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“The Mets received the medical information on Francisco Rodriguez, according to David Lennon in Newsday.
Lennon believes the team’s next step will be to look over the information, after which they 
will meet face-to-face with Rodriguez before an offer is made.
Initially, Rodriguez had been seeking a five-year deal, according to previous reports.
However, an official with one team told Jayson Stark at ESPN.com, “I’d be shocked if he gets a five-year deal at this point.”
Meanwhile, today in the New York Post, Joel Sherman says the Mets are unwilling to offer a fourth year to any closer, let alone five years to Rodriguez.
According to Sherman, the Mets are in ‘four corners mode,’ stalling to get a grip on the market, while considering Kerry Wood or Trevor Hoffman on a short-term deal, as well waiting to see if J.J. Putz becomes available in trade.
“Of all the potential closers,” Sherman writes, “Putz intrigues them because of a combination of stuff and affordability.”
Putz is due $13.8 million over the next two seasons.
…it’s frustrating, but the Mets are playing this correctly…
…neither K-Rod nor Brian Fuentes are going to sign a deal without giving the Mets a chance to counter…so, why jump first…in the meantime, they can check in on other options, while hopefully weighing down the market…
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Just look at that picture and tell me how much that would get on the Phillies’ nerves. For that reason alone, I would give him 5 years.
Agreed.
Luckily for us, we won’t need to give him 5 years.
I’m thinking 3 guaranteed with a PLAYER-option for a 4th @ $14.5M per
or
4 guaranteed with a CLUB-option for a 5th @ $14M with $2M buyout.
Thats what i am thinking, a gauranteed 3 year deal, with an option for a 4th with a large buyout.
I said from the beginning that they will end up getting him for something like 4 years 50 mil.
Now I think it might be more like 3 years 40 mil with a club option for a 4th at $15 mil with a buyout of $4.
But I also think that it will be some type of vesting option based on appearances to give him a little incentive
Omar (in the very near future)…
“Well, normally we don’t give out anything over 3-yr. deals to relievers but Frankie is not a 3-yr. type of free agent. He commanded more after the year…you know…he had, so we gave him that fourth year….you know….because we feel we needed what he brings to get us to become…you know…satisfied with the direction of our bullpen next year.”
I will welcome the rambling so long as K-Rod is our closer in 2009 :)
I can see him pointing to the sky and Jimmy Rollins talking smack about it. It will be great! At least Chase Utley can’t talk smack about it until June :-) pr-ick
LMFAO!!!! that’s just plain wrong but, you know, it was funny, you know…..
lol very true.
i dont think anyone has seen this new thread yet. uh, testes, testes, 1-2-3. uh, huh huh huh. uh huh huh huh.
-B. Head
well, if we sign him there will be more reason for other teams to hate us.. I LIKE IT!!!! now we sign manny in case somebody wanna mess with us.. not that soft spoken lil squeaky voice d wright has after somebody say something bad about the mets.. we need a intimidating presence in our lineup.. NOBODY HAS THAT IN THIS TEAM!!!
I think Ryan Church, while not the outspoken and intimidating type, can lay anyone out
Im a fan of ryan church and hope he stays on the team. He is definitely one of those grind it out types.
Yeah, he definitely *looks* white.
(joking, joking)
You know what, that’s a great point. Manny would be great for this team…
I’d throw 3 years/85M his way, and
4 years/60M at KRod,
HOPEFULLY trade Heilman/Evans for Street,
Castillo/Carp for Vasquez,
Sign Cordero
and say
BRING IT PHILLY
You don’t have the money to stay under the luxury tax to do all of that.
If you get Manny you can forget any decent SP upgrades.
Besides, what I don’t get is why would we spend 8 million more a year to get Manny over Tex a young guy that can actually field too?
You want to give Manny 85 million for 3 years but not 160 to Tex for 8 years? That’s kinda funny to me.
whats funny is that you think we would have a chance at Tex…he’s going to the Red Sox, Yankess, or Angels…done.
As has been stated many times regarding pitching, we’d rather pay more for less years than less over more years.
Now, I don’t argue that we should go after Tex, I think we should and I would love to have him, I’m just being realistic. Theres a better chance we spend and get Manny than us getting Tex.
what is also true, is that if we did spend for Krod and Manny, you’re right, our SP would bring a very interesting dilemma.
Luxury tax… good point… But, the starting pitching on the FA market isn’t great… Lowe wants Zito money???? He’s really not that good, and he’s 36. Hello, McFLY!!!!
I hope he ends back in Boston. If anyone intrigues me, it’s Ben Sheets…
Burnett wants 5 years, no thanks. I like Ollie, but I’d rather see a Santana Sheets 1/2 than Ollie as a #4 being paid like a #2…
Agree on all of your other points.
That’s why I say get Vasquez and then make lower offers to guys for the #5 spot.
