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In his latest report for FoxSports.com, Ken Rosenthal believes the Braves, Mariners and Nationals are interested in free-agent 
OF Adam Dunn, followed by the Dodgers and Angels., and maybe the Yankees, who could use him at DH and first base.
According to MLB.com, the Braves are not interested in Dunn, because they are seeking a right-handed bat.
Dunn could end up getting a three-year, $36 million contract, according to a few team officials who talked with Jerry Crasnick from ESPN.com.
…reports have suggested the Mets, too, are seeking a right-handed bat, which is probably why dunn’s name has not been mentioned more in queens…
Meanwhile, the Mariners, Angels and Giants are interested in free-agent OF Pat Burrell, reports Rosenthal.
…burrell is a right-handed bat, but i get no sense that the Mets are interested in him…neither am i, for that matter…
…yesterday, i talked with a person aware of Omar Minaya’s game plan, and not once did an outfielder’s name come up…which is not to say minaya is uninterested in upgrading his offense, i just think he is so focused on pitching, it’s all any one connected to the team is talking about…and rightfully so…i suppose he could end up acquiring a bat at the Winter Meetings, but i just don’t think it’s a top priority right now…
Rosenthal also reports on teams interested in Rocco Baldelli; the Giants and CC Sabathia; whether Jason Varitek, Manny Ramirez and Orlando Cabrera will accept arbitration; the Cardinals search for a closer; and the asking price of David Weathers.
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yea man, cause with Vasquez, the braves are unstoppable!
What even is their rotation with Vasquez and Burnett? And with 30 million tied up on 2 SP think they will upgrade anywhere else?
i’m guessing TRS86 saw the sarcasm, if not….i am agreeing with you and making fun of the original poster
I was being sarcastic also.
They have a lot of money coming off the books I believe. Also Jair Jurrjens and Jorge Campillo are in their rotation and they both had awesome years last year. It was just overshadowed by the injuries of the bigger names.
Acquiring Vazques makes them a 1st place team?
They have no outfield!!!!
And yet they still produced nearly as many runs as we did last year. Not to mention at this point we have a bunch of question marks in the outfield ourselves.
We do? CF and RF are locked up! how do we have abunch of questions?
RF is a question mark, we really have no idea what to expect from Church. More than likely it wil be slightly above average defensive play and near average offensive play. With a question mark in left and at 1st that’s not really good enough.
Ryan Church is nothing more then a fourth outfielder for a playoff team. Tatis to repeat what he did last year is asking alot and Murphy is still unproven, so I totally agree with Gina, outside of Beltran, the outfield is weak.
Here comes more comments on how Omar is not active. I for one see it another way. Omar is doing a very good job of keeping his plans out of the media. By March we will see who is correct.
no.. by October we’ll see
By October, the Muts will be playing golf again!
How is Omar doing a good job? We haven’t signed every single big name free agent yet!
*makes a 25 man roster including aforementioned free agents*
i love people like CitizenSnips
who exactly have we missed out on this year? Maybe Affeldt, but he signed so quick, maybe he only wanted the Giants…
besides that, what has he NOT done, that other teams have??? (i just realized its possible you are being sarcastic)
More than possible that he’s being sarcastic. I’d put it at “definite”.
mrose … for a guy who uses so much sarcasm you seem to not recognize it from anyone else.
Makes sense that pitching is a priority, but in no way do I think that the offense should not also be upgraded if possible. Can they get by with no changes? Probably, but if there are opportunites to make an upgrade (LF, 2B, C or 1B) they should be spending at least some time on it.
And nto just overpaying for an Ibanez type.
Now, if they just made the splash on Tex, the existing parts could cover the other holes…
To me unless they are getting an impact player such as Tex I would rather go with Murphy/Tatis in LF and move on.
so do i, i hope you right but i tell you.. we as a team that collapse twice due to bullpen at least should have somebody signed by now.. i heard putz is available so we might get him but i wonder at what cost..
Why should we already have someone signed? Because so many are?
Agreed. The only reason I would want Dunn is because he could eventually take over first.
thats the only reason? what about his 40 hr and high OPS. no but seriously i dont see why at 3/36 we arent looking into dunn especially considering we looked into an older poor fielding lighter hitting left handed OF in ibanez.
if we get putz and sign putz that can even give us more options pitching wise.. we might even think cc.. but we do need a right handed bat.. if we get dunn i say trade delgado regardless and sign manny..
