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The Mets are close to finalizing a three-year deal 
for free-agent closer Francisco Rodriguez, according to people close to the team.
Jon Heyman of SI.com and David Lennon of Newsday were first to describe the Mets as ‘closing in,’ while, in the New York Post, Joel Sherman says a deal is ‘on the brink.’
Rodriguez’s agent, Paul Kinzer, told reporters, “They’re going well… I am more optimistic that I’ve ever been.”
Heyman believes the deal will be worth $37 million.
“After opening with an offer of about $24 million over two years plus a vesting option for a third year,” writes Heyman, “the gap was closed when the Mets agreed to guarantee the third year.”
From what I understand, the two sides met Sunday night and Monday afternoon, and will likely meet again on Tuesday, at which point, hopefully, we will get some news.
Rodriguez does not have any additional meetings currently set with other teams.
“I don’t want to say much about it,” Rodriguez told the Los Angeles Times, “But it’s going well with them. Everything is going OK, so we’ll see what’s going to happen.”
The way it was explained to me, the Mets on Sunday made an initial suggestion of two years, with an option for a third year – and though both sides left the meeting confident, Rodriguez never truly entertained accepting such a short-term agreement.
Kinzer countered on Monday with a guaranteed three-year deal, which the two sides are likely to peg down today – I do not believe a fourth-year option is on the table.
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The best part about this is how quickly it was done. This leaves Omar with a few more days at the Winter meetings to try and make the team better without having to worry about the closer spot.
(*knock on wood*)
hey matt..nice way to wake up fellow maniac!!
lets go Mets!!!!
now get a # 2 starter….peavy maybe :)
It funny! When we all thought KRod wanted a lot of money for a lo of years, none of us wanted anything to do with him and his arm. Now once again we will celebrate Omar.
Naturally, I am keeping my fingers crossed.
still a lot of money for 1 guy. But, if it signs, we shall see next year+ if it ws a good investment!
best thing though is, being done now. Much more pressing needs to fill, so hopefully Omar will get a slew of signings and deals done if the biggie is out of the way.
the 3 guys behind him in the pen are going to be way more important for determining the outcome of 2009 anyway. Can’t save leads that were blown in the 6/7/8 inning!
And take the savings and just go get Tex please!
WOO HOO!
Nice to have this wrapped up a lot sooner than Santana last year. Now it’s time to move on to a set-up guy and a starter whose name is hopefully not Jon Garland.
Once this is done, hopefully Omar has a setup guy in mind to sign before Friday.
now lets get tex, peavy, street, and hudson!
The Meta are not getteng Tex so stop dreaming about it. He wants a 8-1 year contract and their is no point of signing him for that long.
Maybe the people in here who ate crow last year when they wanted Omar to “just throw F-Mart in the deal” and get Johan already, and now just wanted him to just give KRod a 4th year last monht because they were impatient, will learn their lesson. Just because there are daily blogs and radio and TV shows oversaturating us with info every second doesn’t mean that good business practices should be thrown out the window to satisfy this new (insatiable) market.
“Prismo says:
December 9th, 2008 at 5:25 am
(*knock on wood*)”
Knocking on Kerry Wood is going to shatter him into a million pieces.
which Omar hater, that cried about not giving Krod his 4/60 or 5/75 weeks ago, wants to step up and eat some crow first?
What great news to wake up to. Good job Omar
Great news. I just really hope there is a fourth year option.
Way to go, Omar!
Great way to wake up before a final, Omar continues to suprise me every off season, I just hope this is only the beginning
It should also be noted, since this is a 3 year deal it will be insured if something were to happen to Krod *knocking on wood*..
I don’t know how much credit to really give Omar, considering the oversupply of closers on the market to drive K-Rod’s price down, but I do like the negotiating tactics I’ve seen from him this year. K-Rod is definitely a lot more palatable to me with this kind of deal, even if it includes a fourth year team option.
Now, of course, I want to see the contract actually get signed so Omar can move on to the other needs.
“Great way to wake up before a final, Omar continues to suprise me every off season, I just hope this is only the beginning”
Yeah, he surprised me last year too… by not getting a bullpen. It was awesome getting Santana, but Omar neglected the bullpen pretty badly. I hope this year he has learned his lesson. The most important moves he’s going to make in this off-season are the smaller moves like the middle relief and utility guys.
k-rod is 26 years old. he just set the single season save record. this is good news to wake up to.
Omar shouldve added one more guy last year to the pen, but to act like he went into the year without a bullpen?
Wagner
Heilman, who was great the 2.5 years before 08
Sanchez, our lights out set up man making his big
return
Smith, we all know how good he is
Schoeneweis, crapola, but under contract for 2 more years
Feliciano, solid lefty
Not the worst group of guys on paper, and the core did form the best bullpen in baseball in 2006. It was widely believed at the time that the 07 pen performed as bad as it did because of the Mets’ serious lack of starting pitching being able to go beyond 6 innings/Willie yanking the starter when 2 men reached base.
Wake up Mr. Omar!
Lots more work to do today!
Those tickets look pretty expensive on Stubhub. You need to make our trip worth while!
Let’s Go Mets!
Just sign at the dotted line, please!
Response to Genesis Does:
He didn’t go into last year without a bullpen, but there were issues he should have addressed.
Sanchez was returning from surgery, Smith had a great first half and a lousy second half, and Schoeneweis was “crapola”. That’s a lot of question marks and crap in a bullpen. I’ll give you that the lack of depth from the starters hurt, but that’s not the only contributor.
Also, the 2006 bullpen had a lot of contributors that Omar let walk, which I was never pleased with.
The problem with last year’s pen was who are you going to replace?
Wagner–No
Heilman — After his only average season? I am sure they thought he would rebound.
Feliciano — No way at the time
Show — 2 year contract
Sanchez — Too much potential
Smith — Did very well regardless of 2nd half drop off. Which most likely was due to innings.