Nothing says we have to spend ALL of our money this season on bad contracts and tie up all the money for 2010. Especially when we can have Roberts for 2B then.
Still don’t see the logic behind not going 20 a year for Tex. It’s not really that big of a deal anymore in this market. In 2 years 20 million will be a bargain.
I would hope 3/85 would be enough but who knows with boras. Other than that I definitely like your idea. Unfortunately it seems too shrewd for Omar to pull off.
I think the Mets should just sign K-Rod. Give him 5 years or whatever. We don’t care about the money, and they’ll raise ticket prices anyway. I’m okay with them waiting for the timing of trades, but it’s New York, and the Mets will be fine, financially. Why not wait for JJ Putz to become available AFTER we already have K-Rod? Maybe this is all a facade to placate the commissioner. How much do the Wilpons really care about money?
We already have a team in NY like that
What happened to Jenks?
Would cost way too much in terms of prospects based on what I’ve heard and read. They want a ransom for him.
and rightly so.
If we get Putz first that drives K-rods price down further…..economics 101
Exactly or even if Krod plays hard ball and we can’t get him a closing tandum of Putz and Fuentes could work as well as long as it’s Fuentes at 3/30 at the most.
I think it is clear that Omar wants to overhaul the pen. I am guessing we get
Krod AND Putz or Street
Another FA like Beimel or even a guy like Eddie Guardado on a short term deal.
Krod
Putz/Street
Guardado
Smith
Stokes
Parnell
Show/Feliciano
That’s a pretty decent pen. I would rather not have Show or Feliciano but we do need 2 LOOGY’s.
Is Ayala a FA or would he be under contract still? He pitched pretty well for us in September and wouldn’t mind him having a shot at the 7th or 8th innings especially 1 more year removed from the arm surgery. He was a very decent BP arm prior to that and his time in the Nats doghouse for some reason.
He is a FA.
Ayala can go. Just because he was good before surgery doesn’t mean anything. While with us opponents hit .307 off him, he had a WHIP of 1.38 and an ERA of 5.50. None of those stats impress me from a reliever. That being said, BP arms are still a gamble so I wouldn’t mind bringing him back on the cheap to see if he rebounds. He made $1.7M last year, so I really don’t think he’s worth bringing back unless he signs for a decent pay-cut.
It is also pretty small sample size. He gave 11 ER with the Mets with 6 of them coming in 2 games. Otherwise his ERA is below 3 with the Mets. Also 6 of the 16 hits he gave up came in those games without those his WHIP is 1.08. Obviously you cannot randomly take out games to look at stats but in he was good to really good in 10 out 12 games in September which is a lot more than you can say about pretty much everyone else that was in the pen at the time. I wouldn’t make him the closer but I wouldbe against bringing him in for one of the other roles.
I would take someone like Ricardo Rincon over Show. Rincon and Feliciano would be just fine as the LOOGYS
Show in some ways did better than Feliciano last year. I am just as tired of him as I am of Show. At least Show lets the hitters get hits off him. Feliciano had to have the most apperances with out getting anyone out of anyone in the MLB.
Well, at the very least, Feliciano does very well against lefthanders with that sweeping slider of his from that low arm angle. Howard and Ultey always seem to have problems. With Schoeneweis, it looks as if he just throws the same 88mph meatball over and over again. Plus, Feliciano at least had great success as a reliever at some point in his career (2006, 2007). Schoeneweis has always been bad.
if we sign Beimel/Guardado (preferably Beimel) we dont need Schowenweis or Rincon. Beimel can get out lefties and righties although his WHIP was awful, and Feliciano is the only lefty specialist we need.
I dont understand why Feliciano gets killed so badly. He was not used properly and overworked. If hes used as a lefty specialist only he can still be dominant. The end of last year the guy was exhausted.
I would also take a flyer on Chad Cordero instead of giving jobs to stokes and parnell. Let them compete with Duaner for the last spot in the pen
Show was better than Feliciano in almost every catagory this season.
ERA
Show 3.34
Feliciano 4.05
WHIP
Show 1.376
Fel. 1.56
LHB
Show .178 BA, .243 OBP, .277 OPS
Fel. .210, .280, .295
RHB
Show .333, .423, .532
Fel. .357, .453, .561
Your point should be why does Show get the bad rap? He was much better than Feliciano last year. If he was only used against LH then he would be a dominant LOOGY.
I like Show too. I think he has a bad rap with the fans because he had tough outings when he first came on board. But he’s signed till end of next year and I think he’s a very good LH specialist
the problem is he was given a fat 3 year contract to be an effective reliever to anyone, not a left handed specialist.
I could be wrong on this, but I doubt there are many, if any “left-handed specialists” making $3.6 mil a year
There are now. The market is crazy.
