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According to two reports from MLB.com, the Tigers and Rockies may be showing interest in free-agent LHP Joe Beimel, who has reportedly been seeking a multi-year deal.
…i sense Mets fans are pretty split on beimel…i like him, some do not…the thing is, it may not matter…
…from what i can gather, in an effort to re-make their bullpen, the Mets are working to trade for a set-up man with experience as a closer, such as Huston Street; then sign an actual closer, like Francisco Rodriguez; and then sign one or two relief pitchers, also with experience as a closer, to round out the pen, while counting on Joe Smith, Brian Stokes and Pedro Feliciano to be part of the group next season…
…actually, more than one person has suggested to me that Omar Minaya will meet with free-agent RHP Chad Cordero sooner than later…there are concerns about cordero’s shoulder, following mid-season surgery, so the team may want to see him in action in advance of any serious talks i guess…
…in the end, i sense the Mets do not want to lock in to any long-term deals with a guy such as beimel, especially if they can trade for some one like street…however, not including the closer, i believe the team is interested in reshaping and building up its bullpen with low-risk, potentially high-reward pitchers on short-term contracts, so cordero is a logical option…
In November, MLB.com reported that the Mets, Angels, Rangers and Tigers had shown early interest in Cordero.
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I like Cordero better then Beimel if healthy because if any injury occurs he can step in and close…the same can be said for Huston Street
I think that is the idea.
A Team of Closers, so to speak.
Hey Matt,
I read on the Boston Globe website that the Phillies have made Lowe an offer. Have you heard anything about that?
Yup, i read it to on another site, sems like 2 teams have offered him a contract, the phillies being one of them
smart way to go …if omar can pull it off
Since that has worked so well elsewhere…soon the whole bullpen will be pulling an Aaron Heilman and want to get out of here for being stuck in a lower role.
This is the same GM btw that said he saw no reason that Luis Ayala couldn’t be the closer for this team in the playoffs.
Now all he wants to acquire is relievers with closing experience.
Ladies and Gentelmen, the GM of your New York Mets!
In fairness, who else would have closed at that point? I think he was putting that line about Ayala closing out there so as to not rock the boat, which was shaky enough.
Of course he should have said he saw no reason Ayala couldn’t close. What did you want him to say? “We know Luis Ayala isn’t good enough to be the closer for us in the playoffs, but we’ve got no choice and we’ll just cross our fingers and hope he gets lucky.”
Chad Cordero would be an interesting guy for the 7th or 8th inning. He needs to prove he is healthy first, kind of like what they did with Al Reyes.
Any updates on trade-talks about Street? We keep hearing that is a guy we have targeted, but any actual movements of late?
ayala at least was good for us to a certain poitn, why not sign him instead of cordero to be out 7th innin guy? k-rod or putz then street then everybody else between the 6th and 7th…
if so why not get guardado as well?!
Or Juan Cruz.
I say bring in as many quality arms as possible in the most cost efficient way possible.
if we get putz he will only cost 5millions, which means we can sign someone like kerry wood to set up as well.. boy can you imagine those two throwing GAS in the 8th and 9th inning??..
he will also cost u our top prospects and to lose murphy, f-mart or niese to save 5 mil a year doesnt make sense
5 million, and some serious prospects for Putz. At this point, the mets can afford the $ more than the talent.
agree, but if the package is not exagerated i wouldn’t be mad if we get him..
Cruz is a type A free agent why sign him when we can trade Heilman and a prospect to get Street and sign K-rod and even Cordero. Cruz does not fit in the pitcher at all unless the Street and K-Rod deals fall threw. Plus Cruz will want at least 2 years possibly 3 years. No reason a 7th inning guy should be given that type of deal. Look at Shoe for an example. Cruz is better then Shoe but Omar made that mistake already.
I consider draft picks part of cost.
And I wrote this out yesterday but my thinking would be. Sign Wood, no draft pick cost, trade for Street and/or sign Hoffman, the money and pick you save by signing Wood instead of street makes it easier to spend money on Hoffman or prospects on Street. Use the draft pick you saved to bring in Juan Cruz. I think that gives us a better bullpen than just K-rod and possibly Street or Hoffman.
