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Outfield: Ibanez, Manny, Dye and Dunn
By Matthew Cerrone - Dec 1, 2008 1:33 pm

The Mets, Cubs and Phillies each contacted OF Raul Ibanez last week, according to the New Tribune in Seattle.

Last week, Omar Minaya confirmed that his team has interest in Ibanez, wrote the Daily News.

“We’ve heard very good reports about him, not only as a player, but as a person,” Minaya told the Daily News.

In a Sunday round-up for Baseball Prospectus, John Perrotto believes the Mets could soon become suitors for free-agent OF Manny Ramirez.

Speaking of Ramirez, in a post to ESPN.com, Peter Gammons writes:

“Ramirez is in better shape now than he was when he signed with the Red Sox… ‘The work Manny did for his core and his agility completely changed him,’ says former North Carolina coach Mike Roberts, who oversees much of the baseball-related operations for API.  ‘It is amazing what he’s done for his body.’”

Speaking of outfielders, last week, WCKY in Cincinnati reported the White Sox requested RHP Homer Bailey and a second prospect from the Reds in a deal for Jermaine Dye.

Similarly, according to the Boston Globe, the White Sox would want more than just Andy Sonnanstine or Edwin Jackson from the Rays in exchange for Dye.

he’s the perfect solution for the Mets, in that he has power, he’s a respected player, he’s won, he has only one year guaranteed on his current deal, and he’s a righty…but, i’m not yet sure he’s worth a collection of pitching prospects

Lastly, also regarding outfielders, the market for Adam Dunn is not what Dunn had hoped it would be, according to Jon Heyman at SI.com.

In a report for FoxSports.com, Ken Rosenthal wonders if the D’Backs will offer arbitration to Dunn, and if will he accept it.

the more his price drops, the more i am intrigued by dunn, who is such a divisive figure for online baseball fans…people either love dunn, or they think he’s terribly overrated…i like him…especially as a sixth hitter, who will either clobber a home run, keep the line moving or strike out…

…if the D’Backs do not offer him arbitration, meaning he will not cost a new team any compensatory draft picks, it will be interesting to see if more people begin checking in on him

53 Responses to “Outfield: Ibanez, Manny, Dye and Dunn”

  1. therealsince86 says:

    Dunn makes too much sense for this team, thus move on.

    If you could get Dunn and Molina for this offense we would easily have the best offense in the NL.

    Reyes, Church, Wright, Delgado, Beltran, Dunn, Molina, Castillo?

    • CaseStreet says:

      Jose or Benjie?

    • gameball says:

      The market for Adam Dunn is not what Dunn hoped it would be.

      This is obviously because 30 GMs know nothing whatsoever about what constitutes a winning ballclub.

      • oleosmirf says:

        yes b/c you are smarter than those GMs.

        there isn’t really a strong need for guys that bat under .250, strike out 180 times and don’t field well. Although i have to admit, he’d be a solid bat but remember you have to cut down those HR totals if he becomes a met.

  2. dominicanboy08 says:

    GET MANNY!!!!!!OR TEX!!!!!!!

  3. therealsince86 says:

    Good God If the Mets trade Niese and Parnell for an old Dye I might DIE.

  4. cvarano6790 says:

    that lineup has some serious weakness against lefites unless we platoon tatis with dunn or church

    • kingman 26 says:

      Have you ever heard a baseball manager or GM make a comment like this? Ever?

      Only fans mention this. It means zero to the people who put teams together. As Omar said of Ibanez “We’ve heard very good reports about him, not only as a player, but as a person”…this is what is important, not the side he bats from.

      Nothing personal, but it’s annoying to hear folks say and write this constantly. As I have posted, there are loads of examples of champion teams with lots of lefty bats over the last 30 years, and the Mets did fine against lefty pitchers last year (of whom there are very few) and Ibanez hit lefties well last year.

      Can anyone cite a time a GM made or did not make a trade due to the fact someone bats lefty? Or teams which failed in any large respect due to too many lefty batters??

