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Last week, Newsday reported the Mets had received medical information for Francisco Rodriguez, while citing Omar Minaya.
The same day, the player’s agent told the Daily News the same information.
However, this morning, five days later, the New York Post writes, “Contrary to a published report, the Mets didn’t receive the medical breakdown on Rodriguez until yesterday,” while also citing the player’s agent.
…wait, what…so, the agent is refuting himself, and the team’s GM…exactly how does that work…does he need a mirror for that trick…or, just a two-line phone…so bizarre…
Yesterday morning, WEEI Radio in Boston wrote the Red Sox offered a one-year contract to Jason Varitek, which Varitek’s agent denied later in the day, per the Boston Globe.
…are you sensing a trend…anyone, anyone…
Last week, Hal Steinbrenner told the Associated Press that the team’s six-year offer to CC Sabathia ‘is not going to be around forever,’ which resulted in a headline that read, ‘Sabathia Has Deadline to Accept Yankees Offer.’
However, yesterday, at SI.com, Jon Heyman wrote, “The Yankees have not yet set a deadline for Sabathia, and according to someone familiar with their thinking, they have no intention to pull the offer anytime soon.”
At the same time, ESPN reported yesterday that the Nationals were working on a multi-year deal for Odalis Perez, which the player’s agent later denied to MLB.com, saying, the team has simply expressed interest, ‘We talked and that’s where it is.’
Also, in the Star-Ledger, Dan Graziano recently wrote, “If the Blue Jays explore trading Roy Halladay (as some continue to insist they will), the Dodgers are believed to be his most likely destination.”
However, Blue Jays GM J.P. Ricciardi later told Ken Davidoff in Newsday, “That hasn’t even crossed our mind.”
Similarly, “The Rockies have spoken to Will Ohman’s agent,” wrote the Rocky Mountain News on Sunday.
However, Ohman’s agent told the Denver Post yesterday that the Rockies have never called him.
Lastly, over the weekend, Rafael Furcal told El Caribe that the A’s and Mets each offered him a contract.
However, later in the day, his agent told Yahoo! Sports the report was ‘bogus.’
…this last one is my favorite, since it’s the actual freaking player who started the story…not some anonymous source, but the actual player…yet, it’s false…unreal…
…my sense is people are rushing to get information up on their websites, and so they are being a bit sloppy, not very thurough and are unknowingly misinterpreting statements…
…because, they can’t all be correct…inherently, one of the two reports in each scenario has to be wrong, or at least not totally accurate…so, what is the average fan to think…
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i just wanna come onto this site and see a headline of “Mets get Krod” SOON
The Red Sox are trying to sign TWENTY-TWO year old pitcher
Tazawa.
That’s the way to do it, not signing a 37 year old to a 4 or 5 year contract.
k-rod is 26.
I think he meant by 37 year old is Jason Varitek, not K-Rod.
the average fan, as always, is the last to know anything. I personally take it all with a grain of salt, since it just rumor.
The problem is, as Matt implies, some of the writers seem to be reporting as “fact” what is really just “rumor”
anyway, as usual, 90% of the deals that come down will be a complete shock to all the experts and talking heads. part of what makes the off season fun, and why there is no point in bashing Omar based on these reports.
We know its frustrating Matt. Everybody is waiting for CC to sign before any real moves happen. If there’s no news to report, we don’t blame you for not having many posts. There’s no Santana deal waiting for us this year, so there’s no endless speculation from other cities’ newpapers (la velle e neal III anyone?)
thats why no matter how curious we are, no matter how much fun it is to play fantasy gm, no matter how many comments and debating that goes back and forth in the comments section, we all need to just realize that the media has their story to run, and that agents and players and teams are all looking to get the best possible deals, and if that means lying, stretching truth, bending rules, etc, its gonna happen.
Dont get me wrong, i’ll write what my “plan” is for the mets to do and quote things ive read on the net, but until we actually see a TRUE signing or trade, all it is going to be IS “fantasy GM.”
That being said, trade for vazquez, sign ollie or sheets, sign K-rod, trade delgado, sign texiera, sign joe biemel
good plan, just pa-ss on Biemel and make it sheets not ollie.
oh i forgot to add trade heilman and either show or feliciano
as for sheets or ollie, it’s really pick ur poison..do u want a better pitcher that gets hurt often in sheets or a younger pitcher that is a lil more inconsistent that never gets hurt?
I’ll take either really
but if u think about it, i dont think we can get putz or street or anybody of real “value” for delgado and heilman and such..but teams WILL give up prospects…so we can either flip them to get a street or vazquez, or we can replenish our farm.
The average fan should not lose any sleep over these ridiculous rumors. Honestly, no rumor (from a foreign newspaper or local newspaper) is credible.