By signing wood instead of k-rod*. Obviously this depends on how far K-rod comes down from his initial asking cost but I have hard time prefering to give up a draft pick on K-rod than on Wood. Especially when saving that pick will give you more depth to the bullpen, something we needed desperately last year.
And obviously those are just names I’m throwing out. You can put Putz into the mix with Hoffman and Street and everyday eddie with Juan Cruz. My point would be bringing in as many quality options as you can.
So your saying a bullpen of Wood Street/Hoffman Cruz would be better then K-Rod, Street?
I wonder if the Mets will look into Wood more since it will not cost them draft picks to sign him. I just think like many teams his injury history is something to worry about.
I don’t like the idea of Hoffman. I mean if Omar can not pull off a trade for Street and Hoffman wants to be the 8th inning guy (which I highly doubt he wants to be a setup man rather then a closer) then ok but I don’t no I me personally I love the idea of having K-Rod closing with Street setting him up.
lol they had plenty of depth last year just not a enough good arms lol.
But I think keeping Joe Smith, Stokes, Feliciano given Parnell, Kunz a chance in less pressure rolls like the 6th and 7th inning is fine. They were pitching in roles that they should not be last year.
I would not mind having Cruz at all, I just don’t think they will go that rout if he is only going to be a 7th inning pitcher.
chad cordero would be the perfect guy along with street and K-Rod. add one more lesser-known arm and add that to Stokes/Figueroa, Smith and Felciano and that is a rock-solid bullpen.
then sign Manny and get a #2 SP, and get Eckstein to add some heart to the team and there u go
How about spending a few dollars instead of acting like a mid-small market team? Be aggressive- take a page out of the Braves (Burnett) or Phillies’ book. Looks like 3rd place is a lock.
relax, those guys will be good in our bullpen and that can save us money to get someone in a short term… say like #24..
our payroll dwarfs both the phillies and the Braves, and we finished in between the 2. That tells you one thing, spending money means very little. People who complain about us not spending enough money are just naive/ignorant/don’t know anything about baseball. I advise you choose a different sport to follow considering your utter lack of any sort of comprehension of this game.
Agree 100%
All you have to do to prove that is look at the yankees this decade. High payroll, and nothing to show for it.
Manny and K-Rod isn’t enough, you sound like a spoiled kid on christmas…
how so? if we get #24 don’t you think we’d be the favorites to win it all? i’d think so…
Which is the same thing everyone said about getting Santana last year.
win the division and winning it all are 2 different things.. I think that with him we would reclaim the division and be odds favorite to win it all..
Not everyone, Gina.
Lol yeah, not everyone everyone, but the majority of posters in here were definitely ready to buy their world series tickets in March.
OM is right to be wary of multi-year deals for middle relievers.
Schoeneweis is owed $3.6m in 2009 (last year of a 3-year).
& do the Mets still owe Wagner $10.5m next year for the final year of his 4-year deal? Is there insurance?
Man – Lindstrom, Heath Bell, even Chad Bradford. Too bad we dont have those guys to go with a K-Rod and Street.
No insurance. Wagner was a damage risk when they signed him.
They had no choice when they signed Wags. It was a Cloder’s market that year. If the mets did not give him a 4 year deal he would have got it elsewhere. If KROD was the only option this year, he would probably get 4 or 5 years.
Joe Beimel’s numbers look good over the last 3 years, although i admitted have never seen him pitch. I do not feel that locking up a lefty in the pen for 3 years is that bad of a move since there is a premium on lefties in the pen. I would rather have just about anyone in the pen as our go to lefty guy than Feliciano after his last years performance.
I guess it depends on the contract. For example I think Schow. got too much money from us for too long of a contract. for the quality of performance we got from him. Schow was all right but probably did not perform up to the money…
The two lefty specialists we already have are much better than Beimel. Beimel’s surface numbers look better than the actual type of pitcher he is because of what Dodger stadium does to offense.
I guess I am hesitant to watch Felicano blow more games for us next year. His performance in 07 was better than 08, but he is not really they guy I want facing lefties out of the pen.
