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Yesterday, the Los Angeles Times reported the 
Angels could offer CC Sabathia a six-year, $140 million deal, much like the Yankees offered.
According to Jon Heyman, at SI.com, “If the Angels can steal Sabathia, that may change the entire free-agent landscape.”
…the buzz around baseball suggests the Angels and Mark Teixeira have reached a bit of an impasse…and if teixeira is seeking a 10–year deal, like has been reported, i can understand why…so, sabathia is waiting for the Angels and Giants to get in the bidding for his services…
…at the very least, he’ll eventually have to weigh a slightly lesser offer from the Angels or Giants, on the West Coast, where he wants to be, against a bigger offer from the Yankees, where it’s pretty clear he does not want to end up, otherwise he would have taken their offer by now…
…once he signs, it will set a ceiling, and players like AJ Burnett, Derek Lowe and other free agent pitchers will begin to sign…
Speaking of which, the Mets are not on Burnett’s six-team wish list, according to MLB.com, however the Braves and Phillies are.
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“Speaking of which, the Mets are not on Burnett’s six-team wish list, according to MLB.com, however the Braves and Phillies are.”
GOOD!!!!
I’m ecstatic Carl Pavano 2 doesn’t want the Mets.
It’s this simple, the Mets are shut-out from CC, Burnett, and Lowe. That’s been crystal clear for weeks.
They should re-sign Perez, sign KROD and trade for Street, and then go ffrom there.
Three pitchers aged, 25, 26, and 27.
And Feliciano is the hold-up here with Street?
Very true. Let Burnett go elsewhere.
Perez, K-rod, and Street would be a great start. I still think they need to sign a #2 starting pitcher…and Lowe looks like the only option.
Lowe may be available, but the Mets are probably going to have to overpay a bit to get him. I think the worst thing that could happen to the Mets CC signing with anyone but the Yankees. If CC signs with the Angels, the Yankkes will shut-out the Mets from signing any other decent SPs.
I agree. I would let all 3 go. Sign Krod.
If Feliciano and his wiffle ball pitching against right handers is holding up that trade Omar has others asking about Heilman. That has to be the only reason why.
I would like Perez and I would also like Garland. Both would command about the same Salary. As i posted on the last update from yesterday, I would also like Eddie Guardado and Biemel. Put Smith in AAA to work on getting out Left Handers. Also sign a guy like Cordero to a Minor league contract and i just saw Mike Maroth will be looking for one also, from what i remember he can throw hard and will be coming off injuries. Can’t hurt. This would put the mets at an estimated additional $40 million. The Supposed budget is at 30. So i don’t know if that is doable.
Solid 1-5 starting(Johan, Pelfrey, Perez, Maine, Garland). Solid Bullpen top to Bottom(K-rod, Street, Biemel, Eddie, Sanchez, Stokes, and a long man)
This also leaves the Mets with Depth in AAA. SP-Neise, Vargas, and possibly Parnell. RP-Smith, Parnell, Kunz(if shows improvement), Cordero, Maroth. Which is key, because injuries will happen.
You are on the right track. Definitely re-sign Perez and I don’t know why the Mets aren’t seriously looking at Beimel already. It’s a pretty good plan you put forth, but it might cost too much for Freddie Coupon.
Trex,
Yeah that is the issue that my plan would run into. I have heard the Mets name all over Beimel. Not sure that means they will sign him.
If it really comes down to a matter of 10 million i would get annoyed as a fan. The only reasonable excuse would be if that pushes the Mets over the Luxury Tax level, which would make that 10 mil something like 35 mil.
The only offensive changes I really want is Murphy starting all season baring injury. Delgado moved and Castillo moved. I don’t really want hudson, Dye, or any other rumored person. I definitely don’t want Milton Bradley who I’ve heard. Carlos Lee would be a much welcomed addition, Murphy can then play first cause Delgado would have to be moved most likely or play 2nd. I don’t want castillo at 2nd for one inning.
Let’s hope the Yanks spend all their money on pitching so the Mets can throw more money at Tex. I’d give him 7/140.
Right cause offense was our most glaring weakness, not the crap bullpen or lack of innings from starters.
I hope CC does sign with the Angels. Then the Yanks will overpay for Burnett, who will spend a significant amount of time on the DL.
