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Last week, in Newsday, David Lennon reported the Mets had received the medical information for Francisco Rodriguez.
However, today, in the New York Post, Bart Hubbuch writes, “Contrary to a published report, the Mets didn’t receive the medical breakdown on Rodriguez until yesterday afternoon and are just now poring over it.
In the Daily News, Adam Rubin quotes Minaya as saying, while things have been slow, the Hot Stove will pick up shortly.
…as i said last night, it’s starting to feel like the Not Stove Season, not the Hot Stove Season…
Minaya said the team has yet to make any official offers to free agent players, ‘though conversations with agents may get more substantive later this week.’
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Last night I dreamt that we traded for Pat Neshek. Considering he just completed Tommy John surgery, not sure what that means. Any dream interpreters out there?
you either need a woman, or to stop eating hot wings before bed.
Hmm, I did eat late last night.
I have read several comments here and elsewhere that GMs are dragging their feet. I don’t think that’s true. Doesn’t the real flurry happen during and right after the winter meetings? I think this hot stove is right on schedule.
I agree. I don’t remember much happening in November at all, except teams retaining their own FAs and a few minor signings (Affeldt).
Although I recall the trade for Delgado happening before Thanksgivign.
And the Matt Holliday trade is nothing to sneeze at.
Yeah, the Delgado deal (and I think Pedro signed right around thanksgiving too), those are the only pre-december deals I can really remember — things are right on schedule this year
Honestly, how many big deals get made before the Winter meetings, usually? Not that many, and deals of any sort are really not very common until those meetings start, so people just need to relax. I know we’re all anxious to see Omar do something so we can see if there’ll be any hope next season, but just because he hasn’t made a move doesn’t mean he’s not going to. Give Omar his time.
Omar should post here a weekly address where he lays out his vision, goals and plans for the Hot Stove.
who says he doesn’t
I was always suspicious about mistermet.
We gave King Omar his time. He gave us back to back chokes. He made the Mets the laughinfstock of baseball. Yes, lets relax and let him go for a troika.
Was any of that English?
I’m just saying there’s no reason to get anxious because no moves have bee made yet. Sure, I’ve got no faith in Omar at this point, but he’s what we’ve got and he’ll give us the 2009 Mets, for better or worse. I’ll reserve judgement on his offseason until he’s made some moves.
That being said, I really don’t see how we can finish ahead of Philly or Florida next season. I still have some hope, but that’ll depend on the rest of the offseason.
Florida? And Philly played over their heads last year, and got a lot of breaks, and still only finished a few games ahead of the mets. And if it wasn’t for the pen (the easiest area to change, and most fungible from year to year anyway), the Mets were otherwise the better team.
The Mets have been the ‘better team’ for three years in a row and what has it gotten us? And don’t overlook Florida next year, with that talent I could easily see them overtaking us.
Of course there are lots of comversations going on between GMs and agents (and other GMs). What you see/read is only the tip of the ice berg, and mostly disinformation at that.
I expect that once the dam breaks, you won’t be able to keep up with the action. The dominos will be falling!
My current with list 9the big stuff):
1)Sign sheets 2/3 years
2)trade for Vazquez if the player cost is reasonable.
3)add a FA closer (krod, fuentes or wood, whatever makes the most sense deal wise)
4) sign Teixaria
Lots of big moves, but make the team way better.
the rest will be fill in and adjustments (trade delgado, add other BP arms, etc.).
#3 is almost a forgone conclusion, and who knows about the rest. at least do one?
I really don’t think the mets will even entertain the idea of Tex. Maybe I’m wrong
Totally agree, especially about Tex. You figure Omar has to be thinking long term and we have no long term plan for 1B.
why not?
Why do most fans think that if the Mets get Vazquez through a trade, that they would still go after another frontline pitcher like Lowe or Sheets…it can be argued whether or not Vazquez is a number 2, but he does get paid like one.