Didn’t Beimel do some emergency closing for the dodgers last year or the year before?
Have you seen his splits against lefties vs Beimel’s splits. Feliciano and Show were way way more effective. The problem was we had nothing but specialist so we kept using them against righties.
A name I haven’t really heard anything about, here or anywhere else really, is Brandon Lyon. His BAA was horrible last year, although it was way above his career levels so it could have just been an aberration, but other than that he has very solid numbers all around and has closing experience. And is a type B free agent.
gina,
he was really good but he kinda fell off from earth.. donnelly is another guy i might wanna take a look at.. eddie guardado can also help us
Alex- do you mean Brendan Donnelly? If you do, he has been getting worse the last 3 years, it wasn’t just a one year aberration. The Red Sox cut him last year.
I agree on Guardado.
another good option for a middle/late “swing” guy.
When you call Chad Cordero “low risk,” you much be talking just abuot the money because a pitcher coming of shoulder surgery is a HUGE risk. If we’re building our bullpen around these guys, then it could be a looooooooooong season.
MLB Trade Rumors says the Mets are talking with the M’s about Putz. Really??? Putz clearly went backwards in 2008, posting a career-high WHIP of 1.597. His command when buh-bye as he walked more than twice as many hitters in almost half the innings. His K/BB rate went from a sparkling 6.3/1 to a disappointing 2/1.
I can’t believe this bullpen is going to end up being closer JJ Putz, set up man Huston Street (who also saw his K-rate drop and his K/BB ration plummet) and Chad Cordero.
Sign K-Rod dammit. He, too, saw a slight dip in K’s from the year before, but he walked the same number of hitters. The red flags just aren’t there like they are for Putz, Street and Cordero.
This is crazy.
can people relax alredy? What sense does it make to sign Krod right now? His price is only going to go DOWN! His agent will give the Mets the chance to beat any other offer, so just hold out, look at other options, make Krod’s price come down even more, and then sign him, or if you get a great deal on a Putz, you do that, and a Street. Some of you people want all of this to be done yesterday, and it amazes me that you can’t understand why it hasn’t happened yet.
I don’t care when it gets done. My point is that if they sign Putz, it’s because they don’t want to pay K-Rod or Fuentes. That’s being cheap… not smart. Putz is a huge risk.
signing Krod to 4-5 years is a risk as well, which is why you wait for him to come down to 3 years.
Like I said… I’m not against waiting. But if we trade for JJ Putz, the Mets market is closed for K-Rod or Fuentes. Mark my words.
The Mets have said continually that they want a setup man with closer experience. I am sure they view Putz and Street as similar players who could fit that mold.
Wags salary is uninsured, and now a sunk cost. Pretend it doesn’t exist!
I love the idea of Cordero on a make good deal (incentive laden? If not minor league).
Trade for street (as reported), sign Wood for 2 years (no draft pick lost) and sign Gordado. That is a strong, flexible back end. and not too expensive, or long term.
then fill in the rest from felician/shoe (but no more than 1), parnell, stokes, smith, and whatever else you find laying around (preferably some non-specialist power arms!), and the pen should be way more solid.
Then shore up the SP, preferably with a guy that can go deep to take some load off the pen. not Garland though (please, no!)
you’d love to be able to say $10.5 mill doesn’t really exist wouldn’t you? Too bad baseball is a business, run by businessmen, and they’re trying to make money, not lose it. I highly doubt anyone is considering Wagner’s contract like it “doesn’t exist.”
I understand what you’re saying but in a sense I think they should be looking at it as if it doesn’t exist since it’s only one year. It shouldn’t, not saying it won’t but it would be poor long-term thinking, if it affected whether they gave a relatively long-term contract to another closer.
Or if they worried about Delgado’s salary this year keeping them from getting a big name player for the future.
Wagner’s sunk cost doesn’t really just “disappear.” They are part of your revenue and income statement.
What you aren’t supposed to do is include sunk costs in any decision going forward. So, it would be akin to saying “We have $10M already invested in Wagner, let’s trade for Putz and then we’ll have $15M invested in the closer position.” It doesn’t work that way for deciding future “projects” to invest in.