      • MudvilleNine says:

        True. The Yankees of the 70’s built with lefthanded hitting and lefthanded pitching to take advantage of the short right porch. The Red Sox built with righhanded hitting and pitching to take advantage of the monster. A team should build with their home ballpark in mind, not what they might face. George’s worst decision came when he decided to move the leftfield fence in and balance the lineup so they might play better on the road. Took their home advantage away and sent them down in the standings for a long time. The lineup is not out of balance as long as they hit.

    • therealsince86 says:

      Right just like our lineup last year had difficulities against LHP. Oh wait? You mean we hit LHP better than RHP last year? Surley you jest.

      That lineup I suggested is
      S, L, R, L, S, L, R, NB.

  5. cvarano6790 says:

    dye is not woth niese and our focus should be rebulding our pitching staff not destructing it

  6. therealsince86 says:

    If the Mets sign Manny then I would trade Delgado and let Murphy play 1B. That would lessen the cost of Manny. Still don’t like the idea but that’s what I would do.
    If not might as well trade Murphy.

    • dominicanboy08 says:

      why you need to trade delgado? we wont get anything from him, might as well keep him one more year and get the picks. manny-delgado= just a bit better. i rather put murphy at 2B or RF.

      • dominicanboy08 says:

        meant LF

        • therealsince86 says:

          Murphy’s not going to play 2B nor can he play RF.
          Delgado is here for 1 more year and you have to offer him arbitration to get picks. You want to offer him arbitration after 2009? Delgado would be valuable to teams like the Rays, O’s, Jays, etc. because his contract is not bad and is only 1 year.
          I could emagine we could net a guy like Sonnanstine for Delgado and 2-4 million cash. That would allow you the money to go out and get the SP you need and closer.
          WE are NOT going to go out and sign
          Manny 20-255 million
          Lowe 16+ million
          Krod 15 million.
          Sorry.
          But if you trade Delgado then you magically can afford those guys.

        • Elastic says:

          You can get a good young SP or RP or both from an AL team for Delgado.

        • Gina says:

          I doubt that, very much. Any gm that gives up a good young starting pitcher for him should probably be fired.

        • therealsince86 says:

          And any team that gives up good young pitching for Dye is insane as well. Fact is it’s possible. If the Reds would give up Bailey for Dye then why wouldn’t the Rays give up Jackson or Sonnanstine for Delgado?

        • Gina says:

          Well the Reds are crazy in general. They offered up Bailey for Laird as well. And probably because the Rays front office is way way smarter than the Reds front office. Have you heard any other teams than the Reds mentioned as being interested in giving up starting prospects for Dye?

  7. BullpenHelp says:

    Jermaine Dye’s partial no trade clause includes the New York Mets.

    • starz31 says:

      that doesn’t mean anything.

      • BullpenHelp says:

        You’re right… how silly of me. I figured it meant if he didn’t want to go to the Mets he didn’t have to. I forgot that in imaginary land, all players want to play for the Mets.

  8. ksuth says:

    I do not want Dye. I thought we were trying to get younger? If we are going to go after an older OFer it should be Manny.

    Manny > Dye and he won’t cost Neise, Kunz, etc.

  9. Tidewater says:

    I have the utmost respect for Peter Gammons, but that whole “he’s in the best shape of his life” storyline has been played and played and played. Every year we have to read about a dozen guys who have really changed their bodies in the gym… blah blah blah.

    I don’t believe a word of it. And besides, Manny could hit if he were dead.

    • Gina says:

      Lol. I was thinking the same thing, especially since last week we were told Raul Ibanez was in better shape than most 25 year olds, which I don’t doubt just because I imagine the average 25 year old isn’t in professional sports shape, it just really doesn’t mean anything. Tell me if a player is horribly out of shape, that might mean something.

      • alex242 says:

        gina, hi, good point, with that being said we don’t need shape… we need CLUTCH HITTER AND A BULLPEN TO WIN!!! no to ibanez…

      • kingman 26 says:

        Hey Gina—You are going to really like Ibanez, I promise!

        And how bout them surging-towards-50-wins Nets?? Harris might win MVP!

      • gameball says:

        I read that Adam Dunn is in the best shape of his life. He’s been hitting the gym and expects to be able to chase down flyballs that aren’t hit right at him.

