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As expected, the Mets offered salary arbitration to Oliver Perez.
However, they did not offer arbitration to Luis Ayala and Moises Alou.
…as i said this morning, perez did not accept arbitration for one season, because he will certainly sign a multi-year deal, be it with the Mets or with another team…however, by offering it, if he signs with another team, the Mets will now receive two compensatory draft picks…
Teams can continue to negotiate with their own free agents, regardless of whether the player accepts arbitration.
In a post to his blog for the Daily News, Adam Rubin explains why tonight’s deadline only affected Perez, Ayala and Alou, and not Pedro Martinez, Damion Easley and others.
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LOL, Did NOT offer arbitration to…..
Really? Damn…I was hoping they’d get the compensatory DVD set for Trot Nixon.
this is the first 10:00pm post in the offseason. man, I miss the games, cant way until april.
BTW, sign ollie for not more than 4 years/50
I would just as sooned to see him walk and get the 2 picks. He’s not worth the money.
I received your e-mail, and have responded.
In other news.
: Grudzielanek says he’s almost certain to decline the Royals’ offer. Instead of the maximum salary, he wants to play for a contender. He feels he can play for at least two more seasons. Five or six clubs have already expressed interest.
There is our backup IF for next season.
He’s a former Expo, what’s not for Omar to like?
not a bad idea for the easily role since he has proven he simply cannot make it through a full season.
No able espnanol?
u mean habla
mark loretta is another good option….
Agreed. Either or is fine by me.
For defensive versatility I’d choose Loretta over Grudzy.
Why because he has played 3B. That’s the only advantage he has.
He’s played all 4 IF positions, Grudzy only MIF. Loretta’s versatility equals roster flexibility IMO.
True enough. Again, I would take either.
Not that big a deal if he doesn’t play 1B and 3B. With the roster as is, there are other guys that can play those positions (evans, Murphy, Tatis). Besides, when was the last time they really needed a BU 3B?
I stand corrected, however you guys are forgetting my new pick of the week Felipe Lopez.
Guys the Cubs not offering Wood arbitration makes things a little more interesting. To me it takes Fuentes off the table. Why give up a prospect for Fuentes when you could get Wood for free?
What about a 2 year deal to Wood and then bring in a LHRP to go with him?
Depends on who the LHRP is. Pending other acquisitions, the LHRP has to be able to close too for when Wood eventually goes flaccid.
Well here’s a thought
Wood
Everyday Eddie
Street
Stokes
Smith
Feliciano/Show
Sanchez?
I loves me some everyday Eddie. I was just praying you wouldn’t say “Beimel” and you answered my prayers!
No, I love the idea of bringing in Everyday Eddie no matter what course we take in the pen. He has closer experience and is not just a loogy. He did very well with the Rangers last year. Not to mention that he would be cheap and short term contract.
Due to the way things have unfolded for the Mets for the last few seasons, I have developed an automatic and not completely rational fear of any player who is over the age of 30 and/or has ever been on the DL. Because it is not rational, certain players are exceptions to this for no particular reason, and Eddie Guardado is one of them. Plus all the “Los Mets” freaks will go off not realizing he’s from Stockton California and it would be fun to watch them swing and miss.
LOL, that’s enough of a reason right there.
But regardless the guy just knows how to pitch. He would be a big time low risk addition to the team. My fear is him going to Philly or something instead. He could most likely close in Florida or Washington.
I liked Wood before, even more now. ALthough this means his $$ price effectively probably went up, since you are “buying back” your 1st round pick.
Wht the heck, get wood, then sign Cruz too. You get your closer, plus a good set up guy/closer in waiting type, for 1 type A signing.
trade for street and get Guardado.
bingo. 3 closers, and a guy with the stuff to do it.
What happens if we sign two type A free agents, and someone else signs Perez. Do we keep the 1st round pick we get from Perez?
Based on what I have read, yes uh I think. Those are questions where it gets confusing. Also depends on how high that pick is too I think?
I think we would lose our 1st and 2nd round picks but keep the other team’s 1st in that case…
yup. they swap picks. almost like a football trade!
once again unless K-Rod is injured, theres is no reason to sign Fuentes or Wood or give up prosepcts for another closer.
To turn down K-Rod b/c of an extra year or 2 and an extra 4 million per is ridiculous considering he’s 10 times better than any other closer they could possibly get
I WOOD (LOL) not say he is 10 times better but cleary better yes. Still Wood on a 2/20 deal is tempting if Krod demands 4 years.
k-rod on a 5 year deal worth 75 mil is much better than Fuentes or Wood even at a discount price and we all know Omar will get that number down to around 4-50
this nonense about years is getting out of hand. He’s a 26 year old reliever with great numbers, a WS ring, plenty of postseason experience and loves to pitch under pressure.
the same can’t be said about any other option for CP
I’m pro K-Rod but I like that the Mets have so many options, leverage seems to favor them. I am wary of Rodriguez’s declining peripheral numbers as they have been pointed out to me strongly and often, unfortunately the only way to find out how relevant they are is by rolling the dice. All contracts pose some risk and I’d rather risk something on the 26 year old guy who has never lost his job and, to the best of my knowledge, has never been on the DL.
