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According to Joel Sherman, in a post to his blog for the New York Post, the Mets intend to a) acquire a front-end starting pitcher, b) also acquire a fifth starter, but c) give Jon 
Niese a chance to win the job in spring training.
In fact, Omar Minaya told reporters the above gameplan while at the GM Meetings in California last month.
That said, Sherman suggests the Mets look at Cubs RHP Jason Marquis, M’s LHP Jarrod Washburn and Tigers RHP Nate Robertson, all of whom will be available, to compete with Niese.
The Red Sox and Tigers had been discussing a potential swap of Dontrelle Willis or Robertson for Julio Lugo, but the deal is now ‘unlikely,’ according to the Boston Herald.
“How about Scott Schoeneweis and Marlon Anderson for Marquis,” asks Sherman.
“That would save the Cubs $5.1 million and essentially give the Mets a dependable fifth starter for $5.1 million.”
…actually, my sense is the Mets will wait on finding a back-end starter, let the off-season play out, see what prices drop, like maybe Jon Garland, while monitoring the trade market, such as Javier Vazquez, and seeing if any interesting pitchers are non-tendered and 
added to the free-agent pile…
…from what i can gather, the Mets have shown a slight interest in garland, who is seeking a long-term deal…
By the way, last off-season, the Cubs were shopping Marquis, and had interest in OF Endy Chavez, reported the Daily News.
…from what i recall, the Mets inquired about marquis during the 2006 season, and had checked in on him again as a free agent, but their interest was minimal at best…
The 30–year-old Marquis has won at least 10 games and pitched at 190 inning in each of the last five seasons, while posting a 4.58 ERA, during which opponents hit .261 against him.
I don’t understand why we would trade for a guy like Marquis or bring in Garland over bringing in a guy like Wolf who’s better and a lefty.
Depends on contract demands. If some how we could pull of the deal for Marquis then it would be 1 year 5 million. Wolf will certainly make more than that for more years.
I don’t particularly like Wolf. Yes he’s a Lefty, but he’s also a guy who hasn’t made 20 starts in a season since 2004 except last year. Also his Career BAA is only .010 lower then Marquis and his WHIP is only .07 lower. Over the last 4 years it’s identical and he has made 76 Starts and threw 428 innings. Marquis on the other hand has made 158 starts and has thrown 960 innings. Sorry I’ll pa$S on a guy who can’t make 20 starts.
Marquis wouldn’t be great, but as a 5th starter I wouldn’t mind him, especially if they can deal Show and Marlon Anderson for him. Wow. Do that and the Street Deal then my bullpen dream is almost a reality. Then you’d only need to sign a Close, Starter, and one or 2 middle relief guys. You could still have money to Upgrade the OF.
Love how my post gets booted for writing P-A-$-S
If they can get marquis for a deal similiar to the one mentioned above I’m fine with that. Marquis is usually pretty healthy and besides last season is a big time innings eater. Wolf had his first healthy season in about a half a decade and will cost twice as much in years and money then marquis. I’d be happy if the mets rounded out the rotation with sonnanstine and marquis. We would have money to adress other needs besides starter and bullpen.
Underscore, “innings-eater” which is the primary objective of your 5th starter. Marquis fits that fine..
would the cubs trade marquis for show and anderson, you think?
that wouldn´t be a bad deal.
If the Cubs actually consider doing it, then it means their scouts haven’t seen Schoeneweis pitch.
I don’t get this hate for Show and the Love for Feliciano on these boards.
Show actually was more effective against lefties and righties then Feliciano was. Yet everyone hates him but loves Feliciano. It wasn’t even close
Show against lefties:
29.2IP | 18H | 3HR | 6BB | 25K | 0.81WHIP | .178 BAA
Feliciano against lefties
29.1IP | 22H | 2HR | 8BB | 34K | 1.02WHIP | .210 BAA
Against Righties they both stunk but Show’s WHIP was .2 better and his BAA was .024 better.
I don’t get it.
For what it’s worth, I can’t stand either one of them.
i actually am a FAN of show believe it or not lol…yeah, he’s let us down, but he’s misused..he’s a TRUE loogy, and with the lefty heavy lineup in philly, and just lefty power hitters in general, if he’s used properly, like mike stanton or arthur rhodes have been, he can be very effective…
Cuz show killed us on the most important day of the season. Plus he looked like he was on drugs afterwards.
