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Yesterday, at Baseball Prospectus, John Perrotto suggested the Mets and White Sox could be discussing a deal that could send OF Jermaine Dye and RHP Bobby Jenks to the Mets for OF Fernando Martinez and others, according to ‘whispers.’
However, today in Newsday, according to ‘a person familiar with the situation,’ David Lennon writes, ‘There is nothing there,’ with regards to the Dye-Jenks-Mets-Martinez rumor.
In a post to hie blog for the New York Post, Joel Sherman describes the rumor as ‘nonesense,’ after having talked with a few of the team’s executives.
…as i said yesterday, a deal between the Mets and Sox involving dye and jenks may have been true once before…however, from what i can gather, the Mets are more focused on Huston Street, since they match up better with the 
Rockies…plus, i believe he will not cost martinez…more like Nick Evans, if a prospect is needed…
Yesterday, MiLB.com ranked Martinez No. 32 on its annual Top 50 Prospects list. In 2007, he was ranked No. 17.
According to Lennon, ‘The Mets are not prepared to deal Martinez,’ whose name will likely be mentioned a lot during next week’s Winter Meetings in Las Vegas.
…from what i can gather, other teams are leery about martinez, because he is being scouted in essentially the exact-same way he was three years ago, i.e., he’s got tons of potential, great swing, etc., but he has yet to prove his talent…plus, he’s been hurt a lot…
…in the end, it feels like other teams are tired of hearing about his ‘potential,’ despite his young age, and are eager to see him hit, stay healthy and actually produce and dominate, before they once again buy in to the hype…
…this may be why he dropped 15 spots on MiLB.com’s list…
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THANK YOU!!!!!!
Two words: Alex Escobar
Time to trade him now while they still have a chance to get something for him.
I’d throw him, Niese, and Evans at the Padres for Peavy. It’s worth a phone call at least.
the time is not now…his value is lower than it is was, so theres no point to trade him now…I think its very realistic he can bring his value back up, and if thats the case, he probably will be playing with us soon enough anyways.
I agree… besides he’s only 20
He projects nothing like Alex Escobar… Escobar was a “5 tool” guy…
F-mart is a corner power hitting OF.. something like Carlos Lee
Everyone re-friggen lax… F-mart would still go in the right deal.. otherwise he’s gonna stick around we’ll see what happens.
Wright was billed as a 5 tool guy as well…I’d say that one worked out pretty well.
David Wright? that kid’s a bust.
don’t forget # 7.. man what a waste!!
peavy does not want to be on the mets
Two words: Wilmer Flores.
I just like him, he really doesn’t pertain to F-Mart in any way.
The Mets have been historically terrible at evaluating OF talent at the minor league level.
I don’t expect they’ve done better with the THM.
It’s time to trade him before we have to settle on a trade for guys like Church and Schneider.
“Mets not Prepared to trade F-Mart”
Good.
Will it be good when he turns out to be Alex Escobar incarnate?
I’m glad our GM is starting to get a hang of the job..
Lol, read that and saw something completely different and inapropriate!
oh THM, when shall we see thee?
the mets made the mistake of promoting f-mart since he was 17.
they are doing the same eith wilmer flores who is 16.
by the time flores is 18 mets fans will already be tired of him and complaining that he’s a dud. the other day someone said he was the venezualan alex rodriguez. what? not babe ruth? oh, ruth didn’t play ss.
it’s doubtful that either player will be a good mlb player until 22 years old.
you’re very pessimistic. Realistically, it takes time to become a balanced “good” mlb player. It took Reyes a few seasons.
I don’t think they rushing him though. Both of them have not been overwhelmed at each stage. Flores played in the same league Wright did out of high school, yet Flores was there 2 years younger and performed better at that age than Wright did.
Now Flores finished the season at single A-Brooklyn. That’s pretty good for a 17 year old.
Fmart actually played well during a few streaks in AA, but he could never keep those streaks going b/c of injuries. I like how they have challenged these players, and they will be better for it.
there is good and bad to the strategy. It may make the player a bit more “ready” to succeed/fail at higher levels if they had some success and failure when adapting to better pitching along the way with their early promotions. The downside is when they do not mash and destroy the level. From a trade perspective…if they are not killing the level they are at, regardless of age appropriateness for that level, their stock drops and they do not carry as much value.
If you identify a player that you want to keep, the strategy seems sound in that they will be more prepared than most to succeed since they have grown accustomed to making changes to adapt to better pitching.