Well it’s not the only reason but it’s the main reason I think adding him would make sense. That and the fact I don’t trust Delgado to produce anywhere near how he did the second half of last season.
if Theo dumped Manny… I’m not sure I want him… if your gonna spens the cash on a positional player better to spend it on Tex
We want a right handed bat yet they’ve been linked to Ibanez?
If the front office really lacks the ability to think long-term than much, Dunn would be taking over for Delgado who’s left handed anyway, then I’m worried.
Dunn at 3/36 is an amazing steal, too.
and no lost draft pick. I do that today, and unload Delgado for reinforcements.
Heck, still have the $$ to sign Tex if you are willing to shoot Dunn out to the OF.
And of course, Tex is my 1st choice for 1B!
the mets were fortunate going into this offseason with money coming off the books, having a new stadium to go to and having a wide variety of strategies on how to attack this off season. unfortunately i just dont think omar has that creative mind set and will probably just sign a closer, trade for a set up, sign a starter and look to make some scrap heap pick up for the OF ala trot nixon.
This is true of every player, but the cheaper Dunn gets, the more intriguing he is.
What do you think a ceiling should be on a Mets offer for Dunn? At what point does he cost too much?
To me he’s worth like 15-16 million per so I wouldn’t go higher than that. But I’d prefer to sign him if he can be gotten for much cheaper. So that it saves us money else where. Once you get to the 15-16 range I’d start thinking Tex wouldn’t be that much more money per.
Dunn makes sense …. Murphy/Tatis scares me… plus Dunn Gives you a cushion for Delgado…. Maybe omar does have an eye on Tex… but I doubt it.. We will probably overpay for a SP instead
Murphy/Tatis scares me…..Couldnt agree more. Im really not sure why so many people on here are acting like this platoon is sufficient for a hopeful WS contender. LF is a position that is supposed to produce offensively and some people would rather have a has been coming off a serious shoulder injury and a rookie than an established player in his prime who guarantees 40 HRs and an extremely high OPS.
Forget Tatis. He is destined for the bench. If Murphy is platooning in LF next year, it probably is with someone else. Maybe evans again (if he is still here). Or someone new they bring in.
but see why should we settle on that why not just sign dunn to a 3 year deal. considering delgado is gone in a year its not like he would be blocking anyone AND he would make LESS than delgado did.
Your right, but not only that, Dunn can move to first after Delgado leaves town, And the LF market is very strong next year. You can go after one.
Don’t know about Murphy/Tatis, but I’m not sure why so many people feel Dunn is sufficient for a hopeful WS contender.
You think Tatis/Murphy or Ibanez is a better option than Dunn?
Not for the long term, but I take my chances with Murphy/Tatis/whoever until there’s a better fit.
Although I’d love to have Dunn in LF with an eventual move to 1B, I don’t consider LF a pressing need. A platoon of Tatis/Murphy will likely give you .800 OPS with below-average defense, and at a bargain price. If one fails, the other can play more full time, which gives you a bit of insurance. Both have shown the ability to hit against both LHP and RHP.
Sure it would be nice to upgrade, but we stand to improve more by focusing limited resources on 2B, the rotation, and the pen.
And you think a better fit is just going to drop out of the sky?
yes, his name is Manny
Dunn at 3 yrs 36 is a bargain if you ask me. we lose delgado after 09 so he can replace him as our big lefty bat and possibly play 1st if we need to promote martinez or find a better LFer. if dunn goes to the nats or braves at that price and omar doesnt even make an offer im sorry but all those apologists out there better come up with something better than “he strikes out alot”.
He’s must not be in better shape than most 25 year olds. And Omar doesn’t like “unathletic mashers”.
Plus he’s a statistical player. We don’t want any of those guys.
I think one of omars problems is that he sometimes too loyal to his players… not really the best way to run a sports franchise
joe, i agree. I think he gets a little to attached. In all sports GMs and coaches must be able to run things with their brain and not their heart.
the successful ones do … hopefully I’m wrong but……..
I would sign Dunn in a second at 3 for 36. Then trade Delgado, and put Dunn at 1st. You lose nothing. Defensively they are the same. Offensively they are the same. Only thing you are losing is 10 years of age.
Oh yeah and a clubhouse cancer. Now i don’t know if Dunn is good in the clubhouse or not. he’s been buried in Cincy for years on horrendous teams.
