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Free-agent SS Rafael Furcal told El Caribe the A’s offered him a four-year, $48 million contract.
According to Furcal, the Mets also made a ‘tempting offer,’ which would require him to play second base.
The Giants and A’s have shown the most interest in Furcal, according to Ken Rosenthal of FoxSports.com.
In early November, Furcal’s agent, Paul Kinzer, who also represents Francisco Rodriguez, told WFAN that almost 10 teams have shown interest in the shortstop.
El Caribe reports Furcal will leave the Dominican Republic today to sign a contract in the United States.
“The offers from the A’s and Mets are tempting, but I need to meet with my agent first,” Furcal told the Dominican newspaper, “because there are several factors that we have to evaluate, and the decision needs to be well thought out.”
The 31–year-old, switch-hitting Furcal hit .357 in just 36 games for the Dodgers in 2008, during which he missed more than 100 games with a back injury.
“Due to concerns about the condition of Furcal’s surgically repaired back, the Dodgers have been hesitant to extend him an offer of four years,” writes the Los Angeles Times.
Furcal hit .270 with 25 stole bases and a .333 OBP in 2007, and he hit .300 with 37 stolen bases and a .369 OBP in 2006.
Furcal is an unranked free agent, due to a lack of playing time, and will not cost his new team any compensatory draft picks.
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lot of years and $$ for a dude coming off back surgery. Lots of players have been ruined after having their back worked on.
still, if he was 100% healthy and back to what he was, a nice option for 2B.
and it has to mean luis is gone, right? Really can’t see him on the bench.
He’s another Luis Castillo. He’s a “sexy” name, but if you look at his stats he’s lost almost all of his power. He’s basically a singles hitter now who can steal a few bases. He’s also a huge injury risk.
He is a slight upgrade from Castillo, but definitely not worth the money. That money would be better spent on Lowe or even CC (I can’t believe we’re just giving up and giving him to the yankees).
I’m hoping Furcal is just making up this Mets offer for negotiation purposes.
luis castillo- a 1/10 on the sexy name meter….
Not before he came to the Mets. People thought he could still play baseball due to the reputation he established on the Marlins. His name was still respected…they didn’t realize he was a 62-year-old in a 32-year-old’s body. If the Mets are able to dump this guy on anyone it’ll be because of his name, not because he has any actual talent (because he doesn’t).
lol than its pretty funny. We got castillo because of his name and now we cannot get rid of him because of his name lol
Furcal did hit 15 home runs in 2006 and had 5 in 143 at bats last year. He has more pop than Castillo.
Love the translation. He would play second cushion for the Mets.
“The Ny Mets are my favorite squadron!”
thanks APU
Kind of weary about this one. Why is this team overlooking Hudson like this, is he not the most sensible option?
was that sarcasm?
There is no way this is true
Forgetting the fact that the Mets publicly said they are prioritizing pitching and Luis Castillo is still a met…..why would they offer a guy who has never played 2B before a contract before Orlando Hudson?
I absolutely agree Dirty Sanchez with you. Furcal is saying the Mets offered him a contract to drive up his offers from Oakland or San Francisco. No problem with him doing this, it’s a part of free agency.
well he has played in 31 games at 2b at the major league level but the majority of his playing time was at ss.
I’d rather do Hudson. He’s a known leader, WANTS to be a Met and hasn’t had any serious injuries.
Furcal hasn’t played much of 2B, is more expensive and is coming off back surgery.
some az blog
Posted Aug 11, 2008
For the second consecutive season, the Arizona Diamondbacks will be without a key contributor in Orlando Hudson for the stretch drive, as the star second baseman broke a bone in his left wrist Saturday. Augie Ojeda will take over the primary second baseman’s duties with Chris Burke serving as the main backup
Wow i didnt even realize he played 31 games there.
But the point is the same, there is no way the Mets offered this guy contract to play 2nd with Castillo on this team still and Hudson out there
lol who cares what they say publicly. They are going to say nothing to give away what there offseason plan is publicly. Wow Omar came out and said the Mets are going to be concentrating on pitching pitching and more pitching. We all knew that already.
