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Jonathan Mayo at MiLB.com ranks Mets 
OF Fernando Martinez No. 32 on his list of the Top 50 Prospects in MLB.
The link also features video of Martinez in action during his time with the Mets in spring training.
According to the report, ‘the sky is still the limit for Martinez,’ who ‘still has the tools to be an All-Star caliber outfielder,’ adding:
“Reviews are mixed, but most still like his bat speed from the left side. He’s got a good arm and played good defense in center this past season.”
Last season, MiLB.com ranked Martinez No. 17.
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well at least he broke the top 50
He’s not going to be there next year at the rate he’s going now…
Still too early for Wilmer Flores, huh?
I understand though, Fmart has played a lot more than Flores has.
It is exciting though, even with tiny sample size, that Fmart is on fire in the DWL. here’s to hoping the kid stays healthy and turns some heads in March.
F-Mart will be just fine as long as we do not make the mistake & trade him…
He should be going up the list, not down it. He’s supposed to improve over time.
He might if the mets would give him the chance instead of rushing him through the system. Apparently, despite the fact he didn’t stay healthy and didn’t hit in AA, he’s likely going to start 2009 out in AAA.
That’s fine. AAA is usually better for hitters anyway. They are all facing a bunch of retreads in the the AAA rotations and bullpen.
It has nothing to do with the Mets.. and everything to do with staying healthy
AA usually has much better talent then AAA does anyway
He was originially slated to repeat AA in 2009, as he missed a substantial chunk of the season. However, he has been tearing up the DWL, and with a hot spring training, he may deserve the promotion to AAA.
Have you look at his stats in context in the DWL? Everyone is tearring up the DWL. The last time I checked they had 8-10 guys with ops’s over 1.000
Anderson Hernandez could hit in the DWL
haha anderson OWNS the DL….he is el gran pegador de la dominica…..
AH is 373/409/564/979 in 158 ABS….second in league in BA……….
Postseason batting champ like two years ago if I remember correctly
That’s good news – does anyone have some DWL stats? It’s about time this kid start dominating a league…
In 107 plate appearances: .323/.377/.552.
Anderson Hernandez is a career .311 hitter in the DWL…
Not good. Most likely should have traded him. Now we have a Milledge situation. This time I think we have to just stick it out with him and hope he develops into something near what we thought he would.
woah.. i almost dropped my coffee.. you.. are saying we should of traded f-mart?
And what exactly is a Milledge situation?? Milledge is still going to be a great player.. and all things being equal I wish we still had him.
But we could have had so much more for him if we had traded him earlier before he continued being a clown and his value droping.
And yes if we could have gotten equal value in return I would have trade him. If we could have gotten Holliday or Bay with him as the center piece for example.
yea b/c Fmart was def getting hurt on purpose.
Well that’s on Omar.. not Milledge.
F-mart could def go either way… he needs to stay healthy and see what he is… that’s the biggest knock against him…
WHere did I say that Fmart was getting hurt on purpose. I don’t mean the fact that Fmart is like Milledge personally. I am saying that the situtation is similar because the longer we kept Milledge the more his value went down.
I was referring to you calling him a clown…thats all.
I was refering to Milledge, sorry.
F-Mart could have netted Manny, Holliday and Dye, EASILY, 1-2 years ago.
Now? We have to include a Bobby Parnell or Jonathon Niese to net them…
His stock is dropping…fast.
I would imagine you are right about who he could have netted before. I still think that him for Dye is too much, not to mention adding a guy. Manny 2 years ago would have been a good deal. At the trade deadline? Not so much. Holliday would have been a good deal as well.
This guy has been injured every season he’s been in the minors. I would hardly call this “a Milledge situation”
In fact I’d be ok if he spent more time in Bing..Why rush him to AAA for no reason?
Let him develop..if he’s 23 or 24 when he gets to NY fine with me…
It’s a Milledge situation because the guys value is dropping the longer we keep him.
more like a “reyes” situtaion…i.e. injuries.