$.02…. thrown.
stick guy, lol, good point, no garland but i think that’s where we headed.. wood i love but he’s always hurt.. that’s why him and either k-rod or putz (if it doesn’t cost you a lot of prospects) would be a devastating 8 9 th inning combo.. the best in the NL hands down..
Smith
Feliciano
Ayala
Cordero
Street
K Rod
that is a bullpen that can shut down the opponents
any word on maine’s health?
You need another guy, I would guess it would be Stokes.
parnell – provided he doesnt get moved for street. i liked him but i prefer smith – proven big leaguer
Just read that the Stros want to move Valverde!! Yes please! This guy is better than Putz, Jenks and Street and if we trade for him could be the best set up guy in baseball. His 1-2-3 inning numbers were the best in MLB last season, he has great control.
But even if we can’t get him, this further drives the market for KRod and Fuentes down.
imagine him and k-rod going crazy after striking out somebody?? teams would hate us even more!!! which if we get manny i wouldn’t care.. coz he would automatically install some b***s in the lineup!!
yea im excited to have an animalistic closer on our side finally. wags was more gritty than wild, and looper was just a disgrace. pumping fists in a packed out citi field. the destruction of shea marks the destruction of the collapse that looms over us.
not only that we can look at anybody from the marlins or the phillies and say: “WHAT??” after one of them two strikes somebody out.. if teams hate us we might as well give them a reason to..
since we need a closer and a set up what would be the best combination for you guys..? mine would be and has been from the get go K-ROD and WOODS..
Woods will not come here to setup. That makes no sense. There are plenty of options for him to close.
The reason we mention guys like Putz and Street as setup men is they don’t have a choice.
Wood likely wants to close somewhere and may get that shot in Texas. It’s not likely he’d come in as a set up man.
The Mets should get K-Rod and go after a legitimate setup men, like Juan Cruz. If they want to fill out the bullpen with reclamation projects like Chad Cordero and Huston Street, then good luck. K-Rod and Cruz shut down the 8th and 9th innings.
I sure hope someone in the Mets’ front office remembers how we lost the last two seasons.
Unless Wood’s price is incredibly low, lower than I can imagine, you’re looking at spending 20 million per on two bullpen arms.
then i don’t see where the mets are heading, they need pitching but they haven’t been mentioned on any of the top starters out there either, so im wondering where they gonna spend it if not in the bullpen..
That’s actually a good point, although we were mentioned in connection with Lowe, I’d worry we’ll spend a lot on K-rod. Waste money and a draft pick on a guy like Ibanez, and then sign a bunch of scrap heap guys/reclamation projects.
But why would Wood come here to setup? He’s cost himself money now and money later when his contract is up. He would rather get 2/20 from Cleveland to Close than 2/20 from us to setup.
Q? Where do you think he’d have a better chance to win here or in cleveland if he’s making the same amount of $?
I expect Cleveland to bounce back so I’d say he actually might have a better chance their just because of the division with the Tigers basically destroying their future last year and the White Sox seemingly trying to rebuild, although obviously the league as a whole would make it harder. But I think overall it would be pretty even. And Cleveland giving him a chance to close would push them over the edge.
It’s not always about winning for a guy that’s 32. He has to think about his next contract too. Do you think he would make more money in 2011 after being a closer for 2 years or a setupman for 2 years?
agree, but then again, he’s always hurt.. he can be one injury away to scare teams away..
Since the Astros are looking to cut payroll maybe Omar can look into acquiring Roy Oswalt and Jose Valverde (as a set up guy) for a package of Fernando Martinez, Mike Pelfrey, Robert Parnell, Eddie Kunz, and Daniel Murphy.
What do you guys think?
we need to fill a SP why would we trade pelfrey? i agree to go and ask for oswalt but not for pelfrey..
Not a fan. At all.
It doesn’t make any sense to trade Pelfrey for Oswalt. Oswalt wasn’t that much better than Pelfrey last year and Oswalt is 6 years older and much more expensive. We’d be downgrading at SP and dealing four other top prospects just to get Valverde to be a set up guy? Ouch.
pelf has potential to be just as good as oswalt. why would we move all our best prospects just for valverde wen we can easily sign krod(9th) and cordero(8th) and not loose a single piece
TERRIBLE TRADE. Sorru but that’s just bad? Fmart, Pelfrey and Murphy? LOL.
