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		<title>By: gomets019</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2008/11/21/catcher-mets-open-to-trading-schneider/#comment-392521</link>
		<dc:creator>gomets019</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It took you three posts to make sense of this mess of an idea and I&#039;m still not sure you get it yourself. What possessed you to think  anyone else could follow it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It took you three posts to make sense of this mess of an idea and I&#8217;m still not sure you get it yourself. What possessed you to think  anyone else could follow it?</p>
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		<title>By: therealsince86</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2008/11/21/catcher-mets-open-to-trading-schneider/#comment-392515</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 02:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s just the thing.  Castro can&#039;t stay healthy and Schnieder, who knows.  They are both gone after this year, trade them now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s just the thing.  Castro can&#8217;t stay healthy and Schnieder, who knows.  They are both gone after this year, trade them now.</p>
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		<title>By: therealsince86</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2008/11/21/catcher-mets-open-to-trading-schneider/#comment-392514</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 02:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trade Schnieder AND Castro for prospects and then spin those guys for Molina.  Adding his RH bat to the bottom of our order would be a huge impact.  The guy had 95 RBI on a terrible team last season.  Let him bat 7th here and see what happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trade Schnieder AND Castro for prospects and then spin those guys for Molina.  Adding his RH bat to the bottom of our order would be a huge impact.  The guy had 95 RBI on a terrible team last season.  Let him bat 7th here and see what happens.</p>
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		<title>By: vic79</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2008/11/21/catcher-mets-open-to-trading-schneider/#comment-392459</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catcher is the least of their problem

get a Closer, Set up man, Lefty reliever and OF Righty Bat

I think 2B stays the same but they get a IF backup that can step in if he stinks again or gets hurt.........no one is going to take him for 3 yrs but i could be proven wrong

I am fine with Schneider and Castro , they just need to stay healthy and bat 8th</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catcher is the least of their problem</p>
<p>get a Closer, Set up man, Lefty reliever and OF Righty Bat</p>
<p>I think 2B stays the same but they get a IF backup that can step in if he stinks again or gets hurt&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;no one is going to take him for 3 yrs but i could be proven wrong</p>
<p>I am fine with Schneider and Castro , they just need to stay healthy and bat 8th</p>
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		<title>By: metsblow4show</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2008/11/21/catcher-mets-open-to-trading-schneider/#comment-392428</link>
		<dc:creator>metsblow4show</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mark, Jose Reyes is the 2nd best shortstop in baseball? Have you been partying with Rick Peterson? He isn&#039;t even the 2nd best shortstop in the NL East. Hanley Ramirez and Jimmy Rollins are both superior. He isn&#039;t even the best shortstop in New York. Secondly, Brian Schneider is the least of the Muts problems. He is an average hitting catcher but solid defensively and thats all you need. The Phillies just won the World Series with a catcher who hit only.219. The Muts have no bullpen,a clubhouse cancer at second base,they are in desparate need of another solid starter,in need of 2 solid corner outfielders (Ryan Church is a nice player but no more then a fourth outfielder on a good team) and they have no team chemistry or clubhouse leaders .I agree with Steadyeddie about Reyes&#039; antics. If he wants to dance then let him go on Dancing with the Stars. He needs to lose the &quot;I&quot; and start spreading the &quot;we&quot; and maybe then the Muts trainers will get a break in September with all the choking going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mark, Jose Reyes is the 2nd best shortstop in baseball? Have you been partying with Rick Peterson? He isn&#8217;t even the 2nd best shortstop in the NL East. Hanley Ramirez and Jimmy Rollins are both superior. He isn&#8217;t even the best shortstop in New York. Secondly, Brian Schneider is the least of the Muts problems. He is an average hitting catcher but solid defensively and thats all you need. The Phillies just won the World Series with a catcher who hit only.219. The Muts have no bullpen,a clubhouse cancer at second base,they are in desparate need of another solid starter,in need of 2 solid corner outfielders (Ryan Church is a nice player but no more then a fourth outfielder on a good team) and they have no team chemistry or clubhouse leaders .I agree with Steadyeddie about Reyes&#8217; antics. If he wants to dance then let him go on Dancing with the Stars. He needs to lose the &#8220;I&#8221; and start spreading the &#8220;we&#8221; and maybe then the Muts trainers will get a break in September with all the choking going on.</p>
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		<title>By: rustyjr</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2008/11/21/catcher-mets-open-to-trading-schneider/#comment-392331</link>
		<dc:creator>rustyjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey guys just read on mlb trade rumors the dodgers aren&#039;t gonna resign bemial... thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey guys just read on mlb trade rumors the dodgers aren&#8217;t gonna resign bemial&#8230; thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: nyj0126</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 06:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other guy I think the Mets should consider is Kenshin Kawakami and Koji Uehara from Japan... But here&#039;s a mix of what I&#039;d like to see and what I think will happen...

