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On Nov. 18, I wrote, “From what I can 
gather, the Mets are likely to make a trade for a relief pitcher, who has experience as a closer,” in addition to signing either Francisco Rodriguez, Brian Fuentes or Kerry Wood.”
In the post, I later suggested the Mets could be working to acquire Huston Street, in a deal involving Aaron Heilman.
Today, on his blog for the New York Post, Joel Sherman reports the Mets made such an offer in the days after Street was acquired by the Rockies, who then asked for Pedro Feliciano in addition to Heilman, which the Mets ultimately turned down.
…from what i can gather, having talked with people connected to the team, yes, the Mets and Rockies have been talking about a street-for-heilman deal, but i sense the Mets would prefer to trade a mid-level prospect with heilman…i have never heard feliciano’s name mentioned…or, at least to the extent that he will be included in any potential deal…nevertheless, the two sides continue to work on finding a solution…
In the report, Sherman writes, “The more I talk to Met officials the more I sense they want to use Street as the eighth-inning guy and still obtain a closer such as Brian Fuentes or Francisco Rodriguez. The Mets recognize they do not just have a ninth-inning problem, but that their whole late-inning contingent was troublesome.”
…this is why i wrote two weeks ago that they are working to acquire a set-up man with experience as a closer, because i sense they do not want to trust the closer position to just one person, for fear of what happened to them last season…and this is wise…
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I think the Mets should rename the field; call it Gil Hodges Field, after the one man soley responsible for making the franchise respectable!
Hey all you nutty Mets fans; Have a wonderful Thnaksgiving and let’s be thankful that even in these tough times, we still got alot and we still got them darn Mets!
if the Mets were going to rename the field it would be named after the greatest Met of all time, Jackie Robinson
i wish the mets either sign somebody or trade for somebody before thanksgiving, that way the food i’m piging out will digist better!! :-)
the turkey would taste that much sweeter; if you will…
yeah either one!!!
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Feliciano almost always gave up a hit to the first batter he faced. I was never comfortable when he was on the mound unless it was vs. Utley and Howard, and those two guys alone s not enough to keep him. Most of the bullpen has to go and an exorcism needs to be performed on the new bullpen at CitiField. That bullpen brings too many horrible memories. I would’ve given away Feliciano and Heilman in a second for Street.
No post on the story about Omar going after K-Rod and Fuentes from last night?
I understand this is going to be incredibly unpopular, but do people forget that Heilman did this?
Year Games W L ERA WHIP
2005 53 5 3 3.17 1.148
2006 74 4 5 3.62 1.161
2007 81 7 7 3.03 1.07
Yes, I know his 2008 was terrible and the Mets need to turn the page, but three straight solid years is not a fluke.
Heilman and Feliciano for Huston Street is a bit much.
Heilman cannot come back to NY. He’s damaged goods in the minds of most Mets fans (including this one). From a psychological perspective alone, he can’t come back. He brings way too much baggage and awful memories with him. This team needs to sever those ties.
Plus, for his sake, he should leave. He wants to be a starter anyway, and all of the booing, etc, can’t be helping his psyche. He - and we - are better off if he’s starting in Colorado or someplace else.
I don’t disagree. I’m just trying to show that he can pitch, and pitch well. Omar shouldn’t jettison him for the sake of getting him out of the Mets uniform. He has value…Mets fans, understandably, don’t see it, but he does.
Heilman and a b-level prospect for Street sounds about right to me.
I agree. But it seems that Feliciano doesn’t have much value by himself and we don’t know who he can be traded for. Plus Shoe did perform better against the LH last year, so he could be the LF specialist.
Even if it is a bit much, (which i dont think it is), You would not do that trade for a combination of Street and KROD at the back end of the bullpen?
gun to the head, I do that trade. However, I can’t hit Omar over the head for trying to include a b-level prospect over Feliciano. Especially with the current value of a solid LOOGY.
