Comments on: Starting Pitcher: The Fifth Starter, plus Niese http://www.metsblog.com/2008/12/02/starting-pitcher-the-fifth-starter-plus-niese/ MetsBlog.com features the latest Mets rumors, player movement, and news circulating around the Internet, as well as Mets related insights and opinions by Matthew Cerrone and his team of guest bloggers. Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:48:15 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: mark4212 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/12/02/starting-pitcher-the-fifth-starter-plus-niese/#comment-395520 mark4212 Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:10:00 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/12/02/starting-pitcher-the-fifth-starter-plus-niese/#comment-395520 So far the 2 rumored met deals i would have done without blinking. Heilman and Feliciano for Street, and now the Show and Anderson for Marquis. Bam dump our useless bullpen arms for a 5th starter and a set-up guy. Automatically the bullpen is refreshed and completely overhauled. 3 guys gone and one new one in. Sign K-Rod or Wood. I get more and more intrigued by Wood as time pa$$es. Fill out the bullpen with Lower Level guys. I like Eddie Guardado. And maybe another hard thrower. I personally would like to see Joe Smith start in AAA. He is amazing against right handers, but lefties he can't get out at all. Let him develop the skills to get them out in the Minors, not the majors. Transforms the bullpen, adds a 5th starter. All for an additional estimated 13 for Krod 10 for Wood and 5.5 or so for Marquis(after the show and anderson contracts are off the books). Still leaves money in the 30 million dollar estimated budget that has been thrown out there for another starting pitcher, or outfielder. So far the 2 rumored met deals i would have done without blinking.

Heilman and Feliciano for Street, and now the Show and Anderson for Marquis.

Bam dump our useless bullpen arms for a 5th starter and a set-up guy. Automatically the bullpen is refreshed and completely overhauled. 3 guys gone and one new one in.

Sign K-Rod or Wood. I get more and more intrigued by Wood as time pa$$es. Fill out the bullpen with Lower Level guys. I like Eddie Guardado. And maybe another hard thrower. I personally would like to see Joe Smith start in AAA. He is amazing against right handers, but lefties he can’t get out at all. Let him develop the skills to get them out in the Minors, not the majors.

Transforms the bullpen, adds a 5th starter. All for an additional estimated 13 for Krod 10 for Wood and 5.5 or so for Marquis(after the show and anderson contracts are off the books). Still leaves money in the 30 million dollar estimated budget that has been thrown out there for another starting pitcher, or outfielder.

]]> By: mark4212 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/12/02/starting-pitcher-the-fifth-starter-plus-niese/#comment-395516 mark4212 Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:58:15 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/12/02/starting-pitcher-the-fifth-starter-plus-niese/#comment-395516 It saves them 5 million dollars for this season. Show makes 3.05 and Anderson makes just over 1 while Marquis makes as i stated 9.875. So yes it does make sense for them to do. Also I listed 7 pitchers they deem as Starting Pitchers. SO i don't see where this issue arises. They would have plenty of Starting pitching possibilities. Plus they have the guy they had in the Majors to start the year last year in AAA. I can't remember his name. It saves them 5 million dollars for this season. Show makes 3.05 and Anderson makes just over 1 while Marquis makes as i stated 9.875.

So yes it does make sense for them to do.

Also I listed 7 pitchers they deem as Starting Pitchers. SO i don’t see where this issue arises. They would have plenty of Starting pitching possibilities. Plus they have the guy they had in the Majors to start the year last year in AAA. I can’t remember his name.