The bottom line is that the Mets have $30M to spend:
1 – closer ($10M-15M) Krod or Fuentes
2 – starter ($10M – 15M) Lowe/Perez or Vazquez
3 – bench player – ($1M – $2M) – middle infielder
The bullpen will be revamped through multiple trades.
The number 5 starter will probably be Niese or Vargas, because I can’t see them spending big $$$ on a number 5.
However, if they flip Delgado for Putz, and play Murphy at 1B then they can spend $10-15M on another starter. There are many options.
why in hell would Seattle want Delgado? Only a contender would want him. If Seattle wants to contend, why would they trade their closer?
Do you really see Murphy being as productive as Delgado next year? Even at his worst, Delgado was still good for 24HR and 87 RBIs in 2007. I don’t see Murphy putting up those kinds of numbers in 2009.
Sure, but we need to think long term. Murphy can be our long term solution for 1B if not 2B.
Seattle would never do this. And also, im a big murphy fan but he wouldnt put up nearly the power and production numbers as delgado. We’d have a power outage, we’d play like the Twins
Any chance we could get Sonnanstine for Delgado and a prospect? Do that, move Murph to first, sign Hudson, somehow get Dye and Vazquez while unloading Castillo and appeasing the White Sox, maybe Castillo and Niese if there asking price on Dye goes down a bit? Losing Delgado’s salary would help the money taken on with Dye. FA signings: K-Rod,Hudson,Cordero, Easley
Trade Heilman for Street and your all set:
Reyes
Hudson
Wright
Dye
Beltran
Church
Murphy
Castro/Schneider
Santana
Pelfrey
Sonnanstine
Maine
Vazquez
K-Rod
Street
Cordero
Smith
Feliciano
Schowenweis
Parnell/Sanchez/Stokes competition
Castro/Schneider
Easley
Evans
Endy
Tatis
only one lefty in the rotation and we keep Feliciano and Schowenweis, but not too unrealistic
Vasquez gets paid like a #5 not a number 2. 11 million is the going rate for a solid #5.
And the Mets have a little more than 30 million left.
If you bring in
Vasquez 11
Krod 14
That’s 25 million. It still leaves you enough money to get another starter. Maybe not Lowe, but another quality guy to compete with Niese.
dude you just said that a solid number 5 gets $11M so how are they going to get another with only $5M?
Don’t forget they have a handful of arbitration eligible players headlined by Maine, so there goes your fluff.
You’re also forgetting that we wouldn’t be paying Castillo’s $6M. So, $6+$5M=$11M. Therefore we have enough for another #5. Blew that one of the water!
Do you really think Chicago is going to take on Castillo’s contract…they would kind of defeat the purpose of trading Vazquez….you guys think this is Fantasy baseball
If you read my post you would know that I said they had a little more than 30 million.
They have around 35 million to spend and I am sure Omar could talk them into a few more here and there because Wagner’s salary comes off next season.
That being said, I did not say go get Lowe. I said get someone to compete with Niese. Trade for a guy like Sonnanstine or a reclamation project like Snell.
It’s not? I’m just going on the rumors that are posted here by Matt.
I think that the rumor was just made up by some terrible journalist. Just because the Sox wanted to dump Vasquez and the Mets Castillo. But it made no sense in the begining as Vasquez is worth much more than that. There would be plenty of teams out there that would give prospects and take no ALL of Vasquez contract. We are not unloading Castillo on them unless we take Contreras or something.
“We gave King Omar his time. He gave us back to back chokes. He made the Mets the laughinstock of baseball. Yes, lets relax and let him go for a troika.”
i kinda agree wit u with the point that we are the laughinstock of baseball, we again showed no heart at all, with that being said i also think WE as a team over achieve, i mean, how many teams can say:”we have no left field, no right field for more than a year, a lame duck horrible manager, NO BULLPEN AT ALL, a first basemen who didn’t wanna play until july, no 4th or 5th starter due to injury or inconsistency(pedro) and still be 1 game out at the end of the year?
i don’t care if you are the 1927 yankees most teams will not over come that..