You bring up a good point. Heilman is a proven relief pitcher/starter that had pretty decent years. So his value may be greater than what we make it out to be. On the other hand, we might be over valuing Street with his injury history. However, Heilman cannot stay in NY and needs to be traded just like Armando Benitez. I would not mind trading Feliciano and Heilman for Street at this point.
ok…let’s say this deal is made (again, I’m probably for it). That makes show, basically, a must keep. In addition, we’ll probably have to sign or audition leftys for the pen next year.
Are mets fans ok with Show in a Mets uni next year if it means Heilman is gone and a street to KRod/Fuentes back end?
YES!!!
Shoe was actually pretty good against the lefties last season. I think his record was better than Feliciano’s record against the lefties.
Addition of Street would be great if he can stay healthy. On the other hand, Heilman or Feliciano can easily be replaced.
There are plenty of reasons to make this deal. I would have done this deal in a heart beat
1. It fee’s up an extra space in the pen. So we can fill 3 new arms. Closer(k-rod) 8th (Street) and then Beimel (who is a lefty) or someone else.
2. Feliciano wasn’t over worked last year. I don’t know where people get this from. he ended up pitching fewer innings last year then 2007 or 2006. His numbers against Lefties were the worst of the 3 years, and righties hit .357 off him. Show actually performed better against lefties, and righties (thought he was still terrible against righties)
Here is what i would be doing.
Make this trade. Sign K-Rod. Sign Beimel. Sign Cordero. Smith to AAA. Sign Everyday Eddie.
Krod
Street
Biemel
Stokes
Everyday Eddie
Sanchez
Show (unless you can move him also)
In the Minors you have:
Smith (until he can get out a LH hitter)
Cordero until he’s ready to be called up
Kunz who needs to work on getting out lefties also
Parnell
This gives the Pen Depth. I know Biemel will cost 4-5 mil a season and Eddie will possibly also. But that completely puts a new face on the Bullpen. Adds depth in the Minors with guys who could be effective if someone goes down. Has a good Mix of Left and Right pitchers. Also has guys who can get out Both sides of the plate(except Show)
I doubt Omar will sign a non-closer relief pitching to 4-5 mil. He would rather spend that money to get a SP and keep Smith. My bet is that Omar will get an 8th inning guy via trade and sign KRod or Fuentes. Maybe one minor signing of a RP, but that’s probably it as for bullpen.
From what I understand, the Mets DO have a budget to sign FAs this year and it’s not that much.
It’s about 30 million, Maybe a little more.
K-Rod will be 15 mil a season
Biemen(who they have been mentioned over and over) will be 4-5
Every Day Eddie because he is 38 might come a little less
That’s going to be in the 20-25 mil range. That leave close to enough to get one #4-5 Starting pitcher (Garland type).
This is all without moving either Castillo or Delgado. It would also eliminate the Arbitration for Heilman.
If those 2 are move that would open up another 17 million to either sign another SP, LFer or those will be filled with the players that are acquired.
CAPSLOCK=DISABILITY ACCOMODATION
CLUE #1 As WERE SHOPPING STREET FOR SOME TIME.
CLUE#2 ROCKS LOSING FUENTES WANT TO DEAL STREET
CLUE #3 STREET& PUTZ WERE ARGUABLY THE 2 WORST CLOSERS RUMORED TO BE AVAIL THIS YR. IF HE CAN’T CLOSE EFFECTIVLY WHY CAN HE SETUP EFFECTIVLY? IS THERE LESS PRESSURE SETTING UP IN NYC THAN THERE IS CLOSING IN OAKLAND? I CERTAINLY DOUBT IT. HE STUNK IN ‘08. BARELY WORTH HEILMAN LET ALONE HEILMAN+ IN ‘08 STREET ALLOWED 1.22 BASERUNNERS/IP AND K’D ONLY.83/IP, IN ADDITION HAD ONLY 18 SAVES OUT OF 25 OPPORTUNITIES. WHILE U MAY NOT VALUE HEILMAN & FELICIANO YOU HAVE TO REALIZE THERE ISN’T MUCH AVAILABLE OUT THERE & TO OVERPAY WITH BOTH FOR STREET IS LUDICROUS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. HELL, IN MY OIPINION, I’D PREFER AYALA AS RH SETUP TO STREET ANY DAY. STREET’S ONLY ADVANTAGE IS HE’S STRANGE TO THE LEAGUE. SAME ADVANTAGE K-ROD HAS OVER FUENTES. FOR EXAMPLE, IS STREET HAD BEEN METS’ CLOSER FOR ‘08 HE WOULD’VE HAD 32 SAVES. METS ACTUALLY HAD 36 FOR THE YR OUT OF WAGS & AYALA. IS THAT PROGRESS? LAST GM METS HAD WHO WOULD’VE DONE THAT DEAL WAS DUQUETTE.