Show is horrible…check out the inherited runner stats….I agree with Chan Ho and would trade him for a pack of bubble gum or a small bag or pretzels (twists or rods.)
And look at Show’s entire career—he is probably one of the very worst pitchers to ever have made this many millions. He is good at getting SOME lefties out. But certainly not good ones in big spots.
Oh don’t get me wrong i want them both gone along with Heilman, Delgado and Castillo. If you can get a SP for Endy Chavez. Move him also, he’s a defensive replacement at best.
I too dislike Feliciano more than Show. Feliciano did not have many runners to score because he came in faced 1 LHB walked him and was taken out. How many times did we see that this year?
Why the love for Feliciano and not Schoeneweis? Simple. Feliciano has had very good success as a Met in his career. Schoeneweis stunk from the get go.
Bingo!!
The Cubs would consider moving him, because he ended the year in the Bullpen. Is making $9.875M in 2009 to be a Long Reliever.
Currently they have:
C. Zambrano
R. Dempster
R. Harden
T. Lilly
J. Marquis
J. Samardzija
S. Marshall
In their starting Rotation. So if they Dump salary in a movie trading Marquis it opens up a spot for Marshall or Samardzija.
Not to mention I think Peavy will be a Cub
I don’t see how he could be. There farm system is failry barren after Vitters, or w/e the 3rd basemens name is. And I think they’d be silly to move someone like him with so many backloaded contracts and so many old players.
Just a note to the gentleman above…if the point of the cubs is dumping salary, they probably don’t want to bring in a mid reliever who makes as much as Schow.
It saves them 5 million dollars for this season. Show makes 3.05 and Anderson makes just over 1 while Marquis makes as i stated 9.875.
So yes it does make sense for them to do.
Also I listed 7 pitchers they deem as Starting Pitchers. SO i don’t see where this issue arises. They would have plenty of Starting pitching possibilities. Plus they have the guy they had in the Majors to start the year last year in AAA. I can’t remember his name.
Maybe he was a flash in the pan, but I am actually intrigued by Dontrelle right now, especially if we can get him when his stock is so love. I still think he would thrive in New York. What was the contract he signed with Detroit after the trade last year?
I was thinking the same thing. He has some good tools, he’s young, he could thrive possible returning to the NL, and he has the excitement to succeed in NY.
I’d be interested for the right price.
Only if it is next to nothing and the Tigers pick up a lot of his salary. The thing is, he completely lost his control last year. When I say lost his control, I’m talking about Rick Ankiel 2000 levels. In 2008 with the Tigers, he pitched 24 innings and walked 35 batters. That is not a typo. 35 in 24 innings. Something is majorly wrong.
as long as we don’t get robertson..i think his BAA last year was something astronomical like .360…he’s one of those pitchers u look at initially and say “yeah, i’ll take a chance on him” but once u get him or look a lil deeper, he’s a train wreck…i’ll take marquis if all else fails…
this team just needs to SPEND MONEY this year…trade for vazquez, re-sign ollie or sign sheets, trade for street, sign K-rod, sign another bullpen arm (every day eddie, biemel, howry), and see if you can trade delgado and sign texiera. This team needs to step up, not step sideways with guys like garland and marquis….because after seeing philly win, it makes me SICK just THINKING about those fans in our new stadium this year…we’re gonna have NOTHING to say to them…NOTHING…so lets make a statement NOW in the offseason
Dontrelle signed a 3yr/30mm extension after the trade to Detroit. That’s a lot to pay for a guy who’s 10-17 with a 5.66 ERA, and a 1.67 WHIP that past 2 years…
Sounds like they’re saving money on pitching to go after Tex.
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Teixeira!
good luck with that.
I don’t disagree…but sadly I’m realistic.
I’m not. I’m a BELIEVER!
Wrong pic, Matt. That’s Ryan Dempster!
Ugh…even the rumors are boring. I hope Omar’s patient strategy pays off because this waiting around and doing nothing is killing me.
I would be moving in aggressively on K-Rod at this point. I don’t’ want to settle for the scraps left over after the aggressive teams are done. Fuentes lost his job in Colorado, do you really think he can handle the NY pressure?
no I don’t think he will be our closer…Krod is our first choice no doubt about it. Fuentes is a bargaining tool and a decent fall-back option if Krod becomes unreasonable. And judging by his agent, I don’t think he becomes unreasonable.