What does them making an offer to Furcal have to do with them not making pitching a priory?
How do you know that they don’t have a deal to ship Castillo out of town in the works or even done?
How do you know they don’t have offers out there to K-Rod and some other relievers?
Just saying don’t buy into what the Mets say publically. They unlike some other teams don’t come out and say we are looking to trade this guy this guy and this guy and sign this guy this guy and this guy. They keep things quiet which is smart.
I don’t know I don’t think it is a bad move at all if he is 100% healthy to have Furcal at 2b. Didn’t he come back and play in the playoffs for the Dodgers? Not sure but I don’t know him batting second is not bad at all.
But I agree with you, who knows if this is even true or not. Can be a ploy by Furcals agent to maybe get the A’s or Giants to offer more cash who knows.
No.
Given that it lists the terms the A’s offered him and then says the Mets also made a “tempting offer”, I’m guessing the Mets offered less and are hoping the big market appeal is intriguing for Furcal.
I’d like to see: Sign K-Rod, sign Furcal, involve Castillo in a trade for Vazquez, and trade for another bullpen guy (possibly sign Beimel as well) and it’d be a successful offseason in my book
reyes, furcal, wright, delgado, beltran, church, murph/tatis, schnieder…
im happy with that….furcal would be awesome for this team…him and reyes turning dps…and he also adds a great steal threat to the top of he order
Not sure how I feel about this. Personally, I’d rather seen an offer made to Hudson. Furcall is good but he’s aging and coming off back surgery. This could either be great (if he were to sign) or end up being worse than Castillo…and for that reason alone the Mets should stay away.
This is unbelievable.
The Mets are rudderless if this is true.
We already have an INJURED 2b player.
We need a closer (IMHO, KROD), a setup man (Chad Cordero or cruz) and 2 starters.
WTF!
if this happens, then you can bet it’s the precursor to big trade getting rid of castillo and other parts for vasquez and dye. no way omar doesn’t have this trade bubbling away under the lid if we get furcal. here’s hoping.
If this is true, which i hope it is. i agree with you scottmetsfan, Omar has a deal with the white sox for dye and vazques or maybe even the royals for guillen. Omar has soemthing up his sleave if this is remotely true.
Do you think Delgado would be part of the trade to the Chisox? He fills a 1B need for them and is money off the books in one year and would fill in needed pop with Dye going. Delgado, Castillo + 2 minor leaguers for Vazquez + Dye? Is that too much $$$ for the Chisox to take on? Have I not had enough coffee this morning?
I’m guess I am just trying to find ways to see how this team improves itself and not give away an already deplete farm.
nah i think they want to get younger…hopefully reyes isn’t part of the trade to the whitesox but he is a perfect fit there…needless to say if reyes goes to the sox i want danks or floyd and dye
You think too much of Omar.
He has failed in the past 2 years to get us the relief hel we need.
Now, we need a Left Fielder (Right handed with power), 2 starting pitchers and a closer and set up and he is making a offer to Furcal.
Omar, WAKE UP!
Elephant, if he is makind an offer to Furcal, i think its because he has a deal for any of those things you mentioned the mets need.
Look, I criticize Omar when he deserves and praise him when he merits it, but I think some fans are way too harsh on the guy. Sure he landed Pedro, Beltran and Wagner by overspending for them. However, look at some of his other accomplishments:
1. He outsmarted the market last year to get Santana. The Twins wanted Reyes, or Martinez or Pelfrey or Maine, but Omar played it out, knowing the Red Sox were only in it to drive the price up for the Yankees and knowing the Yankees didn’t want to give up Joba or Hughes.
He waited the market out, then landed Santana at a bargain basement price – with regard to the talent he gave up.
2. He finds diamonds in the rough. He traded for Perez and Maine.
Yes, you can say they are throw-ins, but they are throw-ins that Omar asked for. Did he know that they would be this good? Probably not, but he knew there was talent there and got it.