Last year…. Dunn K’d 40 times more. BB’d 50 Times more. Hit 2 more HR’s and had 15 less RBI. His BA was terrible and his career low, but his career average is about .260. His OBP last year was 35 points higher and his slugging was almost identical. His OPS is almost 300 points higher then Delgado’s.
I see nothing wrong with signing him and making him the 1st baseman. Then trading delgado. I have been saying this for over a month now.
not a bad idea … i’d prefer Tex but i doubt that would happen…
Omar knows a waste of $12 mil a year when he sees one. If ever there was a player whose stats overrate his worth, it’s Adam Dunn.
just curious but how did you come to that conclusion? was he on your fantasy team and cost you the championship bc he strikes out alot.
i dont care how he gets out its his batting average that scares me. he has a career BA of .247 and playing in NY will more than likely bring that average down.
i havent really watched him play but id be curious to see what his numbers are against the better pitchers in the league…
Who cares if his BA is low, his OBP is pretty high, and thats what matters, not BA. BA is very overrated.
Its now how you get on base, its can you get on base! And he gets on base alot.us hes good for about 80 Runs per year.
Good thing you’re not the gm. I don’t care if he bats .203 if he has a .390 obp and still slugs over .500.
theres a reason why Dunn isnt being sought after by all the big teams and i dont think its b/c you know more than everyone.
sure its nice he gets on base but someone needs to be able to bring runners in and even though he has alot of HR what happens when he faces good pitching.
by all acounts he turns in to Arod
Did you read the post? Or do you just not think the Braves, Dodgers, Angels and Yankees are big teams.
Exactly. He hits 40 mistakes a year. The rest of the time he lays off and hopes it’s called a ball. And batting in the heart of Cincy’s pitiful lineup, his walks pile up b/c pitchers can avoid him.
In a game spot against a good pitcher who challenges him, he’ll get a knock once in awhile, but not very often.
I imagine thats true for most players, which is why good pitchers are considered good pitchers. Not to mention if you go to baseball reference and look up Dunn’s batting vs specific pitchers you’ll see that opinion is wrong.
how about the grandslam he hit off of roy oswalt to left center field in houston when his team was down 5-1. oh and Im pretty sure that game was in august when he was a Dback and those games actually mattered.
i dont have a statistical breakdown BUT considering he would bat 6th in the lineup he wouldnt be relied on and would not be expected to carry the offense. I tell you what if dunn is batting 6th in the order last year and the golden boy strikes out with murph on 3rd would lou still have walked delgado and beltran to load the bases with 1 out for a guy that can sneeze and hit the ball 400 feet?
Um, wouldn’t you? Out of the three hitters, he’s the candidate with the greatest chance of striking out, while the other two have the greater chance of making contact. They also could hit the ball 400 feet as well. I know, I know, that wasnt the jist of your post. I’m just saying that in my opinion that wasnt a very good example. But as a Met fan, I wouldnt mind seeing Dunn get up in that spot either.
Omar is right to focus on pitching right now. He can probably get a serviceable right handed bat later, if he is so inclined. Pitching is the hole to fill right now.
I would hope Omar would have the ability to multi-task.
Of course he does… some of you guys seem to think that being a GM is so easy, that its all about signing players and drafting guys, like he was running a fantasy team. How many bats have we been linked to? Ibanez, Dye, Guillen etc. That means that Omar has either made some calls or taken some calls, and talked about the players – which lays the foundation for future possible negotiations.
Pitching is the biggest hole to fill right now – considering our bullpen needs a makeover and we’re down 2 starters. It’s hard to argue against that. He’ll look in on some bats, but he should be focused on fixing the pitching staff.
I think our problem is the fact we’ve been linked to players like Ibanez and Guillen when better players are available for the same price or cheaper.
Isn’t that why bernazard is there? So the right hand can do something without knowing what the left hand is doing?
exactly id rather overpay for a great SP like Lowe or Sheets, a great CP like K-Rod trade for Street and sign some veteran roleplayers like Eckstein and/or Loretta and let the young guys learn on the job with capable backups on call
sadly I dont think Omar knows how to multi task which is pathetic. he has shown in many off seasons that he focuses on 1 thing and cant. thats pretty unacceptable considering he is the GM for one of the richest teams in the whole country.
