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In a post to his blog for the New York Post, Joel Sherman explains that it was Omar 
Minaya who approached the Rockies about swapping Pedro Feliciano and Aaron Heilman for Huston Street.
The Rockies considered it, explains Sherman, but when they turned to Minaya to accept the deal, the Mets changed their mind.
“Now it looks doubtful that the two sides will construct a trade,” writes Sherman, ‘because Heilman alone is of no interest to the Rockies.’
The Denver Post recently reported that the Rockies continue to seek a left-handed set-up man.
Sherman also blogs about Greg Maddux’s retirement, Brian Cashman’s meeting with CC Sabathia, and the closer market, as it pertains to teams other than the Mets.
Speaking of relievers, the Astros are not inclined to closer Jose Valverde, reports Ken Rosenthal at FoxSports.com, but they will consider trading SS-3B Miguel Tejada.
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Thanks Omar.
Great work Omar!
What????
Wha, wha, what?
Im contimplating jumping out my window at work for the fact that we didnt give up 2 players who will be booed relentlessly all season and have been cancers to this teams success for a young proven closer who would end up being an 8th inning guy. Suicide it is
Not for nothing but I know that we Mets fans hate “homerun” Heilman and all but the truth is that Omar is playing it right b/c Heilman does have the ability to be just as good as Street, as we saw in 2006 and 2007. Its just a change of scenery thing for us and Heilman. He may end up being just as good as Street if he picthes in Colorado or elsewhere.
1) I would have done the deal. If you trade Feliciano, then you keep Schoeneweis on a one year deal, which is is fine since they are basically the same type of pitcher. I don’t get it.
2) If not, then offer Feliciano and Nick Evans for Street. Look I like Evans. He’s a nice bat, but he doesn’t profile as a star. Plus, once Fernando Martinez claims left field at some point next year, Daniel Murphy will be left with no other option but to play 1st base anyway.
I am sure there is more to the story than that and the deal is not “dead”. The Mets want them to take Show or Muniz or even a minor league prospect. The Rockies want Feliciano because he is cheap. If it ends up the Rockies GM saying that Omar blew it then we can get up in arms.
Now, would Tejada be able to play LF or 2B?
I am usually a defender of Minaya but not on this one, if this report is true. I think both of these guys have potential if there is a change of scenery…but I think they are both never going to achieve in the pressure of NY. That is a trade worth doing.
I have to wonder though…did Minaya balk at the trade because he has something else in mind or another deal in the works for one or both of these guys?
I agree with garyny1. Heilman’s value is way lower than it should be right now because of the one bad season, there’s no reason to sell low on him and end up getting the worse end of a deal just because fans are ridiculous about him. Heilman and Feliciano is too much for Street, especially if the closer we end up bringing is in right handed, we’d have to go out and overpay for another lefty who will likely be worst than Feliciano against lefties.
Another bad moves by the Mets….Come on Omar what are you waiting for?
wow, has omar been watching the mets at all the past 2 and a half years?
ugh I don’t want Heilman or Feliciano in the new stadium.
Gina, Beimal is a lefty, and yes he will probably get a schoenweis-esque over paid contract but id rather have him than feliciano simply bc I know beimal will at least not fall off a cliff by mid august.
It is a good point about Feliciano. We (I am) are biased against the both of them but especially Feliciano. What LHRP is there on the market that cost 1 million a year for 3 more years that puts up close to the same numbers as Feliciano?
Beimel is just and overpriced Feliciano. Look at the numbers other than ERA there. Think Feliciano allows to many runners? Look at Beimel.
uh.. trs.. didn’t you say we need a complete overhaul of the bullpen? doesn’t that apply to feliciano as well?
Not to mention 8 million would be tied up on LOOGY’s. That’s a lot of money for 2 specialist.
I don’t buy this report at all.
To Hits, look at Beimal’s lefty/righty splits. They’re bad either way, but much worse than Feliciano or Show against lefties. Beimel benefited from playing in a serious pitchers park which way lowered his ERA. The rest of his stats make him look worse than nearly everyone we had in our bullpen last year.
This is a random question but is this comment format like a work in progress? Or are we never going to be able to reply to specific comments again?
It’s so easy to tell the real baseball fans around here from the 12-year old what-have-you-done-for-me-lately whiners: have them take the Heilman Test. It’s kind of like a Rohrshach Test.
Yes, but not in 2 for 1’s that forces the team to spend more money to get players just as bad. Overhaul yes but complete turn over at these prices? Not so wise.
We will and should have one of Feliciano/Show on the team next year. I would rather it be Feliciano because of cost concerns.
gina, Matt said on the FP it would be temporary during the winter meetings, so that the site would be responsive with all the extra traffic. so should revert back to normal next week.
GREAT JOB OMAR!!!
How stupid is this guy?
Thanks for blowing Street for the sake of a whiny bum, and a 32 year old loogy.
After this week Gina. Matt addressed it in an earlier post.
Just vs lefties.
Beimel
avg: .273
obp: .330
slug: .311
Feliciano
avg: .210
obp .280
slug: .295
Tonym, 1st we have no idea if the report is true.