FYI: The focus on the bullpen shouldn’t keep them from upgrading the starting rotation. The Braves are pushing hard for Burnett and the Phils have made an offer to Lowe.
That will be a disaster for the Mets if they miss out on all the top starters. Jon Garland? Ugh.
Well I figured they wouldnt take an unknown quantity in Niese. And yeah its alot of our top guy but hey you know the stros are gonna ask for more..
What do you guy realistically think our team will look like next year?
I hope Omar does something for the bench too.
that’s the thing NY4 we don’t know what’s out there, we don’t know wether to believe the rumors or not coz that’s all they are.. to be honest, regardless of what we do we’d be in contention becoz of #7, SUPERMAN and D.wright..
If I could guess right now what the lineup will look like next year.
Delgado
Castillo
Reyes
Wright
Schnieder
Rivera
Beltran
Church
Murphy, Pagan, Castro, Endy, Lorretta/Grudzy type
Pen
Krod
Street
Smith
Feliciano/Show
Stokes
Sanchez
Scrap heap guy
Rotation
Johan
Pelfrey
Perez
Maine
Niese/Scrap heap
Again, this is not what I want but this is what I think we will get.
I’m praying no castillo at all cost!! please no more of him..
Just don’t see it happening. He will be here at least part of the year next year.
(just vomit in mouth).. thanks for the news.. this is worse news than that time we signed bobby b. again..
How could you think otherwise? We are stuck for a little while at least.
can’t he just admit that he made a horrible signing and get rid of this jinx!!!
Not going to happen. They can’t afford to. Because a horrible Castillo is still better than an Awful Reyes and they can’t afford to have Castillo and Hudson.
what about o-hudson. i feel he’ll be a met. everyone is worried about pitchers. minaya will swoop in and grab once the meetings r over. send castillo in the trade for street provided the prospects we send r desireable enough
k-rod (3 years, $42m)
street (for heilman + another)
smith
feliciano or schoenweis
sanchez
stokes
santana
pelfrey
maine
penny (1 year @ $10 + incentives)
garland (2 years @ $22)
or big splash: peavy (for f-mart, niese, muniz, carp)
reyes
church
wright
dunn (3 years @ 36m)
beltran
delgado
castro/schneider
castillo or murphy
like penny, but i rather have ollie perez than garland honestly.. dunn i don’t like much but i guess is an upgarde.. i just hope not to see castillo anymore!! UGH!!
Omar should just pull the trigger on the Heiman and Feliciano for Street deal. Maybe have the Rockies throw a marginal prospect.
The quicker we get Street, maybe K-ROD’s agents will want to negotiate.
In addition, Cordero would be a smart move. I’d say $1.5 Million guaranteed for one year is fair.
And if we trade Feliciano, just keep Scho and try and get a few of those minor league free agents.
As for the outfield, we should just try and have tampa expand the sonnastine or jackson trade to include Crawford..just a thought..but who we gonna trade right..
I’m so addicted to this site that I need to check it every 5 mins. haha
OMAR make a move..ya know what i mean!!!
I dont know if aquiring street will help move the process with KROD and his agents. Cause they know the Mets dont intend to use him as there closer.
If they trdae for Jenks, or Putz, than maybe. But not street
hey TRS86..yeah i was thinking a similar lineup..so sad with all the money the Wilpon’s have, a new stadium, and a TV network…well hey i guess spending money doesnt guarantee anything..
DAMN Philties!
What does that have to do with the Phillies?
“i believe the team is interested in reshaping and building up its bullpen with low-risk, potentially high-reward pitchers on short-term contracts,”
Isn’t this like saying, “I believe the team is interested in all its draft picks becoming solid to al-star caliber major leaguers?” What GM is interested in low-risk low-reward players? What GM is interested in high-risk low-reward players? The only thing you’ll occasionally see is someone taking a chance with high-risk high-reward players.