The mets should take a flyer on Brad Penny. He’s a low cost, low risk/high reward type of signing. I think they should also look into trading for Bronson Arroyo. He’ll give you 200 innings, keep you in most games and has a bulldog mentality, something the Mets sorely need.
I don’t like his name.
While I’m sure that CC would love to go to the west coast, I don’t think the fact that he’s not yet signed a contract with the Yankees suggests that he obviously doesn’t want to end up there. He is the biggest fish and knows full well the Yankees aren’t going away, so it can benefit him to wait.
I work on contract, and I’m nowhere near the biggest fish in my pond, but I always use the silent tactic with my employer and it has always made them up the offer. And I’m happy right where I am.
Hey guys i got a suggestion? Dont rip me apart its just a SUGGESTION!!
How bout Andy Pettite?
I actually said the same thing on here the other day … no one ripped me apart for it. I was just ignored altogether. haha
I think Pettite is a good option for the Mets being he’s a lefty … if he’s willing to play for the Mets.
no past prime Yankees need apply
I would rather have Pettite on my team than Lowe. Santana Pelf Pettite is better IMO that Santana Pelf Lowe
Some 2008 stats:
Pettitt: 204 IP, 4.54 ERA ,158 K, 55 BB, 14-14, 36 Years old
Lowe: 211 IP, 3.24 ERA, 147 K, 45 BB, 14-11, 35 Years old
Pretty similar numbers. Their career ERA’s are similar (Lowe with the slight edge) as well, but Pettitte hasn’t had an ERA under 4 over the last 3 seasons. And he’s a year older than Lowe.
My vote is for Lowe.
I meant pretty similar number other than ERA…obviously with Lowe over a full run better…
Look at his 3 years with houston and you would change your mind. Take those numbers you just showed and adjust them to the NL. Pettite i think is the better pitcher. His numbers from his days in houston show it
I don’t think it is a discussion between Lowe or Pettite. I think it’s more about being able to add a left handed pitcher to the rotation, if Ollie doesn’t come back.
In ‘06 when he was in Houston he posted a 4.20 ERA. And a 3.90 in ‘04 (only 83 IP) Now I can see he had a 2.39 in ‘05, but that will be 4 years ago when he was 32-33 years old. Also it was a career best which is unlikely to be repeated.
He’s likely to remain a ~4 ERA guy with ~200 IP. I think Lowe can be better than that in ERA by at least half a run.
That’s a fine point mikey. Even so I think it’s better to get the marginally better player who’s right handed. I’d be more confident with Lowe taking the hill than Pettitte in most cases.
There is a very good chance the Mets don’t sign Lowe. If that is the case, would you take Andy Pettite? I think the answer should be yes.
And I’ll agree with that. The post I was commenting on was NY718 when he said he’d rather have Pettitte over Lowe. If I have my choice, I take Lowe.
Oh yeah definitely MetsLv31. I’d rather have Lowe too … we posted at the same time.
And just to come at it from a psychological point of view, I don’t think Pettitte would ever be accepted by the fans as a Met. Face it, the guy is a Yankee. When you hear his name, you think of the Yankees. It’d be like signing Jeter to play 2B (not that Jeter moves positions for vastly superior players…but lets pretend).
Pettitte sounds like a good idea on paper, but I doubt it ever even gets close.
I see your point but that depends on how he pitches. The Mets fans accepted El Duque just fine when he was on the field and winning games.
Psychologically speaking, I’d think it would be more Pettite himself that would have a hard time accepting the Mets.
If the Angels sign CC and they are really interested in Delgado then this could work out well for the Mets. Send Delgado to Anaheim, move Daniel Murphy to 1B and trade for Carlos Lee to play LF.
or sign TEX!!!!!!
What would we get in return? We can’t just give up Delgado for nothing, Our lineup would be terrible
Replacing delgado in the lineup with Carlos Lee makes the lineup better.
Ideally we could get someone like howie kendrick back in the deal with anaheim, but given his age and salaries of both players, the angels would probably want something else too.
But what will it take to get Carlos Lee. The man is a Beast. They aren’t just going to hand him over to the Mets.