Multi tasking hasn’t bother me. It’s the fact we seem to go off-season to off-season rather than thinking long-term. That’s the problem with the “win now” mentality.
youre right, we say “this didnt work last year lets fix it” and tend to ignore other issues. we look to fix for next year and thats it. but honestly you dont have to be a genius to see why dunn works for next year AND the however many years later on his contract.
pitching. pitching. pitching.
dunn looks a little more attractive though without having to give up draft picks and just $13m per for 40 hr 100rbi .400obp.
he can play left next year then shift to first in 2010
At one point I would have said keep Dunn out of here, but now, I would sign him in a heartbeat. Lefty, righty, who gives a sh**. The guy can pound the ball.
zen, that makes too much sense. Omar’s brain cant comprehend something like that.
3 years @ $36m isn’t much for the numbers he puts up and it solves left field this year and 1b next year leaving plenty of cash for pitching.
i agree 100%. i hope omar sees it that way too but i doubt he does.
I say trade delgado and put dunn at 1st now. Salary wise at 13 vs 12 you only add 1 million.
You then have a great trading piece to move. I actually like Dunn. I don’t know why every is down on him. Maybe because in fantasy league’s he’s not that good. Especially if you lose points for K’s.
His OPS is almost 300 points higher then Delgado’s. And Defensively he can’t be any worse then Delgado is there. Delgado is awful, and for half of last year didn’t even try as he tore the clubhouse apart and got Willie Fired.
I for one would cheer when i see it come up that he is traded.
I forgot Lowe was traded by Seattle along with Varitek for Heathcliff Slocumb… gotta be one of the worst trades ever
In other news, it looks like the Phillies have made an offer to Derek Lowe. Are the Mets prepared to let Lowe sign there? They’d better get going on this guy… he would be a perfect fit here.
Yes if the Mets see him in the salary they think he’s worth. Then they should throw an offer out there for him.
You don’t want to get into the Yankee’s mentality and say OH NO he’s going to sign with our biggest competitor and then blow them out of the water and get stuck with horrible contracts for half the team because the Phillies are looking at him.
If he comes at the 3 years and 13 mil the mets are willing to offer fine. If philly give him 4 years at 15 each let him go there, put up his 4 games above .500 record and pitch there until he’s 40. Let him.
And how exactly have the Yankees been burned by that mentality? In the last 14 years, they’ve missed the playoffs as many times as Omar’s Mets have made it…once.
Yea get him now, no matter how much it cost. 4 years? Go 5. 17 million? go 20. We have to have him or we will lose.
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I’m not saying that, I’m saying that we need pitching, and if the Braves and Phillies are all about upgrading their staffs, then we’re going to have to do the same in order to compete. We don’t have to have Lowe but he is an attractive option, and one of the best available.
But to do it recklessly just because our competitor is doing it makes no sense. It might make us better for 2009 but will handicap us for years to come unless it’s the right deal. Think San Fran and Zito. They did just what you are saying and look what happen. Or the M’s and Silva.
those deals are bad because the pitchers have stunk, not because they overpaid.
Of course to me Tex makes the most sense but Dunn is right up there with it. I still think we may be better off trading Delgado either way. The price of pitching is high in FA and Delgado could be used to net us that #5 starter.
ill take Teixeira in a heartbeat but Dunn has too many red flags.
a guy who bat .247 for the Reds and Diamondbacks, i can’t imagine that improving for the mets.
lets say he bats .240 38 HR 115 RBI and when do those runs come. Delgado hit clutch HR after clutch HR, Dunn appears to only hit bad pitches. sure he’ll crush Jo-Jo Reyes and some awful guy from the Nationals but what happens when a legit pitcher like Hamels or Myers is on the mound. Can he hit guys like that or is he an automatic out??
The runs come in when he doesn’t make nearly as many outs as Delgado. I really don’t understand why you’re still stuck on average. Do you realize the difference between like a .240 hitter and a .300 hitter over the course of a season, let’s say 550 at bats. Is like a hit a week?
I don’t like breaking it down that way because that’s like saying the difference in between a .300 OBP and a .380 is a walk a week.
However, the player that gets on base the most with all other stats similar is the better player. Thus Dunn is better than Delgado.
OBP takes a larger sample size into account which is why most statistician prefer it. Both measure the rate at which you get outs.
