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24 free-agents were offered salary arbitration, including Juan Cruz, Brian Fuentes, Orlando Hudson, Raul Ibanez, Derek Lowe, Manny Ramirez, Francisco Rodriguez and Jon Garland.
By offering arbitration, assuming he does not accept the one-year offer, if the player leaves to sign with a new team, that new team will owe the old team at least one compensatory draft pick.
The Mets offered salary arbitration to Oliver Perez. However, they did not offer arbitration to Luis Ayala and Moises Alou.
Additionally, Adam Dunn, Pat Burrel and Bobby Abreu, as well as Andy Pettitte, Joe Beimel, Randy Wolf and Kerry Wood, were not offered arbitration, meaning they will not cost their new team a draft pick.
…i find it interesting that arbitration was not extended to dunn, abreu and burrell, which means their teams made a calculated decision suggesting these players could have so few enticing options on the open market that they’d be willing to accept a one-year deal…in other words, what is going on in the outfielder’s market…at the same time, these players will become slightly more attractive now that their new team does not have to part with draft picks in exchange for signing them…
I think it makes Kerry Wood a better option.
I like Woods as a closer … a lot. I would not have a problem if we ended up with him.
kerry would for free is still not a better option than K-Rod. K-Rod is that much better than any other option
Just one typo there. While Garland was offered arbitration, he will not cost the signing team a pick as he is a type B FA.
no juan cruz please.. get ben sheets k-rod and trade delgado to bring in teixeira.. thanks.
LOL. You make things sound so simple.
And now that Sheets cost us a pick, I am not so sure. Only if he comes short term and cheap.
lol, yeah, but if we’re losing perez doesn’t that allow us to sign 3 type free agent A?
We can sign about 5-6 type A’s. That’s just a myth about the limits. There are way too many FA on the market for it to matter. It’s just if it’s going to cost us a pick I want it to be a sure thing like Tex or Krod.
Exactly, i’ve been praying for that, i mean look at the market, no offense to darren oliver but he’s a type A free agent!! i don’t know how that can be possible, if we get vasquez in a trade, get sheets,k-rod we can just use delgado to get someone (2b, lf, bullpen) then go all out for TEIXEIRA. that i think would put us over the hump.. or we can always get putz and sign woods.. either way the bullpen would be solidify you know..
Alex you are always way out there. However, if your plan revolves around our big signing being Tex and trading Delgado I am all for it.
That gives you more options.
Go with Wood and Guardado. Trade for Street.
That cost you
20 for Tex
10 for Wood
3 for Guardado (at the Most)
5? for Street
-12 for Delgado
That’s 26 million.
You still have plenty to spend on a SP.
Im not sure what kind of contract street gets but I thought the mets only had around 25 to 30 million dollars of payroll to play with.
That did not include the 12 to Delgado. They had about 42-48 coming into the offseason.
Yeah just sign 3 type A and deal delgado… who has less value than you’d think. that would cost us $50m for the next 5 years. no thanks
Actually considering what the Sox want for Dye, I would think that Delgado has more value than you think.
I still think we should jump in the Tex market and trade Delgado. As for Krod and Sheets, Krod is fine but again if Sheets is costing a pick and 15 million a year, no thanks.
Besides with your count you forgot to subtract Delgado’s 12 million.
I’m with you thereal … Tex is the best long term option on the FA market and he makes the Mets team better instantly. And yes, Delgado would have plenty of value. Especially if you sign Tex … teams will have a need for Delgado with Tex off the market.
The market for Delgado won’t be huge. However, I would think the following teams would be interested.
Angels
Rays
Jays
O’s
Any others?
Yeah you won’t get a killing for him but you’d get something pretty good.
I know you won’t agree with me but I still think you can put Seattle on that list. I read or heard a quote somewhere a couple weeks ago saying that the GM there doesn’t view the team as rebuilding.
SF Giants might also be an option.
Didn’t they find their 1B of the future?
As for Seattle, I would imagine it would only be a salary for salary exachange with them and that’s not good enough. Something like Washburn for Delgado just won’t work. If for some reason they were dumb enough to do Putz for Delgado then sure.
I didn’t pay attention … who is their 1B of the future. I was thinking a guy like Molina back for Delgado but if they have a 1B then it won’t work.
Yes, I think the Seattle GM is pretty dumb. It’s worth at least a try.
Thank you Alex and thereal, Tex is the #1 FA out there for a reason. He needs to be Omar’s main priority. There are lots of options for closers, SPers and LFers. If we can get Tex then the rest of the chips will fall in place nicely.