]]> By: stickguy http://www.metsblog.com/2008/12/02/starting-pitcher-the-fifth-starter-plus-niese/#comment-395459 stickguy Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:42:25 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/12/02/starting-pitcher-the-fifth-starter-plus-niese/#comment-395459 dunn cheap is interesting. Abreau is yuck, but if it was no more than 2 years, an OK stop gap. Or ibanez for 2 if yo udon't mind the lost 1st round pick. frankly I don't really like any of them. Marquis for Schoenweis + nothing of importance? Yeah, I do that. It does give some stability to the #5 hole, and is a s/t contract. Not like getting stuck with a Silva level palyer for 4 years! By 2010, Neise or even Holt could be all ready to take over the spot. Still could give Heilmann the job though and likely get comparable output for 1/4 the cost, but hey, might be too radical an idea! Also not sure who the other starter is. Lowe at huge $/years makes no sense. Wolf? Vazquez? Either one can fill out the rotation, but certainly isn't a top tier guy. Maybe Sheets, with Neise in the hole getting redy? Even if you get 24 starts from him, not a bad output. Just have better 6/7/8 optins! And don't count out Pedro coming back for the 5 hole spot. Might give you Marquis numbers, but can he pitch deep enough into games? Santana Sheets Pelfrey Maine Marquis LOoks good enough. Might be nice to have another lefty, but what can you do. Vazquez could also slot in there. and from an earlier thread post, I want Teix! and this rotation is cheap enough to do it. add wood/street/godado/hoffman for the pen, along with 3 cheap guys (smith/parnell/???). Plenty of pitching, and only sheets and Teix cost picks. Sheets is an Ace for whatever innings he goes, and Teix solidifies the core for years to come. I have no problem with a short series (as-suming oc course the y make the postseason) rotation of sheets/santana/pelfrey (or maine). dunn cheap is interesting. Abreau is yuck, but if it was no more than 2 years, an OK stop gap. Or ibanez for 2 if yo udon’t mind the lost 1st round pick.

frankly I don’t really like any of them.

Marquis for Schoenweis + nothing of importance? Yeah, I do that. It does give some stability to the #5 hole, and is a s/t contract. Not like getting stuck with a Silva level palyer for 4 years! By 2010, Neise or even Holt could be all ready to take over the spot.

Still could give Heilmann the job though and likely get comparable output for 1/4 the cost, but hey, might be too radical an idea!

Also not sure who the other starter is. Lowe at huge $/years makes no sense. Wolf? Vazquez? Either one can fill out the rotation, but certainly isn’t a top tier guy.

Maybe Sheets, with Neise in the hole getting redy? Even if you get 24 starts from him, not a bad output. Just have better 6/7/8 optins!

And don’t count out Pedro coming back for the 5 hole spot. Might give you Marquis numbers, but can he pitch deep enough into games?

Santana
Sheets
Pelfrey
Maine
Marquis

LOoks good enough. Might be nice to have another lefty, but what can you do. Vazquez could also slot in there.

and from an earlier thread post, I want Teix! and this rotation is cheap enough to do it.

add wood/street/godado/hoffman for the pen, along with 3 cheap guys (smith/parnell/???).

Plenty of pitching, and only sheets and Teix cost picks. Sheets is an Ace for whatever innings he goes, and Teix solidifies the core for years to come.

I have no problem with a short series (as-suming oc course the y make the postseason) rotation of sheets/santana/pelfrey (or maine).

]]> By: mikey_FF http://www.metsblog.com/2008/12/02/starting-pitcher-the-fifth-starter-plus-niese/#comment-395432 mikey_FF Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:53:59 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/12/02/starting-pitcher-the-fifth-starter-plus-niese/#comment-395432 Some people are able to look ahead and evaluate a situation, unlike you. It would have been in everyone's best interest to move him then ... get a good return. Mid 06 he was in a deal for Roy Oswalt. The deal fell through, but you get the idea. If they would have moved on that in the offseason before 07 ... they could have gotten a substantial return. Now ... because of people with the mentality like yours ... we will get very little for him. "Hey I heard Beltran did not like getting dropped in the order last year for a little bit lets trade him." You look foolish. Just stop. Some people are able to look ahead and evaluate a situation, unlike you. It would have been in everyone’s best interest to move him then … get a good return. Mid 06 he was in a deal for Roy Oswalt. The deal fell through, but you get the idea. If they would have moved on that in the offseason before 07 … they could have gotten a substantial return.