No doubt I would rather use OBP Gina. I just don’t like it when you break things down to it’s only 1 more hit a week or 1 more walk a week or one more inning per start etc
I’m sorry I got distracted and didn’t finish my thought. Because the sample size is usually so much larger the difference is larger too. The difference between obping .300 and obping .360, in lets say 620 plate appearances is well over a walk a week.I understand what you’re saying my point, which I didn’t do a very good job illustrating because I’m supposed to be in the middle of studying right now, was more that hits have as much to do with luck as anything else, where as walks are a more reliably measurable skill set.
Delgado was good for 2 solid months. He stunk in April, May, June, August.
I’m sorry but if we get .240 with 28 HR and 115 RBI. We got Carlos Delgado.
Also if you look at Dunn vs the good pitcher, Actually vs any pitchers he’s relatively good.
Against the Astro’s Owsolt, he had a .286 average in 7 AB’s last season with a HR, Crushed Wandy Rodriguez to a .486 average, but hit .167 against Wolf.
He was 0-7 against Lowe, but hit .286 vs Billingsley and .500 against Penny.
He as 1-1 with a HR against Johan with a walk.
He hit .286 in 7 AB’s against Peavy with a HR and 2 BB.
So that’s a few of the Best pitchers in the NL. He produced against them.
So i don’t know where you say he hits the awful pitchers from. The guy is a younger Carlos Delgado. also he doesn’t Pull the ball one way. So no more hitting right into a Shift.
All valid points. To look at how a player hits a certain pitcher is moot anyway. The sample size is too small. All that matters is that Dunn gets on base more than Delagdo and still has better power numbers. Thus he is a better player.
Exactly. Not to mention it’s not like we only lost to good pitchers last year, I remember us struggling against some pretty sorry pitchers. Maybe bringing in someone who hits 40 mistakes a year, which by the way is the same thing a lot of fans were saying about Delgado last year when he first started to turn around anyway, wouldn’t hurt.
Do people actually research before they post here?
Dunn OPS
vs. BOS 1.253
vs. CHC 1.154
vs. LAD 1.078
vs. SDG 1.405
I’d say those are good pitching teams..
unfortunately:
vs. ATL .737
vs. PHI .523
However it was only a small sample of 20 AB’s, but to say he can’t hit good pitching is absurd, remember that clutch BOMB vs. Zambrano and the Cubs.
I also I don’t think his HR ratio will go down being out of CIN because his HR’s are absolute BOMBS, although his 2bs might drop. My problem with Dunn is that he’s a stats player (HR, OPS). I’d prefer to have a 200+ hits, .300+BA, putting the ball in play, getting on base and starting rallies. KO’s doesn’t put any pressure on the defense, and I’m not going to knock a great feat like 100 rbi’s but Dunn isn’t exactly the biggest rbi threat, his highest only being 106.
I think I’d like to see Murphy get the full time position, maybe sign Juan Rivera, see if Church can get us some pitching, and use all the money for pitching. I’d include my left nut in a Peavy deal.
Dunn gets on base more than most .300 hitters.
Teixeria does make the most sense. But Joel Sherman just reported that the mets turned down chad bradford because of his 3.5 million dollar salary. Theyre either going to be incredibly stingy, or omar is planning to spend his absolute max he can, and he has particular players in mind. I don’t think Tex or Dunn are one of them. I can see K rod getting 3 years 36 with a 4th option. Pick up relievers like David Weathers. Trade for Street. Trade to the rays for sonnanstine or jackson..And then maybe MAYBE hope the yankees get Sabathia AND burnett. And then give Lowe 3yrs 48mil. Lotta money but the years are good, and we could potentially have the best 1 2 punch in baseball. and definitely the best 1,2,3. Altogether thats about 30 mil in contract additions. Not even including the likely players who would be traded. So it would probably come out to 25 in additional salary. Not excessive at all. Plus, that’d be the best starting rotation in the league top to bottom.
I don’t believe that the Mets turned down Bradford just because he was expensive. They turned him down because we already got one of those for cheap.
Not nearly as good as bradford. And as far as the Phils offering Lowe a contract. On MLBTraderumors.com it said the phillies and a team not the red sox or yankees have offered lowe a deal. The Mets possibly. Omar cant let the Phillies take Lowe. Thatd be disastrous. And They better act Like The New York team they are and outbid them.
Chad Bradford STINKS!!!! He’s a right handed specialist, and hasn’t been that great of one since he left the mets.