I hope you are right.
me too…lol
Give the kid some time geeze. He’s 19. He can’t drink beer for two years but we already expect him to be Manny Ramirez playing left in Citi Field next year
It’s almost like Omar’s tenure and Fmart are tied together. If Fmart does well then Omar will be seen as a good GM for holding on to him. If Fmart flops then Omar very well maybe ran out of town.
if we don’t make the playoffs this year he migh be.. which the mets should’ve never given him that 4 year extention with 5games to play.. HORRIBLE..
I agree but regardless of how F-mart turns out it’s not a good sign that one prospect could define his time here as gm.
Did someone hack into your user account today thereal? These comments sound nothing like you…
Nope, this the real me. I have never said that Fmart was going to be great. He may or may not be. I have always viewed him as our top PROSPECT not a starter in LF in 2010. If it worked out that way then fine. I view prospects as stocks. Sometimes you hold on to them and they mature and you become a rich man. Sometimes you hold on to them too long and lose money. As a GM that is maybe your most difficult job to determine which stock will do what.
Well maybe.. but all the bonehead things Omar has done as a GM.. taking a chance of F-mart is hardly one of them that will make or break him…
Right now signing Johan got him his new deal, despite two years of unbelieveable failure in September…
They are not going to rid of him if F-mart is more Alex Escobar then Carlos Lee…
I disagree but at least that’s nothing new. Omar took a lot of flack for Milledge but Fmart is his baby. If we hang on to him and he turns into a nothing I am not so sure.
as somebody said on a thread a loooong time ago…fmart is omars legacy…we could have traded him on so many occasions to help the 07 and 08 teams and who knows what would have happened but omar kept him…lets hope it was worth it.
Yup and we did not sign some longterm FA and went with stop gaps like Alou because of Fmart. I don’t think some on here understand the impact that FMart has had on our organization. Hopefully he works out for sure.
i hope so too….
theres some truth there…but Omar has made some great latin signings besides Fmart..
Deolis Guerra was signed at the same time, and we flipped him for Johan…I’d say pretty good.
Wilmer Flores could be one of the top prospects in the lower minor leagues in all of baseball right now. That could work out pretty well. And he might have a quicker path to the ML b/c of his good defense..a la Reyes.
I don’t think many people have described Flores as being particularly good defensively, from what I’ve seen most say he’s going to outgrow the position. Plus he’s only 16 and hasn’t even played full season baseball. Ruben Tejada looked awesome for a season then the mets rushed him and he looked terrible. It’s really not a good idea to put much stock into short season stats from guys that young.
I understand that…and yes, hes known more for his offense than defense…and yes, he will not be a SS when he gets called up, even if Reyes wasn’t here, but I think he will be on quicker track than Fmart…thats really what I meant. I think he’s going to become more balanced offensively quicker than Fmart has, all based off scouts perception of his tools.
I’m very optimistic of this kid. The kid is already 6′3″, which is bigger than Reyes and Fmart, and I think he’s 17 now (I’m just splitting hairs now).
If FMart flops will Omar be punsihed with another 4 year extension?
Ryan Howard didnt come up to the big leagues until he was 26. Players take a while to progress. Going by howards case, thats 7 years down the road. The fact that this kid is hitting AAA pitching at 19 is a big deal. If he comes up and is ready at 22 to play well in MLB thats more than most players. So lets just look at this objectively .
well…you are right, but Howard was blocked by Thome for a few years…he had led AAA in HR’s for several season before his debut.
Jim Thome, Fernando Tatis same differend.
That was a joke by the way im not a psycho
he’s hitting 325 with 4 Hr’s 4 triples 4 doubles 20 runs scored 21 rbi’s and 4 steals while playing flawles-s defense wit 2 as-sits and no errors..
yes sir…in roughly 100 AB’s.
well, he cracked that last night.. i’m rooting for the team to make the palyoffs to see how he continues to develop..
I’m not trying to take away from F-mart but I think people need to look at his DWL stats in context of the whole league. Nearly everyone is tearing up the DWL, prospects and nonprospects and retreads. Not to mention he’s only had 99 at bats. Not really a reliable sample size.
He also has 9 walks to 20 k’s. That’s not really a very good ratio.