That leaves 1 spot to fill with a quality arm. That is the only place he messed up. Register looked good, Wise was a decent gamble, we had long relief guys.
Now if you want to say that he failed at the deadline to improve the pen…. That I agree with.
damn my wish has almost come true – now get rid of slappy ! lol – btw got my sat plan prom box – sect 436 row 2 come by and say hi
NOW GO GET STREET TO GO WITH K-ROD!
next stop: Well, the next should be noodling around tex. But that probably ain’t happening (at least now).
So, IMO, grabbing a real set up guy (like street) and signing Ben Sheets ASAP. MLBTR has the Yanks making an offer for him (2 years).
Also some good write ups about his injury history. More fluke stuff, and not arm related. So really, not like a mark Prior where there is no real odds of making it through a season. And the guy is a stud.
Trade for Street. Sign Cordero on an incentive laden deal. And Sign Sheets.
Get that done too this week, and the rest is almost filler (maybe another pen arm, troll for some (non-garland) 5th starters, and bench help.
Even better, also focus on trying to upgrade C and 2B. or just Sign Tex and be done with it!
The above was a response to TRS86, post #26.
Alright, lets sign Juan Cruz and begin to lock this ‘pen up…I can’t believe no one is really talking about this kid.
plus he’s gotta be on the cheap once this deal is finalized.
If the Yankee’s are in on Sheets then I don’t see us matching. Most likely that means that they will sign CC and Sheets. No Tex, Lowe or Burnett for them. That could be good news for us and Lowe I guess.
Also, I don’t see the Dodgers resigning Manny now. They brought in Lorretta and Blake. Unless they are trading Kemp?
Time for my Tuesday predictions.
Krod: Mets
Wood: Rangers
Fuentes: Tigers
Hoffman: Cleveland
Cruz: Brewers
Tex: Angels
CC: Yankees
Sheets: Yankees
Lowe: RSox
Burnett: Braves
Manny: I have no friggin clue.
thereal … been hearing the Red Sox are gonna be in on Tex big time. If that’s the case, sadly, I don’t see him going anywhere else but Boston.
I don’t want lowe. i want sheets!
Unless lowe gets frozen out, and they get him for 2 years max. Even then, IMO sheets is a much better pitcher.
I’ll even go out on a limb and bet that Sheets pitches as many games over the next 3 years than Lowe. And for sure, he will pitchmore really good ones!
2/30 for sheets vs. 4/60 for Lowe? no brainer to me.
And who knows about the yanks. They are probably talking to everyone, like Omar talked to closers!
Mikey, if he ends up in Boston (which I still wonder if they are not just squeezing the Yankee’s again) then that answers my Manny question. The Angels would most likely bring him in.
I can’t exhale until the ink is dry on the contract and we hear more about it but things are looking good so far. :)
True enough … as far as your predictions … I’d switch CC to Dodgers and Lowe to Yankees. Manny to Anaheim would make a lot of sense if they lose out on Tex, def.
trs, all quite possible. And oddly, in that scenerio, the Mets might just be the most logical landing spot for Manny. He won’t have a lot of options (or huge contract offers), so Omar just might troll a 2/40 take it or leave it deal out to him.
These days, who else really needs or can afford him?
2 straight years, no options, and a chip on his shoulder (and desire for 1 more contract?) Might work..
Then trade Delgado for pitching, C or 2B help. Unload Castillo. Murphy/evans for 1B?
Might as well renake the whole team if this deal goes down!
I think the money the Yankee’s lay down for CC will be too much to turn down. We are most likely talking a difference of 50 million. But if CC does not go to the Yankee’s then Lowe will you are right.
Oh, I would much, much rather have Tex than manny.
But with all the budget worry the Mets seem to have (SP bargain shopping, the closer deals), I still think Omar is hanging onto his allowance for a big splash.
I was hoping Tex. Can’t see CC. But maybe he is laying in the weeds hoping to snap up Manny on the (relative) cheap?
i don’t the yanks signing cc is all that clear. it seems like cc doesn’t want to play in ny. he told the dodgers gm that he wanted to be a dodger.
As much as I want to trade Delgado, I guess it’s not happening.
Any more rumors about the Brian Schnieder deal? What could we get in return for 1 year of Schnieder? Could it be a prospect we send for another trade?
Also, I would jump on Marquis right now. They are looking to just dump him to make room for Peavy. If they chip in and make the contract just 1 year 8 million, what’s not to like? At least that way if we are left out in the cold on real starters we have 200 innings added to the rotation.
I think k-Rod is a bit overhyped, but if that really is the deal, then it’s a no-brainer.
Casey, let me ask you this. How much money is that statement worth to CC? An extra 20 million at least? CC is just playing the Yankee’s right now. I don’t care how rich you are there is a big difference in 5/100 and 6/150.
How is Krod overhyped? He is 26 years old, very accomplished, and the best closer on the market.
therealsince86: I want Marquis, too. I think it’s a mistake to solely depend on Niese to lock down the 5th spot in the rotation.
dcmetsfan: Hyped or not, K-Rod was the best closer on the market (stats, age, durability, clutchness), hands down.
“I think k-Rod is a bit overhyped, but if that really is the deal, then it’s a no-brainer”
wow.. on the eve of getting one of the best closers and to me the most consistent of the past 6 years that’s your statement??
hey we are about to sign k-rod and you guys are talking about the yankees and cc?. who cares!!!this is our johan santana of this year. we are about to filled our biggest need.
I still think 2nd to getting Tex we really should be looking at Dunn. At this point he will cost nothing more than 2/24 with an option year. Is there a bat besides Manny and Tex out there that could impact the lineup more?
Reyes, Church, Wright, Delgado, Beltran, Dunn, Castro/?, Castillo? That’s an obvious improvement over last year already.
very nice 3 years 37 million …. very very reasonable deal from the Mets side. So much for that 15 million a year 4 or 5 year deal. TO get him out just over 12 million a year is great. More money to put into other needs now. Good job Omar.