I’ve written some posts about it on mets4tex.wordpress.com
Trade delgado and 2 million dollars and a prospect for sonnanstine. Get street for hielman plus. Sign krod and tex to backloaded deals where they make maybe 11 or 12 the first year for krod and 16 or 17 the first year for tex. That would leave the mets with 10 to 12 million to spend on a pitcher. Probally more like 10 million if you factor in the difference of what street makes compared to hielman. I like the idea of trading for a guy like marquis. He’ll be cheap and he’d leave you some money for another bullpen arm or a guy like grudzy,eckstein, rivera or loretta.
KRod, Ibanez, Oliver P since he won’t apparently break the bank and is younger with a much higher upside than Vasquez and Garland and will be cheaper AND much younger than Lowe and unlike Sheets, Ollie can pitch 6 weeks without getting hurt, and then give the Rockies what they want for Street to set up and we’re done.
Maybe Murph can be a supersub, play some 1B, some 2B, and play first in 2010 and we can get one more year out of Delgado, as he will be playing for another contract with impending free agency.
Please spare me the too many lefty bat argument, as that doesn’t mean anything. At all. At least not to GMs and people in baseball.
And I love Tex, but it is just very, very unlikely.
OK, we are done, we can all get ready for the Nets tonight, as they continue their surge to the top.
While Ollie does have a higer upside than Vasquez he can’t go the innings that he does.
I would much rather have Vasquez for 2 years 22 million and the 2 picks from Perez than to Have Perez for 4/48 and no picks.
I can’t really argue with that….I love Ollie’s potential, but it may have reached its peak in 2004 and 2007. But if we had KRod and Street/Putz to set up, we could afford and probably get a lot more good bullpen innings than the last 2 years….
kingman, there’s something strange about you and your love for ibanez.. jk.
Although Tex may be unlikely, it just makes so much sense it kills me.
LOL! Well, full disclosure—I did live in Seattle for the decade of the 90s, so I follow them too as a distant 2nd favorite team…Ibanez would just be so much cheaper and such a shorter term deal, he is from NY, would probably love to have a chance at a ring, is a great guy by all accounts, and has put up really good numbers for horrid teams the last few years. And he made like 5.5 mil last year, so would cost SO much less per year than Manny, Dunn or Tex.
But, again, I would LOVE to have Tex as another anchor on this team. I just doubt it will happen.
That explains alot.
With so many teams going after Ibanez, he’s going to have a high price.
Ibanez would be a great pickup if it were the decade of the 90s.
Wrong. But thanks for trying to say something intelligent!
PS–Check out what Ibanez did in the 90s….
Meaning that his career was ahead of him, not behind him. But thanks for trying to appreciate subtlety.
Well, a careful look at his career does seem to show that he is in the very middle of his prime and was a late-bloomer. He has had many of his best numbers the last 3 years. Career highs in G, H, 2B, and OBP last year.
It doesn’t really make sense to think his career is behind him just because he is 36.
Baseball America has a full list of Type A & B free agents, and how signings affect the draft order.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/ask-ba/2008/267236.html
nice link nate
This draft pick talk has to stop. This is one of the most popular baseball blogs on the Internet, and it is a constant source of false information.
For Type B free agents, like Jon Garland, mentioned above, no team loses a draft pick. MLB manifests a draft pick for the team losing him, which they receive in the supplemental first round. If the Mets signed Jon Garland, they would not lose a draft pick. Zero.
Then we have this:
“if the player leaves to sign with a new team, that new team will owe the old team at least one compensatory draft pick.”
No. The greatest number of picks a team can lose for signing a Type A free agent is one. The team losing the player gains two draft picks, but one is in the supplemental round.
This happens all the time here. A team does NOT lose two draft picks for signing a Type A free agent, and a team loses NO draft picks for signing a Type B free agent.
That’s right. You tell em Joey P!
It’s almost as bad as those who say we can’t sign but 2 type A FA.
You can’t give up a pick that does not exist yet. LOL.
I sent Matt an email about this. I think I’ve done this 2 or 7 times before… maybe he will read it this time.
Well I did get a reply, seems he’s just confused and trying to relay it in more basic terms to avoid errors.
Hopefully the readers get it one way or another.
The funny thing is that I was reading an Angels blog yesterday which listed metsblog as having a great write up on draft picks.
I really don’t see why we are not mentioned more with Tex. I know it’s a long contract and lots of money but what do we need more? He will only cost 4 million more than Delgado did last year. It’s not going to burden our payroll that much. 8/160 is fine by me.
Plus to me it allows for a cheaper solution in LF as well.
Reyes, Church, Wright, Tex, Beltran, Murphy, Schnieder/Castro, Castillo is a decent lineup with it’s core 6 young or in their prime.
Tex cost us 8 million more from our payroll and we get what ever players Delgado brings us back. Thus imagine if we could get Sonnanstine for Delgado and 2 million.
