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		<title>By: metsfanrobert</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2008/12/05/opinion-from-tour-of-citi-field/#comment-426520</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a new generation of Mets fans under 21 so I do not cling as much to the Dodger and Giants roots as other Mets fans do.  I feel that us taking on the colors of royal blue and orange are enough to keep the Dodgers and Giants alive in the city.  I dont see the sence in rotundra built for a Dodgers player.  Understandbly I respect and love Jackie Robinson for not only his play but his triumphant battle to get into the big leagues and stay there.  However the fact of the matter is he&#039;s a Dodger.  The same way Henry Aaron is a Brave not a Brewer same town different team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a new generation of Mets fans under 21 so I do not cling as much to the Dodger and Giants roots as other Mets fans do.  I feel that us taking on the colors of royal blue and orange are enough to keep the Dodgers and Giants alive in the city.  I dont see the sence in rotundra built for a Dodgers player.  Understandbly I respect and love Jackie Robinson for not only his play but his triumphant battle to get into the big leagues and stay there.  However the fact of the matter is he&#8217;s a Dodger.  The same way Henry Aaron is a Brave not a Brewer same town different team.</p>
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		<title>By: mets4life6986</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2008/12/05/opinion-from-tour-of-citi-field/#comment-418917</link>
		<dc:creator>mets4life6986</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as a die hard mets fan i have to say im extremely disappointed about the deduction of seats at citi field and the fact that shea will not be represented in any way.  also, green seats wilpon, WTF???  the seats should be blue, even the phillies have blue seats for crap sake. 

as for the uniform situation.... as a younger fan i see that my generation likes the black uni&#039;s very much and i did as well. but i have reconsidered this opinion and now i want the mets to ditch the black.  WE NEED ORANGE AND BLUE COLORS ONLY!!!  the blue hats should be the only hats, blue socks and undershirt wit each uniform. if the wilpons add this gross grey jersey or make the blue darker i will flip the f@#k out.  AS METS METS FANS WE BLEED ORANGE AND BLUE, NOT NAVY, GREY AND BLACK....  CUT THE CRAP WILPONS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as a die hard mets fan i have to say im extremely disappointed about the deduction of seats at citi field and the fact that shea will not be represented in any way.  also, green seats wilpon, WTF???  the seats should be blue, even the phillies have blue seats for crap sake. </p>
<p>as for the uniform situation&#8230;. as a younger fan i see that my generation likes the black uni&#8217;s very much and i did as well. but i have reconsidered this opinion and now i want the mets to ditch the black.  WE NEED ORANGE AND BLUE COLORS ONLY!!!  the blue hats should be the only hats, blue socks and undershirt wit each uniform. if the wilpons add this gross grey jersey or make the blue darker i will flip the f@#k out.  AS METS METS FANS WE BLEED ORANGE AND BLUE, NOT NAVY, GREY AND BLACK&#8230;.  CUT THE CRAP WILPONS</p>
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		<title>By: new_mets_fan</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2008/12/05/opinion-from-tour-of-citi-field/#comment-416275</link>
		<dc:creator>new_mets_fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I&#039;m clogging the basepaths, but one more thought, different point of view.   Let&#039;s say the Mets were to keep blue, black, and orange, for marketing purposes, honoring the Giants, or what have you.  

If that&#039;s the reality, then my advice changes to this: drop the garish superimposition of outlined and drop shadow lettering. I can&#039;t see what anything says.

And if orange is such a problem when people are out and about, why not a hat without orange?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I&#8217;m clogging the basepaths, but one more thought, different point of view.   Let&#8217;s say the Mets were to keep blue, black, and orange, for marketing purposes, honoring the Giants, or what have you.  </p>
<p>If that&#8217;s the reality, then my advice changes to this: drop the garish superimposition of outlined and drop shadow lettering. I can&#8217;t see what anything says.</p>
<p>And if orange is such a problem when people are out and about, why not a hat without orange?</p>
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		<title>By: new_mets_fan</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2008/12/05/opinion-from-tour-of-citi-field/#comment-415747</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 20:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t agree that the Mets should look more modern.

Looking back on when the Expos, Jays and Astros started up, their unis were &#039;garish&#039; by a modern point of view, but they were very distinctive, and they had an aesthetic.  Having an aesthetic is an important thing.    They&#039;ve been trading their team aesthetics for bland, safe, established designs and colors.   All these teams, despite what normal people might say, should return to their roots, and be in their own skins (Expos excluded, since they made the mistake of severing their relationship to Montreal, which would have been better had certain things not happened.)  