Very nice 3 years 37 million. Very very reasonable deal from the Mets side. So much for that 15 million a year 4 or 5 year deal. To get him for just over 12 million a year is great. More money to put into other needs now. Good job Omar.
I think that if there’s anyone out there with the balls to turn down a Yankee uber-contract, it’s CC. He seems like the kind of guy that would put other factors ahead of money. That being said, everyone has a price and the Yanks have quite the checkbook.
Doboy, so we should JUST be saying yippie, yippie, we have Krod. All of our troubles are solved. Praise Omar, Praise Omar?
Look I am an Omar supporter but there is still much to do. Am I happy? If it’s true yes. Content? No.
From the very begining I had no doubt we would sign Krod. It’s the rest of the pieces that we will have to be creative on that will test Omar.
DB, if the deal is done, then you move on to the next pressing need. The Mets have more than 1, so no time to rest on laurals.
TRS, I agree with you on marquis. Get him for cheap (with Cubs eating $$), and give nothing of value back? No brainer. Likely just as good as Garland, but 1/2 the $ cost for 2009, and only a 1 year commitment.
HOF, even if they don’t get a 5th guy, IMO it doesn’t mean that they are hadning the job to Neise. I can see them going into ST with an open competition for the spot though. And Neise will be one of the options. Along with Vargas, and probably some other make-goods brought in.
My money is on Vargas right now. that would really help out the team if he came back to life!
If they manage to add 2 more solid pen arms, and Sheets (or Lowe I guess) and a real bat upgrade, then I am cool with hanging back on the 5th starter.
heck, get marquis anyway, and just let him compete with the others. not much investment.
guys, I know we have other needs, I’m just saying lets enjoy this signing for a while before talking about other players…lol
My thing about getting Marquis is right now who are we the frontrunners to get on the FA SP market? Garland? What’s the use, he is just a more expenisive Marquis at best.
Right now we have a rotation of
Johan, Pelfrey, Maine, Niese, Vargas.
Thus bringing in Marquis is a current upgrade. Even if it just pushes it to this.
Johan, Pelfrey, Maine, Marquis, Vargas/Neise. Not a top rotation but an improvement over the current one for sure.
AGain, Doboy do you really want to read 106 post praising Krod and Omar? What’s the point?
So I wake up at 6 in the morning with a broken wrist or a severely strained wrist and get THIS news. Oh, I feel so much better. I’m really happy about this signing; god knows we needed a REAL, shut down closer, and they got it done so quickly. Now getting a guy for the 8th inning, maybe Lyon or Wood and THAT would be perfect.
I can’t help but be excited, no matter how many runners he puts on at a time, he’s K-Rod bitches!!!@!
I think the Mets should get Trevor Hoffman to setup K-Rod and I just finished makinge a strong case for it.
It would be quite a reversal from last year’s closer/setup combo.
Tina … did you break your wrist before of while you were asleep? Sorry to hear that … hope it’s not your mouse hand.
It’s been bothering me for a week or so, but it was like pain that came and went. Now, it’s just irritating and i have to immobilize it and I feel like I want to scream every 10 seconds. Okay, I know I sound like a drama queen, but it’s true!
Oh, and it is my right hand, but I do have a laptop so it makes it easier.
Ah, I see. I thought maybe you had a fight dream and got hurt or something. lol Feel better.
so now that we have a nasty closer its time to finish up the bullpen.
kerry wood would be a great setup man but he’s not gonna do that. i think the mets should just trade for street and sign cordero and that really should be good enough. maybe another minor trade or signing for a darkhorse player and thats a fine pen
stokes
sanchez/darkhorse player
feliciano
smith
cordero
street
rodriguez
I dont think getting MArquis is a real possibility? Since it would include Heilman, that would break down talks for Street (As-suming its still there)
You know mine Oleo
Krod
Street
Lyon
Guardado
Smith
Show/Feliciano
Stokes/Parnell
I’ll be happy when it’s official.
No way does Heilman have to be included in a deal for Marquis. They are looking to dump him. They would most likely take Marlon Anderson at this point just to get rid of his contract.
great… now Warthen has to get K-Rod to throw his changeup slower.
With his fastball dipping into the low 90s, he can’t throw that change in the high 80s like he does.
If we bring in Hoffman for the 8th, maybe he can teach him how to throw it right … would really help K-Rod’s longevity.
This is very good news. Contract is reasonable. Shows you where the market has gone. Only a select few are going to get more than 3 years. Fuentes and Wood will likely have to settle for 2 years.
I think the change up has just as much to do with movement as it does speed. Krod’s change up has gotten to be wicked.
going off the board… My Manny ramblings (thanks, TRS!) make too much sense.
Omar signs Manny. trade delgado for either a SP or 2B/C help. move the murphy/evans platoon to 1B. Dump slappy. Trade for molina.
At least for 2009, a much more balanced L/R lineup. Old, but scary.
Reyes
murphy
wright
manny
beltran
church
molina
2B (tbd).
Could also sign Dunn instead of Manny. Still move delgado. you ge a younger, healthier guy, cover 2010, same salary (roughly), plus you get the players that Delgado brings back.
Dunn at 1B + a cheap 5th starter or new 2B/C > Delgado for the same cost to the budget.
I’m just sayin…
I don’t think we need Hoffman to teach K-Rod a proper change. We have some guy name Johan Santana who has arguably the best change up in the game.
You’ve got to wonder what else we’re going to spend that extra 38 million on now…no way will it go unspent after the last two seasons, so a #2 starter and right handed bat have just become even more possible. The more and more I look at Punto the more I like him, at least as a stop gap for two years or so until someone comes through the system (Havens?). Unlike Hudson, Punto will be dirt cheap too.
marquis for marlon? Now that I do! Cubs eat +/- 3 million, and the mets have improved. And the investment is so low, that you can always unload him in ST to some desperate team if yo don’t end up needing him. Or make him a long man out of the pen.