Don’t know about you but when I think of laughing stock of baseball I think of the Nationals, Detroit, the Yankees, etc. I get your point that the Mets did better than they should’ve but doesn’t that just mean that they fought as much as they could but couldn’t pull it out.
Wow Alex…I actually somewhat agree with you…This team didn’t have the talent to compete with the Phils..had a horrible manager and still almost made the playoffs…
Well, despite the offensive ‘holes’ we scored more runs than the Phillies. Gotta make them count more, but it wasn’t offense. Wagner was the single biggest issue, coupled with Heilman’s nagging injury and the inability for anybody else to either be consistent or be used properly. Nothings changed yet except for retaining the horrible manager, who hopefully will get better.
Offensively Murphy and Church could have better years, and Maine hopefully can stay healthy the entire time and get deeper into games.
Omar’s about as good as we can get in terms of a GM, he’ll get some players here to have their shot.
We are not the laughingstock of baseball though…not even close…The Pirates signed two guys from an Indian Reality Show today..I mean come on…
I saw that too. Wow.
wait, you mean that was true? I thought it was a joke!
When you mention the Pirates, don’t discount anything. lol
guys here’s what i mean by laughnstock, the pirates nats and teams like that are out of it in april, we choked in 2007 and we were perennial favorites to win not only the division but the nl, and again we choke!!!! everybody knew what we did, don’t forget we’re in the media capital of the world so everybody will know about us.
You have to look at it other ways too. Detroit is much more of a laughing stock. They spent just as much money and finished last. The Yankee’s….. LOL.
Yes it’s bad to choke in back to back years. But the idea that the Mets were the best team and did not win for 2 years means that we are very relevant. As a Mets fan for 22 years it is nice to be regarded as relevant for 3 straight years. I will take being in the lead every September and having the chance to do something over being those other teams anyday.
We are not perennial favorites…and anybody with a brain knew that…Hope is one thing…but favorites..no way
Who is Omar dining with Thursday?
Guys most teams are not going to sign Type A or B FA until after the dealine for arbitration. Why sign a Type A guy and HAVE to give up a pick when if the other team does not offer arbitration you don’t have to give up any.
This is why you usually don’t see ANY type A FA sign Before the December deadline.
another fine point. The Mets really need to hire the 2 of us to come in for a day and draw up the off season plans for the front office. I personally will work cheap!
need to lay off the hot wings before bed, Stick…
seen RustyJr around anywheres?
Who gets signed first? Tex, CC, Manny or K-rod?
1. KRod Mets
2. CC Skanks
3. Tex Angels
4. Manny Dodgers
Agree with those.
Hey guys, when we change our screen name can we at least let each other know who we are? I don’t wanna go around looking for someone when I want to ask them a question.
I’m “Number41″ ; but got thrown off for riding Willie too hard….
Thanks, so Willie bucked you. LOL.
I’ve always been CaseStreet.
But one day I may be “The metsblogger formerly known as CaseStreet!”
Yes he did….did’nt even buy me dinner first!
K-ROD.. to the mets..
CC.. to the mets..
MANNY.. to the mets..
TEX.. to the orioles.. Then traded to the mets for castillo and delgado..
lol, jk.. but one can dream..
Mets win 2009 WS and then become the worst team in the MLB in 3 years.
I’d take that.
yeah.. but with tex and k-rod we’ll be contenders for years to come.. YEARS TO COME YOU HEAR THAT OMAR!!
they are poUring over it?
One world series victory makes all this stuff worth it.
U MEAN A CHAMPIONSHIP?!! lol..
in 2000 we had a victory in game 3..