1. SS Reyes
2. 2B Hudson
3. 3B Wright
4. CF Beltran
5. 1B Delgado
6. RF Church
7. LF Murphy/Tatis
8.  C  Schneider/Castro

1. Santana
2. Pelfrey
3. Maine
4. Vazquez
5. Brad Penny

Brian Stokes or Bobby Parnell - Long Reliever
Duaner Sanchez - Right-handed middle reliever
Pedro Feliciano - Lefty Specialist
Joe Smith - Righty Specialist
Joe Beimel - 7th Inning Set-Up
Huston Street - 8th Inning Set-Up
K-Rod - Closer

Bench: Castro, Easley, Chavez, Pagan &amp; Tatis (or Murphy depending on who you consider starter). The Mets have to cut ties with Marlon Anderson.

1) Send Castillo + 8 million to White Sox for Javier Vazquez.

In the Mets eyes, they were going to gave to pay Castillo out 15 million in a buyout anyway. But it&#039;s like they got to save seven million. So instead of Vazquez deal looking like 2 years/23 million, it really only looks like 2 years/16 million which is a lot better. From the White Sox perspective, they&#039;re saving 13 million. Another team may be willing to take him if the White Sox sent paid for like 4 million, so it&#039;s really like getting Castillo on a 3 year/6 million deal which isn&#039;t that bad.

Than sign Brad Penny to an incentive laden one year deal with a team option for a second. Guarantee him 6 million. He&#039;s been a good pitcher in the past. He wouldn&#039;t be a bad 5 pitcher. If they wanted to go more safe, sign Odalis Perez who will not require losing a pick. He might want more than one year though. Follow up this move by trading a package of Heilman, Evans and possibly another mid-level prospect to the Rockies for Huston Street. Follow up this move by looking for someone to take Schoenweis off our hands for little. If they Mets were able to get Mota&#039;s 3.2 million out of here last season, they can do it again with Schoenweis who&#039;s not coming off the worst year statistically.

