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Last week, in Newsday, David Lennon reported the Mets had received the medical information for Francisco Rodriguez.
However, today, in the New York Post, Bart Hubbuch writes, “Contrary to a published report, the Mets didn’t receive the medical breakdown on Rodriguez until yesterday afternoon and are just now poring over it.
In the Daily News, Adam Rubin quotes Minaya as saying, while things have been slow, the Hot Stove will pick up shortly.
…as i said last night, it’s starting to feel like the Not Stove Season, not the Hot Stove Season…
Minaya said the team has yet to make any official offers to free agent players, ‘though conversations with agents may get more substantive later this week.’
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Last night I dreamt that we traded for Pat Neshek. Considering he just completed Tommy John surgery, not sure what that means. Any dream interpreters out there?
you either need a woman, or to stop eating hot wings before bed.
Hmm, I did eat late last night.
I have read several comments here and elsewhere that GMs are dragging their feet. I don’t think that’s true. Doesn’t the real flurry happen during and right after the winter meetings? I think this hot stove is right on schedule.
I agree. I don’t remember much happening in November at all, except teams retaining their own FAs and a few minor signings (Affeldt).
Although I recall the trade for Delgado happening before Thanksgivign.
And the Matt Holliday trade is nothing to sneeze at.
Yeah, the Delgado deal (and I think Pedro signed right around thanksgiving too), those are the only pre-december deals I can really remember — things are right on schedule this year
Honestly, how many big deals get made before the Winter meetings, usually? Not that many, and deals of any sort are really not very common until those meetings start, so people just need to relax. I know we’re all anxious to see Omar do something so we can see if there’ll be any hope next season, but just because he hasn’t made a move doesn’t mean he’s not going to. Give Omar his time.
Omar should post here a weekly address where he lays out his vision, goals and plans for the Hot Stove.
who says he doesn’t
I was always suspicious about mistermet.
We gave King Omar his time. He gave us back to back chokes. He made the Mets the laughinfstock of baseball. Yes, lets relax and let him go for a troika.
Was any of that English?
I’m just saying there’s no reason to get anxious because no moves have bee made yet. Sure, I’ve got no faith in Omar at this point, but he’s what we’ve got and he’ll give us the 2009 Mets, for better or worse. I’ll reserve judgement on his offseason until he’s made some moves.
That being said, I really don’t see how we can finish ahead of Philly or Florida next season. I still have some hope, but that’ll depend on the rest of the offseason.
Florida? And Philly played over their heads last year, and got a lot of breaks, and still only finished a few games ahead of the mets. And if it wasn’t for the pen (the easiest area to change, and most fungible from year to year anyway), the Mets were otherwise the better team.
The Mets have been the ‘better team’ for three years in a row and what has it gotten us? And don’t overlook Florida next year, with that talent I could easily see them overtaking us.
Of course there are lots of comversations going on between GMs and agents (and other GMs). What you see/read is only the tip of the ice berg, and mostly disinformation at that.
I expect that once the dam breaks, you won’t be able to keep up with the action. The dominos will be falling!
My current with list 9the big stuff):
1)Sign sheets 2/3 years
2)trade for Vazquez if the player cost is reasonable.
3)add a FA closer (krod, fuentes or wood, whatever makes the most sense deal wise)
4) sign Teixaria
Lots of big moves, but make the team way better.
the rest will be fill in and adjustments (trade delgado, add other BP arms, etc.).
#3 is almost a forgone conclusion, and who knows about the rest. at least do one?
I really don’t think the mets will even entertain the idea of Tex. Maybe I’m wrong
Totally agree, especially about Tex. You figure Omar has to be thinking long term and we have no long term plan for 1B.
why not?
Why do most fans think that if the Mets get Vazquez through a trade, that they would still go after another frontline pitcher like Lowe or Sheets…it can be argued whether or not Vazquez is a number 2, but he does get paid like one.
The bottom line is that the Mets have $30M to spend:
1 - closer ($10M-15M) Krod or Fuentes
2 - starter ($10M - 15M) Lowe/Perez or Vazquez
3 - bench player - ($1M - $2M) - middle infielder
The bullpen will be revamped through multiple trades.
The number 5 starter will probably be Niese or Vargas, because I can’t see them spending big $$$ on a number 5.
However, if they flip Delgado for Putz, and play Murphy at 1B then they can spend $10-15M on another starter. There are many options.
why in hell would Seattle want Delgado? Only a contender would want him. If Seattle wants to contend, why would they trade their closer?
Do you really see Murphy being as productive as Delgado next year? Even at his worst, Delgado was still good for 24HR and 87 RBIs in 2007. I don’t see Murphy putting up those kinds of numbers in 2009.
Sure, but we need to think long term. Murphy can be our long term solution for 1B if not 2B.