Of course the Mets are interested in low-risk high-rewards. Who isn’t?
Sorry i just read an article on Brad Lidge before i posted.
Hey guys, I’ve added the projected Mets payroll on tex4mets.wordpress.com
Let me know if you have trouble seeing the chart.
Can the Mets afford Mark Teixeira? I think so.
BTW, a team of closers is an excellent idea and hope it actually happens.
No doubt they can. Instead of overpaying for Lowe this year go out and get Tex and trade Delgado for a #5. Use the money difference to get a guy like Wolf instead.
Tex+ Wolf= 30 million
Delgado+Lowe =30 million.
and tex + wolf, to me, is better. better in 2009, and hugely better in 2010+
gotta think past next year Omar!
Agreed. I just don’t get it? I know it’s about the years for Tex but sometimes the years are worth it. It’s not like in 8 years Tex will be that old. And besides how much would Tex cost in 3 years? A lot more than 20 a year I bet.
just like with beltran.. at the moment of the signing it was horrible, now who’s the best CF in the game??? omar better think this trough.
More like 25 to 28 millions becoz wolf would cost aroun 8 milllions at most..
I used estimates because Lowe won’t get 18 either.
got you the real.. i just wanted to save 5 millions.. ;-)
case,
of course we can.. but just like tex is my man crush delgado is omar’s.. i guess i’d lose either way.. he will not move delgado at all..
relevant part from a post on another thread:
The wood/street/guardado/parnell/smith/loogy pen would be strong, relatively cheap, and doesn’t cost picks or real prospects (as-suming heilman/felicianl net street)
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to recap, trade for: lee, street, other parts.
give up: Delgado, Heilmann, Pedro F, whatever you do for Lee.
sign Wood, guardado, (no picks lost).
Only thing to do then is fill in the rotation. Money still available for a FA (and can lose a pick), and you might get at least a 5 hole guy in the delgado deal. So do that, and sign lowe./sheets or whatever and the team is ready.
Wait I must have missed it? Are we talking about Carlos Lee? Why would the Astros want Delgado?
carlos lee. Started this in the OF thread a few posts back.
This was a combination of deals. Get lee for ??. Trade Delgado elsewhere.
a team of closers is, to me, really the same as a pen full of power arms that can get out lefties and righties. not nibbling specialists.
there are lots of closers, it’s just that some haven’t been given the opportunity yet to pitch in the 9th!
besides, it’s harder to come into a 1 run game with 2 men on in the 7th or 8th, then to start the 9th with a 3 run lead.
find me guys that can handle the stress of inheritied runners, and give me a pen full of them, and I don’t care if they go into the season with no career saves between them!
Ok enough.. K-ROD then trade delgado (2b, lf,Sp or bullpen) get TEIXEIRA and get rid of castillo!!!!
a fine start.
If Omar adds K rod and Tex, and removes Delgado and Castillo, I almost don’t care what, if anything, else he does this offseason!
Agreed. The rest of the moves could be minor. Especially if you trade Delgado for a starter.
i’m afraid that omar think 2009 is his put up or shut up year and go all out to win now rather than build for the futurre… GET TEX & K-ROD… sign ollie and maybe for degado he might get a #5 starter.. maybe even francisco cabrera from the orioles.. also, get rid of the bad stench this team has.. WHICH IS CASTILLO!!! this team just got jinxed when this guy arrive..
To those who watch The Office;
Michael:Ryan::Omar:Chard Cordero
guys check this two rumors:
1) Oliver Perez and Randy Wolf are on the Yankees’ radar.
2)The Braves haven’t ruled out five guaranteed years for A.J. Burnett. the Braves actually have little interest in Adam Dunn. Raul Ibanez might be out of their price range. Instead, the Braves could choose to trade Kelly Johnson for an outfielder.
the met killer might be traded.. good.. and burnett will not sign with the braves..
“Low risk potentially high reward” … in other words, typical Omar, throw a bunch of cheap scrap heap junk at the wall and pray to god something sticks.
i say we trade heilmen and feliciano for street and than go and sign beimel
Sign Hoffman, K-Rod, Dunn, Garland, and trade for Street.