Sign Orlando Hudson a 4 year/46 million contract. The market will rise his value. He&#039;ll get more than 10 million per season, but I don&#039;t believe he&#039;ll get 5 years. Not without taking a lower dollar amount at least. Than sign Francisco Rodriguez to a 4 year/52 million contract. They will (and have) started negotiating from a three year deal and are working there way up. Perhaps the Mets will get lucky and no one else will come in. The Mets will eventually have to give in when someone else like Texas splashes in with a 3 year/43 million offer. K-Rod wants to pitch here so if the Mets are willing to work something out than everyone will be happy. After this move, sign Joe Beimel to a 3 year/12 million contract. That seems to be the going rate for a good left-handed reliever. Dennys Reyes is the same age and has been similarly effective over the past three seasons, so his name will be out there too. As will Will Ohman. Less reliable but lesser year options are Rhodes &amp; Shouse. Without Wagner or Schoenweis, the Mets would be down to one left-handed reliever. Feliciano was over worked last season. It&#039;s possible he may be traded. If the Mets don&#039;t acquire Street though, signing Juan Cruz or David Weathers should be considered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other guy I think the Mets should consider is Kenshin Kawakami and Koji Uehara from Japan&#8230; But here&#8217;s a mix of what I&#8217;d like to see and what I think will happen&#8230;</p>
<p>1. SS Reyes<br />
2. 2B Hudson<br />
3. 3B Wright<br />
4. CF Beltran<br />
5. 1B Delgado<br />
6. RF Church<br />
7. LF Murphy/Tatis<br />
8.  C  Schneider/Castro</p>
<p>1. Santana<br />
2. Pelfrey<br />
3. Maine<br />
4. Vazquez<br />
5. Brad Penny</p>
<p>Brian Stokes or Bobby Parnell &#8211; Long Reliever<br />
Duaner Sanchez &#8211; Right-handed middle reliever<br />
Pedro Feliciano &#8211; Lefty Specialist<br />
Joe Smith &#8211; Righty Specialist<br />
Joe Beimel &#8211; 7th Inning Set-Up<br />
Huston Street &#8211; 8th Inning Set-Up<br />
K-Rod &#8211; Closer</p>
<p>Bench: Castro, Easley, Chavez, Pagan &amp; Tatis (or Murphy depending on who you consider starter). The Mets have to cut ties with Marlon Anderson.</p>
<p>1) Send Castillo + 8 million to White Sox for Javier Vazquez.</p>
<p>In the Mets eyes, they were going to gave to pay Castillo out 15 million in a buyout anyway. But it&#8217;s like they got to save seven million. So instead of Vazquez deal looking like 2 years/23 million, it really only looks like 2 years/16 million which is a lot better. From the White Sox perspective, they&#8217;re saving 13 million. Another team may be willing to take him if the White Sox sent paid for like 4 million, so it&#8217;s really like getting Castillo on a 3 year/6 million deal which isn&#8217;t that bad.</p>
<p>Than sign Brad Penny to an incentive laden one year deal with a team option for a second. Guarantee him 6 million. He&#8217;s been a good pitcher in the past. He wouldn&#8217;t be a bad 5 pitcher. If they wanted to go more safe, sign Odalis Perez who will not require losing a pick. He might want more than one year though. Follow up this move by trading a package of Heilman, Evans and possibly another mid-level prospect to the Rockies for Huston Street. Follow up this move by looking for someone to take Schoenweis off our hands for little. If they Mets were able to get Mota&#8217;s 3.2 million out of here last season, they can do it again with Schoenweis who&#8217;s not coming off the worst year statistically.</p>
<p>Sign Orlando Hudson a 4 year/46 million contract. The market will rise his value. He&#8217;ll get more than 10 million per season, but I don&#8217;t believe he&#8217;ll get 5 years. Not without taking a lower dollar amount at least. Than sign Francisco Rodriguez to a 4 year/52 million contract. They will (and have) started negotiating from a three year deal and are working there way up. Perhaps the Mets will get lucky and no one else will come in. The Mets will eventually have to give in when someone else like Texas splashes in with a 3 year/43 million offer. K-Rod wants to pitch here so if the Mets are willing to work something out than everyone will be happy. After this move, sign Joe Beimel to a 3 year/12 million contract. That seems to be the going rate for a good left-handed reliever. Dennys Reyes is the same age and has been similarly effective over the past three seasons, so his name will be out there too. As will Will Ohman. Less reliable but lesser year options are Rhodes &amp; Shouse. Without Wagner or Schoenweis, the Mets would be down to one left-handed reliever. Feliciano was over worked last season. It&#8217;s possible he may be traded. If the Mets don&#8217;t acquire Street though, signing Juan Cruz or David Weathers should be considered.</p>
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		<title>By: nyj0126</title>
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		<dc:creator>nyj0126</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 06:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although it doesn&#039;t appear there are many teams out there who&#039;d give K-Rod more than 3 years, it may eventually come down to that. It won&#039;t be Detroit, Cleveland or even St. Louis who&#039;d confident in Chris Perez and other&#039;s. It&#039;ll be Texas. K-Rod&#039;s getting more than 12 million per year. If he signs at three years, he&#039;ll get near 42 million. If he manages to get 4, he&#039;ll probably get about 52 million. They should try to work out some incentive mutual option for a 4th year based on IP&#039;s, saves or All-Star appearances.