Seattle would never do this. And also, im a big murphy fan but he wouldnt put up nearly the power and production numbers as delgado. We’d have a power outage, we’d play like the Twins
Any chance we could get Sonnanstine for Delgado and a prospect? Do that, move Murph to first, sign Hudson, somehow get Dye and Vazquez while unloading Castillo and appeasing the White Sox, maybe Castillo and Niese if there asking price on Dye goes down a bit? Losing Delgado’s salary would help the money taken on with Dye. FA signings: K-Rod,Hudson,Cordero, Easley
Trade Heilman for Street and your all set:
Reyes
Hudson
Wright
Dye
Beltran
Church
Murphy
Castro/Schneider
Santana
Pelfrey
Sonnanstine
Maine
Vazquez
K-Rod
Street
Cordero
Smith
Feliciano
Schowenweis
Parnell/Sanchez/Stokes competition
Castro/Schneider
Easley
Evans
Endy
Tatis
only one lefty in the rotation and we keep Feliciano and Schowenweis, but not too unrealistic
Vasquez gets paid like a #5 not a number 2. 11 million is the going rate for a solid #5.
And the Mets have a little more than 30 million left.
If you bring in
Vasquez 11
Krod 14
That’s 25 million. It still leaves you enough money to get another starter. Maybe not Lowe, but another quality guy to compete with Niese.
dude you just said that a solid number 5 gets $11M so how are they going to get another with only $5M?
Don’t forget they have a handful of arbitration eligible players headlined by Maine, so there goes your fluff.
You’re also forgetting that we wouldn’t be paying Castillo’s $6M. So, $6+$5M=$11M. Therefore we have enough for another #5. Blew that one of the water!
Do you really think Chicago is going to take on Castillo’s contract…they would kind of defeat the purpose of trading Vazquez….you guys think this is Fantasy baseball
If you read my post you would know that I said they had a little more than 30 million.
They have around 35 million to spend and I am sure Omar could talk them into a few more here and there because Wagner’s salary comes off next season.
That being said, I did not say go get Lowe. I said get someone to compete with Niese. Trade for a guy like Sonnanstine or a reclamation project like Snell.
It’s not? I’m just going on the rumors that are posted here by Matt.
I think that the rumor was just made up by some terrible journalist. Just because the Sox wanted to dump Vasquez and the Mets Castillo. But it made no sense in the begining as Vasquez is worth much more than that. There would be plenty of teams out there that would give prospects and take no ALL of Vasquez contract. We are not unloading Castillo on them unless we take Contreras or something.
“We gave King Omar his time. He gave us back to back chokes. He made the Mets the laughinstock of baseball. Yes, lets relax and let him go for a troika.”
i kinda agree wit u with the point that we are the laughinstock of baseball, we again showed no heart at all, with that being said i also think WE as a team over achieve, i mean, how many teams can say:”we have no left field, no right field for more than a year, a lame duck horrible manager, NO BULLPEN AT ALL, a first basemen who didn’t wanna play until july, no 4th or 5th starter due to injury or inconsistency(pedro) and still be 1 game out at the end of the year?
i don’t care if you are the 1927 yankees most teams will not over come that..
Don’t know about you but when I think of laughing stock of baseball I think of the Nationals, Detroit, the Yankees, etc. I get your point that the Mets did better than they should’ve but doesn’t that just mean that they fought as much as they could but couldn’t pull it out.
Wow Alex…I actually somewhat agree with you…This team didn’t have the talent to compete with the Phils..had a horrible manager and still almost made the playoffs…
Well, despite the offensive ‘holes’ we scored more runs than the Phillies. Gotta make them count more, but it wasn’t offense. Wagner was the single biggest issue, coupled with Heilman’s nagging injury and the inability for anybody else to either be consistent or be used properly. Nothings changed yet except for retaining the horrible manager, who hopefully will get better.
Offensively Murphy and Church could have better years, and Maine hopefully can stay healthy the entire time and get deeper into games.
Omar’s about as good as we can get in terms of a GM, he’ll get some players here to have their shot.
We are not the laughingstock of baseball though…not even close…The Pirates signed two guys from an Indian Reality Show today..I mean come on…
I saw that too. Wow.
wait, you mean that was true? I thought it was a joke!
When you mention the Pirates, don’t discount anything. lol
guys here’s what i mean by laughnstock, the pirates nats and teams like that are out of it in april, we choked in 2007 and we were perennial favorites to win not only the division but the nl, and again we choke!!!! everybody knew what we did, don’t forget we’re in the media capital of the world so everybody will know about us.
You have to look at it other ways too. Detroit is much more of a laughing stock. They spent just as much money and finished last. The Yankee’s….. LOL.
Yes it’s bad to choke in back to back years. But the idea that the Mets were the best team and did not win for 2 years means that we are very relevant. As a Mets fan for 22 years it is nice to be regarded as relevant for 3 straight years. I will take being in the lead every September and having the chance to do something over being those other teams anyday.
We are not perennial favorites…and anybody with a brain knew that…Hope is one thing…but favorites..no way
Who is Omar dining with Thursday?
Guys most teams are not going to sign Type A or B FA until after the dealine for arbitration. Why sign a Type A guy and HAVE to give up a pick when if the other team does not offer arbitration you don’t have to give up any.
This is why you usually don’t see ANY type A FA sign Before the December deadline.
another fine point. The Mets really need to hire the 2 of us to come in for a day and draw up the off season plans for the front office. I personally will work cheap!
need to lay off the hot wings before bed, Stick…
seen RustyJr around anywheres?
Who gets signed first? Tex, CC, Manny or K-rod?
1. KRod Mets
2. CC Skanks
3. Tex Angels
4. Manny Dodgers