Hopefully Omar is playing a really good game of possum.
I think it is clearly because of the length of deal he will demand and get….we already have Johan on a deal like that, and if we sign Tex, in 3 or 4 years, we will also have to sign Wright and Reyes to similar deals, and that would be at least four players by about 2011 or so getting 20 mil a year….I am not one who thinks the Wilpons are cheap, as they clearly are not, but I think with what they will be paying Johan, Wright, and Reyes in 3–4 years, one more mega-deal will be too much.
Ibanez!!
I would think the one more mega deal that pretty much guarantees you have a very good team for the next 8 years is a no brainer. Put the team in the playoffs every year and you make that money back no problem.
I agree that Tex would be great, but unfortunately, financial considerations with a deal like that are huge. He will probably get something like 8/160 or in the vicinity. The Wilpons will make a ton of dough the next few years with or without playoffs. With the new stadium and owning their own network, making the playoffs surely makes them a lot more money, but I would guess not enough to be willing to afford another giant commitment like Tex. I sincerely hope I am wrong, as adding Tex to Johan/Wright/Beltran/Reyes/Pelf and maybe KRod would be incredible.
I hope you’re wrong too but you’re probably not too far off.
I still don’t think you are looking at the longterm impact of signing Tex. It’s only 4 million more than we paid Delgado the last few years. Signing Ibanez to a 2 year contract and keeping Delgado are stop gaps that cost just as much (more than) as Murphy in LF and Tex at 1B.
Yup, I agree. It’s a no brainer. Tex makes the team better in both the short term and the long term. He’s a complete player and he’s young. You want to build a championship team for the next 8 years… sign this guy.
TRS, I am strictly talking long-term. In about 2011, you have Johan making 20-mil+, and surely Wright and Reyes will be about there too. Tex would make at least 4 guys making this kind of money. And if Pelf continues to develop, he will be ready for big bucks by then too. I certainly hope we sign Tex, and I have no inside info, but I would imagine the Wilpons must be thinking about stuff like this.
But you also have to as sume that someone will have to play 1B then too and that person if quality will cost as much as Tex. Not to mention that based on baseball trends and inflation all salaries will be higher then. Like the Beltran contract now seems normal or even a bargain.
If you had
Tex
Wright
Reyes
Santana
That’s 80 milion a year. You would still by that time have 80-100 more million to spend.
Ok but then you will be spending even more for a 1B later. Unless you really think Murphy can be it but then you will have to constantly be spending 12+ million on guys like IBANEZ. Unless you think that Fmart can be it. But then can Fmart and Murphy carry the load with Church in the lineup? No then you have to trade Church and spend money in RF.
Tex allows you not to worry about 1B and have plenty of cheap internal options for LF.
I don’t think Ibanez will cost 12 mil; he made like 5-something last year…and I think he might sign for 3 years, so we are talking a commitment of 30–35 mil, not 160 mil—yes Tex is far younger and far better, but that is a HUGE difference in dollars committed.
If Murph can hit like he showed the potential to last year, don’t you think we have to find a spot for him? If not 2B or LF, 1B could be it. And if FMart is not ready and it is LF for Murph, then as you have pointed out TRS, Ibanez could play 1B for a couple of years.
And I would certainly take Dunn to replace Ibanez in this exact scenario if he was reasonably priced.
See I just guess we will agree to disagree. Ibanez will make at least 12 million. Even so you are going to pay Ibanez 10 million to play LF and Delgado 12 million to play 1B. That’s 22 million. Playing Tex at 1B and Murphy in LF cost you 20.5 million. You have to replace those stop gaps eventually and they will cost more money the next time you do it. With your plan either we have to sign someone else not as good as Tex later to take Delgado or LF’s spot or we have to depend on Fmart and Murphy working out.
For my plan 1B is taken care of and LF depends on only one of them working out and will be cheap for years to come.
It’s not mentioned because it is not a priority, unless Texeira is going to take the mound and pitch 200 innings
No be he allows you to trade Delgado for a #5 starter that we need at a cost of only 8 million for that #5.
kingman, in 2011, 20 million a year for a premier 1B will be cheap. ussmariner took a very detailed look at the cost of Teix and they figures he’s actually worth 7/170 and so those 3 additional years for 30 million would be a steal.
Well, you may have a fine point here…but on the other hand, if Wright continues to be Wright and Reyes shakes off the slumps, what will they be worth in 2011?
But again, good point.
I do hope you and TRS do get that I would LOVE to have Tex…I guess I am preparing myself to not be disappointed, but if we somehow start 2009 with KRod and Tex, I will be PSYCHED.