2nd, we have to think like a GM. Feliciano has a lot of value. His LH splits are still good and he would be the cheapest LOOGY on the market and under contract for mulitiple years. If he was a FA today, he might have been a type A and for sure a type B FA.
feliciano gave up 24 runs and 7 HRs vs beimels 11 runs and ZERO homeruns last year. to me it is worth the extra money to get beimel over feliciano. I understand their WHIPs were pretty close but frankly what is the job of a reliever (besides obviously getting outs which both got about the same amount), to not allow runs and keep the ball in the ballpark. beimel is better at both.
Gina, its temporary, just for the week of the winter meetings
Heilman plus Carp (or a similar prospect) should be enough for Street. I dont blame Omar for holding on to Feliciano who is most likely the best lefty for us, considering price and ability combined. I do want to get rid of Heilman though and would love Street as our set up man behind K-Rod but that just isnt worth it.
Matt, I don’t think you’re reading the column correctly. The article said that “when the rockies called back” Omar changed his mind, NOT “when the rockies called back to ACCEPT, Omar changed his mind.”
And Show has them both beat. So keep show. Get Street. And we are all happy Fans.
Simple as that.
I actually don’t even want any Loogy’s or Roogy’s on this team at all. I want a bullpen of guys who can pitch. Shocker right. A bullpen who can get out batters.
WHAT A JOKE!!!!
im sorry but when it comes to this bullpen no amount of stats can persuade me into keeping these guys around. ive accepted that we will keep schoe bc of his contract but if you ask me a bullpen of krod, street, beimal, schoe, smith, stokes is LIGHT YEARS ahead of what we had last year i dont care what the stats say.
The problem is mark guys who can pitch don’t just land out of the sky, if they did there would be no need to worry about we-working the bullpen. Everyone wants guys who can pitch that’s why there’s so few of them. I’d like guys who can ops .800+ and play + defense at every position also but somehow I don’t think it’s going to happen.
And just having Show isn’t going to be enough if everyone else in our bullpen is right handed, which might happen.
I hope he (Omar) is not playing hard to get because Heilman’s value is as high as it’s going to get, plus the guy will never be happy until he starts.
omar have somethin gup his sleeve or this guy is really inept!! as a mets fan i hope this guy and the mets organiztion know what they doing.. coz it surely don’t look like they are..
This was reported as the Rockies contacting us and we said no. Now that the shoe is on the other foot it makes it even WORSE. When does Omar the tent maker’s contract expire??
fedup i believe u mean Omar the Coffin Maker
This is what the mets should do. it would cover everything except the bull pen.
step 1) sign CC
step 2) Trade CC to the yankees for Joba, CAno, and Nady.
Step 3) If cant get step 2) try for Marte, Cano, Nady, Hughes.
Perfect strategy the yankees seem like they’ll do anything for these guys. and its like picking them up for only there contract
This* guy*
Coffin maker or deal breaker? Either one equates to empty seats at Citi Field in 09!!
Why doesn’t Omar give the Rockies the great Eddie Kunz instead of Feliciano?
Evans is the bat to move. The Rockies are looking for a RH OF who will be affordable. The kid showed gap power in Shea Stadium last yr, and a relentless attitude to play hard. He’d be a good fit for the Rocks and he’d get a more than fair shot to play every day. Package him and Heilman for Street, and tell them to find their own Lefty Specialist. I don’t wanna deal Feliciano, and we’d hafta eat a million or two on Schoenweis…so why bother.
Heilmand and Evans for Street. GET IT DONE!
Even if this report is true, which I have my doubts about, most people here, Matt included somewhat, are misrepresenting what Sherman wrote. He did not say that Omar offered this deal, the Rockies decided to accept, and then Omar rejected them. He says that Omar “floated the possibility” of this trade, but decided not to do it when the Rockies got back to him (it doesn’t say anything about what the Rockies were calling back to tell him). I know that some of us don’t like Omar, but to criticize him over a mischaracterization of a disputed report seems going a little overboard….
I would think Evans would be a player to keep because of his gap power. Who else in our minor league system who might be ready anytime soon has shown the ability to hit for real power. And since they don’t seem to want to go after any legit power bats we may need that for 2010.
Personally I don’t like the idea of parting with Carp of Evans because both of them have shown signs of being + offensive players, obviously neither are as polished as Murphy but they’re both younger. But between the two I’d rather give up Carp. Personally I’d rather them part with a pitching prospect like Kunz so our system has so so little in the way of positional players.
What a team…
there has to be more to this story. i refuse to believe that it went down that way.
i love feliciano, but who knows how much longer he’s going to be effective. if i’m omar i cash him out to get heilman out the door for a real big part of the 2009 pen.
heilman may have all the talent in the world but he appears to have zero confidence, and that’s not gonna work in this town. he should have been traded or allowed to start while he still had value.
WE NEED STREET!
good one Omar because you know… getting rid of Heilman and Feliciano for a Good pitcher would just be dumb.
I don’t get turning this down from a talent, change of scenery, payroll, PR perspective. Seems like a win win win win for me…
We need Street, but giving up Heilman and a lesser prospect would make more sense. Feliciano is key. We need him and all the relievers we can get. 2 for 1 would be a mistake unless we are getting rid of a lesser prospect with Heilman.