Ayala was terrible with the Nats last year and he’s not better than Street.
Street wasn’t great last year, but he was a great setup man when he first came up. Plus, he had been plagued with injuries past couple years. If you compare talent alone, Street beats out Heilman and Feliciano.
At this point, Street is the best value out there for Heilman.
Putz isn’t close to the worst anything, and saying that he is devalues pretty much anything else you have to say…he was HURT last year, and before that had a career which improved eevry year leading to an incredible 2007.
At least the Mets are openly discussing a trade for Aaron Heilman. I think he would be better off with another team. I don’t expect him to start at all.
What do you guys think about my new slogan….
DON’T BE G@Y, TRADE HEILMAN AWAY!
i think it can catch on!
DO YOU GUYS EVER READ WHAT YOU TYPE OR ARE YOU SO INVESTED IN “CHANGE FOR SAKE OF CHANGE”? PUTZ WAS INJURED. STREET WAS INJURED. HERE’S MY COMEBACK; HEILMAN WASN’T INJURED! RESULT, HEILMAN MORE VALUABLE. INJURY DOESN’T EFFECT TALENT? PLEASE SEE DUANNER SANCHEZ ‘06 Vs ‘08 AND RECONSIDER. REMEMBER SANCHEZ’ WASN’T A PLAYING/PITCHING INJURY. ONCE INJUERED THERE’S NO TELLING WHAT YOU CAN TRULY EXPECT.PERSONALLY, I DON’ T CREDIT ANY PRE-INJURY NUMBERS ESP WITH A CLOSER, SETUP ARM. TOO LITTLE TIME TO REACT TO STOPPING DAMAGE. AT LEAST WITH A SP THEY’VE TIME TO ADJUST TAKE OFF, CHANGE ROUTINE, FIND WHAT ‘S WORKING, ADJUST TO UMPIRE. DOES ANYONE THINK BREWS GOY VALUE OUT OF GAGNE? OR BOSOX? HELLO, ONCE YOU EXCUSE WITH “INJURED” CLAIM Vs HEALTHY ARM. YOU’RE DEVALUED. I’D MUCH PREFER TO BANK ON A SANCHEZ COMEBACK FOR SETUP THAN OPN EITHER PUTZ OR STREET. THEY ARE WHAT THEY ARE. ONETIME ELITE CLOSERS WITH BROKEN WINGS THAT MAY NEVER REALLY FLY AGAIN.
Heilman was injured, according to posts. Heilman wants to start. And ever since he made it public he wants to he has gone down hill as a reliever. So Just move him for someone who enjoy’s being a reliever. Also with the arbitration raises, the salaries for the 2 will be close to equal.
Also i was looking at where this 30 million dollar mets budget came from. That is what is off the books from last year going into this year. So the mets should easily spend 30 million and can easily go over. The Luxury Cap number per the bargaining agreement in 2009 is 162 million. The Mets current Payroll before the arbitration eligible players is 104 million. So in reality this leaves the mets close to 58 million of breathing room before they enter Red Sox and Yankee Territory.
Knowing this opens up more options and my Relief overhaul and SP (Perez and Garland). The Relief i wanted this trade done, Sign Biemel, Cordero, Eddie Guardado and keep sanchez and Stokes. Also sign a long man. That can al be had for about 35-40 million from the information that we have now. That would still be without Moving Delgado or Castillo. Those players could easily be moved, maybe not Castillo, to fill one of the SP or RP positions. Castillo for a bag of dirt would work for me. That would also still leave some payroll room for an additional bat for 10-14 million, and still be under the luxury tax number, which we all know the wilpons would never approve going over, and nor should they.