3. Got Delgado, Lo Duca, El Duque for nothing.
Look you can jokes now about El Duque and Lo Duca, but they were a primary factor in the success of 2006. Sure they got old fast after that but at the time it gave the Mets a chance to win.
4. While I think Minaya and the Mets have failed to use their financial muscle in the draft as much as they should, they have been able to finds gems in the international market. Fernando Martinez, Wilmer Flores, Jefrey Marte, Jenrry Mejia, Cesar Puello, and Francisco Pena to name a few. These have helped replenish a farm system.
Sure Omar relies on old players too much, but hopefully he’s learnt his lesson. So let’s give him some credit. Do we remember the Art Howe/Jim Duquette days?
I agree with you here. Omar’s done a pretty good job, everyone makes mistakes and he’s made some, but I can’t see anyone else out there being better, so i’m glad he’s got his contract. Too many people here claim to be Mets fans but look for any reason to hate.
He’s done a lot of good, and I think he’ll get the job done this off season too..as long as the players get the job done afterwards. Sometimes even good moves look bad in hindsight.
And there is no ‘formula’ for what exactly we need. that was the problem last year I think, people thought we needed “X amount of more home runs” rather than trying to win with the tools of the players at hand..I worry that that is HoJo and Manuel’s biggest weakness, expecting the players to adapt to them rather than vice versa. It may have been Warthons biggest strength too, but he may have taken it too far with the bullpen too..
Furcal is a loser…..and will always be a loser.
Bad back and we are gambling?
Omar, sign KROD and Cruz (or sign Cordero).
Sign Manny.
If any of you think that Tatis and Murphy are the answer in left field you are all dreaming!
Even with Furcals bad back, or whatever negatives he has, i would MUCH rather have him than Castillo, at least Furcal can get the ball out of the infield.
how is he a loser?? please explain??
Your telling me you would rather have Castillo over Furcal?
he is a loser because he doesnt play for the mets..geez atlanta get with the picture ;p
so are we to believe that Omar’s first move of the year is to sign an injured shortstop to convert to second base at the rate of 12 mil a year for four years?
Sounds like something got lost in the translation.
Which will be quickly followed by another move!!!!
could be .. but knowing Omar’s history he finds it difficult to focus on more than one thing at a time.
has hudson even played 100 games in a seson yet in his career. he is injured just as much as furcal. i think a nice offseason would be the following…
sign furcal
sign k-rod
sign Dunn – i know he “K’s” but he gives you hr threat we need
trade for jackson
trade for vasquez
trade for setup man
new team of…
reyes
furcal
beltran
wright
dunn
delgado
murphy
catcher
pitcher
sp
santana
pelfrey
maine
vasquez
jackson
ill take this team
Not bad at all!!
a lefty pitchers dream…no way that happens
mets f/o hates dunn
everyone hates dunn…Dave Kingman of the new millenium
It would take Dave Kingman 2 years to get on base as much as Dunn does in 1 year.
All you need to know about Dunn is he hits 40 HRs and can barely crack 100 RBIs; draws 100 walks without scoring 100 runs.
And before someone reminds me of the Reds’ crappy team offense; this holds true for Dunn even in years when Cincy’s offense was in the middle of the pack.
yeah that’s all you need to know about a player. how many runs he drove and and how many he scored. lololol.
It’s all you need to know about Dunn. He’s window dressing for a 3rd place team.
no, he’s not. try looking at stats that actually matter.
Looks good to me except I see the Mets giving Niese a shot at the 5 spot if not for this year, then def for next year.
I don’t want the Mets to sign Hudson, and the reason I don’t want the Mets to sign Hudson is that he has not finished the last 2 seasons due to injury, but let’s at least be factual about this.
season followed by games played
2002, 54 (rookie)
2003, 142
2004, 135
2005, 131
2006, 157
2007, 139
2008, 107
Yes he’s played at least 100 games in season in his career
thank you for bringing around some truth.