As a Mets fan, I’m disappointed that you are preparing not to be disappointed. Mets fans believe all they way, and take disappointment head on.
the real, the whole thing to me is get young with good players, and k-rod and teix would be just that, i know you like guardado and so do i but i don’t think the mets will go that road, with that being said i think we should trade delgado just based on the fact that he’s the veteran leader of a team that fail twice in a row and he’s shown his face nowhere… get him out at any cost to bring young core players to compliment #5 and #7 but b4 all that we must address the bullpen first..
I don’t want to get rid of Delgado just because he did not lead the team to victory. I just think it’s our chance to get something for him and the fact that next year’s 1B market is crap. To me if we don’t get rid of him for 2009 then our 2010 1B will be Delgado again.
even with that, i don’t know what the market is for free agent next year but i think this is our chance to have a great lineup of young players for years to come, the only place we might not be young is catching, other than that once we get rid of castillo (praying it happens) we’d be under 32 years old at all the postions (beltran 32 in 2010).. we won’t nee to address much in 2010 comes free agency becoz our young players are developing..
The whole reason the teams didn’t offer those player arbitration is because Owners have tightened the purse strings and are back to trying to make sound business decisions.
The Mets not offering Alou arb is a no brainer. Why would you offer a 41 year old with a history of ALWAYS BEING INJURED a one year, 7 millio dollar deal is the question Omar has to answer too for last year.
Look, I want the Mets to win…BAD.
But the reality is that the Mets are NOT going to sign Krod or Tex Because of maney. Plain and simple.
Omar the insignifigant will go to the GM meetings (his panic trade of Nady for Roberto IS the reason the Mets lost the playoffs), order espresso for breakfast and then try to trade our POS players (see Castillo, Heilman, Show, Evans) for other teams better players who are in the sme or worse financial straights.
We will sign Garland. Hopefully, we will get Wolf BEFORE the Phillies resign him.
Wow you are ignorant.
You my friend have no idea what you’re talking about when it comes to the Nady Trade…do you know how many games in the playoffs we would have won without OP…zero..because we wouldnt have gotten there…
and what’s this maney you speak of??? is that MONEY or MANNY?
Probably a Boras term short for Manny Money, you know considering how…what word did he use…oh yes, epic, Manny is.
True he pitched a really good game 7. But what about game 4 where he gave up 9 hits and 5 ERs.
Easy now, chicken little.
I don’t know if i would change the lineup much, since scoring runs last year was not a problem for the Mets, You have to say they have one of the best combinations on 3-4-5 hitters in baseball. I think Omar should worry about the Pen and starting pitching.
While the market for 1B is weak in 2010. The market for a C and a LF is very strong. Try to uprage the pen and the rotation first.
since you mention the market for LF and C what are they i’d like to know becoz i didn’t know who will be free agents in 2009
I’m having some trouble posting
ok, becoz one of the reasons that i wanna go all out this year is becoz i know that not that many good players will be free agent as team are starting to lock up their young players earlier..
RF
DYE, Giles, Guerrero, MAgglio, Nady
LF.
Bay, Crawford, Holliday, Matsui
C.
Ramon Hernandez, Victor MArtinzez
Even 2B,
Freddy Sanchez, MArk Derosa
HOLLIDAY we’ll see.. NADY is a maybe depends what he asks.. MARTINEZ is a up and down pplayer but a great clutch hitter..(so was d. wright) SANCHEZ i like but i’m sure we’ll be cover at 2nd if murphy plays good but i like him.. CRAWFORD & BAY are interesting. but the thing is there’s no type of players that draw my attention in there like tex or manny or cc does you know..
the thing is whatever the mets offer for teixiera the yankees will bid higher to the point where if the yankees let us get Teixiera, we’ll have no money to get more important needs such as SP and a bullpen
after the yankees let us get Santana do you think the Yankees would let us get the best offseason move again??
I totally agree, especially if CC signs with the angles, They yankees will go “all out” fot Tex. THey’ll petty much give him a blank check.
Alex, i just dont see the mets offense being such a big problem, while yes it would be nice to upgrade, i dont think it would be a neccesity.
but i think if you have a strong rotation and a strong bullpen, that will take you further into october.
The yankees can kiss my … They didn’t let us do anything. That’s like saying no trades or signings occur unless the yankees allow it. Plz.
The yankees will overspend on pitching and outfielders. They won’t be able to afford Tex.
I dont think the word afford is in the yankees dictionary.
the yankees not giving up hughes and kennedy allowed us to get Santana. everyone knows that
so ur telling me that if the Mets and Yankees try to outbid each other for a player, the Mets will win.
if the yankees want the player, they will get him. end of story…
I feel sorry for you guys who live in the Yankees shadows.
Do you remember Beltran? Is he a Met or a Yankee?