Who are the “aggressive” teams you refer to? I can’t seem to remember anybody making a move so far, other than the Holliday trade, and Affeldt going to the Giants…
Who is this front-end SP they are talking about? Yes we def need one, but who are they targeting. They have shown no interest in meeting the demands for Burnett and Lowe is attracting many suitors, including his former employer in Boston. It won’t be easy to acquire one of those two. So let’s say we do not, who are we gonna go after? Ollie would be the only other FA SP in that tier. Otherwise we will have to look into the trade market, and I’m not sure thats an easy solution.
I’m not worried about the back-end yet, but I think we should and will sign/acquire a dependable veteran to start the season as the no5. Niese should not be handed the 5 spot, he should have to earn it and worst-case starts the year in AAA as depth. As we have seen the past few years, we will need a 6th,7th, or (hopefully not) 8th SP at some point in the season.
Maybe it is time to give Aaron a shot as no5.
i think he will get his shot. it’s just going to be with another team.
Oakland or Texas
Heilman got his shot….twice….enough, this point has been overplayed so much for a guy who was given two opportunities to be a starter and failed both times….once when eh was called up and when he lost out to Bannister…
If you could not beat Brian Bannister than you should not be a starter in MLB, PERIOD. Bannister is one of the bottom 5% of SP’s in MLB.
I’m not sure how you prove that stat, but it’s certainly not correct.. he had one great year (Bannister) and a tough year last year…
He faces much better lineups over there then he did in the NL.. he’s young and cheap…
If you put him on waivers he would get claimed in about 3 seconds
The funny thing is … he did beat Bannister in spring training. The Mets still chose to stick him in the pen. Don’t use facts or anything…
Bannister actually registered a slightly better ERA than Heilman did in Spring Training ‘06 (though both were excellent). At that point, Heilman’s ‘05 success in the ‘pen came into play.
ERA was so close it was a wash. Heilman won the job and didn’t get it. Mets already had their mind made up before he even competed for it.
and then people wonder why Heilman hates being here
If Heilman WON the job….then how come he wasnt the starter?!?!?! you guys use some facts….
If you are gonna play that game…here’s one for you….Heilman won the closers job last year but they just GAVE it to Wagner…
and what was Bannisters GREAT year? the guy was bad both years in KC and he was subpar as a Met….but dont worry remind everyone how he started 2-0 last year and Heilman pitched a 1 hitter and then just disregard all the stats that don’t prove your argument…..yeesh
OK…he wasnt terrible in 07, but he wasnt good either…look atthe game logs, that where his low ERA came from, most games his ERA was above what the Mets offsense could put up.
I think you need some therapy to work through that anger you have.
By the way, your Heilman-Wagner comparison is totally ridiculous.
they let Heilman start in ST with the idea that if he pitched great he could start. instead Bannister pitched great as well so they kept heilman in the bullpen and used Bannister.
if it wasnt for Bannister’s ST Heilman would have been a starter.
I don’t get people who talk like the Mets never gave Heilman a chance. He had his chances. After given the guy a few chances to start and evaluating the situation the Mets feel that the guy is not a good starter and better in the bullpen. I don’t get why some fans defend this guy so much and make it out like the Mets screw him.
None of that matters anyway since he is going to be traded. He has never came up big for the Mets at all. He had a good 2006 but there was never any pressure on him since the Mets ran away with the division. When the pressure was on he did not come through. He was horrible down the stretch in 2007 and bad all of 2008. Blame it on an injury or whatever I don’t care the bottom line is he was terrible. If he was hurt so bad that his ERA was over 5 well then he should have said something so the Mets could have ran someone else out there who had a better shot of getting the job done then he did.
And spring training does not mean to much. I have seen lots of people have great springs and then disappear. It made much more sense for Heilman to be in the Pen in 2006 because he showed he can pitch decent in the Pen something Bannister did not show at all. So the only way Heilman was going to start in 2006 was if Bannister totally stunk in Spring Training which he didn’t.
It’s actually a well covered subject that would take a lot of time to explain to you, if you really don’t understand. I don’t have the time or the energy. Leave it at that.
Good go be a Rockies fan so next year when Heilamn is getting lit up as a starter you can defend him and blame it on Coors Field.