Downside is they never get supremely confident if they are constantly having to “catch up” to a level
Interesting point. Makes sense that if you want to increase his value, you let him destroy lower levels and get great stats, but by testing them you take a chance that at worst they can hold their own at a league average and in that case, the value should be higher b/c he’s doing so at a younger age than that league.
Obviously you risk him failing and their weaknesses becoming really apparent. But I guess you trust and hope that this young kid can learn from his older teammates and from the increased level of opposition to improve those weaknesses so when the time comes to play in the ML, they are more balanced and ready to perform more consistently.
You’d rather have the kid learn from his weaknesses in a minor league level than at the ML level (failing early at the ML could really setback one’s confidence)
pessemistic about what?
there are only 2 position players in mlb that were successful at 21 years old last year: jay bruce and justin upton.
and they were actually impressive in the minors.
pessemistic about Fmart and Wilmer…You say they are being rushed and that Wilmer will be a dud at age 18. Thats a different statement then saying they won’t be good until age 22.
I agree that it may take until their 22 to become good MLB players and that will be a result of them being challenged in the minor leagues. If they weren’t challenged, it may take a few more years until they were ready to play in the ML. The idea is make these kids more balanced and more ML-ready when they finally get their cup of coffee. In the Mets eyes, they have the talent to be challenged. I’d say Wilmer has responded well to that, and Fmart has at times(is now in a small sample size in DWL) but Fmart has been delayed b/c of injuries.
you need to re-read what i wrote.
i didn’t say wilmer would be a dud nor did i say either player wouldn’t be a good player.
We held on to him for so long…I don’t see why we’d trade him away right now, when he’s even closer to performing for us. His hype today is similar to what it was 3 years ago and that has to be because he hasn’t been able to stay on the field to really have a chance at meeting or exceeding expectations.
Reyes was the same way at a similar age, yes Reyes debuted in ML at 19, but that was more of a testament of how great a talent he was and how he was able to perform right away defensively while letting his offense catch up. Point is, Reyes underwent numerous injuries (wrist and hamstring) before really taking off.
Beat me to it!!
Yes…he beat me to it, too. Reyes came up at a young age with tons of potential. And all of a sudden he was hammered with injuries.
I am glad to see Omar giving F-Mart a chance.
I wouldn’t trade prospects for a closer, just get K-Rod for whatever price and get this over with whether at or just after the winter meetings. All the trade possibilities are interesting to read about but it’s just silly trading for Dye and Jenks while the Mets probably got to give up F-Mart, Parnell, Kunz and other pieces to get them.
Pay K-Rod, trade for Street and sign one or two lesser free agents. Dunn could be had for a reasonable price, way more reasonable than say Manny Rameriz would. I’d still keep an eye on the Rameriz situation and how that plays out but he would be more like a fallback option to the others.
I remember when we had a guy named Jose Reyes who was all potential but couldn’t stay healthy. I say be patient with this kid.
and that was at the ML level not AA!! patience Danielson.
It’s just amazing how it seemed Jose Reyes couldn’t stay on the field for more than a week and then one day his body seemed to tell him “Ok, I’m done being injured now!” Not alot of guys bodies react that way, usually when you get injured often, the body usually breaks down here and there.
The Mets are not prepared to trade him because his value is lower that what his potential is, period.
that didn’t stop us with Milledge. I still agree though.
But by that time I don’t think they thought that Milledge’s value would increase. Not to mention that I think they traded Milledge because of Fmart.
They def did not.. how are the two related at all?
I think they said we have Fmart let’s get a polished RF while Milledge still has value. I think they valued Fmart more than Milledge and did not see a longterm place for him in the OF because of Fmart.
The Mets given up more on Milledge because of his attitude if it was based upon talent alone, I believe he would still be here.
Attidtude was for sure part of it. I also think they realized that he was not ready to start in RF for them and needed a more permanent solution.
in the end, it feels like other teams are tired of hearing about his ‘potential,’ despite his young age, and are eager to see him hit, stay healthy and actually produce and dominate, before they once again buy in to the hype…
Other teams? How about US FANS?
Time for hype to translate to reality
Exactly. We have made so many of our decisions the last 2 years based on Fmart. He needs to have a good year this year.
He does … but not all the decisions were based solely on him. You have to remember, we had two other outfield prospects who were both traded last season. The decisions were based on the fact that we had 3 options … not just one. Things changed after those trades.
Come on, it’s more fun to blame not trading Fernando as the reason why we don’t have every good player that was ever on the trading block.
And then resent him as a prospect because of it.
Danny I don’t resent Fmart if you are refering to me, nor do I proclaim that for sure Fmart could have gotten us……
I am just saying that IF his value does not increase then we MAY have been better off trading him. But that of course is hindsight. I trust that Omar knows what he is doing.