He’s 10 times worse at it then Joe Smith. Who is another Right handed specialist, at least he’s dominate at it.
K-Rod will come most likely. I hope the street deal goes through. Weathers as long as it’s a one year deal, it’s not to bad. He wasn’t very good last year, 2007 he was better.
If it’s Johan and Lowe, it’s nowhere near the best in baseball. Sorry. I’d take Beckett and Dice-K, the Angels top 2, the Cubs Top 2(especially if they get Peavy). The Rays top 2 are better (no one better then johan but collectively better then johan and lowe)
Lowe is being horribly over-rated. His whole career in the NL he’s had a high 3 era, a 1.27 WHIP and a .260 BAA. Last year he had a career season…. cough cough Contract Year…. and now he’s set to make 16 million a year for 3 years. Sorry I’d rather the mets not sign him for that Price and live with the Up and Down Ollie for 4 mil a year less.
A high 3 era and a 1.27 WHIP makes him overrated? That’s better than what we got from everyone but Johan.
I’m not saying he’s a Bad Pitcher. If he’s getting money like a top of the line starter i expect him to be better then a 3.80 ERA with a .260 BAA.
I wouldn’t give him 15 million a year. I don’t think he is worth that. If you think he is, I’d pay the extra 5 million and go get Sabbathia.
That’s just me. I know he’s an innings eater, and he has never been hurt in his career. I just think Last season an a statistical anomaly for him. He had the best season he ever had as a SP since 2002, his first with the Red Sox.
I’m just saying for the Price he is going to cost, I don’t know if he’s really worth it.
Exactly. Just because the market is crazy does not mean we need to panic. Make some smaller moves keep a check and if you can’t get the guy then find some 2009 Kyle Loshes’. If you are going to over pay for a pitcher it better be the best in the game such as Johan or CC.
CC at 22 million or Lowe at 16+ million? Seems easy to me.
I think Kyle Loshe was a product of Dave Duncan.
That guy turns all sorts of has-been’s and never-was’s into quality SP’s. I mean Brandon Looper, the 2 that shut the mets down for 4 games in 2006, Suppan and i can’t remember the other. I think the guy is a genius, but that’s what people though about Peterson too.
Back to the Mets. I’m being serious. If Lowe is going to be that much, i’d much rather sped a few million less and keep Ollie Perez, or sign a Jon Garland type. They too are innings eaters. And Garland’s numbers don’t look too different then Lowe’s when he was in the AL.
That is just my opinion. I don’t thin Lowe will be worth it. Everyone thought he was the Mets guy because he was 3rd of the “Big 3″. Burnett everyone knew would get more, because he has #1 “STUFF”.
Just look at the numbers. Anybody can say anybody stinks
Lowe has had an era under 4 pretty much every year, he eats innings and most importantly he pitches well when it counts
Manny is so perfect for this team, i just wish the Mets could get him.
Imagine how good he would be batting in between any of Beltran, Delgado and Wright. I’d pay any amount of money to bring him in for 3 years or less.
Manny would
manny would take the pressure off everyone especially Beltran, Reyes and Wright. Manny thrives in pressure and the mets need someone like that in the lineup.
then Omar could make a move and trade for a #2 SP and sign K-Rod. i would even take Wood for less money if it meant getting Manny. trade for street and thats a WS Contender right there
Does anyone think it is remotely possible a package of
F-Mart
Kunz
Parnell
and a guy like Ike Davis
could possibly get peavy?
Nope. Maybe
Fmart, Niese, Murphy, Parnell.
That would not be wise at all.
I hate trading prospects too but Johan and Peavy both pitching twice in a 7 game series. wow.
We’d have to get to a 7 game series first.
and if the Mets sign Manny and K-Rod and trade for Street and a #2 SP, unless there is a devistating injury we’ll be in the playoffs for sure.
I’m pretty sure thats what everyone said last year about bringing in Santana. And we finished a whopping 1 game better, and actually finished 2 more games behind the Phillies who’s only “big” move was bringing in friggin Joe Blanton. Bringing in big names isn’t going to guarantee anything.
If they sign Peavy and him and Santana are healthy the entire year, i dont see how they dont make playoffs. Your basically replacing Oliver Perez with Jake Peavy on an 89 win team… Hows that not a 95-100 win team after that?