I smell another Castillo-like bad deal
Finally the Mets are doing something right…Furcal at 2B makes this team the best in the NL
Not without a closer it doesnt
i think that was sarcasm @ cactus…
Furcal was doing really well until he had to go out for surgery.
yea…my fantasy team took a hit when he went down…
Me too
believe me when i tell you that if omar sign an offensive player before he sings any pitcher he will be crusified in times square!!
furcal is not a bad signing, but when i saw 4/48 i said: NO WAY!!!
God its great to be a Phillies fan. Love this little factoid from Jason Grey’s blog:
Thursday is the final day of the regular season for the Arizona Fall League, and it can’t end soon enough for the Mets’ Eddie Kunz.
Kunz failed to hold a one-run lead in a game that could have put his club into Saturday’s championship game by giving up a pinch-hit grand slam to the Phillies’ Jeremy Slayden in the eighth inning. The blast closed a rough fall campaign for the reliever. He posted a 15.30 ERA, allowing 21 hits and eight walks in just 10 innings of work.
LMAO
Even after a world series win, your still following the AFL. Like a true phillies fan always wondering what the mets players are doing.
Not like you can watch your beloved Eagles right????
why are you giving him any attention. Its OBVIOUSLY what he wants posting on a mets blog. Just ignore him.
Now I know why Wall Street is such a mess. Too much focus on the Mets.
that’s why its great to be a phillies fan? because a mets minor leaguer got shelled? great. enjoy.
ps, how is your second baseman feeling? your third baseman?
Guys, I think a few of you are missing something here.
Who is Furcal’s agent? The same guy that represent’s Krod. You scratch my back I will scratch yours.
Here’s the plan, I get you Krod in a hurry. He wants to be here. We know the market is limited. You guys make an offer of 4/40 for Furcal to play 2nd. He will decline saying he does not want to play 2nd and will then take the other offer that was made higher by NY being in the bidding. Then we will make sure thks Krod stuff happens ASAP.
good theory….hope it pans out for us getting krod.
entirely plausible.
very interesting.
I said this many times, i’m gonna say it again, IN ORDER:
SIGN K-ROD.
TRADE DELGADO for bullpen help
SIGN TEIXEIRA.
GET RID OF CASTILLO.
get someone like penny, vasquez, garcia to complement the back end.
done, your 2009 NEW YORK METS
I’d love that. This is going to be a long winter.
Gotta do more with the pen. Maybe with the Delgado trade.
Getting rid of Castillo means you will have to get someone else as the Mets are not puting Murphy there.
not bad but good luck
exactly…i’d do it…but that doesn’t make it a reality.
The key word there…..”DONE”
You got that right…..LOL
wow, Philly Fan on Wall St, i find it very amusing you in the mets blog after your pathetic eagles are getting beat up. too bad is football season right now, we just talk hot stove.. btw, GIANTS will be SUPER BOWL champions.. AGAIN..
The Giants and Jets are Superbowl contenders, and your team’s quarterback doesn’t even know the rules of the game and will probably be working at a McDonalds drive thru in a year after he gets released by the Lions. Better enjoy that Phillies championship because you won’t be getting another one for a looooooooong time.
Yeah, I lost most of my respect for McNabb with that “I didn’t know NFL games end in ties” thing…that is kind of unbelievable…the rule is older than he is, and I would think that every casual fan knows that regular season games can end in ties…wow. Maybe what TO said about him was true….
I guess the average IQ of fans in the stands CAN have an effect of an otherwise smart ballplayer.
I am a Dolphins fan, but the Giants are my number 2 having grown up in NJ, and they might as well start clearing space for another Super Bowl trophy right now…how sweet to beat the Iggles and Cowpokes yet again….
Furcal to play second? Batting second? With this line up?!!
This is a no brainer. The best 1 2 punch in baseball.
so was johan and a “healthy” pedro…
and the problem with Johan and a “healthy” pedro is????
Umm, a healthy Pedro is like a healthy Furcal?