I wasn’t singling you out. It’s a popular notion among a lot of Mets fans.
I just think we need to give him ample time to grow. The expectations are out of whack. He’s a real talent with a chance to be a great player. It’s not hard to see when you watch him play.
He does need to take a step forward this year, no question. He has been hyped since he was 16, now is the time he really comes into his own, or at least shows that he can.
See, he doesn’t HAVE to take a step forward this year. He’s still only 20 years old. It’s okay if he blows up at 21 or 22 years old, I promise.
I don’t know if F-Mart is real or not, but unless you are going to pull in a Johan Santana, you need to keep a lot of these big prospects.
The Red Sox are now the organization to emulate. Bring in players when it doesn’t deplete your system, supplement with Free Agents that don’t block others, pay your own FA’s for what you expect in future, not what they did in past.
Interesting Joel Sherman post
1. A rumor was floated yesterday that the Mets are working on a blockbuster that would net them both Bobby Jenks and Jermaine Dye from the White Sox, with top prospect Fernando Martinez going to Chicago. Talked to a few Met officials who called it nonsense. The Mets have made Martinez all but untouchable. What falls under the category of real, the Post has learned, is that the Mariners have made J.J. Putz available. The Mets plan on speaking to Seattle officials at the Winter Meetings, but they will have plenty of competition as many clubs are interested in Putz, such as the Indians. Putz is due $5 million in 2009 with an $8.6 million option in 2010 or a $1 million buyout. So he has the combination of cost certainty and a quality arm.
The Mets like Putz as much – or possibly more – than any of the available free-agent closers. That led one AL official to ask “If the Mets trade for Putz, then K-Rod (Francisco Rodriguez) and (Brian) Fuentes are really in trouble. Where are they going to get the big money then? Maybe if the prices drop enough the Angels come back and re-sign K-Rod (he turned down a three-year, $40 million deal last year).”
I do keep hearing from both inside and outside the Met organization that they really are dead set against giving either Rodriguez or Fuentes more than three guaranteed years. They certainly are not going to give more than three years unless an agent for Fuentes or K-Rod can show an offer from somewhere else for more than three years. It is hard to unearth a team that is ready to go to four years for one of them. The Mets are scared about Kerry Wood’s injury history, but if he were willing to do a two-year contract and come to New York he would become as appealing to the Mets as either K-Rod or Fuentes.
2. If you are looking for a sign that the Mets are being frugal with their dollars then know this: The Rays offered Chad Bradford to the Mets because $3.5 million is too much in Tampa’s world for a set-up man, and Ray officials were shocked when the Mets told them it is too much for them, as well. Bradford pitched to a 2.12 ERA between Baltimore and Tampa last season. Pitching for the Red Sox, Mets, Orioles and Tampa over the past four seasons, Bradford has worked to a 2.92 ERA. He does not strike out many, just 101 in 209 1-3 innings, but he also does not walk many (48). The blow away stat, however, is that he has allowed just six homers in those 209 1-3 innings.
We already have Chad Bradford…his name is Joe Smith.
Only, Chad Bradford is better.
and if tampa wanted to dump his salary… and our bullpen… Id take him
he’s more established…I don’t think we can say Joe Smith won’t/can’t be better.
I still think he would add some stability… maybe omar is saving money for something special…
Won’t be/Can’t be is a lot different than is.
Bradford is still a situational guy – he can go only vs. righties, and the Mets are loaded with specialists
thats true mikey…but I think it has more to do with what Ravi said.
Interesting article though….can’t really see any faults with their thinking.
wonder what it would take to get Putz
remember the mets only made a $30m profit last year.
–forbes.com
is that true? that must be related to Citi construction.
third highest profits in baseball.
oh…thats good then…I don’t know, that seems low to me…but I’m not really familiar with the norm for professional team profits.
I think the problem is that Bradford, although better, is too similar to Smith. The Mets need non-specialist and I am sure would rather spend their money on those guys.
even if F-mart doesn’t have a good season he still will be 20 years old!! he develop really quick and is a pure hitter, he will come into his own, like i said before, reyes went trough numerous of injuries but came up into the mets becoz the mets were irrelevant and they plug him in and we saw him grow, now it seeems we rather have veterans in there.. we should at least habve him in the field platooning.. but then again HE IS ONLY 20 YEARS OLD!!
even if F-mart doesn’t have a good season he still will be 20 years old!! he develop really quick and is a pure hitter, he will come into his own, like i said before, reyes went trough numerous of injuries but came up into the mets becoz the mets were irrelevant and they plug him in and we saw him grow, now it seeems we rather have veterans in there.. we should at least habve him in the field platooning.. but then again HE IS ONLY 20 YEARS OLD!!