You don’t have to convince me Stickguy. I just have a horrible feelling that Delgado will take a step back again.
I would love to see Dunn at 1B and sign Rivera to go into LF with Murphy.
I wish people would stop with Molina. He is way too old to ditch a rather younger, smarter catcher for. Guys, we do not need a .290 hitter batting 8th. Unless we get a good arm for him, Schneider needs to stay.
Dwright, right now we only have 18-24 million left to spend. Unless we trade Delgado or some how unload Castillo that is.
If you traded Delgado and Schnieder you would add another 18 million to spend. That’s awfully close to Tex (or Manny I guess)
omar could turn this team into a serious world series contender with one more big bat like manny or tex and a great number two starter like peavy or burnett,,, too bad that problably wont happen
And as for Molina? Do you realize that we still have Castillo? There is your 8 hitter. For lineup balance and for pop in the bottom of the order taking a bat like Molina’s and sloting it in the 7 spot would be a huge addition. Besides they are both FA at the end of the year and Molina is likely to be a type A.
I hope to god Gado proves us all wrong and has another good year. When F-Mart is ready for the bigs, though, Murph could be our 1B (not long term, of course), unless Church doesn’t work out well and then Martinez can play RF while Murph stays in LF.
Rivera if he comes cheap and short term I can live with.
I would still do the Castillo for Jones swap and use Andru to share time with Murph.
Good thing about 2B is, they got so little production from the spot last year, anything (including Punto) will be an upgrade!
Delgado for SP
Castillo for Andru
Sign Dunn for 1B
Sign a stop gap for 2B (Grudz?) and see if Murphy can win the job. If not, he platoons with Andru.
Or, sign rivera to platoon, and Castillo gets 1 more shot.
If Dunn can really be had for 2 years, this gives you a much younger team, with very little LT commitment to guys you aren’t sure of (the core).
Also a lot of upside potential if Andru comes back to (close to) life.
If not, cut him. 1 year deal, and slappy is gone. win win!
Yeah, I get that you have more money and more offense, but what happens in two years (or heaven forbid one year due to injury) when Molina is done? We will be in the same situation again…and we don’t have anyone good in the system either. Catchers don’t traditionally hit, so I don’t see the urgency to move Schneider. As for Castillo, I really don’t think he will be playing next season. Even if he is a Met, Manuel doesn’t like him and I’m sure the fans will let them both have it if he sets foot on that field as a starter.
The idea of trading Slappy for Jones or Pierre just died with the Dodgers getting Blake and Lorretta.
Even if Jerry hates him, Omar loves him, so if hes a Met, Expect to see him in the everyday lineup.
not a fan of Adam Dunn. In my eyes replacing Delgado with him only makes the team worse. I’d rather keep Delgado and sign a SP then trade him and sign Dunn
so many options. And in a weird market like this, IMO you grab the best talent (and the good deals) that fall into your lap.
Then, you figure out where they play! Kind of like the NFL draft where you take the ‘best available” talent.
You can always trade someone if you end up with a log jam. Or shift positons.
So sign Dunn cheap. Figure out what to do with Delgado later if you can. Or shuffle LF.
Just grab good players that can help the team over the next few years.
Dwright, Schnieder and Molina both only have 1 year left on their contracts so neither are longterm solutions. Not to mention there is not that much difference in salary.
I think the chances of us getting into the Tex bidding are slim to none…
He is going to land up with close to $150 million dollar deal? Especially with us on the hook for Delgado, an injured Wagner and an overpriced Castillo, not to mention the most expensive Pitcher contract in history, I don’t see it happening
TRS, I didn’t pay much attention to the Dodger details. That was more of a “concept” idea anyway. So go with Rivera if you need a RH bat.
DW, why not Molina? Schneider and Castro are both FAs after 2009 anyway, so the Mets don’t have a catcher lined up for 2010. And i really don’t see Schneids getting extended. Or just resign himas a FA.
molina’s bat for 1 year would really help balance the bottom of the lineup.
And manny’s coming. I can snese it now…
i wonder if Detroit would trade Placido Polanco, he’d be a great 2B for this team
Yeah I guess you’re right. I’m still just not a big fan of that deal. I don’t see the need, honestly. I’ve said it before, but what Schneider does for this team isn’t clearly visible to fans because he is another pitching coach. Not to mention he and Church are best buds so moving one may anger the other. If we can get a good arm for him, then do it…otherwise no.
atlanta, Castillo isn’t really overpriced. just over yeared!
Gotta look long term here. If tex is waiting to be plucked, pluck him. Wagner is a sunk cost. Delgado is done after 2009 anyway (no obligation). Castillo has to be dealt with somehow.
And Delgado can be traded.
Might have to get creative with the 2009 budget, but he really sets the team up for 2010+
Stick,
I’m not saying I don’t want it to happen, I just don’t think the chances are very high..maybe 1%
But, to get back on topic here, I’d love to see a Street/K-Rod 8th and 9th. With the guys we already have (Smith, Stokes, Scho, Sanchez…screw the others) that makes our chances of taking a lead into the 7th a guaranteed win. Not to mention Parnell may work his way into the mix and Cordero could be signed also.
Goooooood…….nice on K Rod
I would be cool with Garland and Marquis for not much
Santana
Pelfrey
Maine
Garland
Marquis
Niese(call up)
If Omar closes this deal, gets a setup man, and moves Luis then anybody on here that says he needs to go will have to stfu. Add that on top of us swooping in to get Johan last season and I’d say it will be an incredible two years for him. I have confidence he can get the first two done…praying for the third.
So how much do we like Kinzer compared to Bean Stringfellow?