#32 is a big drop off.
let’s hope he stay healthy this year and make a bit more progress.
he was #17 last year and #26 in 2006
Trade him before he falls to the top 100.
Seriously though, the Mets need to stop overhyping him. I doubt he’ll be anymore than a 20 HR hitter who hits 270/350.
or they should continue to overhype him to maintain some trade value…
Yeah overhyping him, or anyone else, isn’t the problem as long as they don’t fall for the hype themselves.
lol thats the key..
Right because the Mets should only keep prospects that hit 30HR and hits 300/400.
I think he means if you can get better value than what he’ll actually be, like hypothetically if we could have gotten a guy like Jason Bay for him who’s relatively young with a big time bat it might have been worth it. Not that we should only keep big time prospects just that we shouldn’t wait till the last minute and sell low, i.e Milledge or even Humber to an extent and also Heilman if we end up trading him.
Exactly. These guys are like stocks you have to know when to sell and when to hold on to them. We seem to hold on too long to the point to where there is nowhere to go but up, then trade them.
But Omar hasn’t held done a poor job at that. He did trade Gomez who was looking like a good CF.
Also not trading is just as important as trading, where would we be if we sold on Pelf?
I think Omar’s philosiphy here is that F-Mart has the potential to be an outstanding player while the others were slated to be good but not outstanding.
I kind of see it as buying early on Google and holding on because you know it’s going to be BIG. Sure, you could’ve sold early but the potential for greater return is too high to sell.
Hope I made sense.
bkfitz—Based on what?
Reyes had injury issues in the minors too. This kid is only 19. For whom would you like to trade him? Someone who will be inexpensive, under control for several years, and has the same ceiling? An established player who will cost many millions a years? The Mets can solve their problems without trading their best prospect.
meant to say “millions a year.”
did anyone here know that WILMER FLORES is touted by venezuela as their ALEX RODRIGUEZ??? i just read that.. amazing..
big shoes to fill………….
he’s 6′3!! he’s a freak of nature..
I knew a kid who was 6′5″ in 7th grade. I’m not sure why his height means anything. The fact that he can hit in professional ball at age 16 makes him a freak.
where’d you read that, I’m curious.
it was a post i forgot the guys name, but he also talks about how he wants flores to be the derek jeter of ny in terms of popularity.. although jose reyes is there he’s not wilmer flores in terms of talent..
Considering the position Reyes plays, and the ones Flores will end up playing that’s kind of foolish for him to say. There are more 3rd basemen with big time bats than there are ss with bats like reyes who play defense, usually, like reyes. Reyes is definitely a special special player, especially if his defense continues to improve and he becomes more patient at the plate while maintaining his power. The only short stop, at least in the NL and likely in the AL, who is better is Ramirez.
flores is 16 years old. let’s hold up on comparing him to the best player in baseball.
2010 will be the year of F-Mart in NY.
most likely, but there is a chance he plays in 2009 and theres 3 possibilites.
1) there were many injuries
2)he was just raking in AAA and had to be called up
3) and this is very likely, he gets called up in Sept for a taste.
but 2010 could be when he starts regularly .
whoa…how did I get two s’s in there next to eachother? groundbreaking.
FMart will be fine. Being ranked #32 is still really good. I would imagine there is always movement with guys havingbreakout years etc. If you figure each MLB team has 6 minor league teams approximately with 25 guys on each team and 30 MLB teams that is 5250 MILB players. FMart is 32nd out of 5250 which puts him at ranked higher than 99.4% of the players.
He will do just fine. I would rather he be challenged and have to learn to make adjustments than put him in a league he is above just so he can put up gaudy stats. The Yankees Jesus Montero just turned 19 and he played in the Sally league last year putting up a .326 average and playing above average in the league. FMart played in that league at the age of 17 and hit over 300. He was playing so well the Mets had to move a 17 year old up to Port St Lucie to challenge the kid. I would rather he have to learn to make adjustments than dominate each level because in the majors he will need that experience. Besides the kid at the age of 19 hit 287 in AA this year against competition 3 to 4 years older than him. That is more than respectable it isn’t like he was at the Mendoza line.