    • starz31 says:

      what are you talking about? Mo Vaughan once lost many pounds and was going to report to ST in the best shape of his life, just like Pedro, and the “freak of nature” El-Duque…all those things worked out true, what do you mean?…oh..wait…

      • Tidewater says:

        Right!!! Mo Vaughan! How silly of me. :)

        • starz31 says:

          thats what was frustrating about Alou, he too could hit even if he was on his death-bed. Vaughan was a shell of himself while Alou never lost his ability, just couldn’t stay on the field. shame.

        • Tidewater says:

          Yes, so true. I was all for bringing Alou back, because, though I never for a second thought he’d be there for an entire season, I figured we’d get 60 -100 games out of him and he’d be great for those 60-100. Who knew it would be THIS bad?

  10. alex242 says:

    If the mets sign a 36 years old left fielder who can’t play defense it better be #24 MANUEL ARISTIDES RAMIREZ!!!!!!

  11. starz31 says:

    If the price is reasonable, go for Dye. But I don’t think it will be. We still need 2 SP for this rotation not to mention depth for AAA and injury spot-starters. If we trade Niese, we deepen that hole even more. If we can trade lower-level pitching and maybe Heilman and a decent bat(Evans and/or Carp) than see what we can do. But If the Sox are asking for a Sonnastine or jackson type, I don’t think we can make this work without opening up more holes.

    If Manny’s price…scratch that, if Manny’s years become reasonable, then i think we should seriously consider him. No more than 3 years, ideally 2, and I don’t care how much you pay him. Manny is a better hitter than Dye, similar age, and Manny would strengthen our lineup immensely.

    • alex242 says:

      Dye is not worth all of that.. if any.. he’s 36 years old, plus if the white sox want more than jckson or sonnastine i imagine what they’ll ask the mets.. “straight up here’s dye, we’re taking.. #7.. thanks omar..

      • Elastic says:

        What about a blockbuster involving Dye, Vasquez and Jenks?

        • therealsince86 says:

          LOL, right. Why would the Sox do that when they can get so much more with individual trades?

        • starz31 says:

          it better not be a blockbuster involving # 7.

          The bigger the trade, the more we have to give up. And i just don’t think we have enough ML-ready talent to make a trade that big and not be left with other holes to fill.

          I don’t think we can afford Jenks…but a Dye and Vasquez deal would net the Sox at least Niese, Parnell, Heilman, and some form of offense. Is it worth giving up those arms for an average innings-eater? Is it worth trading Fmart for a 36 year old hitter? I don’t think so. If we have to trade Fmart and Niese, I would like to get back a younger player we have control with. Jenks fits that bill, but why spend that much when you can just spend $$ instead in FA.

  12. JamesK says:

    Please say NO to jermaine dye. Dunn is such an underrated player. I’m shocked to see MetsBlog endorse him – based on previous posts this season it seemed like they hated him for his low BA and K’s (which are not big problems).

    I’d love to see the Mets get Sonnanstine. He’s a 25 year old Rick Reed.

    • Gina says:

      I’d love Dunn and Sonnanstine. But I imagine Edwin Jackson and Ibanez is more likely.

      bleh.

      • JamesK says:

        Gina, I was thinking the same thing.

        People gush about Edwin Jackson’s arm and potential, etc., but I don’t see him panning out. His 2008 season wasn’t all that impressive, anyway.

        Ibanez is a 36 year old lefty who is awful in the field. He’s been the 4th worst LF in baseball defensively over the last 3 years.

  13. If we can get Dunn at a reasonable price, I would jump at him. Say what you will about his strikeouts – whatever you’re saying, it’s probably deserved – but the guy can whack the ball. Pitchers kn ow they can’t F*** around with him – make one mistake and it’s a different ballgame. I’d like Dye, too, but I’m not gonna trade what the ChiSox want. Whatever we do this offseason, we have to remain committed to our young developing players. Niese and Parnell have to stick around, so I don’t wanna hear about trading for JJ Putz or some other closer – not when we can get a better closer via free agency.

  14. Slob says:

    To trade for Dye while Dunn is available as a free agent would be criminal. Not only is Dunn more valuable, he’ll cost you less.

  15. BullpenHelp says:

    I’m sorry… did I miss something? Has Jermaine Dye told someone that he’d be willing to waive his no trade clause to go to New York?