Any chance they get Fuentes too?……..I mean the guy has been used as a setup man and that would pretty much set the bullpen up perfect……..
keep delgado, sign manny, trade for street, sign hudson, kidnap castillo
Lets go Mets
I really like the idea of Cordero if healthy and Street:
K-Rod
Street
Cordero
Smith
Feliciano
Schowenweis
Stokes/Parnell/Sanchez
If we could get rid of Schowenweis and get another lefty in there that would be ideal, but this pen is a complete 180
Chances are that Fuentes will be in STL next season. After we get KRod, I doubt Omar will outbid them because they blew more saves than we did last year. I like the though of it though.
stickguy
teixiera is a perfect fit for so many reasons but Omar sees no need to sign a 1B when he already has a 40 HR hitter there.
remember we also have Carp, Evans and Murphy who might be out 1B in the future especailly when the 2010 FA list includes Holliday, and Vlad
Vlad and Omar have a connection too….But I def. don’t see that happening
You guys have got to stop it with the Wood and Fuentes for setup men. The only closers that MIGHT setup are Guardado, Lyon and MAYBE Hoffman.
although a dream situation would be to sign Teixiera then trade Delgado to the Yankees for Nady and dump castillo.
Reyes
Beltran
Wright
Teixeira
Nady/Murphy
Church
Murphy/Eckstein
Scheider
that would be a nasty lineup although not very realistic
And please no Hudson. He is going to be a more expenisive version of the 2B nightmare that we have had for 15 years.
“I saw on MLBTradeRumors that a requirement of Garland signing with the Mets is that he has to change his name from John Garland to Juan Garlando…”
Ohh, those pesky little fellas over at beerleaguer…
Oleo, and I thought I was unrealistic. The Yankee’s trading Nady for Delgado? Why?
If we go in with starting rotation of Santana, Pelfrey, Maine, Garland, Neise, that’s around 31M (15M; 750K; figure 3M for arb eligible maine from 460K last year; figure 12 M for Garland; 400K)
Bullpen of k-rod, street, sanchez, scho, stokes, Feliciano, smith, that’s around 24M (figure 13M for K-Rod, 4M for arb eligible street from 3.3M last year, 800K, 3.6M, 600K, 1.5M for arb eligible Feliciano from 1.2M, 600K)
Catchers castro and Schneider, locked in at 7.4M (2.5M and 4.9M)
Infield of Delgado, Castillo, Reyes, Wright, A. Reyes, that’s around 32M (12M, 6M, 5.75M, 7.5M, 450K)
Outfield of Church, Beltran, Murphy, Tatis, Endy, Pagan, that’s around 22M (say 3M for arb eligible Church from 2M last year, 13M for Beltran (not counting another 5.5M deferred), 450K, 1.7M, 2.05M, 2M)
Injured player get paid too … Wagner at 10.5M
That totals up to only about 127M for full current roster, AFTER theoretically signing Garland, K-rod, and trading for Street … I think Mets should have another 20M-25M to spend upgrading the team beyond this … hoping for some additional big moves, will be very, very disappointed if we stop at getting K-Rod, Street, and a guy like Garland.
oleo, I figure that is waht Omar is thinking. Just don’t think it is right.
well, maybe with all the guys in the minors, riding Delgado and sorting it out next year is fine. Maybe one of the rookies comes on hard and takes the job.
Where I disagree with the logic is as-suming the Delgado is a 40 HR guy for 2009. I figure you are just as likely to see the 1st half 2008 or 2007 version, or he gets hurt (like a 36 YO guy often does!).
If they make the other improtant moves and Delgado plays 150 productive games, I will eat my words. And the Mets likely have a real good year!
yes i know its unrealistic but since both players have 1 year left on their deal Delgado would help the yanks more than Nady.
Delgado would be perfect there really. short porch in right, DH once or twice a week, and they dont have a 1B if we get teixeira
Just some random fuel for thought…but where the heck is Wilmer Flores going to play? Yes, it is years away from now, but can they stick a first baseman’s mit on his hand and teach him to pick balls out of the dirt? If so, exit Gado, enter Murphy. When Flores is ready, Murphy to LF, Flores to 1B. F-Mart to RF, bye-bye Church.
I know it’s down the road, but I’m tired of this Wood/Fuentes/Hoffman talk as our setup.
“Jon Heyman of SI.com and David Lennon of Newsday were first to describe the Mets as closing in”
as i wrote yesterday: “k-rod is a met. tango regardless of this tango.”
the question is omar’s next moves with the 2 holes in the rotation, a need for at least one for good reliever, and and offensive player who is either gritty or had pop (dunn).
zen-
Street, Garland, Lowe, Punto…
I’m calling it.
stickyguy
no delgado is not going to hit 40 HR again (at least not here) but .265 32 HR and 110 RBI is fairly reasonable so replacing that with a guy like Dunn who has a reputation of not being able to hit good pitching makes no sense.
Delgado will be here for the next 1-2 years so signing Dunn for 2 years doesnt really do anything for us
I agree that Wood or Fuentes will not setup for KRod. They will be closers with some other team.
As for setup man, I think Street would be the best option out there, but I would not mind Hoffman, Lyon or Guardado.
Nady can play 1B as can Swisher. Delgado is not a pressing need for the Yankees.
And Elvis, those numbers don’t add up. Coming in the Mets had 42-48 million counting what they would pay to Delgado and an increase of 10% in salary. I don’t know if you missed the increases to other players or what count is off.
At this point after signing Delgado and Krod for 12 million each that leaves us 18-24 million.
This is just amazing, and an absolutely fantastic start to the offseason. I have to say I hope all the Omar-bashers do realize that he did a tremendous job, and if we sign KRod for what is being reported, it is significantly less of a long-term and overall dollar commitment than was being thrown around a couple of months ago.
He will be just 27 next year, has an incredible record of health and achievement, and is a PERFECT heir to Jesse Orosco and his antics on the mound at the end of the 1986 postseason.
Way to go Omar and way to go Matt with this INCREDIBLE job of keeping up updated!
trs86
i dont understand the whole 18-24 million they have to spend. who said they have a fixed budget?
Whats with all the priase for Omar? What did he do so special? It was a great closer market for him, a win win situation. Imagine KROD the only Free agent closer on the market. He really did not have to do much since KROD and his agent knew there were many options to choose from if they did sign with the Mets.