The Mets need to stop trying to fit in, and need to start respecting their tradition.  When you look at the great uniforms around the league, they&#039;ve been stable, maintaining the team tradition and aesthetic.   It isn&#039;t about how you can change it up every year, or cram another color or stripe into the uniform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree that the Mets should look more modern.</p>
<p>Looking back on when the Expos, Jays and Astros started up, their unis were &#8216;garish&#8217; by a modern point of view, but they were very distinctive, and they had an aesthetic.  Having an aesthetic is an important thing.    They&#8217;ve been trading their team aesthetics for bland, safe, established designs and colors.   All these teams, despite what normal people might say, should return to their roots, and be in their own skins (Expos excluded, since they made the mistake of severing their relationship to Montreal, which would have been better had certain things not happened.)  </p>
<p>The Mets need to stop trying to fit in, and need to start respecting their tradition.  When you look at the great uniforms around the league, they&#8217;ve been stable, maintaining the team tradition and aesthetic.   It isn&#8217;t about how you can change it up every year, or cram another color or stripe into the uniform.</p>
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		<title>By: new_mets_fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>new_mets_fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 19:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just posted that that the Mets should go back to their original uni and shade of blue.

But, I must say, I would take thinks a lot more further.   I would play some games each year at the Cyclones&#039; stadium, in Brooklyn proper, wear the &#039;B&#039; on the hat, and do the right thing by that tradition.   And call themselves the Brooklyn, NY Mets.  I think that would be choice. 

I&#039;ve travelled many times as far north as Maine, and would you believe that I see Cyclone hats all over the place.  People want Brooklyn represented in the major leagues again.   On quiet weeknights, play at Coney Island with the &quot;B&quot;, and have the Cyclones enjoy playing a night or two in city field.   More than an exhibition, a real statement that Mets really do represent Brooklyn.  This will give them the cachet they&#039;ve been missing.  

Very choice idea!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just posted that that the Mets should go back to their original uni and shade of blue.</p>
<p>But, I must say, I would take thinks a lot more further.   I would play some games each year at the Cyclones&#8217; stadium, in Brooklyn proper, wear the &#8216;B&#8217; on the hat, and do the right thing by that tradition.   And call themselves the Brooklyn, NY Mets.  I think that would be choice. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve travelled many times as far north as Maine, and would you believe that I see Cyclone hats all over the place.  People want Brooklyn represented in the major leagues again.   On quiet weeknights, play at Coney Island with the &#8220;B&#8221;, and have the Cyclones enjoy playing a night or two in city field.   More than an exhibition, a real statement that Mets really do represent Brooklyn.  This will give them the cachet they&#8217;ve been missing.  </p>
<p>Very choice idea!!!</p>
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		<title>By: new_mets_fan</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2008/12/05/opinion-from-tour-of-citi-field/#comment-415741</link>
		<dc:creator>new_mets_fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 19:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Mets have had some image problems over the years, and I think it&#039;s a good idea to get it straight.  

As for the choice of blue, from the Dodgers of course, the blue the Dodgers use is a great, and normal, choice because it blends so well with anything you might wear.  The Mets used to use that blue, based on the old 1960s photos.  Somewhere along the line, they went from a royal blue to an electric-sorta royal blue, brighter, and I for one think that was one in a series of mistakes.  (The others being racing stripes, shadow lettering.)

If they could just go back to their incipient uniform, that would at least be a step in the right direction.  Better yet really would be to do that, plus ditch the pinstripes.   They were intended to represent the Yankees but - guess what - we have the Yankees in the Bronx who represent the Yankees just fine.   Sticking with a representation of the Dodgers and the Giants is, in my view, very good taste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mets have had some image problems over the years, and I think it&#8217;s a good idea to get it straight.  </p>
<p>As for the choice of blue, from the Dodgers of course, the blue the Dodgers use is a great, and normal, choice because it blends so well with anything you might wear.  The Mets used to use that blue, based on the old 1960s photos.  Somewhere along the line, they went from a royal blue to an electric-sorta royal blue, brighter, and I for one think that was one in a series of mistakes.  (The others being racing stripes, shadow lettering.)</p>
<p>If they could just go back to their incipient uniform, that would at least be a step in the right direction.  Better yet really would be to do that, plus ditch the pinstripes.   They were intended to represent the Yankees but &#8211; guess what &#8211; we have the Yankees in the Bronx who represent the Yankees just fine.   Sticking with a representation of the Dodgers and the Giants is, in my view, very good taste.</p>
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		<title>By: nevets101</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2008/12/05/opinion-from-tour-of-citi-field/#comment-403170</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 04:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks too grey and black.  I pine for color.  Orange and royal blue, specifically.  Maybe in fifteen years when they give it a make-over.  It is so dark, the orange foul polls look out of place.

I HATE the asymmetrical outfield wall, especially that dangerous cut-out in right-center.  That&#039;s just ugly.

Good riddance to the box seats.  They were painful to get around.  I love the cup holders and aisle logos.