I mean a championship
we just mad cause phillies won it, but guys, as i said before, they won because they face no pressure (nobody care or was watching) just like the 06 cardinals, they are not gonna be good for years to come like we can if we make the right move, we just need more attitude in this lineup, that’s why i’ve been saying get manny, becoz he will not back down like these guys do.. he will welcome the challenge and thrive under it, i believe he can win an MVP if he’s wit us next year, and beltran and co will ave even better seasons than b4, get him and automatically will change our choking cultutre for the past 2 years.. and to be honest, the way omar is playing it, trying to get price to come down on k-rod, trying to trade for a pitcher, is because he wants to sign him.
You’re crazy…one thing has nothing to do with the other…With Billy Wagner in the bullpen..nobody calls this team chokers…unhealthy.. yes…old ..without a doubt…but not chokers…they make the playoffs with Wagner to close games, they didn’t without him…its pretty simple actually
didn’t we had billy in 2007? am i missing something here? didn’t he blew 7 GAMES before the all star game?
you can’t compare 07 and 08. 07 the team fell apart but i think a better manager would have prevented it.
the 08 team just had so many holes and with the bullpen being as bad as it was and if it wasnt for Delgado’s ressurgance this team would have been eliminated by the middle of september.
If the mets can sign K-Rod, a setup man, a RH bat and a legit #2 SP, then if the team stays healthy, i see no reason why we can’t at least win the Wildcard
“If the mets can sign K-Rod, a setup man, a RH bat and a legit #2 SP, then if the team stays healthy, i see no reason why we can’t at least win the Wildcard”
your expectations are very low asking for all that.. if we get all that i’m sure we wouldn’t be thinking wildcard..
well what makes you think the Phillies won’t be in the playoff hunt?
Of course they will be. But if teams remain the same as it looks like the Phillies will and the Mets improve their weaknesses, wouldn’t you give the advantage to the team that lost by 1 game?
no b/c all mets bias aside, the phillies are a better team. They have a better lineup, rotation and bullpen plus they know how to win.
The mets might have more talent but the intangiables are missing and until the mets bring in winning players like Lowe, K-Rod, and the best winner of all, Manny (i know Manny isn’t realistic), the Phillies are still the better team
How does a team that has more talent not have a better lineup, rotation or pen? That’s just false. I can agree on the know how to win maybe. Fact is the Phillies won because their pen was better than ours. Not to mention the idea of “winning” players is laughable. Players don’t win anything in team sports, teams do.
the Phillies have heart and that beats talent any day of the week.
its the reason why A-Rod might wind up being the best hitter in MLB history, but he’ll never win a WS
Ah yes, the old “who needs talent when I have heart and grit” argument…
Let’s sign Eckstein to play 2nd. Who cares that he’s 34 and OPSed around .700 last season…he’s a grinder and has heart and KNOWS how to win. He doesn’t need the talent to win because he already knows how to.
…man I miss FJM…
also Teixiera is not going to be a met regardless of how awesome it would be. its just not possible. No matter what the Mets offer, the yankees will outbid us. the mets would have to give him A-Rod money to get the yankees out of the bidding and that clearly isn’t going to happen.
also forget Javier Vasquez as a frontline starter. he’s got booed out of NY once already and now the ChiSox fans can’t wait to get rid of him either. Why would you to rely on a guy that the Yankees and now the ChiSox can’t wait to get rid of???
I disagree. The Yankee’s don’t have to have Tex and will not spend as much as we think. They are going to get CC and then another pitcher such as Burnett. I don’t think they will even make a real play on Tex unless the Rsox really get involved. Tex will most likely go to the Angels and yes we could outbid them.
Also on Vasquez, we shoud not take players now that other teams want to get rid of? We should not take players that get booed? Man that’s incredible GM thinking right there. Vasquez was brought in to be an Ace last time. He is not an Ace, however, as a #4 pitcher he may be one of the best in the NL>
i’d take Vasquez as a number 4 any day of the week, but we need a #2 and Vasquez clearly doesnt have the mentality to be a top of the rotation guy.
