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24 free-agents were offered salary arbitration, including Juan Cruz, Brian Fuentes, Orlando Hudson, Raul Ibanez, Derek Lowe, Manny Ramirez, Francisco Rodriguez and Jon Garland.
By offering arbitration, assuming he does not accept the one-year offer, if the player leaves to sign with a new team, that new team will owe the old team at least one compensatory draft pick.
The Mets offered salary arbitration to Oliver Perez. However, they did not offer arbitration to Luis Ayala and Moises Alou.
Additionally, Adam Dunn, Pat Burrel and Bobby Abreu, as well as Andy Pettitte, Joe Beimel, Randy Wolf and Kerry Wood, were not offered arbitration, meaning they will not cost their new team a draft pick.
…i find it interesting that arbitration was not extended to dunn, abreu and burrell, which means their teams made a calculated decision suggesting these players could have so few enticing options on the open market that they’d be willing to accept a one-year deal…in other words, what is going on in the outfielder’s market…at the same time, these players will become slightly more attractive now that their new team does not have to part with draft picks in exchange for signing them…
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I think it makes Kerry Wood a better option.
I like Woods as a closer … a lot. I would not have a problem if we ended up with him.
kerry would for free is still not a better option than K-Rod. K-Rod is that much better than any other option
Just one typo there. While Garland was offered arbitration, he will not cost the signing team a pick as he is a type B FA.
no juan cruz please.. get ben sheets k-rod and trade delgado to bring in teixeira.. thanks.
LOL. You make things sound so simple.
And now that Sheets cost us a pick, I am not so sure. Only if he comes short term and cheap.
lol, yeah, but if we’re losing perez doesn’t that allow us to sign 3 type free agent A?
We can sign about 5-6 type A’s. That’s just a myth about the limits. There are way too many FA on the market for it to matter. It’s just if it’s going to cost us a pick I want it to be a sure thing like Tex or Krod.
Exactly, i’ve been praying for that, i mean look at the market, no offense to darren oliver but he’s a type A free agent!! i don’t know how that can be possible, if we get vasquez in a trade, get sheets,k-rod we can just use delgado to get someone (2b, lf, bullpen) then go all out for TEIXEIRA. that i think would put us over the hump.. or we can always get putz and sign woods.. either way the bullpen would be solidify you know..
Alex you are always way out there. However, if your plan revolves around our big signing being Tex and trading Delgado I am all for it.
That gives you more options.
Go with Wood and Guardado. Trade for Street.
That cost you
20 for Tex
10 for Wood
3 for Guardado (at the Most)
5? for Street
-12 for Delgado
That’s 26 million.
You still have plenty to spend on a SP.
Im not sure what kind of contract street gets but I thought the mets only had around 25 to 30 million dollars of payroll to play with.
That did not include the 12 to Delgado. They had about 42-48 coming into the offseason.
Yeah just sign 3 type A and deal delgado… who has less value than you’d think. that would cost us $50m for the next 5 years. no thanks
Actually considering what the Sox want for Dye, I would think that Delgado has more value than you think.
I still think we should jump in the Tex market and trade Delgado. As for Krod and Sheets, Krod is fine but again if Sheets is costing a pick and 15 million a year, no thanks.
Besides with your count you forgot to subtract Delgado’s 12 million.
I’m with you thereal … Tex is the best long term option on the FA market and he makes the Mets team better instantly. And yes, Delgado would have plenty of value. Especially if you sign Tex … teams will have a need for Delgado with Tex off the market.
The market for Delgado won’t be huge. However, I would think the following teams would be interested.
Angels
Rays
Jays
O’s
Any others?
Yeah you won’t get a killing for him but you’d get something pretty good.
I know you won’t agree with me but I still think you can put Seattle on that list. I read or heard a quote somewhere a couple weeks ago saying that the GM there doesn’t view the team as rebuilding.
SF Giants might also be an option.
Didn’t they find their 1B of the future?
As for Seattle, I would imagine it would only be a salary for salary exachange with them and that’s not good enough. Something like Washburn for Delgado just won’t work. If for some reason they were dumb enough to do Putz for Delgado then sure.
I didn’t pay attention … who is their 1B of the future. I was thinking a guy like Molina back for Delgado but if they have a 1B then it won’t work.
Yes, I think the Seattle GM is pretty dumb. It’s worth at least a try.
Thank you Alex and thereal, Tex is the #1 FA out there for a reason. He needs to be Omar’s main priority. There are lots of options for closers, SPers and LFers. If we can get Tex then the rest of the chips will fall in place nicely.