Plus, didn’t the Yankees just spend a ton of money last year on A-Rod, Posada, Mariano, etc.
Case, With regards to Beltran, yes he is a Met, but werent there reports that said Beltran really wanted to play for the yankees??
I am with Case….the Yanks are entering a period like the Knicks have been in for years—they can spend all they want, but they in all likelihood will be fighting Tor for 3rd place for the next few years, with the young players the Sox and Rays have. Even with CC or Tex, the Yanks are aging and don’t have young Jeters and Bernies and Pettittes and Marianos coming up.
We will most likely be better than the Yanks for the next few years at least.
Let them overpay for Lowe and give Burnett another Pavano/Kevin Brown contract.
Who cares.
Kingman, i totally agree with you. But even with all of what you just said, It still will not stop them from overspending. I think thats the point some people are trying to make. No matter what, if they want something, they will spend and get it.
NY, again you prove yourself wrong. You just posted that the Yankees will win any bidding war, yet they didn’t with Beltran. The Mets won. So the Mets can win a bidding war with the Yanks. Stop being scared.
BTW, Teixeira is of Portuguese descent. Do you think Omar shouldn’t go after him because of that? Would he be biased if he did?
LOL, lets not go there today, i got financial statements i need to get out.
I hear what your saying, but with Beltran, didn’t he want to play for the yankees?
Yes NY718, I do agree they are the kings of overspending, absolutely true–I just think it won’t hurt us this time.
I do hope and think that this time around it may hurt them, as CC seems to prefer playing elsewhere, and hopefully Tex does too, and at least one of them should wind up on the west coast. I would LOVE to see them overpay for an aging Lowe and a walking DL like Burnett. Fortunately for us, I don’t think we are targeting the same players. They certainly won’t be bidding on KRod, or trying to trade for Putz or Street, and if we can’t get Tex, they are unlikely to be bidding on Manny or Ibanez or Dunn. So their overspending shouldn’t hurt us at all.
Let them be the Knicks and watch us in the playoffs with the highest payroll in the game!
AMEN TO THAT BROTHER!!!!
The Yankee’s have offense too and need pitching badly. They want CC, Burnett and Lowe. I would imagine that if they do not get CC then they will put all their money in getting 3 top SP. They have plenty of options for 1B.
To me the Mets will be bidding against the Angels for Tex.
obviously Manny is the best player available but 100 mil for 5 years is way too much
i’d do 3 years 60 mil in a heartbeat though. not only do we get his .300 30 HR and 100 RBI we get pressure off Beltran, Reyes, Wright and Delgado.
and to sweeten the deal id invite pedro back as the 5th starter. Even if he doesnt pitch that great if he helps bring us manny its all worth it. not too mention Niese and co. could get the call up when he gets hurt anyway…
Going into next season counting on Pedro and Niese as our 5th starters seems like a terrible idea.
its the 5th starter though. i’d rather have Pedro as our 5th and Manny in LF than Murphy/Tatis in LF and Garland as our 5th.
the HUGE upgrade at LF is well worth the small downgrade at 5th starter plus i still think pedro can be effective IF he can manage to stay healthy
Who said anything about Garland? And it’s a 5th starter on a team with a lot of question marks in their rotation. We can’t afford to go into next season with 2 question being our best options for our 5th pitcher.
Not to mention the fact that Pedro’s gonna want Garland money, not years but at least in money. That does not make any sense.
just pray that the same way that castillo got a 4 year contract to “bring” santana here omar doens’t give pedro a 5 year deal to bring manny.. plus, NO TO PEDRO PLEASE… bring penny or garcia who at least are younger than him and penny throws harder..
Sign Pedro to a 1 year 5 mil deal with a 1 year team option and then a position in the organization, just to give the Mets the Pedro factor in the Dominican Republic. People forget, Pedro helped recruit Fernando Martinez and a slew of kids you haven’t heard of yet.
Pedro already has made his money…won his Cy Young awards and won a ring. I honestly believe his only motivation now would be to help the Mets win.
fernando martinez was recruited by pedro? wow, i’m sorry.. i thought omar and benazrad did that but thanks for letting me know..
Not to mention that there is no way Pedro is playing for 5 million. Seriously? You expect him to take that much of a cut just to stay with the Mets?
I actually do. I don’t see him wanting to go anywhere else.
Don’t you think he would rather retire than to take 5 million a year?
Dunn, Beimel and Hoffmann (for setup) are now no brainers.
I agree on Dunn and Hoffman, not so much on Beimel.
I really can’t think of a reason they would rather go after Ibanez than Dunn now. It just doesn’t make any sense. And I’d much rather them go after Wood now too.