It’s not the point, its that his stock is falling and he is our best prospect. That means that 31 other prospects are ahead of him and maybe every team in baseball has a prospect as good or better.
I don’t care about his stock right now…He is still very young and very talented and the Mets appear to be committed to him. Therefore I care about giving him time to develop so that he plays for the Mets in a few years and hopefully for many years to come. There’s really no sign that he is going to be a bust, and if he is, the Mets still have Beltran, Murphy and Church for some years to come.
Kind of random but the Rays make me sick. On top of all the young players they have now in the majors they have 3 players in that 20-50 and I’d bet they have at least one in the top 20.
“Kind of random but the Rays make me sick. On top of all the young players they have now in the majors they have 3 players in that 20-50 and I’d bet they have at least one in the top 20.”
lol, that’s what happens when you su** for 10 years and get top pick every year.. lol..
And never have the money to sign a big name FA that would cost a pick.
they will be there for a long time if they can hold on to their prospects..
This opinion is what happens when you’re uninformed. Only 4 of the players on their roster this season came from their first round draft picks, and one of them, Price, wasn’t on the roster most of the season. Everyone else was either a late round pick, traded for or signed. The vast majority of their players have been brought in since Friedman took over in 05.
And the fourth player who was brought in with a top pick was Baldelli who had like 12 at bats. So only 2 players, although they’re both really good players, Longaria and Upton, that had huge impacts on this season were brought in from top draft picks. Nearly everyone else was either signed by Friedman, traded for by Friedman, or drafted in the 7th round or later. That’s what happens when you have a front office full of awesome scouts and talent evaluators.
I think it is funny that people are already giving up on how good Fernando Martinez can be.
He doesn’t turn 20 for another week. He has YEARS to show improvement and be on a reasonable development curve.
Actually he turned 20 in October. I thought his birthday was 12/10/88 for some reason.
You guys are right, he’s ancient!
lol, starting left field for the NATIONAL LEAGUE ALL STAR TEAM OF 2013 AT SHEA STADIUM: #9 FROM THE NEW YORK METS….. FERNANDO “EL NINO” MARTINEZ!!!!!
LOL Shea Stadium
The problem is the front office seems to have treated him like he’ll be ready by late 2009 early 2010. If he’s not then that’s a problem because they have no other long-term solution for LF and because with the way the team is configured we might not be contending by the time he comes up.
However finding a solid hitting LF with power is not the hardest thing in the world so if he isn’t ready my guess would be a FA could be picked up to buy time. Of course Murphy could solidify his standing in LF giving FMart more time as well. A long term injury to any of the starting OF this year probably gets him called up. If he breaks out in AAA he will have a chance to be brought up in the 2nd half ala a Murphy and I would bet my house that injury not withstanding FMart is at Citi Field in Sept 2009 as a call up at worst.
True enough, it’s just will his value ever be as high as it was a year ago?
If he’s healthy this year, his value will go back up, because he’s a great young talent.
If he does well.
If he’s healthy, he WILL do well. Health is the key word.
How do you KNOW that he WILL do well if healthy? Blind faith?
If he’s healthy and he hits. Even when he’s been healthy he hasn’t hit.
He has looked like a guy with potential. I am just saying that to me at this point we are commited to him being a memeber of our OF in 2010. If not then Omar has made a big mistake.
He’s been so incredibly young for his league. The one time he was a semi-reasonable age for his league he crushed the ball. And even then he was still a year or two young for Low-A ball.
No guys … I don’t KNOW he will. I’m also not the one who’s been scouting him/ranking him up until now. He dropped this year because of the injuries … NOT because he can’t hit.
Get a grip.
And it’s not like Fernando is falling on his face at Double-A. He’s putting up decent numbers. He just hasn’t exploded yet. He was 19!
You still don’t get the point. Again, I don’t dislike Fmart. It’s just that IF he does not perform this year and his stock drops even lower then we may have made a big mistake that Omar potentially will have to pay for.
His batting average was okay but his obp and slugging percentages were kind of below decent. Obviously yes for his age he’s holding his own but the front office cant use that excuse and then turn around and send him to AAA next year.