This is as suming you can unload Castillo. It makes no sense for the Mets unless they can get rid of him without taking on a lot of cash.
Do you really think that Furcal is worth 18 million a season? That’s what he will be paid for the first 3 years if we can’t unload Castillo.
Same applies to Hudson. The best we can do with 2nd base is try and get someone that we need w/ a bad contract for him or just ride it out and eventually release him and sign stop gaps until we find a better option.
Think, if we did this without a replacement the Mets would be paying 30 million for 2 players not on the team next season.
This just smells bad to me. We have a platoon with little power in left. We have an expensive incumbent 2nd baseman. We have about 3 to 4 holes in the bullpen. But now we have a long-term, large dollar deal to a player coming off surgery who lacks the power we need and who will have to switch positions? Furcal is good, but I don’t know about this, especially if Minaya has a budget this off-season. Money is better spent elsewhere.
I just don’t see this hapening unless we are getting Vasquez and Dye from the Sox for Castillo and prospects. Or Washburn from the M’s for Castillo.
We are not going to pay close to 20 million for 2B next season when we are already going to pay 25 million for closer.
very true…but stop dreaming ab trading castillo and minor leaugers for dye and vasquez…maybe one of them not both
If they’re making a “tempting” offer to have Furcal move to second, then they better be making an even more tempting off to bring Orlando Hudson here. I don’t think there is any question that Hudson would be a better option at 2nd than Furcal. I would be disappointed if they go after an expensive second baseman and it is not Hudson.
This would be nothing short of absurd. The only attribute Furcal possesses that Hudson does not is being spanish. Oh wait, Omars our GM. Nevermind, give him 7 years.
Come on Hudson is not any better than Furcal. Same offensive numbers except Furcal actually steals bases.
I hope neither of them are with the Mets unless we can dump Castillo without paying any salary.
If we are all saying suggesting that the only way Furcal would work is if Castillo is unloaded. DOnt you think Omar nows this as well. I think that if Furcal does sign with the mets, which i doubt, then its 100% chance that castillo is dealt for pitching. If we are saying this than im sure Omar knwos this as well.
Look at the positive side, Furcal comes, castillo is gone via a trade for soemthing.
For what is the question. If we have to take on half the salary then is it still a good deal? If it’s for Jose Gullien and that limits our pitching because it just added tons of money to our payroll?
Last week every1 on this board wanted Castillo gone, no matter what it takes, (including me). now that there is a possibility that he is gone evryone wants to be picky on what happens with him.
I am very picky if it cost the Mets on who they can sign other wise.
I would take Hudson over Furcal. They both were injured last year but Furcals was a serious back injury. Back injuries are a problem, and players wit hthem usually dont et 4 year deals immediately afterwords. Also, Furcal has virtually zero power and is a singles hitter. Hudson has some legit pop. Furcal has almost no experience playing second, Hudsons a gold glover
Their power numbers are about the same. Furcal has more speed and Hudson gets on base more.
Hudson will most likely more money and years.
Hudon career OBP is .376, Furcal career OBP is .394. I like Furcal to keep those numbers consistent, especially batting in front of Wright.
I don’t know where you got those numbers from but it’s
.346 Hudson
.352 Furcal
But Hudson’s OBP has been much higher lately while Furcal’s was down in 2007.
Like I said offensively they are very similar to each other.
sorry, i meant career high, not careeer. Im saying Furcal is a proven on base guy, and it will continue batting in the mets lineup in front of Furcal. they are both the same age and furcal will come cheaper.
I would bet any amount of money this exact conversation was taking place when the mets were contemplating giving Castillo his ultimate 4 year deal.
Actually, he’s Dominican but he does speak Spanish.
I don’t understand why Mets fans are so against signing Furcal. Major upgrade versus Castillo and only costs $$. Plus, Hudson is a Type A free agent, while Furcal requires no draft pick compensation.
Good point on the draft pick. Offensively they are the same player and Hudson may require more money.
good point with the draft pick. Now the question is do we invest as much money as furcal would want given his injury history…If we do get furcal we are going to need a decent backup option.