True enough … I’ve never been a fan of Dunn but at this point he makes so much more sense than Ibanez.
so you’d rather have a less effective closer with no postseason experience and whose been on the DL more times than Moises Alou over one of the most feared closers in baseball just b/c of a draft pick, 4 mil per and an extra 1-2 years???
How had wood been lest effective? Look at the head to head stats of K-rod, Fuentes, and Wood. K-rod’s are worse than both of them. And outside of the first year he pitched, when the Angels used a little no rule to bring him up for the post-season and no one had seen his stuff before K-rod has been horrible in the post season.
k-rod and wood???? that can be our mariano and joba in the NL… BUT WE MUST NOT FORGET TO GET STARTING PITCHERS!!
thats not fair, Rivera is the greatest RP in MLB history and Joba looks like the next roger clemens (minus the steroids)
oleo, i’m stating in the NL we would have arguably the best set up/ closer combination. not that i’m comparing mariano with anybody let alone k-rod. if we would had have mariano at least 1 world series title would be in our belt and at least 2 less WS titles for the yankees.. guarantee..
even with the injury risk gina..not saying the other two are not but he has a bit of history on the DL(wood)?
Burrell wasn’t offered arby either.
Burrell doesn’t like roast beef?
Got to wonder if the Mets will give Kerry Wood a bigger look now considering he wont cost nealry as much as K-Rod and they wont lose any draft picks for him. Although I still think they will go wtih K-Rod.
And as NYMETSFAN718 would say it will be K-Rod and not Wood because K-Rod is Hispanic lol
lol, yeah, i think his joke was a lil out of line but as a dominican guy i didn’t get offended.. i’m sure he knows that the top 5 players in the game are ALL hispanics..
LOL, im glad to see where still talking about me. I just thnik everyone took my comments out of porportion. BUT ANYWAY.
Wood and KROD i think should not even be mentioned in the same sentence. But he iesnt a bad 8th inning option
Wood is better than KRod if he’s healthy.
Yup Omar signed Billy Wagner to that huge contract cuz his father’s uncle’s brother’s wife is half-dominican
He also hasn’t traded Aaron Heilman yet because Heillman means pastelon in Spanish. Omar loves pastelon.
Im not gonna get into any of that today!!!!!!!!
As a matter of fact, it has been rumored that Ryan Church is really Ryan Iglesias and is the illegimate son of Julio Iglesias. As soon as Omar caught wind of this, he immediately traded for him. A spokesman for the Iglesias family has not returned phone calls as of yet.
loll
Lets not forget the latin group of guys he has drafted
Eddie “Kunz” Fernandez
Daniel “Murphy” Melendez
Nick “Evans” Gomez
Miguel “Pelfrey” Perez
It is obvious that Omar wants an all latin team
plus we all know what happened when he found out Alfonso Soriano was really Alfonso Sorrentini.
No way was he gonna have a white guy roaming his outfield !
Omar only allows David Wright to co-exist with the team because David has learned how to speak Spanish, cook Dominican food, make a mean coquito and dance salsa. Word has it that he will demonstrate his leadership skills and lead a parranda this xmas in Puerto Rico this year. More details to come.
K-Rod is 26 years old not 36. 4 years at 52 mil is a bargain and considering how dominant he’s been in the AL just imagine what he would do in the NL. No reason not to expect an era under 2.20.
i want a closer who is a sure thing. Fuentes, Wood, Jenks, Putz don’t even come close…
“i want a closer who is a sure thing. Fuentes, Wood, Jenks, Putz don’t even come close…
oleo, relax, you making k-rod into mariano rivera.. didn’t you see what a cast off did for the phillies last year..?
I really would not call Lidge a cast off, He has his career ruined by Pujols, who will ruin many pitchers careers. BEfore Pujols Lidge was a sure as anyhting.
Don’t you have end of month closings to finish?
wasn’t that like 4 years ago almost? 2005.. or something like that.. he resurected in phillie coz the astros gave him up for the superstar (michael f****** bourn) of the phillies future.. he was a cast off for the past 3 years…
He was only a cast off in 06. In 07 he was a really good setup man for them and still had 19 saves,
Exactly, not to mention if you look at all their numbers K-rod isn’t better, or at least not much better, than Wood and Fuentes. If you take out the injury history Wood is a much better option overall than K-rod is just based on their numbers from last year. People are seriously overrating K-rod I think you could make a legit argument that he’s not even a top 5 closer in baseball.
gina,
you’re pretty good at your statements but i wanna know for sure who are other than mariano the other 3 best closers in the game? anybody chimed in as well.
Papelbon, Nathan
…… OK.. check NATHAN’s post season number i just did..
He had one bad postseason in 03, but had good ones in 04 and 05.
Besides, KROD’s postseason sumbers are not that great
I mean 06 not 05
Check K-rod’s post season stats after his first season.