We&#039;ve thought Omar would do a lot of things he wouldn&#039;t do. And he&#039;s done a lot of things we wouldn&#039;t do. I really would have loved for him to revamp the bullpen after the collapse. But he chose not to. When he did that prior to the &#039;06 season, there was a much higher level of success. I do see some a platoon of Murphy and Tatis. It&#039;s not like the Phillies will have much better things going on with Geoff Jenkins and an OF like Jay Payton. I&#039;d like for them to explore the idea of Manny, Dunn or Ibanez, but I understand it&#039;s unlikely because of their priorities. The White Sox aren&#039;t going to take Castillo for Vazquez unless the Mets eat half of his contract. And honestly, I really wouldn&#039;t have a problem with that. Because if the Mets were to buyout Castillo, they&#039;d only save like 3 million at most. Vazquez is only on 2 years which looks more attractive than the year total Ollie, Garland or Wolf will be seeking. A more likely scenario would be a swap of Schoenweis and Vazquez.

The some other prospects for Molina may be a lot. The Giants have rumored to want Daniel Murphy or Bobby Parnell. Neither one is worth parting with for Molina. Nor Ramon Hernandez from the O&#039;s. Or Olivo from KC. I like both of those players, but neither one is vital. Most teams don&#039;t have good hitting catchers. Schneider and Castro are only signed through one more season. Vazquez has never had less than 11 wins, 32 starts, 198 IP or 150 K&#039;s in the previous nine seasons. Nor higher than a 4.42 ERA in the NL. So the Mets would see him more as a 4 pitcher than a 5. They&#039;d likely have to sign another SP (i.e. Odalis Perez) to a one or two year deal in preparation of Niese. Or they may just turn the role over to Niese. They don&#039;t have the chips they&#039;d be willing to part with to get Jackson or Sonnastine. They could trade Heilman, but it&#039;ll take more. And it&#039;s likely they&#039;ll circle a trade around him for a set up man like Huston Street. It&#039;s probably cost the Mets Ryan Church or Jon Niese. Or at the very least Murphy or Parnell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although it doesn&#8217;t appear there are many teams out there who&#8217;d give K-Rod more than 3 years, it may eventually come down to that. It won&#8217;t be Detroit, Cleveland or even St. Louis who&#8217;d confident in Chris Perez and other&#8217;s. It&#8217;ll be Texas. K-Rod&#8217;s getting more than 12 million per year. If he signs at three years, he&#8217;ll get near 42 million. If he manages to get 4, he&#8217;ll probably get about 52 million. They should try to work out some incentive mutual option for a 4th year based on IP&#8217;s, saves or All-Star appearances.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve thought Omar would do a lot of things he wouldn&#8217;t do. And he&#8217;s done a lot of things we wouldn&#8217;t do. I really would have loved for him to revamp the bullpen after the collapse. But he chose not to. When he did that prior to the &#8217;06 season, there was a much higher level of success. I do see some a platoon of Murphy and Tatis. It&#8217;s not like the Phillies will have much better things going on with Geoff Jenkins and an OF like Jay Payton. I&#8217;d like for them to explore the idea of Manny, Dunn or Ibanez, but I understand it&#8217;s unlikely because of their priorities. The White Sox aren&#8217;t going to take Castillo for Vazquez unless the Mets eat half of his contract. And honestly, I really wouldn&#8217;t have a problem with that. Because if the Mets were to buyout Castillo, they&#8217;d only save like 3 million at most. Vazquez is only on 2 years which looks more attractive than the year total Ollie, Garland or Wolf will be seeking. A more likely scenario would be a swap of Schoenweis and Vazquez.</p>
<p>The some other prospects for Molina may be a lot. The Giants have rumored to want Daniel Murphy or Bobby Parnell. Neither one is worth parting with for Molina. Nor Ramon Hernandez from the O&#8217;s. Or Olivo from KC. I like both of those players, but neither one is vital. Most teams don&#8217;t have good hitting catchers. Schneider and Castro are only signed through one more season. Vazquez has never had less than 11 wins, 32 starts, 198 IP or 150 K&#8217;s in the previous nine seasons. Nor higher than a 4.42 ERA in the NL. So the Mets would see him more as a 4 pitcher than a 5. They&#8217;d likely have to sign another SP (i.e. Odalis Perez) to a one or two year deal in preparation of Niese. Or they may just turn the role over to Niese. They don&#8217;t have the chips they&#8217;d be willing to part with to get Jackson or Sonnastine. They could trade Heilman, but it&#8217;ll take more. And it&#8217;s likely they&#8217;ll circle a trade around him for a set up man like Huston Street. It&#8217;s probably cost the Mets Ryan Church or Jon Niese. Or at the very least Murphy or Parnell.</p>
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		<title>By: nyj0126</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 05:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of what you mentioned is exactly why his trade value is still pretty high. I really wish the Mets would consider him as an option as a SP if they were not to trade him. I really don&#039;t get why Omar keeps saying for the good of the team he should be in the bullpen. Why? Wouldn&#039;t it be more cost friendly to sign David Weathers or Russ Springer at 3 million a year and move Heilman as your 5 pitcher rather than sign Paul Byrd or Odalis Perez for like 7-8 million a year?