Alert me when a signing actually happens.
“and so they being a bit sloppy,”
Cla$$ic! Pot, please call the kettle black.
He fixed it.
In other news, I woke up and went to work this morning…wait, no I didn’t.
Which one of me is telling the truth? hmmmm….
It’s the internet. No one can tell!
“That being said, trade for vazquez, sign ollie or sheets, sign K-rod, trade delgado, sign texiera, sign joe biemel”
chart, i’m glad that more mets fan are coming to their senses and as well as me want this guy here.. but you forgot one thing..
GET RID OF CASTILLO!!!!!!!!!!
another thing to worry about when you have to…we all know castillo is gonna be booed mercilessly this season, but we also know that the odds of getting anything for him really are slim…
so, i’d worry about getting rid of him last, because if we do, that means we’re getting b level prospects at best and probably paying a chunk of his salary…thats the one area i think mets fans have to come to realize that no matter what happens, we’re gonna be weak there. Yes, people like O-Dawg, but im not that big a fan of him, especially for what kind of deal he supposedly wants…if we can get texiera, i really dont care who plays 2nd, as long as he is decent in the field and hits 8th..if that means its a switch hitting castillo, fine…just dont put him anywhere near the top of this lineup
You guys are crazy if you think we’re getting Texeira… there are teams out there that need a first baseman that are willing to pay a lot more than the Mets are. The Mets focus is gonna be on pitching. So you can hope and pray that we trade Delgado and sign Tex (in addition to K-Rod), but that’s a pipe-dream.
i understand that…i am one of the more level headed fans that i know of, no disrespect to anyone. I never say “i hope we get him” or “texiera: get it done omar!” cuz i know it’s not really reality….however, i will always maintain thats what we SHOULD do, because it just makes a ton of sense. NOw thats not to say “well we SHOULD sign cc, tex, k-rod, juan cruz, and trade for vazquez and street, and robinson cano” cuz thats just plain silly.
But it isnt far fetched to really explore trading delgado for prospects and throwing a boat load of money at a mvp-type switch hitting power gold glove 1b that will be our solution there for the next 8 years.
I remember hearing NOTHING about beltran years ago, but i kept saying “we gotta at least explore signing him” and suddenly it just cilcked in omar’s head and we went out and signed him. I’d love to see that happen again
While a dream yes, it still makes sense. Adding Tex to our 2009 payroll will only increase it about 8 million dollars after we trade Delgado. I really don’t think as many teams are involved as you think. The Yankee’s I think will spend all of their money on pitching, I still don’t see the RSox doing it, the Angels will make a big offer but will they go 8/160+?
We have no idea what might happen. What if the Rays decided they really wanted Delgado to take Floyd’s spot? Would we not be interested in one of their excess #4-5 starters?
I think what we view as junk or not as useful to the Mets, it might be helpful for a team that’s not willing to break the bank for a certain player. Yeah, you won’t get the moon for Delgado but the Mets could get back some money and/or prospects.
Good grief, who cares what team talked to what player or player’s agent, who cares what hte players say to who…
Just tell me when someone signs, or is traded. Because all this is just ridiculous.
That s why I comment so infrequently during the off-season. The whole thing is one giant circle-jerk until we know the facts.
If you are Omar, do you love this time of year and play the game to the fullest or do you hate it and want to get it over ASAP?
Um…it is called a *rumor mill* not a *fact mill.*
This happens every year:
Baseball writers HEAR things and write about them–those things don’t HAVE to be true.
Baseball GMs/front office personnel will be asked about those things and give answers–they don’t HAVE to be true.
Agents/Players will be asked about those things and give answers–they don’t HAVE to be telling the truth.
Unless you’ve never followed an Hot Stove season before this can’t be a surprise to you. There is absolutely nothing odd or remarkable about any of these *rumors* or *refutals.* And there is also no reason to believe that any of these people(writers, GMs, agents) is telling the truth.
These guys have to have something to write about and it isn’t the job of an agent or GM to confirm their story so the path of least resistance is almost always a denial.
Right like a GM will say “Luis Castillo is our 2B right now” and it will be taken 2 different ways by 2 different reporters.
1) Mets are stuck with Castillo. Omar gives vote of confidence.
2) Mets are looking to get rid of Castillo. Omar shows no confidence at all.
Doesn’t seem too out of the ordinary. Agents and players are using the press to drum up support and hype, the clubs play it down to try and negate the effects.
Yup normal old negotiations/.
Guys the biggest difference and what will continue to grow is the impact of blogs and the internet on sports rumors. I am sure much of this stuff is normal posturing. It’s just we never were aware of it before. Now the players, agents, GM’s, owners are all trying to use media to get what they want.
