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According to Tim Brown, at Yahoo!, “The Texas Rangers are quietly shopping shortstop Michael Young, said an AL executive.”
…the buzz from Vegas suggests the Mets and Yankees, among others, have already checked in on young…however, both teams would need to first move their current second baseman…
According to Jon Heyman at SI.com, “The Rangers are not shopping Young, but they are willing to listen to overtures on just about anyone.”
Heyman reports the Mets, Angels, Dodgers and Royals among teams who have expressed interest in Young, who will earn $80 million over the next five seasons.
Brown reports the Rangers are seeking young pitching in any deal for Young, who is batting .300 with a .346 OBP in eight seasons.
In case you’re thinking it…
According to Ken Rosenthal, at FoxSports.com, “When the Mets asked the Rangers about Luis Castillo for Vicente Padilla they were told, ‘No thank you.’
Castillo is the gift that keeps on giving. He ruins one thing right after another.
GET HIM!!! he’s only 32 and is a great hitter.. more importantly he only makes 6 millions a year.. omar.. the same amount castillo makes..
Posted this on the previous thread.
Castillo, and 2 of Niese, Fmart, Murphy, Evans, Kunz for Young and Padilla. That gives Texas a TON of salary relief. Around 100 million to be exact.
I would trade FMart for Michael Young in a heartbeat, I’d probably trade Niese along with him.
plain and simple: CASTILLO JINXED THE METS!!
He makes MUCH more than 6 million a year. He will start a new contract 5/80. That’s why we would have to unload Castillo in the trade.
daniel murphy goes nowhere
Much easier said than done, alex. As Matt wrote, the Rangers want no part of Castillo, along with the rest of the league it seems. Young is very good, but he will not play in NY in 2009.
TRS:
“Posted this on the previous thread.
Castillo, and 2 of Niese, Fmart, Murphy, Evans, Kunz for Young and Padilla. That gives Texas a TON of salary relief. Around 100 million to be exact”
take f-mart out and we’ll talk..
LOL about Castillo. I would say our terrible pen “Jinxed” the Mets.
LMAO @ atlantasnumber1metsfan
I would give them ALOT for Young to play 2B
Fmart
Parnell
Evans
Castillo
Doubt it will happen but Young is worth it
why don’t the mets release castillo!!!! didn’t the tigers did the same with easly when noone wanted him!!!!
THis site is hilarious. Our prospects are SO over hyped. We have a chance to get one of the best players in the game that fills a need and get rid of Castillo and some of you are saying “No Fmart” “No Murphy” LOL
ok guys relax, he’s not the second coming of a 25 ALEX ROD.. he’s good and a hard worker, but calm down..
Are some of you out of your g-damn minds? F-Mart and MORE for Young??? The guy is 32, severely declining, and has a monstrous contract that begins next year.
No thank you
What year is this? I cannot believe people are going this nuts over Michael Young? He plays in a bandbox park, hits for no power, has declined over the last three years, and is a horrible SS. His GG is even more pathetic than when Jeter won a couple of them. Maybe he’d be better as a 2B but wow, 16 million a year? For 5 years? That would be one of the worst moves Omar made as a GM… and that’s without considering the horrid proposals (for the Mets) that have been thrown out in this thread.
trs:
i hear what u saying but the only guy i wouldn’t wanna get rid of is f-mart that’s all..
He’s one of the few guys I’d consider packaging FMart for (but it’ll take more than FMart to get the deal done — probably Niese, maybe Heilmann too? or another young pitcher). Though Young hasn’t played 2B since ‘03…
A three way between the Rangers, Yankees, and Mets. Rangers get Castillo and whoever from the Mets and Yankees, the Yankees get Young and the Mets get Cano. I think this could work. I would love to have Cano on the Mets.
Young has two, maybe three years left of batting .280 and driving in 80. With F-Mart and Murphy we are going to get at least 5 or 6 years of good production. No thanks.
Wow, I had no idea that Michael Young was this overrated! You learn something new every day I guess.