LOL … typical response. “Go be a Rockies fan”. Good one … have not heard that on here before.
Just look at the trade value of Aaron Heilman and what it was … then ask yourself if you’re happy about how the Mets handled him, start to finish.
If you like what you’re going to get for him, great. You’re entitled to your opinion. Doesn’t change the fact that the Mets screwed up big time and could have gotten much more a long time ago in a trade.
…anyhow, usually when there is an ongoing debate about something for a long time, it’s probably because there is legitimate points on both sides of the argument. Think about that the next time you wonder, “I don’t get people that……. “
Legitimate debate? Not really I here most people talk about how Heilman is not to blame and they think if the Mets keep him next season he will have a bounce back year in the pen. Don’t here to many people talk about how we never gave him a fair chance in the rotation.
How did the Mets handle him wrong? What by not starting him? The Mets handled him fine because for there team he was best suited for the bullpen not the rotation. What should they have traded him a few years back just because he had higher value and was crying about wanting to start? That would have made no sense because he was pitching good in the bullpen. He had a terrible year this year so how is that the Mets fault? He still has high trade value. Me like most people thought why trade him last offseason because he can be ok in the bullpen which he was not.
I am fine the way the Mets handled him because he is not a good starter never proved to be when given the chance (oh yea sorry he proved it one spring training back in 2006) and was better for this team in the bullpen, pitched really bad this year, he wants out, most Met fans want him out so its time to say bye bye to your boy Heilman.
Your defending the guy like the Mets totally screwed him over and I don’t see it at all.
It is a legitimate debate. You just think you’re right and everyone else is wrong, that’s all. As far as what you hear … maybe you only hear what you want to hear.
The Mets mishandled him by not trading him when they should have. 2 years ago … when they knew he wanted to start and his value was high. DUH.
I’m not defending anyone. I’m stating my opinion, which is the Mets screwed up. I’m glad you like what they will get for him in a trade now, though.
How is that mishandling him? So every player that that wants to start if they don’t get the chance to they should be traded? That makes no sense.
He was performing very well in there bullpen so why would they trade him just because he wanted to start? DUH … you make allot of sense with that one. Trade every player who wants to perform a different role on the team then they already are. Hey I heard Beltran did not like getting dropped in the order last year for a little bit lets trade him.
Some people are able to look ahead and evaluate a situation, unlike you. It would have been in everyone’s best interest to move him then … get a good return. Mid 06 he was in a deal for Roy Oswalt. The deal fell through, but you get the idea. If they would have moved on that in the offseason before 07 … they could have gotten a substantial return.
Now … because of people with the mentality like yours … we will get very little for him.
“Hey I heard Beltran did not like getting dropped in the order last year for a little bit lets trade him.”
You look foolish. Just stop.
Anyone know anything about John Smoltz?
Will he be ready for Spring training. IF so, i will give him a shot.
Smoltz will still be a Brave. It’s just why would they offer him arbitration and be stuck paying him 12+ milllion while he could still be injured?
yea, I don’t see him coming to the Mets at all…but that would be very comical…glavine comes to NY, returns to reunite with Smoltz and braves, year later, Smoltz comes to NY.
nah…he’s white…we don’t do that here….haha jk jk
We can hope that there are offices dumber than the Mets’ who will probably gobble up some of the dumber deals. The issue is that Bavasi is gone, Wade and Sabean won’t be around for long, and Coletti is going to wear out his welcome fairly soon. The unfortunate part is that Omar isn’t feeling any heat. Coletti’s about to lose Manny and again show the world why he’s a dunce. Bowden and Riccardi always hear the calls for their heads; Omar has a spankin’ new 4 year extension.
Soon, some of these guys will get the axe, and Omar will be one of the 3 worst GMs in baseball. He’ll then be the one doing the deals that make life easier for the Billy Beanes of this world.
Omar is a fine GM, besides his Castillo signing i dont see any other real bad moves
well i think the matt lindstrom/Henry Owens for Jason Vargas/Adam Bostick is another bad move…if for no other reason, lindstrom was in the futures game, had great potential, and would’ve really help out last year, maybe the difference in a couple of those blown bullpen games..and could’ve easily stepped in when wags went down..but other wise, yes, im an omar supporter to the fullest
Really?!, Alou, Duque, Mota?
alou was a hitting machine but he couldnt stay on the field. He batted over .340 as a met
same goes for El-Duque. he had a 3.72 ERA in 07
El Duque we traded for Julio to get him and when he pitched for us he was great. I don’t see how that was a bad move and Alou was not a bad move at all. Maybe bringing him back last year with no back up plan was not to smart but Tatis and Murphy and Evans worked out fine.
