amBuzz: Peavy, Griffey, Untouchables, Byrnes

December 1, 2008 at 10:37 am · 51 comments

by Matthew Cerrone

The Cubs may be working with the Orioles in an effort to acquire RHP Jake Peavy from the Padres, reports FoxSports.com.

According to the Baltimore Sun, the Cubs could send Felix Pie to the O’s, who would send Garrett Olson to San Diego.

The Red Sox have a three-year deal in place with Japanese RHP Junichi Tazawa, according to the Boston Globe.

According to Jim Street of MLB.com, citing the player’s agent, nine teams have expressed interest in free-agent OF Ken Griffey Jr, who would be willing to sign a one-year contract with incentives, depending on the team.

The Pirates consider C Ryan Doumit, OF Nate McLouth, LHP Paul Maholm and RHP Matt Capps as ‘untouchable,’ writes Dejan Kovacevic in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

According to Tim Kurkjian at ESPN.com, the D’Backs would be happy to trade OF Eric Byrnes, “but that is highly unlikely.”

Lastly, in a post to his blog for MASN, O’s reporter Rich Kubatko explains, “The Orioles still haven’t decided what to do with pitcher Daniel Cabrera, but they have until Dec. 12 to figure it out.”

{ 51 comments }

therealsince86 December 1, 2008 at 10:40 am

First, I would take Gri ffey Jr on a 1 year deal to play LF. Yes it makes us LH but that’s way overblown. Especially if we can get a RH catcher.

Second, I would take Cabrerra too if it’s for nothing. Bring him in and let him compete for the #5 spot with Niese. If not you have lost nothing really.

kingman 26 December 1, 2008 at 10:47 am

Gri ffey and Tatis would be a great platoon in left, and we could let Gri ffey rest enough to keep him healthy (hopefully.)

And thanks for mentioning that the lefty thing is was overblown—GMs never mention this, just people on blog comment pages!

Steviefan84 December 1, 2008 at 10:52 am

That’s an interesting idea except for one thing … Where is Daniel Murphy going to play? His training for 2nd base was cut short and I don’t think the Mets want Muphy to embarras-s himself out there at 2nd.

Gina December 1, 2008 at 10:56 am

AAA at 2nd base?

therealsince86 December 1, 2008 at 11:08 am

On the bench as a utility man.

kidfromqueens December 1, 2008 at 11:10 am

Unless we need to have him up due to injuries, offseason moves that leave us very thin at certain positions, etc., really the best thing for Murphy and the Mets long-term is to have him play 2B in Buffalo. The fact of the matter is that he’s a long shot to ever be an above average offensive corner IF or corner OF- he looks like he will probably be able to handle those positions competently offensively, but not likely among the top 10-15 in baseball. He does, though, have the chance to be an above-average 2B if he can prove himself to be a competent fielder there at the AAA and MLB level. I’d rather not force him into a situation where he sees a lot of the bench, only favorable hitting situations, and time in the field at positions he’s unlikely to carve out a permanent niche for himself in. He’s much better off starting at 2B everyday in AAA for at least most of the season if possible.

Gina December 1, 2008 at 11:16 am

Agreed for the most part. The only thing I think might make a difference is if he can develop into an above average defender in right field and F-mart, or some other long-term left field player, can develop into a way above average offensive player. Then I think we can afford to carry his bat in the outfield, considering we get plus offensive from ss and cf.

Of course that’s as-suming we find some sort of long-term offensive replacement for Delgado, which seems pretty unlikely at this point, and that Beltran is going to be able to sustain his level of play for a while. There doesn’t seem to be a lot of long-term thought going on in our front office and it really annoys me but that’s a whole other issue. Otherwise I think he needs to be either at second in AAA or they need to decide his future role is a long-term 4th outfielder/corner infielder bench player.

Gina December 1, 2008 at 11:18 am

Basically I think he can be a younger version of ryan church, except maybe an even better bat, which you can afford to have if you’re getting plus offense from other positions. But you can’t really have two every day outfielders who hit like that. Or an every day corner infielder if his defense is below average.

therealsince86 December 1, 2008 at 11:28 am

There is nothing wrong with getting league average from 2 cheap guys in the OF.

therealsince86 December 1, 2008 at 11:30 am

I mean if you went out and got a guy like Tex because you did not have to spend big money on LF and RF.
Reyes, Murphy/Church, Wright, Tex, Beltran, Murphy/Church, Schnieder/Castro/, Castillo is not a terrible offensive lineup.