LGM, once again…the Rangers do not want Castillo
Young is not overrated, he’s just declining and his prime is behind him. It’s not worth raping the system (no matter how good it is) for him.
But he’s the kind of hitter we need…We don’t need another power hitter, we need someone who hits..a lot. and that is young. He has had over 80 RBIs the last 5 years, 2008 being the only one of those years less than 90. He had 5 straight 200+ hit seasons until 2008 in which he hit 184. I don’t see a big decline. Consistently over 30 2Bs a year and has a career .300 average. That is the kind of hitter we need. Plus he has played in over 400 games at 2B.
The contract makes it even more viable that Texas would trade him away.
““When the Mets asked the Rangers about Luis Castillo for Vicente Padilla they were told, ‘No thank you.”" lmao
i think the australian team wouldn’t want castillo let alone a MLB club!!!
i’m surprised that you, thereal, would want to trade our best prospects for this guy, he’s declining to fast its not even funny, he’s be a bigger albatros of a contract than Castillo is right now in a year or 2. THIS IS LAUGHABLE.
I never considered him overrated until I read the packages people were throwing out there for him. Reyes+ for him probably gets it done.
letsgomets123
you have a better chance of making a trade with God to get Jesus to play 2nd for us, along with Judas and Peter going to the Yanks and Rangers, respectively
dwright5_godsend
I understand that, but it’s not just Castillo. It’s hims with others from the Mets And Yankees. It’s a thought. Cano would be a nice addition to the Mets. I still don;t know why the Yankees soured on him
Some fun facts:
In 2008
His OPS was .741
His OBP was 339
His OPS on the road was .680!!!
I mean seriously… this guy isn’t that good
how can omar ask anybody if they want castillo? how must he feel knowing he’s the only dumb**s willing to take on him for 4 years!!!???
If they want pitching…then I say keep Fmart…and trade Niese, Parnell, Evans, and another young hitter.
I doubt Castillo would be the hold up also…I think if we could get young, we’d just deal with Castillo whenever possible.
But starz he is not worth trading away all of that talent for. If we are going to get rid of Fmart, Murphy, and then some AND pay his contract, we might as well just go after Manny and call it a day. $80,000,000 contract until 2013….I don’t want that from a guy who is declining.
(29) LMAO!!! wow… wow..
Michael Young is the second best 2nd basemen in the majors…I see nothing wrong with giving up some unproven kids for a proven hitter.
I would much rather have Roberts that being said. I think Young would be cheaper than Roberts.
The condition on the Young deal would be getting rid of Castillo and getting a #5 like Padilla in the trade. Maybe Fmart + is too much for him but I don’t want to hear how Murphy or Evans or Kunz is too much.
Now if we could dump Castillo and trade for Roberts I would run all the way to Baltimore to make it happen.
LGM-It doesn’t matter what you package with him because they still have to pay the three years left on his contract.
excuse me…would be the 2nd best
michael young is a very good baseball player. this idea that he’s over-rated is from people who only focus on numbers. not that having 200+ hits for 5 season and hitting well over .300 is bad.
he’s a leader and gritty. and if you watch him play he makes a difference
the problem is two-fold: he’s not worth $16m a year as a 2b especially since he’ll be 36 and 37at the end of the deal. second is castillo isn’t going anywhere and he’s making $6 a year
letsgomets123 – I hear that Judas is not the best clubhouse guy…don’t know what anyone else has read though.
Atlantsmetsfan: You have absolutely no clue what your talking about. Absolutely none.
Young is 32, hits for virtually no power, doesn’t get on base, and his numbers on the road are horrible.
He wouldn’t even be in the Top 10 2B, if he actually played there.
Please people, get a frikkin clue.
mea culpe. That’s what you get for reacting to the name without looking at the facts!
I didn’t realize younf was so old and had such a lousy contract. Plus, not the offensive machine presented.
5 years at 16per? Until he is 37?
Yeah, take him but only as more of a salary dump.
atlantasnumber1metsfan
No, he is not. I would take Utley, Roberts, and Pedroia before him.
ok name 10….let’s hear it….I got Pedroia in front of him at 2nd…who else?