We will not have made a big mistake if Fernando doesn’t blow up THIS YEAR. He’s 20 years old.
Do you understand the value to this franchise Fernando will bring if he is able to start at a corner OF position within the next few years at the major league minimum?
Thereal … Omar has made plenty of mistakes. You can’t worry about him holding onto the best prospect in the system, with the possibility that he might not be great.
Gina … Let it play out with a (hopefully) healthy season under his belt before you start over analyzing his stats.
I understand his value long term IF he is good. However, we did not sign some big time FA or trade for other big names because Fmart is going to be our OF of the future.
Example we could have signed Carlos Lee and by the time that Fmart is finally ready Lee would only have a year left or so. But we did not sign him or others because Fmart is our future. The Mets tried to make Fmart our future too early and cost us or used him as an excuse and cost us.
I don’t see how you can pin not signing a long-term answer in the corner OF on Fernando. We don’t have a long-term rock solid solution at either corner OF spot.
If the mets front office/media/whoever promises to stop telling us he’ll be in the majors by 09/2010 then I promise to stop looking at his stats like a player he should be close to ML ready. At this point I’m worried that by the time he’s actually ML ready we won’t be contending.
It’s not on Fmart, it’s on Omar. Again, I am always viewed as an Omar guy. If Fmart is ready for the OF in 2010 I understand and so be it. If it’s 2012 then it was a bad move and was either a misjudgement or an excuse.
thereal – how the Mets plan things is a fair criticism and I agree. That still doesn’t mean you trade Fernando Martinez. You don’t have to trade for a corner outfielder … they could have signed one for money if they wanted to.
Okay, that’s fine, but you are getting mad at Omar for not trading Fernando when his value was highest. You have no way to know that is actually the case. In fact, I would wager that Fernando’s value is probably at its lowest right now, so it would be stupid to trade him now.
I think thats what thereals point was. That we didn’t trade him a year or 2 ago for a player that could help us get over the hump right now and by the time he’ll be ready we’ll be filled with holes. Think about it if he’s not up full time until like 2012 what will the Mets team look like. Reyes will be in the last year of his contract and we’ll likely be looking at breaking the bank to resign him. Santana will be 34-35 and likely still playing at a high level but probably not as well as he is now, as of right now we have no idea what 1st or 2nd will look like, and I’d say rf is a bit of a question mark too although I think Murphy could be a good solution if Church doesn’t work out for some reason. Beltran will be in the last year of his contract, and likely not playing at the level he is now. Pelfrey will still be around, and probably better than he is now. And who knows what the rest of the rotation will be. Maine I believe is an FA in 2011 so he may or may not be back depending on how he performs between now and then. We have a few prospects who could fill some of those holes but most of them are so young/far away it’s hard to say anything for sure about them.
Why did we have to trade him 2 years ago though, is my point. They could have just signed an outfielder if they wanted one. No need to lose your best prospect in the process.
We did not HAVE to trade him. I never said that. I am saying we should have either traded him for a longterm solution or signed one either way. Sometimes a prospect is just a trading chip. If they can net a Peavy (not saying he could) then his value is more as a chip than it is as a player.
And that is one of the tough parts of being GM. You have figure out who the Wrights and Reyes are and who the Alex Ochoas are. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t. If you trade every prospect at their highest value, you are not going to have very many homegrown players. FMart being ready 2010, 11 0r 12 isa plus for the Mets because they do have potential holes and need to resign Wright and Reyes around that time. Having an inexpensive OF producing at a high level is plus at that point.
FMart and his success doesn’t automatically say Omar failed. His job in part entails knowing who to keep and who to trade. Mistakes can and will be made in both cases as a fan you just hope he makes more good decisions than badbut no GM is perfect. It is a really imprecise science when it comes to scouting.
People are unbelievable. Is it really a shocker that he dropped to 32? He was injured last season. Duh … he wasn’t going to rise on the list … people don’t get this?
And like you said … he’s very young. A lot of people wanted to trade Jose Reyes when he was 19 and getting hurt a lot too.