Gina December 1, 2008 at 11:31 am

It is if you’re not replacing that outfield majorly somewhere else, or without one of them being some sort of insane defensive player, see the Indians. What really good teams have had two league average offensive players the last few years. Maybe the Cardinals in 06, but Albert Pujols is worth like 11 league average players by himself so it’s okay.

therealsince86 December 1, 2008 at 11:40 am

Um the Phillies at 3B, C and RF?

therealsince86 December 1, 2008 at 11:40 am

Not to mention that Church is an incredible RF.

Gina December 1, 2008 at 11:41 am

Getting a guy like Tex would make it less of a problem but it still would be a small issue, especially if we’re carrying bats like Castillo and Schneider’s still, especially since we don’t completely know what to expect from Church next year.

Gina December 1, 2008 at 11:45 am

The phillies also got way way way above average offense, and overall play, from 2nd base, and I think above average play from SS, I’d have to look it up, and cf. Not to mention they used platoons most of the year in the outfield so they weren’t getting average play really from rf, or 3rd base I think. Plus I believe they were all for the most part above average defenders.

therealsince86 December 1, 2008 at 11:48 am

Burrell nor the junk in RF were above average defenders nor was Howard.
You don’t need a team full of superstars. We get above average at SS, 3B and CF. Not to mention that basically without a LF or 2B we still scored more runs than almost every team in the NL.

Gina December 1, 2008 at 11:49 am

Church isn’t a bad right fielder but incredible seems sort of pushing it. I can think of a decent amount of better overall players in rf.

therealsince86 December 1, 2008 at 11:49 am

Last year I am also as suming we got above league average at 1B as well.

therealsince86 December 1, 2008 at 11:51 am

Church is very underrated on defense in RF. Period. You can watch him play and know that.
There is nothing wrong with having an OF that produces
.280 70 HR 250 RBI.

Gina December 1, 2008 at 11:53 am

Werth is an above average defender, and Jenkins was about as good as Church was. And Howard I think was around average, not terrible at least. Plus because of the dimensions of their park their outfielders really don’t have to cover as much range.

therealsince86 December 1, 2008 at 11:55 am

So now you think that Jenkins was as good as Church defensively? I usually agree with most of the things you say Gina. But now it looks like you are stretching things just to prove a point.

Gina December 1, 2008 at 11:57 am

Church, or at least pre-concussion Church, is underrated on defense but there are still better all around players. And better defenders. And there’s nothing wrong with getting those numbers, although I think you may have had a typo there, if you’re replacing the offense somewhere else. The question is where are we replacing it at, obviously not 2b, or C, or lf if we put Murphy there. As of right now we’re getting plus offense from Beltran but he’s also going to be turning 32 early next season and it wouldn’t make any sense to expect him to be able to produce the way he does. Plus there’s the fact we currently have no long-term answer at first which is a position you usually get big time offense from. With the way our team looks and the question marks we have right now the idea of a long-term outfield of Church and Murphy isn’t too promising.

therealsince86 December 1, 2008 at 12:01 pm

As suming that Beltran gives you
.280 30-35 100
Murphy
.280 15-20 80

Church
.280 15-20 80
Thats
.280 60-75 HR and 260 RBI.

Gina December 1, 2008 at 12:01 pm

I think this year Jenkins was because I don’t think Church was as good as he usually is defensively post concussion.

therealsince86 December 1, 2008 at 12:07 pm

Which are similar if not below the numbers the Phillies or Rays had in the OF last year.

therealsince86 December 1, 2008 at 12:07 pm

He made some unbelievable plays after the concussion. Just the last week alone he made some game saving plays.

metsrule77 December 1, 2008 at 10:56 am

If the Mets could get Cabrera, i’d rather consider trying to make him a RP. the Mets need a fire baller and someone who can come in and get k’s. Maybe only having to pitch one inning would help him mentally and could become a dominant 8th inning guy. The mets have to many soft throwers in the bullpen. If the Mets resign Perez, they do not need 2 guys in the rotation that are uncertainties day in and day out!

therealsince86 December 1, 2008 at 11:09 am

I would not think the Mets are looking to resign Perez right now.

Gina December 1, 2008 at 11:23 am

I would hope it’s not one of their top priorities but I’m starting to think it’s more likely he’ll end up back here. Which I think would be a terrible decision because I think you can get the same or better type of pitcher at a lower cost and get the picks back for Ollie.

therealsince86 December 1, 2008 at 11:27 am

Exactly. Ollie is better than Garland but not 2 picks and 4 million a year better. I would stay away from both and try and get Sheets first then maybe Johnson or Wolf. Either way I would be looking to trade for Vasquez and or Sonnanstine.

throatneedle December 1, 2008 at 10:47 am

its good to see that the pirates deem mclouth ‘untouchable’. i was getting tired of hearing mike fatcessa mentioning him and sabathia on his yankee wishlist

Gina December 1, 2008 at 10:56 am

Do you think that will stop him?