Starz, he’s just not that good. You don’t see a decline? From 2005 through 2008 his OPS+ numbers: 131, 108, 107, 96. He hits for very little power, and his doubles have been in decline for two seasons. He doesn’t steal bases. He is a bad defensive player (at least at SS). His strikeouts have climbed every year since 2004. His hits have declined every year since 2005. His average dropped twenty-nine points, and his BABIP was actually on the high side (.323) so that isn’t the reason. He had a .680 OPS on the road last year. To top it all off, he has one of the worst extensions in baseball at 16 million a year for 5 years. And some are essentially giving Texas a blank check to ask for whatever they want? For Michael Young? Wow.
when somebody from atlanta make a statement please don’t reply back.. thank you..
You would take Brian Roberts in front of him?
Really?
You ever actually watch Roberts play?
alex…i’ve been in ny longer than you’ve been alive…i wouldn’t go there buddy. Just happen to live in ATL now…
have any of you actually considered that we would be getting rid of Castillo for him?
by the time he gets to 37, he’ll be a bargain with the way salaries are sky rocketing every year in baseball…beltran’s contract was ludicrous like speed in spaceballs when he signed it, now people say “it’s a bargain”
young ISNT as good as some people are saying here, but he DEFNITELY isnt as bad as the naysayers are saying here…his presence would be TREMENDOUS on this team..and remember, if geting virtually ANYONE means gettin RID of castillo, that makes that new player THAT much better and valuable
Atlatnasnumber1Metsfan:
1. Utley, obviously
2. Pedroia, obviously
3. Ian Kinsler
4 Orlando Hudson
5. Robinson Cano
6. Brandon Philips
7. Brian Roberts
Not really in any order. Then you’ve also got guys like Uggla. So he’s #2 on that list? Haha, really? And we’re basing this on what exactly?
51…
Wow.
Utley, Roberts, Pedroia, Cano, Hudson, Phillips, Kinsler, Polanco, Alexei Ramirez, Uggla, Ellis, Kelly Johnson, DeRosa
all better than Young
I say Omar just finishes all his moves, and if Castillo isn’t one of them, decide in the spring.
If someone else steps up to win the job, release him.
If he is healthier and looks like he can play at all, and there are no better options (and Omar should be trying to find one), then he plays until he proves he can’t.
There aren’t ten guys ahead of him, but I would take these guys before Young
Pedroia
Roberts
Utley
A. Ramirez
Kinsler
Uggla (maybe….he is still very young and hits 30+ hr)
I agree with Bigchart….Young went from being overrated to underrated very quickly. He plays every day, gets near 200 hits, but is lacking in the power department. It would probably take way too much to get him, but I’d have no problem with Young at 2b.
Kellman, have you looked at any of those guys stats besides the top two..Young beats out all of them….
I understand there has been a decline…but its a decline from being the best hitting SS a few years ago to still hitting over 180 hits, over 30 doubles, over 80 RBIs, and batting around .300. his strikeout-walk ratio is only 2:1.
he may not be as great a hitter as he was, but I don’t think its unreasonable that he couldn’t continue those numbers from 2008. I don’t think we can say he’s gonna lose all ability to hit. You can say he’s a bad SS defensively, but he only had 11 errors last year.
I seriously cannot believe that anyone would think Young’s contract, at 16 million per year 5 years from now, would be a bargain. It’s a bad contract RIGHT NOW. I don’t even think anyone would debate that, I think people are arguing more on how good or bad he is. I seriously doubt people think that contract is anything but bad.
KRod is about to get 12+ million per year at age 26 because of the economy and a lack of demand. Adam Dunn cannot get a contract. With the exception of the huge FAs, the little guys are going to see their salaries fall. And 15 million a year for a 37 year old Young is going to be a bargain? I didn’t realize. Sign me up!
atlanta-ever occurred to you that the rangers will never take Castillo?
Yes he’s 32…that’s probably the only downside….besides his contract. but we would be getting rid of Castillo!