Mota was a bad move I must say but overall I think Omar does a fine job for the Mets. I have a feeling we will all be pleased by the moves he makes this offseason. Everyone kills him for the bad moves he makes but I mean every GM makes bad moves just look at Cashman Jesus that guy singed more horrible contracts then any GM I can think of
Correction, Alou was a terrible move.Signing then
resigning a 40y/o non-steroid guy who had missed
about five total seasons(in his prime)due to injury
to hit in the middle of our order and expect production?-Resigning Duque(for two)years at his
(still unknown)age after helping in cause us to lose
in the playoffs because he cant walk fron the pen w/o hurting something?C’mon!–Omar has spent a
quarter billion–Thats BILLION dollars on payroll
the last two seasons while down the stretch both
years we had to depend on retreads and scrap-heap players to push/carry us BUT Omar hasn’t
done a bad job?
Plus, last I checked Cashman won 4 rings in the
Bronx as GM.b/t/w that would be four more than
the great billy beane has won playoff series out
in Oaktown.
How about failing to find legitimate plan b’s for a team with so many injury prone players.
Thank You Gina.
Trading away hard throwing Matt Lindstrom for Jason Vargas hasn’t worked out (thus far anyway). And not resigning Chad Bradford and Darren Oliver were mistakes as he had to pay the same contract to Schoeneweis to offset the loss of Bradford when Bradford was a much better pitcher.
Wait, What about the Heath Bell Trade for Ben Johnson, Or the Brugos trade for bannister, Can’t forget bout those 2
Heath Bell would have really really helped the Mets this year. He put up really good numbers in SD.
Amen. And again,last year Castillo, Alou and Duque
earned nearly the salaries of the entire TB Ray or
Marlin team while contributing nothing.
Easy on Heath Bell, he had his chances here and never took advantage. I don’t think he would ever flourish if he had stayed in NY. Not sure if it was Willie, Peterson, the city, teammates, etc etc but he never seemed comfortable.
He also traded away Jeff Keppinger, Who is a really good 2B, and showed he can hit.
i stand by the heath bell trade as being good at the time…how quick mets fans forget he had MILD success here in NY..YES, he was sent up and down, but he had chances. Everyoen always says “hey lets get this guy or that guy, maybe a change or scenery will help”…well, u cant have it one way and not the other…he just needed a change of scenery…ben johnson had potential, and at least adkins was a MLB ready reliever….
burgos for bannister is a good trade, UP until burgos became an thugged out outlaw…i’ll always take a young flamethrowing future closer over a on the bubble FIFTH starter…he simply had more potential and at the time, we were trading from STRENGTH to add to a weakness…you cant just look at the guys and say “bad or good trade”…u have to look at the ENTIRE situation…
also, people tend to forget that we didnt sign bradford because we were “saving money” for a run at Zito…bradford signed elsewhere, zito got that ridiculous contract, and we signed the next “best available” reliever in Show….
again, look at the ENTIRE spectrum….
if anyone or anything is to blame, its the mets’ unwillingness to REALLY raise payroll..yes we’re high and have gone up throughout the years, but this team needs to break the bank AGAIN like we did when we got beltran and pedro…thats whats most frustrating
And Omar has no Idea What “Catching lightning in a
bottle” means. Hence, Fat ,New contracts to the
likes of Valentin,Mota,Alou,Castillo,Anderson etc..
Not to mention,Julio Franco. Hey isn’t that our young
Catching prospect Flores behind the plate down in DC?–Yeah,Great moves Don Omar, The Teflon GM.
WHAT chance did Heath Bell get here?
Called-up, pitch ten days later, sit then pitch a week
later in a blow out, then sit and get sent down
because some overpaid,often injured millionaire
is set to come off the DL??
Look at how many games and innings he got. Again, maybe he MIGHT have done well. Maybe not. It looked like his celling was about what we got in Adkins.
What!?–Adkins wasnt even Omars focus there.