I am not saying he does or does not. But the idea that we have to over pay for a #2 and for get the other pitcher is crazy. I would much rather have 2 #3’s than 1 #2 and Niese in the rotation.
i would overpay for Lowe for 3 years and lets say he only has another 2 years at a #2 level, by that time Niese should be at least a #3 and we’d still have Parnell as our #5 starter with Holt who might the best out of all of them in AAA plus we’d still have Santana and Pelfrey atop the rotation.
we only really need Lowe for 2 years and i dont see why in 3-4 years hed have a huge dropoff in production. He’d be an expensive #4 SP in 3 years but we need him in the short term so in my eyes its worth it
Problem is that if you over pay for Lowe then you can’t afford another starter. Thus you have a question mark in Maine and a question mark in Niese.
If you get Vasquez and another #3-5 guy then you don’t have those question marks.
Sorry but as I said
Johan, Lowe, Pelfrey, Maine, Niese
is not as good as
Johan, Pelfery, Vasquez, Maine, other #5.
i would rather have a question mark at the #5 SP than the #2 or #3. plus niese wouldnt be the #5 anyway unless he dominates at spring training. it would most likely be Pedro which for entertainment purposes i wouldnt mind
Johan, Lowe, Pelfrey, Maine, Pedro/Niese/FA is so much better than Johan, Pelfrey, Vasquez, Maine, Garland/Marquis/FA
BTW, it’s interesting that alot is being made of Citi’s deal with the Mets for the naming rights of CitiField after Citi’s bailout. I wonder if Citi continues to fail will they be forced to reneg on this contract.
Nope, they got what 20 billion from the government and only have to pay the Mets 20 million each year?
If it does happen, I really like Matt’s idea of Apple Field.
nah. citi will just cut another 50,000+ jobs first.
Hey nice. More attendance at day games. Yes I am out of touch with reality. It’s a sports blog so that’s ok.
All games will be sold out, just no one in the seats cuz the scalpers already bought all the tix but no one’s gonna buy from them.
Supply and demand baby. If no one is buying the tickets the scalpers sold then they will lower their price. What good is a ticket to them after the game?
Most free agent position players will wait for Texieiera to set the market, most starters will wait for CC, most relievers will wait for KRod. The problem is that these players are waiting for some lesser players to be over paid so they can milk more from other teams. Someone will eventually blink, by say January.
True to an extent but as I said earlier today, none of these guys will sign before the arbitration deadline. What if the Angels are affraid to offer Krod arbitration because of the chance based on that record setting season they give him a 18 million dollar contract or something. Yes Krod would most likely still take the multiyear deal and yes most likely the Angels will offer him arbitration but why take that chance. IF we sign him now we have to give up the pick no matter what.
I noticed alot of people talking about Vasquez. What do you guys realistically think it would take to get him? I think trading Castillo and eating the third year of hisdeal, plus Evans might do it.
That would open the door to sign Hudson. I’d probably be willing to give him 4 years 44 million.
I’d also sign k-Rod to a 4 year 48 million deal.
I’d trade Heilman and Parnell for Andy Sonnanstine
And sign Juan Cruz to a 3 year 12 million deal.
For people trying to keep track, thats about 30 million in additional salary. And I know we’d be signing some type A free agents, thats why i’d offer Oliver perez arbitration.
I wish you were signing my paychecks!
I would love to see Castillo go, but want no part of Hudson on a big money long term deal.
I would not touch Hudson for anything more than 4/32 at the most. Why try and fix the Castillo mistake with a larger one?
Maybe eating a little of the Castillo deal would lessen the prospects. Something like 6.5 million. That means that the Mets would basically be getting Vazquez for market value for 2 years. Not bad at all.
Hey what’s wrong with the Pirates signing those two Indian guys. It doesn’t hurt to give them a shot.
Would everyone prefer we go back to losing the division in June? not contending and spending 100 mil and still be a laughing stock……
I dont think so?…. What?