Where is the reputation of not being able to hit good pitching coming from? Look at his stats. He hits good pitchers at the same rate he hits everyone else.
And I would love for Delgado to put up those numbers but he is just as capable of laying a
.255 25 90 for 12 million.
This is a good start. I don’t think the Mets are sold on Niese as the 5th starter. So you can’t be thinking Garland and that’s it. The way it’s looking also is Garland might only get 3 years 30-35 million.
And this 30 million number we were told was what came off the books. So it’s not adding any salary from last season. They are still way below the luxury cap number with the 30 million so they can easily go over that number.
I can still see 2 SP’s coming to the Mets, along with a 2nd baseman or LFer. Probably 2nd as they want to get F-Mart up at least mid-way if he produces.
On the Wilmer Flores issue. He’s still at least 2 or 3 years away. That means church will probably be gone and this is all if F-Mart meets expectations. The Outfield will be open for him. He’s 17 and far far away. Minimum 2 years, probably 3 or 4. No need to start even thinking about that.
Like I said back in September…K-Rod (and hopefully Street as well) is the perfect hangover remedy. Last year it was Santana, but questions about the BP still came up. Now we have a question about our rotation, but having 1 ace and 2 solid pitchers can win you a WS if you score runs and have a BP. See 2008 Phillies.
Here we go again with Dunn… It’s not happening..
I think the next signing should focus on SP. Mets can be very creative with SPs this year. I think they should sign a reliable #2-3 type of pitcher like Lowe and a risky #4-5 type pitcher like Prior.
Woopee.
All this means is we s*ck slightly less now
Schneider
Castillo
Heilman
Schoenweiss are still here.
Talk to me when ALL of them are gone, in addition to 2 more starters imported
Then we’ll see what praise (if any) Omar deserves
Olseo they don’t have a set budget but they won’t go over the luxury tax either. Thus they had at most about 50 million to spend this offseason and stay under that. They have already spent about 26 million of that. So AT MOST they have 26 million left. Again, that would be leaving no flexiblity.
you can’t fully praise omar yet until he gets at least four more guys to fill out our needs, but i feel it coming… my guess is krod wears number 75.
Dear 718-
Shut up.
Sincerely,
Excited Mets fans.
nevermind, 718…seems you are not the only one.
Furioso, your mom is calling….go take out the trash you sad numbskull.
Oleo, the Mets definitely have a fixed budget. The bad economy is one factor and unlike the Yanks, not much salary is coming off the books either.
From what I’ve heard, the budger was something like 25MM, but obviously that may be too little.
unclutch, i think your name says it all. Go ahead and focus on the negatives if you like, but have some faith man. geez…
Dwright,
I am very excited dont get me wrong, just dont praise the guy for not really doing much!!
If K-Rod was the only Closer on the Market he would have gotten the same contract. The only Big Market team was the Mets. Nobody else wanted to spend 10 million on a closer.
Before you say Adam Dunn can’t hit good pitching go look at his stat’s against pitchers. He Kills good pitching as much as bad. Doesn’t matter who is pitching. He was 1-1 with a HR and 2bb against Johan the one game he played him… I believe Johan is a good pitcher.
If you don’t want dunnn you don’t want him. But he’s as good if not way better then the sulker, locker room cancer, dogged it for a year under willie, Del-Sucks-A-Lot!
I know how soon we forget how bad he was. 2 months made most people like him again.
And dwrightgodsend, you are SO right….only a really negative, unreasonable person could criticize the Met organization at this moment.
Signing the best available closer, and one of the best in the game, for just a 3-year commitment and a VERY reasonable overall number.
Omar gave us Johan for a bunch of nothing and now KRod for a very reasonable deal which leaves lots of dough for other signings. A great job.
718-
It was a joke, lol. No, I am not s*cking the guy’s dick, I’m just saying that he deserves a bit of credit. It gets old seeing countless posts on here criticizing a man who is responsible for all of this excitement in the first place. As if any of us could do any better…
can’t believe dick is allowed here and as-sume is not
Ok Ok Ok , Omar gave us Johan? Pleae!!!!!! Johan fell into his lap. DOnt sit here and tell me that he played his cards right or any of that BS!!. He got very very very lucky with Johan. If the yankees woulda let go of Kennedy they would have him now. Omar got Johan not cause of his well doings, cause he got lucky.
trs86
stats dont tell the whole story, just look at a-rod.
the knock on Dunn is that he doesnt hit well against the better pitchers in the league. are there stats to prove it no but there arent any stats to prove that Castillo is that. i mean his stats are fine but he’s a sourpuss who doesnt hustle.
its something you notice when you watch the games
yeah I couldn’t believe it either when i saw it post…haha oops
Dwright, i totally understand what your saying, but he is also kinda resposible for alot more negative things about this team the past few years. Lets get excited when he does more than one obvious move. Lets get excited when he sign a SP, and a LF.
STOP WITH DUNN TALKING!! NOT HAPPENING!
I’m excited for this move but I also realize the Mets have alot more work to do.
Well, kudos to the Mets for getting the job done. It had to get done. And there was no way K-Rod was going to accept 2 years. Not when schmucks like Schoeneweis get 3 years.
It’s nice that they got their man and the Yankees will probably be shut out of any big name. No CC. No Lowe. No Burnett. Happy Holidays, Yankee fans, lol.
NYMETSFAN718–Omar got Johan and gave up ZERO of our best players or prospects—Gomez cannot hit or get on base and will probably be a part-timer soon, Humber may never be a major leaguer, Guerra got SHELLED in A ball last year, and Mulvey projects to be a 4th starter at best if that…..of course our payroll helped get Johan, but the point is Omar got him for NOTHING. The Yanks and Sox did not get him for nothing, WE did.
and im confident he will sign a sp and a lf
I think K-Rod was the hands down best option. He will be a great fit with us because everyone in the NL already hates us and now between Reyes’ dancing and K-Rods screaming after a win; they are going to hate us even more, which I actually like.