And what if in AAA this year he still struggles or gets injured again? He drops out of the top 50 or more? I don’t blame Omar for keeping him, I am just saying that we MAY have waited too long IF we could have gotten the likes of Bay or Holliday.
What if … What if … What if. You know better than that thereal. Injuries happen … you can’t predict that. You go by the talent level and let it play out.
Trading him for Holliday would have been moronic.
Disagree. If we could have gotten Holliday last offseason for LF it could have made a big difference.
I know the what if game is tough to play. But when he was ranked in the top 15 you have to be SURE that you are going to keep the guy otherwise it’s time to trade.
Holliday wasn’t available last season so it’s moot.
We don’t konw that. I am not saying just Holliday. There were other guys available for the last few years. It could be Carlos Lee out there in LF instead of Alou and the gang.
I’m a harsh critic of Omar lately but the one thing I will not criticize him for is holding on to Fernando Martinez.
Coming from someone who supported the Castillo fiasco for so long … this is an odd stance from you.
I’d critique him for the way he, or tony b i guess since he’s the head of the minors or something, has handled f-mart and other prospects. We have so many guys, who most people have never heard of who have big time talent but were rushed and because of that are floundering and having their stock and developed killed.
I don’t see a correlation at all.
I am just saying that we have put a lot of stock into Fmart and for Omar’s sake it better turn into something.
But it doesn’t have to be this year.
Gina- I agree with that. Holding on to F-Mart, however, was the right thing to do.
Thereal- Omar just got an extension. If F-Mart is the reason he gets fired … it won’t be for at least 3 years. …and F-Mart won’t be the reason, regardless. It will be more about playoff baseball.
But Fmart may very well be the reason Omar does not make it to the playoffs. If he continues this idea of stop gap solutions for prospects that are longterm away then we won’t make the playoffs.
Are you suggesting we should have traded fmart for the new bullpen? Is that how you use your top prospect? And would trading him have immunized the team against injuries to players like Alou, Tatis, Pagan, Church, Wagner, etc…Despite the injuries to position players, the Mets managed to produce runs and play good defense—The bullpen is the what kept us out of the playoffs last year and you don’t trade your top prospect to deal with that. Omar’s is playing it smart. Develop the kid.
I don’t think people have a problem with him. It’s more the way the front office seems to have put all their eggs into the Fernando Martinez basket.
Exactly. We have had a lot of deals that could have happen that did not because of Fmart. Both trades or OF signings. We had to put up with 2 years of Alou and gang because of Fmart. All that I am saying that for Omar’s sake he better be the real thing and given the chance to be the real thing. If he trades him now then we will have lost a lot of value for him.
But that is part of being a real GM. You have to decide who to keep and who is used as pawn for another piece. Those are the decisions who have to make. Hopefully you are right more often than not. But I can guarantee you that either way Omar would get crucified. If he trades FMart and he blossoms into the talent many believe he can be the fans and media would be all over him. Just like if he keeps him and he doesn’t pan out. That is the life of a GM.
pedroia signs 6 year, $40.5m extension with the red sox
I’m sure it’s heavily back loaded but that’s like six million per for probably a top 10, if not higher, middle infielder.
Not a big deal. What did they do buyout 2 years of FA at the most?
I imagine they’re saving themselves crazy money in his last few arbitration years too. I can’t think of any recent middle infield cases but didn’t cabrera get like 7.4 million last year in arbitration. Obviously Pedroia doesn’t hit like Cabrera but he doesn’t play a position where there are as many players who do. They probably saved themselves a crapload of cash in the last 3-4 years of his deal if you consider what a player like him would get in FA too.
i think it’s a pretty big deal. 2 years of free agency for an mvp like pedroia is big money. it’s similar to the reyes deal. reyes will be making $11m in 2011. he would have received $18-22 on the open market
it’s a steal for the sox. not that they or the mets needed it.
Wouldn’t he still be under contract for 4 more years? It’s similar to the Reyes deal. Good for both sides.
yes, but his arbitration numbers would be higher than his cotract numbers. same with reyes.
wright received a much better deal than either.