No one is saying that we are going to get him for nothing, but I think we have the prospects to get him. Plus his trade value is probably a little less than you think because of his contract. Lee would be the Mets’ best hitter so you would have to be willing to give up significant talent to get him (an Fmart/Niese package for example).
Kendrick is more injury prone than an 80 year old lady with parkinsons and a hip replacement
I think the Angels would just go with Morales at 1b if they don’t get Tex.
get street!! why is feliciano the hold up?? are you f……. kidding me???? omar?? tu ma….a madre, feliciano!!!!!!
anyhow, please get ollie and SHEETS!!!
Here’s a suggestion:
If the Angels sign Sabathia – we could trade Delgado over there, possibly with a prospect, for a starting pitcher like Ervin Santana (or anyone else, really). They really need some offense if they don’t pick up Tex, we really need some pitching. If we did that, it would free us up to take a look at Adam Dunn, Raul Ibanez, Pat Burrell, Tex, or a combination of those players. It looks like position players will be cheaper than starting pitchers this offseason, so why not deal an old one with value to sign a young one?
Dye doesn’t want to play here. Burnett doesn’t want to play here.
And I don’t case, ’cause Johan wanted to play here!
“Dye doesn’t want to play here. Burnett doesn’t want to play here.
GOOD!! that shows they can’t handle the pressure of new york and most likely will fold under pressure we don’t need any more of those players.. i like honesty..
never thought of Andy pettite…it’s not a bad idea, to bring him in on a one year deal..still a big game pitcher…
but personally, (and ive been saying this all offseason), they gotta reshape the bullpen so who cares if Feli is involved, they should pull the trigger on the street deal. Then sign Joe Biemel or Will Ohman as the 2nd lefty in the pen.
Sign K-Rod
Your pen has immediately changed shape–K-Rod, Street, Biemel/Ohman, Smith, Sanchez, Show, Parnell. —thats 4 new arms
as for Starter help–re-sign ollie, and sign Sheets or Pettite or Trade For Javy Vazquez
Rotation–Johan, Vazquez/Sheets/ Pettite, Maine, Pelfrey, Ollie
Trade Delgado for whatever you can get, sign Texiera
Lineup–Reyes, Church, Beltran, Texiera, Wright, Murphy, CATCHER, Castillo
one thing however, what’s the rule again, how many type a FA’s can you sign? Because sheets, tex, pettite are all typa A FA’s…i think u can sign 3, but if u can only sign two, then trade for vazquez or sign Randy Johnson for one year…he’ll play hard, wants that 300 wins
Are we all forgetting that Pettitte is on the juice?
As met fans we should pray Sabathia signs with the yankees. Otherwise, they will sign both Lowe and Burnett, and maybe even a guy like Garland too. Leaving us high and dry. They’re just more willing to go more money and more years than the mets are. For better or for worse
I see a lot of people saying we need a number 2 starter. In my book, we already have one in pelfry. He pitched 200 innings last year, had 13 wins and a 3.72 era annnnd only gave up 12 homeruns. And you have to remember that 3.72 era, which is still good, is inflated because of his terrible start. We have a 24 year old #2 starter already, the question is whether he improves even more and we have two aces. If thats the case, then a Jon Garland would make a lot of sense. And a Ben Sheets incentive juiced contract would be teriffic
I don’t think it matters if we say we need a #2 or #5. What matters is that the pitcher will be consistent and healthy.
A huge problem last year was that we had Pelf go from a #6 to a #4 because we had to replace Duque and Pedro.
Hopefully, this year, we will have 5 starters who can go out there and pitch 200 innings.
Guys come on. I know its a risk but lets go for the gusto here. Sign Ben Sheets and Garland. If ben sheets breaks down Garland will crunch up a lot of innings. Our goal should be to win the world series, and Sheets does that. If sheets gets hurt I could live with that because the organization wanted to make impact. He can’t cost that much, no one is talking about him.
+10
i agree..i mean i think he missed 4 or 5 starts last year? I’d be willing to deal with a few missed starts if he puts up the numbers he’s capable of putting up. Plus like everyone has said, Niese could fill in for spot starts if need be.
Santana
Sheets
Pelf
Maine
Garland?
Sounds decent enough to me and not ridiculously expensive
I hope he goes to the angels..i live in socal so i want to see him pitch haha..plus the yanks are gay. thats right…gay gay gay