Kellman, Young won a Gold Glove at short this year, and he’s a .340 hitter lifetime with RISP…I’m not saying he’s worth giving up everyone to get him, but I think you’re undervaluing him a bit…
Starz, he’s not a bad hitter. You’re exactly right. His decline is from the best hitting SS, but my problem here is people still think he IS the best hitting SS (judging by what they’ll offer for him).
my entire argument is based off the fact that we would be getting rid of Castillo, I would agree that him for two prospects doesn’t work.
Atlanta: Look at my list; every guy on it had better stats than Young last year except for Cano
Those are a great numbers to have out of a 2B…The attraction I like, is that he hits…Maybe not for power, but we already have power guys, we need guys that can hit, consistently.
Orlando Hudson has never been CLOSE to Young’s production.
MDem, I know he won a GG. It was a worse GG winner than Jeter’s two. Don’t you remember how up-in-arms people were when Michael Young somehow stole a GG? I read an article somewhere – I’ll look for it – rating him after the top-30 SS’s defensively in baseball last year, something like that.
Atlanta, I don’t care about what Michael Young did in 2005. It’s about 2007, 2008, and projections for the future. Utley, Pedroia, and Kinsler you cannot argue against. The others put up comparable or better numbers, are younger, and have far less decline statistically. A 96 OPS+ is really not a very good season at all.
Kinsler batted .319, 18 HRs and 71 rbis…not to mention 26 sb. Alexei Ramirez also hit .290 with 21 hr and 77 rbi.
Young-.284, 82 rbi, 12 hr
@ age 32, its not going to go up any more.
Sylar, One year does not a carrer make…Young is being seriously undervalued by most people on this board…please take a look at him carrer numbers when comparing
Fair enough Kellman…I’m not sure what I think of his contract, but if it meant less talent we had to trade away, then I think there should be some legit interest.
stop saying we will be getting rid of castillo! you have a better shot at selling ice cream to an eskimo!
atlantasnumber1metsfan
sorry man if i was out of line b4.. but sometimes i noticed ur comments make no sense.. but i still shouldn’t had gone there.. apologies.. i do hope we get young, not for f-mart..
Kellman—
in reality terms, of COURSE not, it’s not a bargain, come on, i got more sense than that…i’d allow myself to get shoe’d in the apple bag 5 hours a day, 5 days a week for that much money
but im talking BASEBALL economics…johan santana, who is STILL the best pitcher in baseball i think, gets a record deal, and the NEXT season the yanks START OUT with CC with a contract that is more than his..not saying cc isnt worth it, but i personally dont think he’s better than johan…but thats how baseball economics works, u see what people did last year, and if you’re comparable, you ask for more money…K rod is great, but he’s no mariano (even at this old age) and just cuz he’s a FA at the right time, INITIALLY they were asking 5 for 75 (thank god we didnt give him that)….
how many times did you hear “beltran is almost a bargain at 17 per” this year? I heard it often…i dont think anyone REALLY thinks he’s a “bargain” but they’re talking in baseball terms…5 years from now, i cant IMAGINE what a pujols type player could get in free agency..i mean jeez, a-rod got a 10 year deal, opted out for ANOTHER 10 year deal…it’s insane
but atlanta, his best years are behind him, so his career numbers will never be matched again. seriously, you act like he is the best thing since sliced bread. this is seriously a moot point, though, because the rangers will never take castillo and omar will never take youngs contract.
Atlanta, yes, one year does not make a career, but if you look at his numbers the last few years, they’ve been getting significantly worse every year, and that trend will continue as he ages more.
Oh, and Hudson’s been better than Young in each of the past 2 years
Starz, O-Dog is a dynamite defensive player. Young is pretty awful, at least as a SS. Even if you wanted to give him average defense at 2B (which is no guarantee), his offensive production wouldn’t close the gap.
And Hudson put up OPS+’s of 102, 106, and 108 over the past three seasons. The only real knock on him should be that he gets hurt. He’s a good, solid hitter, great fielder, couple of years younger, and will cost far less than Young’s 80 million over 5.