It was the great ben Johnson. And lord knows
we need him at the time especially w/Millage &
Gomez in front of him in the system.
the Milledge trade was awful
heath bell for adkins and ben johnson
Ownes/Lindstrom for Vargas and Bostick
and standing pat a the 08 deadline was nothing short of mind boggling
Indeed.
I dont know if the Milledge trade was that bad, I was never high on Milledge anyway.
Church really played well when he was in the lineup.
the mets didnt have a good enough team to win the WS so trading our top prospects for a rental made no sense
milledge was too ghetto and noone on the team including the black manager and black bench coach could stand him.
the mets got a better player in Church and a solid catcher.
if church stayed healthy he probably would have had .280 18-24 HR and 70-80 RBI
Yeah, and IF I picked the right six numbers, I’d have
already won lotto millions by now.
Standing pat in 2008 what did you want him to do? Give away every dam prospect we have to get Street? I mean you people say he did nothing like a) he was not trying to do anything and b) like it was that easy for him to go out and trade for a top RP without given away our very few top prospects like Neise and F-Mart.
Good point. Lets say last year he had to trade Heilman, Niese and Evans for Street. Now he might get him for Heilman and Feliciano. Nice job.
damn real stop being such an appologist geez…we all know OMAR IS THE WORST GM EVER!!!! He does nothing to help this team what so ever…stop with the excuses real please….lmaoo ;p
what Omar’s record as Mets GM again???
Agreed. This is what makes life as a Met fan Sooooo frustrating. Instead of being involved w/any of the high-end
FAs, Omar’s already looking through the bargain bin.
WE NEED ANOTHER FRONT END PITCHER.
Not an often injured question mark Who we Hope will stay
healthy. And Omar, WE NEED A RIGHTY corner OF Bat.
Its great Ibanez is a good guy But if we’re gona sign an aging OFer why not Manny? And if we’re gonna load up
another Lefty bat, Why not Dunn? B/T/W Heilmann already
got his chances to be a Starter and showed he can’t do it
nor can he Close And at this point I wouldn’t trust him in
the 8th inning.
I think the Mets would be hard after Dunn if it were not for the fact that they do not like how he hits with RISP, and his K’s. I think Dunn makes great sense now considering not too many GM’s seem to want to buy in on him and that draft picks won’t be sacrificed.
I have questions about Dunn too. But for 2/3 years
and no draft pick w/the ability to play first whatever
happens down the road w/Delgado seems like
Omar should atleast be taking a long look.
I think Reyes,Dunn,Wright,Bel-Tron,Delgado is
a pretty nasty top five in the order.
His low avg with RISP is overblown. Look at his ops. He scored as many runs, either himself or with rbi’s, as Derek Jeter did last year and Jeter hit over .300 with RISP. Hitting for high avg with RISP doesn’t mean anything if it’s an empty avg. I’ll take a guy who hits .240 with a .360+ OBP and a .550+ slg% with RISP over a guy who hits an empty .300 every day.
i would have no problem with Heilman given a chance at the #5 SP, although i’d rather trade him in a deal to get Street
How about Russ Springer for the bullpen? He’s been a rock solid set-up man over the years for the Cardinals. Springer is ranked as a Type A free agent, but he was not offered arbitration yesterday. In addition, Jason Isringhausen was not offered arbitration either. I wonder if Izzy would be healthy for next season and be willing to pitch in relief. Springer, though, would be a tremendous pick-up.
Also, from what I’ve read, the D’Backs were looking into a possible two year deal with Adam Dunn before the arbitration deadline. Ultimately, they moved on and could not get things done. The Nationals have also shown interest in a two year deal as well. I think the Mets can certainly line up an offer here, good opportunity.
I do wonder though how much of Springer’s success has been related to having Dave Duncan as his pitching coach.
Mets can’t afford to trade Endy (especially if they can’t get a left fielder for next year)
What?!?—You talkin’ ’bout Endy Chavez, MAYBE a 5th OFer
on a good team?
Chan Ho & Mets Fan, Omar seems like the only GM
that doesn’t abide by “You Don’t trade young-Hard Throwers” as everyone else in this game has for a
century. Well, I guess he knows better?
Aren’t you the same guy killing Omar for trading Bannister and his 82 mph fastball for Burgos?
Way to stay consistent.
Not me.
Endy Chavez plays defense well enough to be a starting CF on an average team despite his sub-par bat. His offense, by the way, is underrated. He’s a very “handle with care” player on offense. You have to keep him fresh w/o exposing him. Give him about 400ABs in a season and he’ll give you a .270/.320/.380 line with the best OF defense in baseball.