Now … because of people with the mentality like yours … we will get very little for him.

“Hey I heard Beltran did not like getting dropped in the order last year for a little bit lets trade him.”

You look foolish. Just stop.

]]> By: HitTheSinkerBall http://www.metsblog.com/2008/12/02/starting-pitcher-the-fifth-starter-plus-niese/#comment-395402 HitTheSinkerBall Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:11:23 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/12/02/starting-pitcher-the-fifth-starter-plus-niese/#comment-395402 How is that mishandling him? So every player that that wants to start if they don't get the chance to they should be traded? That makes no sense. He was performing very well in there bullpen so why would they trade him just because he wanted to start? DUH ... you make allot of sense with that one. Trade every player who wants to perform a different role on the team then they already are. Hey I heard Beltran did not like getting dropped in the order last year for a little bit lets trade him. How is that mishandling him? So every player that that wants to start if they don’t get the chance to they should be traded? That makes no sense.

He was performing very well in there bullpen so why would they trade him just because he wanted to start? DUH … you make allot of sense with that one. Trade every player who wants to perform a different role on the team then they already are. Hey I heard Beltran did not like getting dropped in the order last year for a little bit lets trade him.

]]> By: Gina http://www.metsblog.com/2008/12/02/starting-pitcher-the-fifth-starter-plus-niese/#comment-395380 Gina Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:42:43 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/12/02/starting-pitcher-the-fifth-starter-plus-niese/#comment-395380 Dunn's obp with RISP was like .418 and .468 with RISP and 2 outs. So he'd be way less likely to make an out in a RISP situation than every other player on our team. Dunn’s obp with RISP was like .418 and .468 with RISP and 2 outs. So he’d be way less likely to make an out in a RISP situation than every other player on our team.

]]> By: Gina http://www.metsblog.com/2008/12/02/starting-pitcher-the-fifth-starter-plus-niese/#comment-395376 Gina Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:40:45 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/12/02/starting-pitcher-the-fifth-starter-plus-niese/#comment-395376 If Omar actually thinks that way this team is going to have problems for a while. If Omar actually thinks that way this team is going to have problems for a while.

]]> By: Gina http://www.metsblog.com/2008/12/02/starting-pitcher-the-fifth-starter-plus-niese/#comment-395375 Gina Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:39:37 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/12/02/starting-pitcher-the-fifth-starter-plus-niese/#comment-395375 No the problem is we have too many bench players who aren't good at anything. Defense or offense. Endy, Tatis, and Castro if he wasnt hurt every other week, is a pretty good bench, the problems were guys like Easley and Anderson, and the 3rd and 4th catchers we were carrying who didn't do anything well. No the problem is we have too many bench players who aren’t good at anything. Defense or offense. Endy, Tatis, and Castro if he wasnt hurt every other week, is a pretty good bench, the problems were guys like Easley and Anderson, and the 3rd and 4th catchers we were carrying who didn’t do anything well.

]]> By: Gina http://www.metsblog.com/2008/12/02/starting-pitcher-the-fifth-starter-plus-niese/#comment-395374 Gina Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:38:28 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/12/02/starting-pitcher-the-fifth-starter-plus-niese/#comment-395374 Not true. Endy could start in centerfield for some teams. Thats how good he is defensively. Not true. Endy could start in centerfield for some teams. Thats how good he is defensively.

]]> By: fongulalou http://www.metsblog.com/2008/12/02/starting-pitcher-the-fifth-starter-plus-niese/#comment-395340 fongulalou Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:17:06 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/12/02/starting-pitcher-the-fifth-starter-plus-niese/#comment-395340 No doubt about manny who has been my favorite non-Met for years(way to haunt the yankees) But I dont think the Wilpons will let him anywhere near Flushing. see; Ibanez is a "great-guy" comments. No doubt about manny who has been my favorite non-Met
for years(way to haunt the yankees) But I dont think the
Wilpons will let him anywhere near Flushing.
see; Ibanez is a “great-guy” comments.

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