HitTheSinkerBall December 1, 2008 at 10:56 am

lol it will be even more funny if the Angles wind up with CC and the Yanks have to give AJ some big contract and then after a few starts he gets hurt lol. Be nice to see what fat head has to say after that.

shea_guevara December 1, 2008 at 11:10 am

If history teaches us anything, no matter what happens this upcoming season, Francesa will say he saw it coming.

CitizenSnips December 1, 2008 at 11:15 am

It would’ve been funny to see them get McLouth and then realize that he’s not a good fielder.

Wally Backman December 1, 2008 at 11:12 am

The Yankees need to make a call on Pettitte, whether to offer him arbitration or not. I bet they don’t. Would Pettitte pitch for the Mets, would the Mets want him, would Mets fans want him?

NYMETSFAN718 December 1, 2008 at 11:15 am

I would not mind Pettite in a Mets uniform in 09.

CaseStreet December 1, 2008 at 11:20 am

I wouldn’t want him. There’ll be future Roger Clemens issues, high ERA and WHIP, and he’s a Yankee. Nope, can’t do it.

atlantasnumber1metsfan December 1, 2008 at 11:36 am

I thought we had enough of former yankees with Willie…

therealsince86 December 1, 2008 at 11:39 am

What a joke. I don’t care where the guy played last or most. If he fits the team get him. Petitte would be fine for a cheap #5. If he can’t be cheap or a #5 then he does not fit.

CaseStreet December 1, 2008 at 12:08 pm

Fine, but I’m not cheering for him and you can’t make me.

therealsince86 December 1, 2008 at 11:37 am

Just reported on the Nypost hardball that the Mets would like to sign 1 starter and go with Niese as the #5. What a terrible idea. Niese is not ready and Maine who knows what we will get. That one starter better be a true #2 if you are going to do that. I would much rather have Vasquez and Marquis on short term deals for now until we figure out what we have in Niese and for that matter Maine.

shea_guevara December 1, 2008 at 11:46 am

Or, maybe they’re saying that so they don’t look so desperate to agents.

therealsince86 December 1, 2008 at 11:53 am

Always possible. But based on previous transgressions by Omar I would think the latter. Omar has given us junk for the #5 for years and then we have had to go to the Lima well way too many times.

stickguy December 1, 2008 at 12:15 pm

well, I think there is a fair amount of smoke blowing going on.

But, keep in mind that the 5th starter is one place teams can try to save money. And we know the Mets do have a budget!

I can support looking to break in a young guy as the #5. Really, it is the only way you will ever sustain a solid, cost effective rotation. basically what happened with Pelfrey last year.

Just don’t expect it to neccesarily be Neise. Right now, Vargas might be a better option (based on stuff and experience) if the fall ball results were legit.

So I guess don’t be too surprised to see a competition in ST for the #5, but if so, hopefully Omar brings in some more contestants.

And most importantly, nails down a solid, dependable #4 guy. If you as-sume Maine to be ready and healthy (and by now, I’m sure the Mets are well informed on how he looks!), adding another solid rotation guy gives you a solid 1-4, so you can finagle with the #5 a bit.

And, of course, spend the money saved on Teix or something else good!

Now, whos the guy to add? Sheets I love, but with him you better get an established #5. Is Vazquez good enough? Wolf? Yuck on Garland. of course CC is!

Gina December 1, 2008 at 12:19 pm

Ugh.

That’s really all I have to say. If we really go into next season with Niese as our number best option at number 5 we’re in big trouble. If nothing else Imagine if anyone else on the staff gets hurt. If thats his plan then I hope they plan on dropping large amounts of money into something else, like 1b preferably. Otherwise I can’t see the point of it.

Elastic December 1, 2008 at 12:29 pm

If Griffey is offered arby, he’s not worth the two draft picks lost.

therealsince86 December 1, 2008 at 12:58 pm

I don’t think he is a type A is he?

therealsince86 December 1, 2008 at 12:59 pm

Besides WAY too risky for him to be offered arbitration. You know he would take it and you never get a pay decrease in arbitration.

Elastic December 1, 2008 at 12:31 pm

I’d trade for Byrnes instead of signing Griffey.

BBmetsfreak36 December 1, 2008 at 6:41 pm

GET ME BRYNES!…..

I’m sorry i know myself that when people use caps it gets your attention, but in the long run just makes me look stupid and completly inadequate as someone who posts on this blog. Therefore, I apologize in my failed attempt to voice my opinion on how strong I feel about the Mets’ situation on Left Feild and how I believe Byrnes can solve that problem.

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