NO. No, Endy plays defense well enough to Start
on a really bad team.
In other words, he makes Coco Crisp look like Manny Ramirez. He’s a backup that isn’t meant to start more then a couple days a week.
Endy is a highly underrated borderline starting CF and an exceptional 4th outfielder. Coco Crisp is a slightly better version of the same thing. More offense; less defense.
Endy is good but can you carry him and Pagan on the bench? If not then who gives you more? That’s a tough decision to me. It may come down to who can get you more in a trade as either would be a waste at AAA.
Two Words!
“THE CATCH”
Two words “OLD NEWS”
My point is you cant replace is defense late in games, or his speed. He has proven himself valuable to this team in many ways.
And if i remember correctly, He did have a pinch hit homer this year.
Four More, So what,We lost.
His defense is great but his bat is so bad that he can’t even really be used to pinch hit. Pagan’s defense is average and bat is average. To me that makes him more useful.
His first two years with the Mets he proved he could hit. I think the lack of playing time really did not help his offense. In 2006 when beltran got hurt and Endy was playing everyday his offense was really good.
I think offensively, Endy is much better than what he did this past season.
Angel Pagan’s offensive numbers are not really better than Endy’s.
Look, Endy seems like a nice guy BUT “exceptional”
4thOFer? C’mon, He couldn’t start w/the friggin’Royals or the Expos or Nats Or even hold
a bench job in Philly at a time when none of these
teams were any good.
Look, no one wants him to start 155 games in the OF next year. But he is valuable to the Mets coming off the bench. He is our 4th OF. nothing more. and IMO a decent one.
Not true. Endy could start in centerfield for some teams. Thats how good he is defensively.
One of the problems is we keep going to camp with too many “Endy-like” players. We need a few guys on the bench that can actually hit a homer or two..
No the problem is we have too many bench players who aren’t good at anything. Defense or offense. Endy, Tatis, and Castro if he wasnt hurt every other week, is a pretty good bench, the problems were guys like Easley and Anderson, and the 3rd and 4th catchers we were carrying who didn’t do anything well.
thats why i advocate signing Daryle Ward to replace Marlon Anderson
Indeed, we went to camp with too many players like Marlon Anderson (their names were Marlon Anderson) not too many players like Endy Chavez.
We also went to camp with too many people whose names were Luis Castillo and went home therefore with one more Reyes than was necessary or advisable.
marlon anderson……….a waste….
According to MLB traderumors Dunn may only get a 2 year offer from his suitors. If we came in with at 2 year deal with a 3rd year option that would most likely do it. Something like 2/24 with at 14 million dollar option and 2 million dollar buyout?
And Again, We have NO interest??
How do you know we have no interest? Because Omar called you and said, :”We have no interest”?
Well,no, because Omar said last-year he had no interest. And because despite the fact that if you look
hard enough you can find a rumor on just about
any player–Theres nothing linking Dunn w/The Mets.
We should start kicking the tires right about now. I am hoping Omar just wants to concentrate on pitching for now, and will revisit Mr. Dunn’s situation later.
Regarding pitching front end picthing……….I think its a great idea to have a strong number two to follow Johan. That said, is Lowe that guy? Lowe will come at a crazy price. I think A.J. Burnett would fit that mold perfectly, but he might be worth more than palatable. There aren’t many options next year with Haren being the headliner…..and not too many good lefties either. Just some food for thought. I guess once CC decides everything will fall into place. I hope is soon. CC’s camp has been pretty silent.
He is tempting but do not think that Minaya even looks Dunns way until after the pen/ rotation is settled….if he plans on bringing in 2 starters a premium closer and a set up man and only spend 25 million or so as has been reported…he is going to have to be creative about freeing up some cash before dropping 12-14 million a year on Dunn which is admittedly a good deal considering we do not have to give up a first round draft pick to sign him…
I saw that too, TRS86. Honestly, I’ve never been much of a Dunn fan myself. He seems to have too much of a hit or miss, guessing game approach at the plate, which isn’t necessarily of my liking. However, now, given the circumstances, I’ll gladly welcome Dunn aboard. He’ll give us some pop and would be a great six hitter for us in the lineup, as Matt alluded to in his post the other day.