Guys Dunn was officially not offered arbitration. Someone tell me why he does not make perfect sense for the Mets. Play him in LF this season and 1B next year or 1B this year and trade Delgado.
I like the guys you are suggesting for other reasons, but also for their nicknames. With “Everday” Eddie Guardado and Adam “Big Donkey” Dunn on the squad can a return of Banner Day be far behind?
LOL.
well Dunn has an average below .250, strikes out way too much and plays poor defense.
I’d love to have him in LF next season but not at the cost of other needs like a #2 SP, CP, setup man.
and remember Dunn’s power numbers will inevitably drop in a mets uniform. don’t expect him to get 40 HR here
Those are poor arguements as
1) Yes his average is low but his OBP and OPS are high thus rendering BA useless.
2) He does K a lot but does not kill rallys and very rarely hits into DP’s.
3) He is not great on Defense but neither are Ibanez, Manny or Murphy.
4) Did Delgado’s pwere numbers drop dramatically in a Mets uniform? Dunn will hit HR out of any stadium in the MLB. He does not show a power drop off away from Home. Besides we have no idea how Citi will play.
Not going to get into the polar debate of Dunn. Again, I would rather have him than Manny, Ibanez or Dye because of other cost to the team in cash or prospects.
batting average is not a useless stat. just b/c he hits the ball far when he hits hits it doesnt make up for the fact that doesnt hit the ball very often
Ok, while not completely useless it fails in comparrison to OBP and OPS.
He makes less outs than most of the players in baseball. How can that be bad regardless of BA?
i love all the people who say adam dunn is no good bc of his average. all of those people would take ryan howard on the mets in a heart beat despite his low batting average. I am all for signing dunn and he could probably be had for fairly cheap relatively speaking of course. bat him 6th play him in LF in 09 and then we have some flexibility with LF and 1B which could be good if we need to promote martinez or we cant find a suitable replacement for delgado.
i would never want ryan howard.and i think many would agree with me. He does not get on base like Adam Dunn,He strikes out more then anybody in baseball ,(he holds the record)Yea he is clutch ,but wack.
Yes he hits .247 career but he gets on base .381, that’s nothing to sneeze at. I think we’ll have to wait and see on the power, none of us know how Citi (or whatever it will be called) Field is going to play yet. I can’t remember where, but I’ve seen stats that suggest that most of his homeruns were so majestic that they would’ve gone out of most parks, not just that bandbox in Cincy. He seldom hits wall scrapers.
He’s yet another lefty and unless Murphy’s playing second. He (murphy) is a bench/utility player.
the Mets Line up(w/ murph @ 2nd)
Reyes (S)
Beltran(S)
Delgado(L)
Wright(R)
Dunn(L)
Murphy(L)
Church(L)
Schneider(L)
Pitcher
Are you starting to see why the mets need another righty 5 outa 8 batters are Lefties leaving Wright the only right handed hitter.
The Mets need either another righty or a switch hitter who can hit for power from both sides.
However as far as pitching goes the mets need a lefty with neise in the rotation Santana is the only lefty.
Ummm no. Why would you stack the lineup that way. Not to mention the fact that Murphy is not going to play 2B anyway.
This LR thing is so over blown. Again, how many times has a team lost because they had too many LH hitters or have you heard a manager say “Man we would like to have Manny but he’s RH” LOL
Reyes, Church, Wright, Delgado, Beltran, Dunn, Schnieder/Casto, Castillo is
S, L, R, L, S, L, L/R, S.
well what happens when the lefty specialist comes in late in the game…its 1-2-3 inning just like last season…
I’m not sure who you’d rather have than Dunn, but the current Met likely to be batting against that LH specialist instead of Dunn would be Tatis, and Dunn has a better career OBP and SLG vs. lefties than Tatis does.
Umm, what I still don’t get is how a LOOGY matters when your lineup is
S, L, R, L, S, L, L/R, S.
Loogy comes in to face Beltran? NO. Dunn most likely but he still gets on base. Then you sub for Schnieder if need be.
Sign Dunn 3/33. See if he will take 10 million the first year sobyou have an extra million or 2 to play with. Trade church and a prospect to Tampa for Jackson or sonnanstine. Trade hielman,show and cash for street. Sign krod and use the left over money for a starter. Maybe a guy like johnson or penny. I’m even open to bringing pedro back as a fifth starter for the right price. I like the trade a guy from the post made up. He had show and marlon Anderson to the cubs for marquis. He’s not the greatest in the world but he’s a new York guy in a contract year as your 5th starter only making 5 million on the year. Santana, Maine, pelf,sonnanstine and marquis. That’s not a bad rotation. Then you have a few million left over to sign a guy like juan Rivera. You keep delgado one more year then you switch dunn to first in 2010 and make a push for holiday for left field.