I wonder if the Mets offer, if it was not a ploy to get Krod as stated above, was for much shorter and more money? 2/30?
could be but i guess thats yet another thing in a long list of things that we will NEVER get the confirmation for. Like i responded to your post i hope the mets are able to get the other side of your theory worked out.
If your hurt, old or coming off an injury year the mets will make sure you get a retirement plan.. with the mets retirement plan we’re sure to make you have a pleasent live..
here are some of our favorite customers:
PEDRO: “nobody would give me 3 years, but i got the mets plan, now i can retire wit no worries
ALOU: “14 games and 8 millions.. thanks minaya”
CASTILLO: “The mets retirement plan gave me an opportunity to be rich while not caring”
MO VAUGH: “i’m still collectin”
EL DUQUE: “it covers all your health expenses and they also pay if you don’t play.. SWEET”
The mets retirement plan.. get it while you can
you forgot Bobby Bo:
Wikipedia: When the New York Mets placed Bonilla on unconditional waivers in 2000, they agreed to pay out the remainder of his contract by deferring the remaining $5.9 million, instead giving him 25 equal payments of $1,193,248.20 each July 1 from 2011 to 2035, for a total of $29,831,205.
“EL DUQUE: “it covers all your health expenses and they also pay if you don’t play.. SWEET”
-lmao @ they pay if you dont play
i’m at work i was bored and came up with that..
i too am bored at work..thanks for the laugh, good stuff
Hilarious.
Maybe Castillo made the offer to Furcal “Hey Rafael, if you play second base for me, I’ll give you some of my contract.”
No way Furcal comes here.
This one has disaster written all over it!
Here, let me scream my answer…
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO!!!!!
Hasn’t Minaya learned anything?! Stop bringing in the older Domincans with the name recognition…
what about manny? isn’t he old and dominican?
hes 31
Manny ramirez is 36
yea these guys are dinosaurs apparently….
and dominican….2 strikes apparently for mark
still, lowe is 36 and a lot of ppl want him here too, they don’t only have to be “dominicans” for him to say that..
he made it a point to say dominican.. he could have stopped at older but aparently race counts to mark.
Look at how many sure Dominican Hall of Famers in their late 20’s and early 30’s.
Dont hate!!!
Since this seems to be a 2 part transaction (sign Furcal, trade Castillo) since you can’t have 2 starting 2Bs, lets seperate them.
I as-sume that if the offer is true (must be something to it, because players/agents can’t get away with making up false offers publicly!), that it was a low ball/incentive deal from Omar.
Something like 2 years + option, 8mill/year guarantee with incentives? I highly doubt he spends real big $$ on this guy.
But, if there is a deal for Castillo in the works, do it anyway. You can always find someone to play 2B.
If Grudzy is still available, grab him. Certainly going to give you Castillo quality numbers or above, better D, and the all important “grit” factor!
In the last few years, the Mets won a lot of games with Valentin/easley/A reyes/Castillo playing 2B. obviously it isn’t the most important position to the success of the team!
sometimes you have a hole and you plug it with a stop gap for a year if that is the best overall (years/dollars/trade parts required) player available. Upgrade where the market lets you.
Or just roll the dice with giving Murphy the job!
great move! reyes and furcal at the top of the line up would be perfect.
omar, get it done.
i’m all for having furcal here, but only at 2 years max… he’s hurt all the time, and if he signs furcal to a 4 year deal he better be fair and bring sheets!!!!
he’s had between 560 to 660 ab’s in 6 of the last 7 seasons
zen i agrre with you, the thing is he will cost too much and we don’t need offense as of now, we need pitching, pitching and pitching!! then worry about somebody like furcal.
pitching should definately be the priority. you’re right about that. i think the mets can afford pitching and and one offensive player. we’ll see.
if we trade for putz instead of sining k-rod we be in a much better position to spend money all around.