Why is it that so many of us see him as a sure thing and say that because Reyes was injured a lot Fmart will be good. I hope you are right but we really have seen nothing yet to say that Fmart will be a great player.
well, if it helps he’s healthy and playing really good in the winter league.. i personally will see him when i go the 19th of this month and let you guys know.. from what i heard the kid is the real deal!! relax..
I put no stock in the AHWL. (That’s the Anderson Hernandez Winter League)
Some say he’ll be great while others say he’s “Alex Escobar”. I say let it play out.
Agree, at this point to me we have no choice. If his value is as low as reported.
True, but its a reason to be patient…You hope he can follow that same path Reyes did…
The precedent is there from Reyes
the mets always overhype their prospects the thing is where is this power that people attribute to Martinez. 22 HR in 926 career minor league AB isnt very impressive.
Until Martinez can prove he can dominate at a AA level, he needs to stay there indefinately
Thye all say that because he is young and has a big frame that he will develop power. They have no idea if it’s true or not. I for one see .280 20 HR .340 OBP
He also has a quick swing and shows tremendous power to both fields during batting practice.
duh?
at 16 this kid was just raking the ball, everybody was impressive and thought he by 19 was gonna be a monster… is not over hyping, is more of a hungry reality, how many 20 year old are playing for a contending team right now? if anybody finds me 3 or 4 it will be a lot.. teams let their prospect develop.. we shouldn’t be any different..
this might sound crazy but i wouldnt mind it at all
lets trade delgado , heilman , and showenwise, duanor sanchez
for carl crawford , balfour , and andy sonnanstine
then we trade luis castillo, ryan church daniel murphy and low level prospect if have to for jermaine dye and bobby jenks
sign mark texeria 10 year – 180 million-18 or less for 1st season
sign orlando hudson 4 years 45 mill-8 mil 1st season
sign oliver perez -5 years-50 mill-8 mill 1st season
thats only 34 million on budget for next year a lil over wat they can spend but i doubt the wilpons will care if it makes us alot better
reyes
hudson
texeria
wright
beltran
dye
crawford
schnieder/cancel/castro i pefer cancel over castro because the man jus stays in better shape and wont break down
pitcher
were def going to need a setup man which i think hoffman would take low price if we tell him were trying to win a world series
and we need a lil upgrade on the bench
but i really wouldnt mind this at all it makes us a great team with power and alot of speed which is how we use 2 play and we need 2 continue and can do that with reyes and hudson and crawford and beltran running all day tell me wat you guys think
that sound is the rays gm laughing.
i’d spend the money on pitching not teixeira and hudson
reyes-6 millions
hudson-11 millions
texeria-18 millions
wright-9 millions
beltran-18 millions
dye-11 millions
crawford-10 millions
only the lineup will invest 83 millions… you’re going a lil yankee-like lineup..
Not really a good come back to my other plan at all was it? As far out as my plan was this is to the moon Alice.
what are you guys talking about your telling me you rather keep castillo? church that cant hit lefties for a lick and delgado who only going 2 last 1 more year and only hits off the left side than upgrade our team? and by doing this david wright finally gets 2 hit cleanup and become the true leader of our team forget castilo n all them other bums i mean no disrespect 2 delgado the man can hit but its time is up texeria is the real deal and franshice player to with reyes and wright once beltran leaves so revaluate what you say this aint no yankee team i aint say nothing about offering giambi 180 million lol im talking about texeria baby get with the program
It’s not that we like Delgado, Castillo, Church or don’t like Tex. It’s just you are not going to get rid of Castillo that way and most of your trades are just unrealistic.
Not sure why this was taken down but…
According to MLB Trade Rumors, “Derek Lowe has received two offers. One is from the Phillies, and the other is not from the Yankees or Red Sox. Masarotti believes Lowe will land a three or four-year deal at $15-16MM per. ”
Great, so the Phillies have already made a move for the guy we all want. I’m not sure who the second team is but you can bet that, if it were the Mets, we would have heard whispers already
Oh no, Lowe’s agent forgot to ask Omar if he would top the offer. Man what a bad agent. If the Phillies make the first offer to Lowe that does not mean we won’t top it IF we want him.
Certainly not! But my point is, we’re so focused on our BP (for good reason I might add) that people are already making offers to SP’s that we want. I certainly don’t expect Lowe, or anyone else, to jump at the first offer. But, the Phillies throwing out an offer first, shows their clear intentions of wanting to sign him.