I’ve written some posts about it on mets4tex.wordpress.com
Trade delgado and 2 million dollars and a prospect for sonnanstine. Get street for hielman plus. Sign krod and tex to backloaded deals where they make maybe 11 or 12 the first year for krod and 16 or 17 the first year for tex. That would leave the mets with 10 to 12 million to spend on a pitcher. Probally more like 10 million if you factor in the difference of what street makes compared to hielman. I like the idea of trading for a guy like marquis. He’ll be cheap and he’d leave you some money for another bullpen arm or a guy like grudzy,eckstein, rivera or loretta.
KRod, Ibanez, Oliver P since he won’t apparently break the bank and is younger with a much higher upside than Vasquez and Garland and will be cheaper AND much younger than Lowe and unlike Sheets, Ollie can pitch 6 weeks without getting hurt, and then give the Rockies what they want for Street to set up and we’re done.
Maybe Murph can be a supersub, play some 1B, some 2B, and play first in 2010 and we can get one more year out of Delgado, as he will be playing for another contract with impending free agency.
Please spare me the too many lefty bat argument, as that doesn’t mean anything. At all. At least not to GMs and people in baseball.
And I love Tex, but it is just very, very unlikely.
OK, we are done, we can all get ready for the Nets tonight, as they continue their surge to the top.
While Ollie does have a higer upside than Vasquez he can’t go the innings that he does.
I would much rather have Vasquez for 2 years 22 million and the 2 picks from Perez than to Have Perez for 4/48 and no picks.
I can’t really argue with that….I love Ollie’s potential, but it may have reached its peak in 2004 and 2007. But if we had KRod and Street/Putz to set up, we could afford and probably get a lot more good bullpen innings than the last 2 years….
kingman, there’s something strange about you and your love for ibanez.. jk.
Although Tex may be unlikely, it just makes so much sense it kills me.
LOL! Well, full disclosure—I did live in Seattle for the decade of the 90s, so I follow them too as a distant 2nd favorite team…Ibanez would just be so much cheaper and such a shorter term deal, he is from NY, would probably love to have a chance at a ring, is a great guy by all accounts, and has put up really good numbers for horrid teams the last few years. And he made like 5.5 mil last year, so would cost SO much less per year than Manny, Dunn or Tex.
But, again, I would LOVE to have Tex as another anchor on this team. I just doubt it will happen.
That explains alot.
With so many teams going after Ibanez, he’s going to have a high price.
Ibanez would be a great pickup if it were the decade of the 90s.
Wrong. But thanks for trying to say something intelligent!
PS–Check out what Ibanez did in the 90s….
Meaning that his career was ahead of him, not behind him. But thanks for trying to appreciate subtlety.
Well, a careful look at his career does seem to show that he is in the very middle of his prime and was a late-bloomer. He has had many of his best numbers the last 3 years. Career highs in G, H, 2B, and OBP last year.
It doesn’t really make sense to think his career is behind him just because he is 36.
Baseball America has a full list of Type A & B free agents, and how signings affect the draft order.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/ask-ba/2008/267236.html
nice link nate
This draft pick talk has to stop. This is one of the most popular baseball blogs on the Internet, and it is a constant source of false information.
For Type B free agents, like Jon Garland, mentioned above, no team loses a draft pick. MLB manifests a draft pick for the team losing him, which they receive in the supplemental first round. If the Mets signed Jon Garland, they would not lose a draft pick. Zero.
Then we have this:
“if the player leaves to sign with a new team, that new team will owe the old team at least one compensatory draft pick.”
No. The greatest number of picks a team can lose for signing a Type A free agent is one. The team losing the player gains two draft picks, but one is in the supplemental round.
This happens all the time here. A team does NOT lose two draft picks for signing a Type A free agent, and a team loses NO draft picks for signing a Type B free agent.
That’s right. You tell em Joey P!
It’s almost as bad as those who say we can’t sign but 2 type A FA.
You can’t give up a pick that does not exist yet. LOL.
I sent Matt an email about this. I think I’ve done this 2 or 7 times before… maybe he will read it this time.
Well I did get a reply, seems he’s just confused and trying to relay it in more basic terms to avoid errors.
Hopefully the readers get it one way or another.
The funny thing is that I was reading an Angels blog yesterday which listed metsblog as having a great write up on draft picks.
I really don’t see why we are not mentioned more with Tex. I know it’s a long contract and lots of money but what do we need more? He will only cost 4 million more than Delgado did last year. It’s not going to burden our payroll that much. 8/160 is fine by me.
Plus to me it allows for a cheaper solution in LF as well.
Reyes, Church, Wright, Tex, Beltran, Murphy, Schnieder/Castro, Castillo is a decent lineup with it’s core 6 young or in their prime.
Tex cost us 8 million more from our payroll and we get what ever players Delgado brings us back. Thus imagine if we could get Sonnanstine for Delgado and 2 million.
Hopefully Omar is playing a really good game of possum.