I’d also put Soria in that argument, after those 3 of course and Lidge. Not saying those 2 are definitely better than him but you could make the argument. K-rod isn’t definitively a top 5 closer.
You maybe right Gina, Lets just say for arguments sake that he is not a top 5 closer. Isnt he the top closer available, and a pretty good one. Dont the Mets need a closer? Shouldnt they go after the best available guy?
Not if they have to way overpay to get him if the other closers available aren’t that different from him in ability.
only problem is we cannot “overlook” his injury history…what good is it to have a wagner all over again. Not saying the other two are not capable of injury but we do have to take into account the injury factor dont we…
and by the wagner comparison is strictly regarding losing him down the stretch due to injury. Im sure woods numbers are better than wagner.
You also can’t overlook the draft pick and more money K-rod is going to cost. Would you rather have some sort of combination of Wood, Street and Juan Cruz and/or Brandon Lyon or something like K-rod and maybe street, with K-rod you’re not going to be able to afford to bring in as many arms and you’re putting yourself in a worst position draft pick wise.
Not to mention his injuries were all during years he was used as a starter weren’t they. Obviously his arm isn’t going to be under the same amount of stress. But either way my point about ignoring injuries was because post I was replying to was claiming the other guys didn’t compare to K-rod despite both of them having better peripherals.
as usual good point. A bullpen squad of wood/street/cruz would be pretty nice as cruz would be the one that would cost us the pick. I would as-sume wood would be closer/cruz 8th inning/street 7th inning. If omar would pull that off it would be awsome
With that being 3 RHP why not get my Everyday Eddie instead of Cruz and not cost any picks?
Wood
Street
Everyday Eddie
Stokes
Smith
Show/Feliciano
Parnell
Castoff.
gina
how can you say K-Rod isn’t better than them. sure his whip is slightly above them but K-Rod is in the AL.
not to mention he can pitch under pressure, he has a WS ring, and he has plenty of post-season experience.
do we have any idea what Fuentes or Wood can do in a big spot??
wood had one good season after being hurt for 5 years
ughhh this offseason is bothering me,
we collapsed 2 years in a row, our bullpen was/is disgracefull and the last 3 weeks we of the season we forgot how to hit,
can someone for the life of me, explain why were not go after the top fa crop of players? honestly new stadium/own tv network? they gotta surprize us.
Because going after top FA doesn’t automatically equal a championship. There are some players who are worth it, and some who aren’t.
But it works so well for the Yankees…
What has it gotten the yankees lately?
Also, last year wasn’t a collapse but rather a failure to have players that can step up when starters get injured. (Except for Tatis, he definitely stepped up)
And Murphy and to some extent Evans.
Exactly.
Tex: Worth it. Young and big impact on rest of team.
CC: Not worth it. Too much of an injury risk
Lowe: Not worth it. Too many years and too much money for an older #2-3 starter.
Krod: Slightly worth it only because the demand is not there. If we can get him for 4/48 worth it. 5/60 not worth it.
Ibanez: 2+ years 12 million a year, type A. Not worth it.
Manny 3-4 years 25 million+ a year not worth it.
Wood: Now that he does not cost a pick and demand may not allow him more than 2 years. More worth it than before.
Fuentes: Type A wanting 11+ a year for 3-4 years, not worth it.
Burnett: Wanting 15 million for 4+ injury prone years. Not worth it.
See where I am going here?
well the market is what it is but the Mets have the luxury of being able to spend alot more than their competetion
Yes but even they have budgets. And signing risky players longterm keep you from adding difference makers long term. Everyone’s favorite example Castillo. Castillo was the best 2B on the market last year so we rushed and signed him because we have more money than everyone else.
Its early, the signings generally start after the winter meetings.
Last year seemed busier because Omar was busy making bad re-signings of his own players which make it seem like nothing good is happening, when it is.
He isnt resigning Easley, Alou, Pedro, etc etc.
Last year he resigned Marlon Anderson and Ramon Castro to two year deals, and Easley to one.
Is that what we really want to happen this year?
I THOUGHT GINA KNEW BASEBALL, BUT WOW.. EVEN SORIA IS BETTER THAN K-ROD!!!!!! wow, gina.. wow..
Look at his numbers, Soria plays in KC which means no one sees him play. He is a great closer with unbelievable stats. I dont know if he is better, but he is definetly equal to KROD.
how can you say that!!!!!!!!!!!! have you seen who’s the best closer since 2003 in terms of stats????? K-rod is to me and a lot of ppl top 5!!!! SORAI!!! are you kidding me!!!
Alex, look at Soria’s numbers.