Because you still have questions in the bullpen and in what you’ll get from Delgado, and being as he’s our only legit middle of the line-up type bat that’s a problem. Last year we essentially replaced Glavine with Johan and got a very unexpected contribution from Pelfrey and we still only finished one game better.
I think they would laugh at us.
Id just like to point out that this is yet another reason why so many people accuse omar of favoring hispanic players. he praises ibanez and the mets have been linked to him and meanwhile we could get adam dunn for equal or less money, no draft picks, dunn is much younger, theyre comparable in the field (ibanez might actually be worse), both hit left handed, dunn can play 1st, and dunn is a better hitter. frankly i dont know what to think but when stuff like this happens it doesnt help omar’s case.
Agreed. I don’t think Omar is but if he did sign Ibanez for the same terms as Dunn then it would not help his case at all. In fact I myself might question things.
I understand what you’re saying but I really think it probably has more to do with Omar falling into the trap of traditional baseball sterotypes. I.E low average hitting big slow guys are bad, regardless of their power/walk skills, which is why the Red Sox were able to get David Ortiz for next to nothing and why Carlos Pena has been on so many teams before he found a home with the Rays.
Thats a good point. Im not sure it is hispanic bias. But yeah it definitely makes absolutely no sense
Honestly if Omar had a bias towards Hispanic players…wouldn’t we have had Soriano/Beltran/Manny in the outfield already?
Omar had a chance to grab Soriano when he was a FA…
he has a chance to get Manny now…
Plus I think Nick Evans, Trot Nixon, Shawn Greene…Xavier Nady…and Ryan Iglesias Church are far from hispanic….and they have all put on Met uniforms in the OF before Manny and Fonzy…
Has anyone looked at our internal options at 1B..?
I want Evans and Carp to replace Delgado…
In a perfect world. our 2010 infield has Evans/Carp at 1B…Murphy at 2B…Reyes at SS and Wright at 3B…
Beltran in CF…Fernando in LF…and a good bat/arm in RF
by the way, I dont care about race…I bleed blue and orange when it comes to baseball
I still clench when I see Pat Burrell’s name.
the perfect RH bat for LF is Carlos Lee. I know people will jump on his age (ala delgado) and his outrageous contract (18.5 each of next 4 years) but the Stros are anxious to dump his salary, so they might take a lesser package of prospects or provide some cash considerations.
if you could get him for 15 per year, he would transform this lineup next year. I know that GMs dont think this way, but i could care less what i am going to get out of him in his fourth year, I think he would be a monster for at least two or three years.
RH bat with power in LF, other than Manny, who fits that profile?
I think that Houston would be open to some creativity
i love carlos lee for LF he is a legit clean up hitter. I mean the guy played about 3/4 of the season in 08 and still had good numbers and at the time was having an MVP season for the stros. hes not young but hes not ancient hes in his prime, he may fall off towards the end but you know what if it won us a WS would anyone really care come the last year of his contract.
Yeah ive been liking the Carlos Lee notion for a while. but i really think the mets are spending the big bucks on pitching this offseason. And wouldn’t pay that much for a LF
like Lee. gonna look bad maybe by 2011, but might put them over the top the next 2 years. As-suming it is for minor prospects (aka a true salary dupm).
Then trade Delgodao for help elsewhere, and to free up money for pitching.
murphy/evans or a s/t solution can handle 1B.
ideally delgado can net a young player for 2B or C to start plugging (at least in my perception) holes at those positions. Or more pitching.
The wood/street/guardado/parnell/smith/loogy pen is also strong, relatively cheap, and doesn’t cost picks or real prospects (as-suming heilman/felicianl net street)
to recap, trade for: lee, street, other parts.
give up: Delgado, Heilmann, Pedro F, whatever you do for Lee.
sign Wood, guardado, (no picks lost).
Only thing to do then is fill in the rotation. Money still available for a FA (and can lose a pick), and you might get at least a 5 hole guy in the delgado deal. So do that, and sign lowe./sheets or whatever and the team is ready.
I think if I traded for Lee I’d keep delgado for the year. I understand Delgado becomes somewhat expendable with Lee there. But with both, that is a monster lineup. Reyes, Beltran, Wright, Delgado, Lee, Church, hopefully a catcher not named schneider, Castillo.
Murphy could be a utility man playing 1st, left, right, second, maybe third so he could still get some burn
yeah Murph can bat .350 and still get 500 AB’s lol