Yeah, during the trade deadline Omar alluded to the fact that Dunn’s avaerage with RISP is pretty bad, and he used it in terms of clucthness, in addition to mentioning his distaste for his K’s.
If Omar actually thinks that way this team is going to have problems for a while.
and now that apparently we dont have to give a pick up for him…id say the mets should make a play at least.
Donkey Dunn is my choice if we don’t sign Sexy Tex.
niese is not ready. the bullpen will be destroyed by having yet another 5th starter who goe 3-5 innings for a month.
the mets need to add two good starters who can pitch into the 7th inning regularly.
Question to fellow fanatics, given the choice–Abreau
OR Dunn??
1. manny (if it’s a 2 year deal)
2. dye
3. abreu or dunn (the shorter contract, cheaper option. no more than 2 years for either)
Well thanks. Manny is of course my first choice
and i do think Dye(despite his age) is an excellant
fit But I have the sinking feeling Omar will throw a
3 yr contract at Abreau. For all the Dunn detractors
and again,I’m no great fan of his remember—
the phils flew past us(twice) with Howard and Burrell in the middle of their order. Neither guy hits
for ave.,strike-out 350times combined AND both are
well-below ave. fielders.
the question is who do u want up with the season on the line and Brad Lidge on the mound.
Dunn will strike out unless Lidge leaves a mistake pitch
Manny Ramirez, one of the most feared hitters of his generation and one of the best clutch players in the game
No doubt about manny who has been my favorite non-Met
for years(way to haunt the yankees) But I dont think the
Wilpons will let him anywhere near Flushing.
see; Ibanez is a “great-guy” comments.
Dunn’s obp with RISP was like .418 and .468 with RISP and 2 outs. So he’d be way less likely to make an out in a RISP situation than every other player on our team.
dunn cheap is interesting. Abreau is yuck, but if it was no more than 2 years, an OK stop gap. Or ibanez for 2 if yo udon’t mind the lost 1st round pick.
frankly I don’t really like any of them.
Marquis for Schoenweis + nothing of importance? Yeah, I do that. It does give some stability to the #5 hole, and is a s/t contract. Not like getting stuck with a Silva level palyer for 4 years! By 2010, Neise or even Holt could be all ready to take over the spot.
Still could give Heilmann the job though and likely get comparable output for 1/4 the cost, but hey, might be too radical an idea!
Also not sure who the other starter is. Lowe at huge $/years makes no sense. Wolf? Vazquez? Either one can fill out the rotation, but certainly isn’t a top tier guy.
Maybe Sheets, with Neise in the hole getting redy? Even if you get 24 starts from him, not a bad output. Just have better 6/7/8 optins!
And don’t count out Pedro coming back for the 5 hole spot. Might give you Marquis numbers, but can he pitch deep enough into games?
Santana
Sheets
Pelfrey
Maine
Marquis
LOoks good enough. Might be nice to have another lefty, but what can you do. Vazquez could also slot in there.
and from an earlier thread post, I want Teix! and this rotation is cheap enough to do it.
add wood/street/godado/hoffman for the pen, along with 3 cheap guys (smith/parnell/???).
Plenty of pitching, and only sheets and Teix cost picks. Sheets is an Ace for whatever innings he goes, and Teix solidifies the core for years to come.
I have no problem with a short series (as-suming oc course the y make the postseason) rotation of sheets/santana/pelfrey (or maine).
So far the 2 rumored met deals i would have done without blinking.
Heilman and Feliciano for Street, and now the Show and Anderson for Marquis.
Bam dump our useless bullpen arms for a 5th starter and a set-up guy. Automatically the bullpen is refreshed and completely overhauled. 3 guys gone and one new one in.
Sign K-Rod or Wood. I get more and more intrigued by Wood as time pa$$es. Fill out the bullpen with Lower Level guys. I like Eddie Guardado. And maybe another hard thrower. I personally would like to see Joe Smith start in AAA. He is amazing against right handers, but lefties he can’t get out at all. Let him develop the skills to get them out in the Minors, not the majors.
Transforms the bullpen, adds a 5th starter. All for an additional estimated 13 for Krod 10 for Wood and 5.5 or so for Marquis(after the show and anderson contracts are off the books). Still leaves money in the 30 million dollar estimated budget that has been thrown out there for another starting pitcher, or outfielder.