I hope a new Home-run Apple is used, instead of the old grade-school paper-mache project they had over at Shea.  Put the old one out on display for people to touch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks too grey and black.  I pine for color.  Orange and royal blue, specifically.  Maybe in fifteen years when they give it a make-over.  It is so dark, the orange foul polls look out of place.</p>
<p>I HATE the asymmetrical outfield wall, especially that dangerous cut-out in right-center.  That&#8217;s just ugly.</p>
<p>Good riddance to the box seats.  They were painful to get around.  I love the cup holders and aisle logos.</p>
<p>I hope a new Home-run Apple is used, instead of the old grade-school paper-mache project they had over at Shea.  Put the old one out on display for people to touch.</p>
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		<title>By: Cactus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cactus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am honestly dumbfounded that people have no problem with the Mets taking 400 million dollars of taxpayer money in the midst of a budget crisis to build this stadium, and then cutting capacity by such a big amount and charging such ridiculous prices so that many people who paid into the stadium&#039;s construction can&#039;t even go to games.

The argument that the seats weren&#039;t filled at Shea totally misses the point.  First, ticket brokers got killed this year and a lot of those tickets were sold.  Second, Shea did not sell (until recently) or sold very few season tickets in the upper deck - this is no longer the case at Citifield, where the upper deck is the only place where reasonably priced tickets can be found.  Because of that, many season ticket holders from Shea have moved upstairs at Citifield.  

Since the cheapest ticket not in that upper deck in Citifeld is $75, for a family of four, you basically have the option to pay $300 just for tickets to sit in the back of the second deck, or more to sit elsewhere.  Because your odds are slim for any reasonably priced seat when you have to fight it out with the rest of NY for the 10,000 or so upper deck tickets that mostly are already going to be gone with season ticket packages.

And that&#039;s really a shame.  Because baseball in NY used to be a great thing, where kids and families could go to games and you had a great atmosphere of regular people in the ballpark.  Now it&#039;s an elitist, corporate game, and that&#039;s the atmosphere you&#039;re going to get.  Especially as the Wilpons use the stadium, instead of the product on the field, as the main draw for the next decade or more.

It&#039;s time to realize that NY baseball, especially in terms of the fan experience, has jumped the shark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am honestly dumbfounded that people have no problem with the Mets taking 400 million dollars of taxpayer money in the midst of a budget crisis to build this stadium, and then cutting capacity by such a big amount and charging such ridiculous prices so that many people who paid into the stadium&#8217;s construction can&#8217;t even go to games.</p>
<p>The argument that the seats weren&#8217;t filled at Shea totally misses the point.  First, ticket brokers got killed this year and a lot of those tickets were sold.  Second, Shea did not sell (until recently) or sold very few season tickets in the upper deck &#8211; this is no longer the case at Citifield, where the upper deck is the only place where reasonably priced tickets can be found.  Because of that, many season ticket holders from Shea have moved upstairs at Citifield.  </p>
<p>Since the cheapest ticket not in that upper deck in Citifeld is $75, for a family of four, you basically have the option to pay $300 just for tickets to sit in the back of the second deck, or more to sit elsewhere.  Because your odds are slim for any reasonably priced seat when you have to fight it out with the rest of NY for the 10,000 or so upper deck tickets that mostly are already going to be gone with season ticket packages.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s really a shame.  Because baseball in NY used to be a great thing, where kids and families could go to games and you had a great atmosphere of regular people in the ballpark.  Now it&#8217;s an elitist, corporate game, and that&#8217;s the atmosphere you&#8217;re going to get.  Especially as the Wilpons use the stadium, instead of the product on the field, as the main draw for the next decade or more.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time to realize that NY baseball, especially in terms of the fan experience, has jumped the shark.</p>
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		<title>By: jothar</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another unique feature about the new thundercloud-grey uniform is the piping surrounding the buttons and collar. The current all-white and all-black uniforms have a blue &quot;rope&quot; that goes around the collar and both sides of the buttons. The new  uniforms have an orange rope next to the blue one, making for a thick accent border in some ways reminiscent of the 80&#039;s uniforms. I will hopefully go back and take pictures to share with everyone. If I don&#039;t, or if the uniform is not there if I go, this detail will prove I;m telling the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another unique feature about the new thundercloud-grey uniform is the piping surrounding the buttons and collar. The current all-white and all-black uniforms have a blue &#8220;rope&#8221; that goes around the collar and both sides of the buttons. The new  uniforms have an orange rope next to the blue one, making for a thick accent border in some ways reminiscent of the 80&#8242;s uniforms. I will hopefully go back and take pictures to share with everyone. If I don&#8217;t, or if the uniform is not there if I go, this detail will prove I;m telling the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Bklyngal54</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 04:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All that being said, now that it&#039;s time to decide, where to sit?  The left field porch on the excelsior level or the infield boxes on the Promende Level?  Help!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All that being said, now that it&#8217;s time to decide, where to sit?  The left field porch on the excelsior level or the infield boxes on the Promende Level?  Help!!!!!!!!!</p>
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