Heilman had a horrible year. I see potential in him. But not as a Met. And if as a Met, not as a member of the bullpen. He&#039;s against being in the bullpen. He&#039;s miserable. He knows he&#039;s being screwed out of money being a reliever. All he&#039;s asking for is an opportunity. The Mets can bring in a set up man of much higher quality if they just explore for the right trade. If Minaya shows initiative, we&#039;ll all be happy. Those are the things that separate average GM&#039;s from good ones. According to the Wilpon&#039;s sometimes though, mediocrity is an adequate consolation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of what you mentioned is exactly why his trade value is still pretty high. I really wish the Mets would consider him as an option as a SP if they were not to trade him. I really don&#8217;t get why Omar keeps saying for the good of the team he should be in the bullpen. Why? Wouldn&#8217;t it be more cost friendly to sign David Weathers or Russ Springer at 3 million a year and move Heilman as your 5 pitcher rather than sign Paul Byrd or Odalis Perez for like 7-8 million a year?</p>
<p>Heilman had a horrible year. I see potential in him. But not as a Met. And if as a Met, not as a member of the bullpen. He&#8217;s against being in the bullpen. He&#8217;s miserable. He knows he&#8217;s being screwed out of money being a reliever. All he&#8217;s asking for is an opportunity. The Mets can bring in a set up man of much higher quality if they just explore for the right trade. If Minaya shows initiative, we&#8217;ll all be happy. Those are the things that separate average GM&#8217;s from good ones. According to the Wilpon&#8217;s sometimes though, mediocrity is an adequate consolation.</p>
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		<title>By: Cactus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cactus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there is no truth to pelfrey pitching better with schneider.  it didn&#039;t even happen like chan ho parking lot said where it coincided with schneider getting healthy. he&#039;s remembering last season incorrectly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is no truth to pelfrey pitching better with schneider.  it didn&#8217;t even happen like chan ho parking lot said where it coincided with schneider getting healthy. he&#8217;s remembering last season incorrectly.</p>
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