Sign Sammy Sosa !
And if the Mets just do two more things I’ll be happy 1) Free Heilman and trade him and 2) get just 1 semi-reliable setup man.
Sure I’d like them to be able to jettison Castillo, but I think Mets fans can live with him. It’s the bullpen that was the glaring need.
That is a great arguement. The stats don’t show that Dunn can’t hit good pitchers but he can’t? You can just watch a game and no he can’t? Well then, would that not show up in his stats? Or does it just happen when you watch? LOL.
He might sign a LF, but I also feel he has a lot of confidence in the kid Murphy. Evans is an ok backup in LF for Murph as well, so while it would be nice to sign another bat out there I don’t know if it’s in his top 3 right now. But then again, I’m not exactly a fly on the wall right now so who knows, right?
Next I will like to see Omar go hard after Lowe. I think he would be a great fit. Lowe is the fiesty kind of guy we need in the clubhoue along with a solid 2/3 starter.
I am a huge Manny Rameriez fan so I am impartial but I would absoulutely love to see Manny in a Mets uniform.
I love the fan shortsighted fan response. Every bad thing that happens happens because of Omar and every good thing that happens is in spite of Omar. LOL. Don’t you think it MIGHT be right in the middle?
the real … you might be right that my numbers in post 112 are not exactly accurate, but i can’t figure out where. i just think that Mets should spend 150M on payroll, and that there is some more Mets money left over.
Lowe is a must, IMHO. He is a #2 pitcher, so we can keep from putting either Maine or Pelfrey out of position again. Maine is a #3 and Pelfrey will win many games as a #4. Make an offer to someone like Garland, too, but don’t go all in since we still have Niese who may turn out to be a decent #5 next season with all the pressure off.
trs86
show me a stat that says a-rod is a bad clutch hitter.
but anyone here in NY knows that a-rod can’t hit with the game on the line.
what im saying is that Dunn might be able to clobber a hanging breaking ball or a fastball in the middle of the plate but he has no chance of hitting a sharp slider or a nasty breaking ball b/c he’s not a good hitter and all he does is swing for the fences…
thereal-
I think it is a combination of Omar taking advantage of opportunies, learning from his past mistakes, and sometimes getting lucky when a deal pays off. That’s what being a GM is all about. You can’t possibly do everything right when you’ve got 31 other GMs trying to do the same thing, so you make adjustments as you go along. That being said, I think Omar at least deserves some credit for the good things he has done. Despite two horrible endings in a row, he always comes out of Spring Training giving the Mets fans something to look forward to. I think the pieces are finally starting to fall into place as we’ve seen guys he was stuck with like Pedro and Alou head out of NY. Applaud him when he deserves it, that’s all I’m saying.
Good potential signing. Kudos to Omar. I actually preferred Wood, but Krod is a very suitable closer for us. Three more pieces for the bullpen:
Sign:
Juan Cruz
Joe Beimel
Trade:
Street (Feliciano and Heilman)
Krod
Street
Cruz
Beimel
Sanchez
Smith
Scho
Dunn argument will never end until he signs with someone. I hope that will be pretty soon.
As for a SP, I think Lowe will be a long shot to sign. I would like to see him in the Mets uniform next year, but I don’t think Omar is willing to meet his salary demand. I really don’t have any idea which SP the Mets would sign. My gut feeling tells me that they will sign one SP like Garland and that’s it.
if the mets give a multi-year deal to any pitcher other than Sheets or Lowe i’d be pretty upset.
no reason to sign a guy like Garland or Wolf when we dont need them after this season
OLES,
That A-Rod can’t hit in the clutch thing is so over blown. Just like all his homers are hit when the game is out of reach. It’s stupid yankee fans picking on him because they haven’t won.
They also say Jeter has made a million clutch hits over the years, when all the World series runs and every big post-season hit i remember being some random dude like arron bleeping boone. Not Jeter.
Arod hit something like .400 with RISP and 2 outs in 2006. The Clutch stats are just a joke. It’s like Ortiz is lights out. No he has had some success when it mattered and everyone saw it.
Dunn is fine against good pitching. You just don’t like him so you don’t want him. I’d MUCH rather him then Delgado. Simple as that.
I don’t like delgado. Haven’t liked him when he spurned the mets in 2005. Didn’t care for him when they traded to get him in 2006. Hated him in 2007 and 2008. I want him gone. And I want Tex to replace him, but i’m also realistic and know that probably won’t happen. So the only other guy out there is Dunn. Hence i want Delgado with a 40 point better OBP.
As for rest of the bullpen, I think that Omar will trade for an 8th inning guy and sign one more FA. I don’t think it’ll be Cruz or Biemel just because their asking price. it’ll be more like Hoffman or Guardado for 1-2 year contract
Can someone please explain to me why the all-time saves leader would take a backseat to someone else? I’m not being a smarty, either, I’m just curious as to the logic behind it because I don’t get it.
enough with cruz and beimel. you dont sign middle relievers to multi year deals b/c chances are in 2 years you’ll be wanting to get rid of them.
Because he’s 38, he’s lost his stuff and most people don’t see him as a closer anymore.
Simple as that. He was never a dominate player sort to speak like Mariano was. He was just effective. His effectiveness has disappeared, so he might get to close on a horrible team, or be a set-up guy on winning team. That’s what his options have become.
The only reason I think Hoffman MIGHT be interested is he wants to win a championship.
Oleo, I agree with you that signing Garland or Wolf would be a waste. But the reality is that the Mets are not going to shell out another 15+MM contract for a SP. I would love to see them sign Lowe or Sheets for a short term like 3/45 ish.. but the truth is it’s highly unlikely.
I would love to see them sign Prior or Mulder to a 1-2 year deal worth 5-6 MM. I think they will be high risk/reward pitchers.
Also there are guys like Pettite or Livan Hernandez who would be a great #4-5 pitcher.