1.60 ERA
0.861 WHIP
I think saves are overrated, but just for argument sake, 42 saves in 45 chances!! WOW!!!!!
soria also will cost the Mets, at least 2 of F-Mart, Niese, Parnell and Murphy.
if we were to trade for Soria we’d have no prospects left. No reason to waste resources when K-Rod is available for only a draft pick.
Trading for Soria and Greinke would interest me.
Esp. if we are willing to take Guillen and his salary off their hands.
oleo who said anything about trading for Soria? My point was that K-rod was being overrated and while he’s a very good closer he’s not necessarily the top tier kind you shell out that kind of cash for.
Soria based on the fact that he is young and under control for cheap is better than Krod.
wow the real… you too… i respect you the most not to look at stats and look a consistency.. tell me if i told you a player hit 300 30+ hr’s 100+ rubs 120+ rbi’s 15 stls and a gold glove is not clutch you would call me crazy.. but based on what we saw for most of the year THAT player did not consistely came through as b4..
CONSISTENCY
Alex, consistency? Soria only has 1 1/2 years of MLB experience. You can’t help but look at stats. He is 24.
K-ROD is 26 and he’s been doing it since 2002!!! how do you know soria will continu to be good in a big market? when k-rod already was!!
Your right, I agree,
But in sports, nothing is garaunteed, so you have to base your signings and player opinions on prior performance and project it over a course of time.
If you take Soria’s numbers, and say he will continue doing what he does, his numbers will me better than KROD’s.
You did not read the post Alex. I said that based on other factors Soria is better. Their numbers are comparable but Soria is cheap and undercontrol. I did not say that the Mets should run out and get him over Krod. That would be silly because of the amount of prospects it would take. However, if I could have Soria at 1 million locked up or Krod at 4/60 I would take Soria everytime.
If you look at what matters (era,whip) and not the most overated stat in sports (saves) you would see that k-rod wasnt a top 5 closer last yr. Heilman wouldve had 40 saves on the angles haa. He wouldve blown the other 25 but still had 40 for a team that won every game by 1 or 2 runs. With wood not getting arbitration all this does is give the mets more leverage over k-rod which is a good thing. I say we will sign him for 3/40-45 with a 4th yr option..no other team will give him what we will offer so hes in the bag now. I say get Dunn and trade Delgado.
dirtysanchez
Wagner has better stats than almost any CP in baseball, the problem is Wagner couldnt get it done when it counted. He always blew the big game.
thats why the track record of a player is important. stats are great but the fact of the matter is who do you want when the season is on the line.
look at a guy like Javier Vasquez, he puts up very good numbers and has great stats but everytime his team needed a big win whether he was in Chicago or NY, he couldnt get it done.
A-Rod is another example, amazing statistics but when the games on the line he’s pretty much an automatic out.
we need winners and Manny, K-Rod and Lowe are winners. I know its not very realisitc but if those 3 can be signed and the mets can package heilman for street then besides some small moves here or there, thats all this team needs.
not to mention other than mariano and maybe papelbon there hasn’t been one succesful closer in the post season, after the steroid era who’s been more consistent than k-rod? at least his team makes the playoffs and in due part is becoz of him.. he shuts them down.. imagine us with him this year… u think we would’ve blown 30 games??? think not.. all clubs have a closer, not many have a consistent one year after year.. teams like boston, yankees, angels, minnesota are always in contention due to the fact that they have consistent closers..
Give me a 26 year old K-rod any day over Fuentes or Wood. Fuentes is too old and Wood is too old. This team needs to get younger.
Sign Fuerntez (Closer), Wood (setup, too injury prone for closerr) trade heilman and Evans for street.
Buillpen
Fuerntez
Wood
Street
Feliciano
Smith
Stokes
Parnel
The problem is Wood is going to cost too much money to be a set up man. Especially now that teams know he won’t cost a pick, although I’m not sure if he was a Type A.
how about this.
Get Tiex. That is a no brainer.
make the street trrade just to save Heilmann from the fans. Also a viable back-up closer option.
Sign Hoffman as another set up guy. Also a viable back up closer option.
Sign Wood as the closer. if he does need time off, you have a couple of spares on hand.
SIgn GUardado as a lfety option (who has also closed) and set up guy.
rest of pen can be parnell/smith/anyone else laying around.
wood
street
hoffman
Guardado
smith
parnell (or stokes) – long guy/swing man, can start in a pinch
LOOGY? someother live arm (maybe a fireballer from rule 5?
Best thing about this? You only lose 1 draft pick (for Teix), and nothing important for Street. The rest are just numbers on a contract. And the pen probably isn’t too expensive.
ANd if they miss out on teix, no picks and no big prospects lost.
Come on, tell me that isn’t way better then last years pen? You can’t!
You also trade Delgado for some pitching help or additonal prospects.