I’d be okay with Ayala for a lower inning guy as well, but one thing to keep in mind with Show is that his contract is up at the end of next season and as much as we all don’t like him, his contract is fairly reasonable with the recent FA signings in mind, and his performance (if he keeps it up this next year) would keep him in line to be a Type B pick, so we could easily offer him arbitration and he would have no choice but decline because he’d want another multi-year deal from someone, and we’d walk our way into a Supp pick for keeping him around another year.
I don’t like him or Feliciano, but knowing that we are probably keeping one of them, I think we need to keep Show for that reason and that reason alone. We can use an extra draft pick when he leaves.
How much longer will Feliciano be under arbitration? The same could be said for him.
guys, correct if i’m wrong, but if we let go of ollie, doesn’t that give us the right to sign 3 type A fa??
cause if so i agree on us waiting for putz, if we get him it will be cheap, then we can use 2 signing on pitching (i.e sheets, burnett..) and 1 for a big bat (i.e manny or tex) that can help us way more.. putz can be our 2009 brad lidge… :-)
We already have the right to sign about 5-6. This is a common mistake. How many times have you actually heard of a team NOT signing a guy because he is type A? There are over 100 FA this season there are no limits and if there are it’s 5-6. All of this info can be found on MLBtraderumors.
The last thing this team needs is another Putz…bah dum dum.
Not sure if you guys are noticing this as well, but it seems that the state of this economy has definite impact of FA market this yesar. It seems that many owners are looking to dump big salaries and a very good buyers market, especially for closers.
I would love to see the Mets sign KRod to 3-4 year deal and get another guy like Woods.
However, would guys like Woods or Hoffman sign with the Mets knowing that they will be the setup guy? If not, the only way to get the setup guy is through trades.
Hoffman might, Wood no chance. He will get at least a 2 year 20 million deal and there’s no way we can do that for setup man.
I agree. So does that mean Wood is out of the picture for the Mets, if they sign KRod.
Is this the same Putz that blew eight saves in 23 chances last year. If he can’t close in Seattle, how is he going to do it in New York?
He was also injured last year which may or may not have had an effect on the results. Year before he was lights out.
I would think that the Mets are using him to drive down Krod’s price and thinking of him as a setup man.
K-Rod withPutz setting him up?………Wow.
That is an airtight bullpen right there. I also like the fact that Putz can step right in if K-Rod gets hurt.
If they don’t make an offer soon, they will get caught flat-footed as other FA start to sign. We may get our closer cheaper but we will miss out on other relievers, starters and outfielders while we wait.
The market for closers favor the Mets this year. There are no other team that can sign KRod at 13-15M per year other than the Mets. So if KRod misses the boat with the Mets, he may have to settle at significantly lower money. So it is in favor of the Mets if they drag this thing out.
I say sign K-rod for 3 years 40 mil. Sign Juan Cruz and Beimel if possible and trade Heilman for Street.
But if we do sign all 3 of those guys can we sign orlando hudson if we can trade castillo for like Guillen or Vasquez.
sd
I think Omar will eventually sign K rod for about 12 per for 3 years with a performance incentive for the 4th. He’ll keep Murphy and tatis in left, obviously murphy will get more playing time because hell hit righties. He sign Juan cruz to a 3 year 15 mil type of deal. Trade Heilman and Nick Evans to the Rays for a Andy Sonnanstine or Edwin Jackson. I think he’ll make a play for Lowe, and will get outbid by either the sox or the yankees. (I would probably be happy about this if its a 4 year 65 mil or even 5) Dudes old. I bet he’ll trade castillo for Vasquez. Trade Schneider and some minor prospects for Bengie Molina, or trade schneider for reliever and sign I-Rod. And with the money left over sign Orlando hudson to a 5 year 50million deal.
This isnt exactly what id do personally but it works for many reasons.
1- Murphy plays left for a year(hopefully keeping it warm for F-Mart) then moves to first when Delgado leaves.
2- Vasquez hangs around as the number 5 starter for 1 or 2 years, that way Niese can stay in AAA where he belongs and fill in when ready.
3. Sonnanstine/Jackson are 25 year old pitchers with gigantic upside and who already had pretty good years in the very good AL east. Either will be a #4 starter for many years to come.
4. After getting Cruz and Rodriguez i wouldnt be surprised if the mets picked up a guy like david weathers too.
Lineup
1Reyes
2Hudson
3Wright
4Beltran
5Delgado
6Church
7 Molina/I-Rod
8Murphy. (I personally expect murphy to consistently move up in the lineup.
SP
Santana
Pelfry
Maine
Sonnanstine/Jackson
Vasquez
RP
Closer- K-Rod
SU- Cruz
7th- Weathers/ Sanchez
MRP- Stokes, Parnell
LSp.- Feliciano
Rsp.- Joe Smith
Get rid of Shoenweiss
The mets won 89 games last yer with a gimp at second, a terrible bullpen and no closer. With these additions, i cant see a possible way they dont win 95 games.