He’s yet another lefty and unless Murphy’s playing second. He (murphy) is a bench/utility player.
the Mets Line up(w/ murph @ 2nd)
Reyes (S)
Beltran(S)
Delgado(L)
Wright(R)
Dunn(L)
Murphy(L)
Church(L)
Schneider(L)
Pitcher
Are you starting to see why the mets need another righty 5 outa 8 batters are Lefties leaving Wright the only right handed hitter.
The Mets need either another righty or a switch hitter who can hit for power from both sides.
However as far as pitching goes the mets need a lefty with neise in the rotation Santana is the only lefty.
See response to your 1st post.
And same goes for the rotation. You take the best player available. Plenty of teams have won with 4/5 starters being RH.
that’s an ugly lineup with so many LHH. we should add a righty to make it look cute
first of all if that were the starting 8 the lineup would be totally different than what was posted. not that that lineup will ever make it on the field but ill just give you the common sense lineup for those 8
reyes S, church L, wright R, delgado L, beltran S, Dunn L, murphy L, schneider L. you could change church and murph it doesnt matter. either way its alot more balanced and schneider isnt an everyday catcher so the lineup wouldnt always have 3 lefties in a row at the bottom.
Does not matter as Castillo would be at 2B anyway.
Pelfrey I took your post to be sarcastic so in case that’s correct please accept my LOL.
Pssst, Santana: GMs don’t care if a guy bats lefty—they try to get the best players available…keep it a secret, OK??
the mets arent getting Dunn though so it doesnt matter anyway.
Why let logic get in the way of a good debate? :)
My rank of choices for LF:
Rivera
Dunn
Manny
Burrell
Bradley
Ibanez
Abooboo
Oh my friend, I think Ibanez should be higher….
Manny
Ibanez
Dunn
Rivera
Abrey-boo
Bradley
Burrell
Is that a list of who will get paid the most? jk
How about:
Riviera
Donkey Dunn
Hollywood Manny
Milton Bradley
Ja-Rule Ibanez
Pat da Bat
Abrey-boo
Note: I’m taking cost into consideration not necessarily who will give the most offensive production.
LOL! Ok, how about sticking Ja-Rule between Rivera and the Donkey? I think Ja may be the best choice when combining cost, results, and everything else…
You guys forgot about Jose Guillen.
That’s a hole different ball game.
And let us pray that the Mets forget Guillen too….
whole
Also, why not offer Ayala Arbitration?
I don’t know. I think he’d be fine outside of the closer role. I hope it’s not because they’re “afraid he might accept.” He “only” made 1.7 mil last year, hardly a budget buster.
I can’t believe the Phillies didn’t offer arbitration to Moyer and Burrell. What morons! There’s no way Burrell would accept when he’s looking at signing a 3 year deal elsewhere. And if Moyer accepts, they only have to pay him 5.5 mil (I think) for the year, which is a great price considering how he pitched last year.
yeah i mean moyer was probably their most consistant pitcher all of last year
they are cheap. And probably afraid that Burrell might accept if he doesn’t get a decent deal elsewhere. Not sure why Moyer though. Probably cause they figure he will get more through arb then if they just make a deal. And they are cheap.
BURRELL LUCKED OUT LAST SEASON – REMEMBER WHEN HE WAS PERSONNA NON GRATA with the philly fans PRE 08 ( sorry caps)
btw i’m not surprised we offered ollie arbitration (obviously) i’m just surprised we didn’t even make an attempt to try to sign him in that 10 day window after the ws
guys here are the type a f.a’s that werent offered arby
Bobby Abreu
Joe Beimel
Pat Burrell
Adam Dunn
Braden Looper
Jamie Moyer
Randy Wolf
Kerry Wood
id take a chance on bemiel wolf and dunn too be honest
grab wolf. just costing $$, and he would be very useful.
I do like Wood too. Just make sure to have 1-2 other power arms goomed to be a closer in waiting (cruz, even parnell, since I think that is his future).
teach parnell that 2nd out pitch that the best closers have (slider, splitter, soemthing) and let him rip!
whats wrong with K-Rod. is he too good or something?
No just pondering.
If they sign Krod for reasonable demands then I am all for it. But this Wood thing does give us options if we get left out to dry some how with Krod.
I too now am very intrigued by Wood and Dunn as they would not cost us picks. If we could bring in Wood, Dunn, Wolf, Guardado and trade for Vasquez to replace Perez and gain 2 picks from all of it that would be great.
I think the mets have to avoid guys like wood and wolf. Both are talented guys but they are both injury prone. After what we just went through with pedro and Wagner I would stay as far away as I could from those guys.
I still do not understand the whole value of picks. Yes the mets have a shoddy farm system. Yes there is a youth movement in baseball. Yes there have been some recent young players make an impact right away – but seriously how many of those picks actually make it to the bigs.
For draft picks to mean anything at all the mets need to start forgetting about the slotting system. They need to start drafting some high cieling players.
Who is the last draft pick that the mets had that did anything? Wright and Reyes? How long ago was that? 8+ years?
Think of all the hot prospects mets fans have been excited about? What happened to Milledge? What happened to ‘instert failed prospect here’
Yes we can trade them for aging superstars – but I would rather find the right value free agents regardless of draft picks.