be so effective we will be kicking ourselves.
teixera and sabathia will not sign with the mets and leave more money on the table from better teams like the Yankees, Red Sox and Angels.
Teixera or Sabathia has the same chance of coming to the Mets as Luis Castillo does winning the NL MVP next year.
There is a Chance that we get on, be it a very very small chance. C.C. is all but signed on the Yanks. Unless one of the Cali teams comes and offers 125-135 or 160 for 7 years, he will be on the yanks.
Teixeria wants to play in DC, so that’s the Nationals or O’s. But in reality what’s the next closest city to there that can afford him. NY.
I don’t think the mets would Shell out 20 mil a year for him so i don’t see it happening. But I would love to see it happen.
of course who wouldnt want Teixera but even if the Mets did put up 20 mil a year the yankees will offer 25 and plus we have a very good 1B of our own, albiet only for 1 more year
The Yankees shop at Tiffany’s and the Mets shop at the discount rack on the corner store. Some things never change.