The switch hitting Furcal is 31, and would be the perfect number two hitter for the Mets. He is coming off of a back injury plagued season, but returned late last year and looked solid and played with no ill effects. He is an unranked free agent, which means that the signing team does not lose any draft picks to acquire him.
I wouldnt mind the deal if it was in the 2 year ballpark with a 3rd year option based on performance. But honestly, Furcal in no way warrants a 4 year deal. He played in 36 games last year, hes on the wrong side of 30, hed be playing a position he has very little experience in, and his injury was in the back. How do the mets of all people not see that this has “Mets terrible Contract” written all over it
oc410, furcal plays 2nd in the dominican league when he played there.. he DOES have experince at 2nd..
How long ago was that? I played first base in little league. Ive become a much better couch sitter over the years. Furcal’s a shortstop, i dont care if he played second in the dominican league at some point
lol, well, he played there last year.. and for the past 4 years as well.
What did Murphy/Evans/Tatis do last year in left field having barely any outfield experience.?
It does not take a rocket scientist to learn how to play a position. Hes a major leaguer with plenty of infield experince.
I dont hate the guy im just saying, if Hudson is a gold glover, a little younger, very similar, less inury risk (as far as severity), and the money is close, then why not go with Hudson. I find signing Furcal to second over Hudson to be overly creative to the point where it doesn’t make much sense. Also, Todd Hundley and Mike Piazza will disagree witth your “its easy to switch positions” logic.
Hudson is not a lilttle younger, they are the same age!
They are both 21 years old.
sorry they are both 31 not 21
Matter fact, Furcal is 2 months younger
Hudson’s 30. Furcal is 31. That is why i only said a little younger. Nice “GOTCHA!” try though.
Good one
with our offense we didn’t mind having them at all there, but this year with delgado being a ? mark we need to get either manny or some big bat out there..
I dont think our offense will be any worse. As a mattter fact Frucal batting 2nd will only help.
He has played 2b base before and he is a better hitter then Hudson. Hudson has his season end early the last 2 years. Furcal is a very good fielder as well.
Gold Glove can be over rated a lil bit. Much better fielding SS in the NL for Furcal to compete with to win a Gold Glove then there are 2b for Hudson to win the Gold Glove.
I mean look at David Wright he is a Gold Glove winner but by no means is he a great defense 3b and anyone who says he is does not watch the Mets play and see the errors he makes.
Ok wait a minute, Yeh sometimes he will throw a ball into Right field, but David Wright is an above average 3B defender.
All those running catched he has made? All those slow grounders and line drives he fields flawlessly. David Wright is a very very good 3B
sooooooooooo question
would you rather have Furcal or Castillo?
I look at them as VERY similar Players…………….
sadly I think Castillo gets another shot at 2B and Eckstein is brought in to back up
Well, it would certainly be interesting to see how the Mets line-up plays with Furcal in the mix. Furcal and Reyes would be an absolute nightmare for catchers and pitchers around the league. I think he would have sick range at second as well. Its just a huge risk.
Castillo is shot. It doesn’t seem like Furcal’s legs have been affected that much by his injuries, while Castillo injuries as rendered his game near useless.
Castillo had 19 SB in 2007. 10 of them in 50 games with the Mets. Not much difference.
castillo should not be back with the mets!!! that is a crime!!!!!
he will be boooooooo unmercifully at opening day if he still a met.
This seems to good to be true, we get Furcal, don’t lose a draft pick, AND get rid of the slapster, presumably in a trade for Gullien/Dye/JV?
Am i awake yet?
Color my skeptical…
what color?
I think Furcal has more in the tank
I mean Reyes and Furcal at the top of the order, holy crap
then Castillo for Vazquez…………I think the ChiSox would take a chance on him given that their are no real options at 2B besides Orlando Hudson
I think we would all be impressed with
Reyes
Furcal
Wright
Delgado
Beltran
Church
Murphy/Tatis
Schneider/Castro
Chavez
Anderson(siiiigh)
A.Reyes?……….or FA
Thats not bad at all!!!! Strong 1 – 7
I really don’t see Hudson or Furcal being 4 times better than Grudzy. I would sign him and dump Castillo for an overpriced # 5 from the M’s. They have a couple or three in Silva, Washburn, and Bautistia. Silva makes 34 million over the next 3 years, Washburn 10 for this year and Bautista 9 for this year.