I’m sure we’ll make a bid but I’d like to know that it’s on the horizon. I don’t want to see a guy like Lowe swept out from underneath us….especially by the Phils…God how I loath them.
WE all hate the Phillies. Fact is still, however, that the Mets regardless if they are concentrating on BP or Bench coach will have their say in any offer of any big name FA. The best thing they can do is not bid against themselves. That is why they are not the ones making the 1st offers.
Lowe is perfect for us but will cost too much, to be honest i woldnt be suprised if Omar pulled a rabbit out of his hat and got a good SP that noone really thought about
How accurate do you think the reported interest in putz is?
Do you think it is b/c the front office believes that kunz or parnell are close to becoming closers and they would rather not be locked into krod or fuentes ?
Or do you think it is played up to further drive down Krod and Fuentes prices? After all, the report came from the Post, not the Seattle Post Intelligencer.
Or is it to get Putz as a setup man?
the mets arent going to give up top prospects for Jenks. It makes no sense given the closers market.
I think they like Putz … cheaper and it will allow them to spend money in other areas… Still dont think they will get one of the top FA SP’s…. I wonder what Seattle would want… maybe a package to include Washburn too add some pitching depth
I am a bit uncomfortable with the whole Putz talk. He doesn’t seem all that good, whereas KRod is far superior, and wouldn’t cost any talent. Could they be trying to get by on the cheap?
The other thing is that this is posturing to drive the cost of FA closers down (I think this is more likely.)
before his injuries last year, Putz was very good. Probably better than K Rod over the couple of years (other than the gaudy save number).
I would love to have him, the question is, what is the cost?
That would be great and I really hope the Mets do something along those lines. I just wonder how willing a guy like Putz would be to come to NY to be a set-up man (potential closer) rather than a closer outright.
look the Mets arent going to get Jenks for Castillo, Heilman and Kunz.
its gonna take like Murphy, Parnell and Kunz. I’d rather pay for a closer, lose the draft pick and keep the top prospects. K-Rod is much better than Jenks anyway
Man Met fans really are impatient. The kid just turned 20 and he’s a bust.
I would love to see a list of all players who were called up at 19 and 20. I guarantee any of them are pretty good, if not hall of fame players.
Wow give the guy a chance. And if he comes up and hits like .265 with 12 homers. Everyone will be calling him a bust.
I mean Jose Reyes was a bust when he only played 120 games in his first 2 years to the tune of a 260 average.
Well, if the Mets want Putz since he is only there for a couple of years (to not block a closer of the future), then even a better idea is spend a little more $ on Wood, for 2 years, and save the prospects you would have to trade for Putz.
And Putz is not a FA. If they trade for him, he gets to pitch when they tell him to. Even if it isn’t what he would prefer to do 9ask AH about that!)
Hard to imagine Lowe going to the phils though. That could be their budget right there. And I dno’t think they have a cheap option in house for LF.
Just because a team trades for you and tells you to pitch the 8th doesn’t mean you go out and do a great job–especially if you feel like you should be pitching the 9th.
Look at how many closers have comparatively poor numbers in non-save situations (Mariano and Lidge last year, for example). Closers are closers b/c they have a certain mentality, and for whatever reason, don’t always succeed in situations where they aren’t the closer, just as set-up men can’t all become closers. If there’s one lesson we’ve learned over the last year, it’s this.
The Mets could trade for Putz and tell him to catch; it doesn’t mean he’ll be happy and productive.
Putz and a salary dump like Washburn (is he any good at all?) is intriquing, as long as the dumpee can adaquately fill a real need (in this case, 5th starter).
All depends on what goes back. If it is something like Evans/Kunz for Putz/Washburn (mets eating money), that doesn’t look bad at all. Looks worse if it is F mart and Neise say. Maybe expand (murphy/M’s catching prospect, lots of ways to go).
Pick up street, sign Tex and Sheets. Or at least wolf.
Trade Delgado for reinforcements (ideally a C or 2B of at least the near future).
That team works.
” it feels like other teams are tired of hearing about his ‘potential,’ despite his young age, and are eager to see him hit, stay healthy and actually produce and dominate, before they once again buy in to the hype…”
Other teams AND Met fans.
Don’t know why Matt didn’t post the more interesting part of this article by Sherman which said the Rays basically offered to dump Chad Bradford off to the mets to dump salary. But the mets weren’t willing to eat his 3.5 million dollar salary. THREE. FIVE. If there was ever a sign to expect a cheap offseason, this is it.
I highly doubt that. Sherman is not reliable.