I am willing to bet that not many big name type A FA are signing before the Arbitration deadline. So just sit back and enjoy the mill.
Plain and simple people are lying. Whether its the players, the agents, the teams or the writers. If someone writes ‘a source’ (player, agent, etc) told me this, and a week later someone else writes that is not true. Either one of the writers or the source is LYING.
These stories, for the most part, are not a case of writers getting sloppy.
Not always the case. Se my response above about Castillo. Sometimes reporters are making inferences based on what is said. IT’s their job if they are a columnist.
You are both absolutely right…the 24/7 nonstop ESPN/web/blog scene has made it so that all of us want the Mets to sign KRod and Texeira and CC the day after the World Series ends…all of these clowns on TV and the internet (NOT referring to Matt here) have to have something to say and write. Olney practically has admitted that he makes up the trade rumors he blathers about.
TRS is right that reporters can take 10 different angles from something meaningless Omar says.
And Carlos is absolutely right that lying is prevalent. Agents lie. Nonstop. Football fans know of Drew Rosenhaus, agent for TO and Chad Idiot on the Bengals, and I doubt he has ever said one sincere honest word in public. And Boras’ pronouncements are exaggerated jokes at best. He talked about how Jeff Weaver had all of these offers a couple of years ago, which were complete lies and Weaver signed a small one year deal with the Mariners. And couldn’t even keep his place in the rotation.
I am 42, and when I was a teenager, we waited for the winter meetings, and waited until there was news. Now with Metsblog and everything else, we want everything to happen NOW. And with the zillion outlets with reporters bugging Omar probably every time he leaves his house, he has to say something to him, and it is going to be reported on, overanalyzed, and distorted on 50 media outlets.
It is only Nov 25th, and we have clowns on here screaming about how the Mets don’t spend enough and how Omar is missing the boat, etc. It is crazy. I want us to have KRod already too, but the Wilpons did not get filthy rich by being stupid and offering above-market prices for players before the market has settled itself.
OK, enough, but I do think if we are patient, we will see KRod, and more bullpen help, and maybe a surprise or two, and we will be seeing postseason ball in 2009.
Exactly. I pressed refresh and nothing new is on the screen. What are these clowns doing. I am investing 125 refreshes a day and they can’t even sign anyone.
This is why I don’t believe anything I read, and ignore most rumors and trade talks.
If it hasn’t been reported at least 2-3 places, for a half hour or so, I’m still reluctant.
I always come on this site to see whats going on with my favorite team, and love all the comments and such. Hello to everyone!!! I wont write much here i dont think, so maybe every once in a while.
To be honest, im really waiting and hoping that f-mart can actually make it up to the roster and play so that the fans can enjoy a homegrown kid who should turn into a monster for us. I hear so much about him but i wanna see this kid play and see what he can do in the lineup. I like the idea of getting one of the rays pitchers with a package of church and a pitcher maybe (parnell???). This would be good if omar could sign or trade for a good outfielder like dye or manny etc. Like everyone else i would love the idea of manny for like 2-3 yrs, but of course more than likely wont happen. What about Delmon Young? WOuld anyone here think he would do well? An outfield of F-Mart, Beltran and D. Young??? SOunds pretty good. Or maybe a package of Aarron and others for one of those package of Rangers catchers although i kno C is not much needed as the pen etc, but just given thought. I seen everyone talk about the same players and scenarios but what about other options??? I believe and everyone believes K-Rod will come to ny, no brainer. Closer shouldnt even be discussed no more because its pretty much locked. I dont know whos better between Niese, Jackson, and Andy whatever his last name is, but if niese is at the bottom of those 3, then why not include him in a trade for lets say Dye or another good trade? Thats if either jackson or Andy S can be gotten…that would make up for that young pitcher with a future….i dont know….comments???
Wow, where to start?
Why would you trade Church when you most likely would not need to? Church is cheap and undercontrol and league average or above. You don’t trade those guys unless you have to. Trade guys like Evans, Kunz, Bowman, Parnell, etc. We can’t afford 2-3 years of Manny and get anything else we need. 2/50 for Manny leaves us about 5-10 million left in the entire offseason.
Fmart is not ready and will not be until 2010 most likely. Thus Murphy will be your LF for this season. Then you can move him to 1B next season if he progresses.
I’d also like to say that, considering the price of closers keeps going down and down, due to over saturation and miniscule demand, I don’t think anybody’s going to rule out the Mets picking up Francisco Rodriguez, as well as other high-profile closers/relievers (Wood, Hoffman, Street, Fuentes, or any combination of the five) to patch up the pen.