They don’t need it but it makes sense because now they can spend money other places. Like possibly on extending Bay oy Youk, I think his contract is up in 2010, or they could break the bank and sign a guy like Tex and not have to worry about bringing back Bay or Youk. This is why the Sox are the best organization in baseball. They think long-term and short-term and for the most part, obviously they have some bad deals like the Lugo contract and the Drew contract, use their money extremely efficiently.
Call me old-fashioned but I like seeing players giving the hometown discount. Pedroia is adored in Boston.
I am so tired of this he’s just 19 years old stuff. Yes that’s a good excuse for him but not for the Mets. We have went with stop gaps in LF for years because of the fact that Fmart is coming. By the time that Fmart gets here the guys that we COULD have signed would be up for FA. It’s just not a good excuse. If he is not ready by 2010 then the Mets have made a huge mistake.
That’s just unreasonable. I’m glad Omar didn’t trade our best prospects for short-term fixes. You have to have a longer term vision than that.
Bay would not have been a short term fix.
But to play along, fine don’t trade him.
But we should have signed a long term solution for LF instead of saying that Fmart would be in that spot.
Yes. And you can still realistically sign someone this year. If F-Mart pushes the other guy out later, then so be it.
Trading him though, should not be an option.
I don’t think thereal is talking about short term fixes. He’s talking about guys like Bay or Holliday, or Manny 2 years ago, who would have been long-term answers and been good while our team was good enough to compete. If F-mart isn’t ready till 2011-2012 or later how much help will he be to the team, considering we don’t really have many other young players to fill all the holes we’ll have and that the FA market is likely to be pretty desolate with teams starting to sign up young players.
Actually I think the real was just talking about contracts in general, i.e signing Alou over Carlos Lee, although I’m not a fan of Lee or that contract. At this rate Lee would have been in the last years of his contract, if not completely over, by the time F-mart was ready to be brought up.
That is my point to an extent. I still was in favor of trading him for Bay or Holliday or Manny 2 years ago (not during mid season last year). But even if you do not trade him then give him time and bring in a fulltime solution instead of the Alou’s of the world. You know yourself it was.
Alou is a great hitter and will be perfect to hold down the fort for Fmart…… How long was Alou supposed to hold down the fort? Until he was 50?
The real problem was Omar signing short term fixes and rushing the kid.
How about NOT rushing the kid and sign a legit player? … oh yeah and not trading him away.
i doubt he’ll be ready in 2010. there are only 2 position players who are 21 in the majors and made any impact: justin upton and jay bruce.
i agree that they should just sign a left fielder. though i’d prefer something for two years over a bid deal because reyes has to be resigned soon. if f-mart is ready then trade the left fielder.
Juan Rivera
You are right he most likely will not be ready in 2010 but we have been told that we are not going to sign a longterm LF because of Fmart. If Fmart was longterm away this makes no sense.
And at this point Rivera is fine because I think we are committed to Fmart soon ready or not.
I’m tired of this 19 year stuff too. He should grow up already and stop getting injured playing a physically demanding sport. If he has so much talent, why doesn’t just will himself to age 3 or 4 years and cover his skeleton in adamantium. he should go negotiate a trade for himself.
You can’t read. If you could you would notice that I am not blaming Fmart. I am blaming the Mets for putting multiple years of present on hold for a guy that is no where near ready.
What did you write? I can’t read it.
The point you arrive at–that the Mets would have been better off seeking a long term solution rather than one-year stop gaps for a player that wasn’t ready–is a good one, though one that, imo, is one that can only be made in hindsight.
Yet I am not alone–Danny, mikey_FF,for example–in thinking that you want to trade FMart–such as when you write “But to play along, fine don’t trade him”–because he was not ready.
Suggesting that a top prospect should have been traded for a long term solution–whether it be pitching or outfield–and suggesting that a longer-term solution should have been pursued to account for that young prospect’s development are two different arguments.
The question is whether the Mets were wrong in judging how soon he’d be ready, a question whose answer may be mitigated by his injuries.
Martinez is what 19 years old? Most players don’t reach the big leagues until they’re 21 or older.
Unless he is dominating in the minors i dont want to see him in the big leagues until 2010 or later