Omar will never learn
the way of the jedi
Right because this story is 100% true as reported.
NO NO NO. Only person i want from seattle is PUTZ!! that’s it.. no to silva, or washburn,i rather have padilla from texas..
Of course you would. But do you think they are going to take Castillo for Padilla straight up?
You guys never look at the big picture.
Does having Washburn as our #5 and getting rid of Castillo make us a better team? Does taking on the 15 million dollar difference in salary to get Silva instead of Castillo make us a better team. I am not saying they do. But me, I would rather have Peavy. Maybe they will take Castillo for him.
I have an interesting theory about this offer.
Furcal and K-Rod have the same agent.
The Mets want K-Rod, but not for the years he and his agent are seeking.
The Mets are probably closer to a deal for K-Rod than Furcal because of this…..
The Mets have made no actual offer to Furcal, however, they have agreed to act as if they did for the sake of helping Furcals agent fetch a better deal by driving up the price.
This would be a little “rub my back, and I’ll rub yours,” as the agent may now try to meet the Mets a little more in the middle.
Good point, but we already discussed this
wow cut and paste..lol
Maybe that theory is right with the Agent OR they are going to deal Castillo and just need another 2B option,haha
I mean we all want Castillo gone so who do they bring in?
it’s either Hudson, Furcal, Grudz right?
Any long term move to get another 2nd baseman this winter will probably be a poor one beyond 2 years. Hudson is a good player but there’s no way I’d give that guy the 5 years he seeks. He could just as easily turn into Castillo part 2.
Same goes for Furcal, who’s alread battling some injuries. But at least he steals bases and for a year or so would make the Mets alot more potent at the top of the order. A combination of Reyes and Furcal leading off games would be a hell of a thing for pitchers to deal with right before Wright, Delgado and Beltran.
And at least with Furcal you’re not signing a Type A FA. With a bunch of Type As already in view, I doubt the ‘play by the mlb rules’ Mets are inclined to throw money, years, draft picks at Hudson.
deep down i only think they would get furcal if he’s playing short…does anyone think there is a chance omar has a deal with reyes for an ace in the works or reyes for a good pitcher and good outfielder…and if so would you be dissappointed…i mean not for nothing sending reyes in a package to toronto for roy halladay and the nsigning furcal then were wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better than we were last year…not that this is remotely possible but you get the point…something along these lines
no
Smart move I think. This drives down the cost for O-Dog, by showing interest in Furcal O-Dog might bring his price down.
To what? 4/44? Still way too much.
I read in an Uzbekistani newspaper CC Sabathia loves the Mets and wants to sign an incentive based contract this year so he can prove to everyone that he is worth the money.
Now lets debate for the next 4 hours if this is a smart move for the Mets……….
I don’t get some of the negativity here.
a) as for the difference between O Hudson and Furcal, why isn’t anyone noticing that Furcal won’t cost any draft picks?
Hudson is Type A. do we want to waste a type A on a 2b?
b) if Wilpon is willing to eat the Castillo contract, why would we care? I don’t get those here that say “I’d only want Furcal if we can trade Castillo”.
I don’t think Furcal will sign with Mets, but I’m glad they are “thinking outside the box” and trying to something to improve a problem.
It is good to see they’re thinking out of the box. Furcal and Hudson are the same age. Furcal has played 2B in the past. The key incentive to signing him is that he’s unranked. It’ll be hard imaging the Mets match the A’s offer though. Maybe Furcal’s willing to play in New York for a little less though. I don’t think Furcal wants to move positions. And Castillo’s not out of town yet. Maybe the interest in him is a sign that a trade to get Castillo out of here is going to happen though.