I think we could get any of the Street, Putz, Cruz, Beimel but with the market as low as it is we still are not going to get Wood or Fuentes as setup men. They will still get 10 million each or long term contracts. That’s not something they will do for a setup man.
my offseason plan would be to let murphy play 2B(sign a backup 2B just in case). now 2B is solved, dont need to spend money on hudson. use that money on a starting pitcher like lowe,burnett or sheets(3 years max for lowe 4 years max for burnett and 2 years max for sheets). trade heilman and evans and a low level prospect for street. sign k-rod. trade delgado for a 5th starter or bullpen help. sign tex, yes its a lot of money but this guy is a complete player and will be good for a long time. sign a cheap bullpen arm. trade castillo and a prospect for vasquez. and sign a lefthand bat to platton with tatis in LF. trade for bengi molina.
reyes
murphy
beltran
tex
wright
church
molina
tatis/LH BAT
santana
lowe/sheets/burnett
pelfrey
maine
vasquez
krod
street
new guy acquired for delgado
smith
feliciano
stokes/holt
yes we will have to increase our payroll, but we are a big market team, so what!!
thats a good point about payroll…people say “oh well we gotta increase payroll”…well, thanks to the horrendous agreement and no cap in place, players will ALWAYS look to increase salary over the next guy…johan signs a record contract…one year later, it looks like CC is gonna break it…silva signs a ridiculous contract, as well as meche..now every mediocre to decent pitcher wants to trump that one…
as long as individual salaries are CONSTANTLY going up, teams payrolls will INEVITABLY GO UP
so the mets have like what 25 mil coming off the books? In order to do better than last year and improve an already competitive team, we’re going to have to use that 25 mil AND an additional probably 15-20 mil just to keep up. Yes, you can find some cheaper players and diamonds in the rough, but in baseball, if u don’t pay up, you’re not going to get the good Free agents. Thats just how it is, unfortunately. Which again, is why there is NO REASON we shouldnt be fully in on any texiera talks. Because 1b might not be a REAL problem this year, but is sure will be in the following year
I think it would be a waste to trade Delgado for a middle reliever. Middle relief can be traded for smaller value or be signed. Although i really do like the idea of signing Sheets for a 2 yr dela with 3rd yr option or some sort. A rotation like this would be pretty decent:
Santana
Sheets
Pelfrey
Maine
Jackson?Andy (whatever his last name is…lol)
Degado for prospects to replace what gets traded elsewhere. Ideally a catcher of the future is one of them.
Well if you like what Pedro has given us the last two years then Sheets is a great replacement.
But who will make the other 20 starts?
K LO K mi pana, i’m wit you 100% man.. GET TEIXEIRA!!
Crazy idea. Why not start Murphy at second, run a platoon out in left field with Tatis and …..Barry Bonds. You know he wants back in and I can’t imagine he will cost too much. He will be one a one year deal. You have defensive replacements to back him up. High reward here, have to look at every possibility.
Barry Who???
yah! Omar would find his age and physical condition perfect! Get the check book out! NY would love the linseed oil man!
YEA, i understand about Church being cheap and under control for a while, thats why i asked what if we were to get Delmon Young as his replacement? The Mets dont need to trade much for the pen, because they are quite a few to sign from and you dont need stars or prospects for middle relievers. So do a package for Niese and others for Dye (there goes more pop in the lineup) and IF only IF you can trade church for one of those rays young pitchers. Then you still have that young pitcher who may be more proven in mlb level than Niese, and you get that 2 yr stopgap OF with pop, setting up F-Mart, and you can keep Murphy as a starter for LF, or platoon if may be. This would open other doors for somehow trading castillio for some fries and a shake really, lol, but maybe for some middle relief help. WHich opens another door for either O-Dog (which many dont see the answer to slappy due to his injuries and contract demands) or another good cheap defensive 2nd baseman. We dont need to do trades for bullpen help. Its all out there for the takin in free agency. Omar should trade for one of those pitchers in tampa and for either dye or young. Trades for middle relievers shouldnt take much. Then with the addition of either Jackson or Andy, Omar can sign for either a Wolf or trade somehow for Vasquez.
If we’ve learned one thing this offseason its that sports writers have absolutely no credibility at all. Not one of them has even 1% credibility… we need to find a new set of them all. Out with the trash.
meng jus sign dis guy give him da 5 yearz meng hez 26 inlike like wagner n trade heliman get peavy
Huh??
I like how you complain the papers are being sloppy, yet your “thurough” spelling is atrocious on your updates.
Also, unlike what most people believe, agents are not always in constant communication with their clients. I bet Furcal read that the Mets were interested in a paper, and thought it was gospel. He’s not too bright.