Wolf I am intrigued by if his contract is only 2 years with an option. 2/20 to get LH innings is fine.
But what if Niese comes along? Then you trade a very reasonable contract of Wolf.
I am just affraid that if we don’t get a Garland or Wolf then we won’t get anyone at all. Then our rotation would be
Johan, Pelfrey, Maine, Garbage, Garbage.
The best part about this move is that it is wrapped up now and leaves Omar plenty of time to direct his one track mind on the next problem, and the next, and then the next, etc, etc..
I would like to think he already has a trade for Street line up and ready to go, but it was likely K-Rod 24/7 for the past month.
I wouldn’t mind having Hoffman, but I’d rather have Street simply because of his age. Plus, it gives something for Warthen to work on.
thereal-
I think you’re right, and the most likely scenario is that we sign Garland and go with Niese. I’d love to have Lowe, but i didn’t realize his asking price was so high. However, so was K-Rods.
Hoffman will not a get closer job next year. There are Wood, Fuentes, Cordero, Issy, Lyon and Guardado as FAs who all had closer experience. There are only handful of teams that are looking for closers and many other teams that are looking to get rid of their closers. So a 38 year old pitcher who is known as a choker and throws mid-80s will not be on much demand
Oleosmirf,
You sign quality relievers to multi-year deals, e.g. Beimel and Cruz.. Personally I’m a believer in building your bullpen from Prospects, but when you can sign established, durable, quality relievers to 2-3 year deals, you do it. Not bums like Scho.
Case and Point.
Middle Reliever:
Damaso Marte – 3 YRs, with a 4th YR option.
The Yankees will be happy with that guy.
If only the Mets could draft/sign and develop starting pitchers, the back of the rotation wouldnt be filled with garbage year after year.
I’m looking for a big year in the development of Brad Holt, that would be the best thing for the organization in 2009.
btw, you guys discussing the 2007-2006 bullpen three hours ago forgot all about Jorge Sosa and how much everyone loved him
Personally i’d like Hoffman and Street. Then get rid of the Loogy’s and heilman. Schneider, Castillo and Delgado.
I’m one happy Mets fan then. Heilman and Feliciano for street. Show and castillo for a hotdog. Delgado for a #4 SP.
Sign Garland, Tex or Dunn to replace Del-Sucks-A-Lot. Murphy in LF or 2nd. One of those would have to be filled.
wadehead,
Demaso Marte?? He has not worked out all that well with the Yanks. Signing mid-reliever to a long term contract is a bad idea. Relievers come and go. You saw that with Heilman, Sanchez, Feliciano, and Schoe. All relievers will have couple good years under their belt and couple bad years too. They are the least consistent of all positions. Signing guys like Cruz or Beimel to a big contract would be a bad idea.
the real (168)
well unfortunately for Hoffman the Red Sox and Phillies dont need set up men…
kistics:
if you sign them to a one year deal you might get one bad year…
sign them to a three year deal and you still might get one bad year.
signing them to longer deals is logical when the player is deserving and has a track record of success for a few years.
Name me one mid-reliever that has gotten a long term deal (3+ years)?? There’s a reason why they are not being signed to a long term deal. I would love to see Cruz or Beimel as a Met next year. But the truth is, unless they sign for 1-2 year deal for relatively cheap salary, they’re not coming to the Mets.
The scenario could work in favor of the Mets if these guys don’t get signed for awhile and will be desperate towards the end. But I don’t see the Mets signing them for a long term deal
If you never sign middle relievers to multi year deals (2-3 YR deals), you’ll end up scraping the bottom of the barrel for whatever crap you can find just to fill out a 25man roster. Like I mentioned, I would prefer we build our bullpen from prospects with Minor league contracts/options, but you need to sign solid arms as well. How is Heath Bell doing now? Chad Bradford?
IMO Beimel and Cruz have electric stuff, and have proven very valuable in their roles. I still think Heilman can be a good pitcher, just not in Queens.
Lastly, we are the New York Mets for God’s sake. We don’t need to operate like the Marlins. (Granted their front office does a pretty darn good job.)
You gotta realize that this is a business too. I’m sure they run all sorts of simulations and calculations to make sure these signings are worth their money. The New York Mets have a lot of money, but that doesn’t mean that they should go out and sign Jason Giambi to 20 year deal like the Yankees. I would like to think that Omar is much smarter than the Yanks front office. If you think the Mets have so much money, why not sign CC and Tex too? and sign Lowe and Burnett too while at it. You just can’t go out there and sign everyone just because you have money.
Don’t get me wrong. I would love to see Cruz or Beimel seting up for KRod, but not at the price that they are asking now.
FreeAaronHeilman III,
Are you kidding? All we’d be doing is bringing back 95% of the same gutless team from last year. We had a top 4 closer at the beginning of the year in ‘07 and ‘08, and in ‘09 we’re also going in with a top 4 closer now in K-Rod- so no change there. The offense needs to be upgraded, and 2 starting pitchers need to be obtained, along with overhauling the ENTIRE bullpen. Signing a closer and making a few tweaks here and there is not nearly enough.
If this is true and they get K-Rod, they need to see if they can get Hoffman as a set-up guy. I think he is through being a day in and day out closer but he would be great as a set-up guy and insurance if K-Rod has issues. Of course that is if he is ok in his mind being a set-up guy. I would also bring Heilman into ST as a starter. At the very least, it could only bring his trade value up and may be a last stab at keeping him on the team. Change of job position may work as well as a change of scenery.
If many people here are worried about garbage at the end of the rotation, why is everyone wanting Garland. The guy has an ERA in the stratosphere and was lucky his team hit for him. Keep him away please. I’d rather start with Niese and Parnell and have them take their lumps early in the season and learn from it. Actually, Ollie, for all hs faults will be missed in big games, especially against Philly and Atlanta. If he is my number 5, I certainly have no complaints with that.
its official i just saw it on espn. the mets agreed to a deal with k rod