Ok Alex..no problem….so if not for FMart…(who could be Alex Escobar) who would you guys trade Young for…he’s obviously a serious upgrade.
Hudson’s injuries aren’t nagging injuries, though. They have been broken bones, which could happen to anybody regardless how injury prone they are. just bad luck, thats all.
BigChart,
I know what you mean, but Beltran has been productive on his contract. He’s a really good offensive player and a great fielder. Young at 15 million, baseball economics or not, will never be a bargain. It is a bad contract now and will be completely horrible at age 37 when his production has declined even more.
I would take Young as a player, but not for what he will cost and not with that contract he is under.
Micheal Young has pretty much equaled Derek Jeter’s production over the last 5 years, if not been a little better.
Yet no Mets fan would want that at 2nd base and as a #2 hitter.
I know in 4 years you might not, but for the next year to 2 i know for one i would love it.
Atlanta,
Why would we possibly look at Michael Young’s 2004/2005 season? It couldn’t be less relevant right now. We’re four years removed from that (which happened to be his prime age years) and he has CLEARLY declined statistically. Whether you think his stats are still great, fine, I won’t bother arguing that (they’re not, but I don’t think that’s worth arguing about). But can you tell me that he hasn’t seen a decline in the last 3-4 seasons? And he is getting paid 80 million over 5 years? This is a no-brainer.
And BTW, him being a serious upgrade over our 2B is not exactly earth-shattering. Luis Castillo is our 2B.
KELLMAN (77)
DIDN’T YOUNG WON THE AL SS GOLD GLOVE AWARD IN 2008!!??? AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE!!!
Obviously, Young would be an upgrade over Castillo…. It just isn’t worth it to take on that contract, and have it burden you in the next few years
Mark4212,
Jeter has been far better than Michael Young over the last 5 seasons.
Alex242 (84)
Yah, you are. He’s a horrible fielder and it was one of the worst GG winners ever. Did you read anything on it at the time? Keith Law was losing his mind at how such an awful fielder could win a GG. I saw a stat that had him after 30 or so fielders in terms of defense in 2008. He was really awful. It was like when Jeter won the two GGs.
I don’t understand…Hudson may have had a better OPS…but, Young in 2007 and 2008 had 201 hits and 184 hits, 80 runs and 102, 94 RBI and 82, and hit .315 average and .284, respectively
Hudson wasn’t close to that…69 runs and 54, 124 H and 124, 63 RBI and 41 RBI, and average was similar with .294 and .304..
To be fair…Hudson in 2007 and 2008 played 139 games and 107 and young was over 150 in both.
There are big difference there and if I remember correctly they both bat #3.
What Young would have going for him as a 2B is that his his “good” skills as a SS might translate. He has pretty much no range as a SS, but good enough hands (11 errors is a product of not getting to as many balls as the average fielder, but his hands are good). I wouldn’t want him, but at least he wouldn’t be playing SS.
Kellman really
2004. Young had more hits, RBI’s less k’s, a better BA, a better Slug, a better OBP and more runs scored
2005 isn’t even close Young destroyed Jeter in every category except BB
2006 Jeter killed young, but young had more Doubles, HR RBI’s
2007 jeter had .10 pts better BA, Young had more hits, doubles, RBI’s,
2008 Young had again .10 pts less BA, but still managed more hits, doubles, HR’s RBI’s.
Yes jeter gets him in Average every year. And “Clutch” yankee hits, cause every jeter hit is a clutch hit.
On a 3 year average for the 2. Young averages more Hits, More doubles, more HR’s, less k’s, about .05 less in BA, and a better Slugging percentage.
Sorry i don’t see where jeter over 5 years has been more productive. Outside his 2006 season when he hit .341
the .340 lifetime with RISP is the stat that shows me his value. I can think of only a handful of players in baseball that I’d rather have at the plate needing a hit with the game on the line…
Michael young does have a history at 2nd base. He played there in 2001-2003, when some guy named Alex Rodriguez was playing short stop. He then moved to SS to accommodate some guy named Alfonso Soriano was playing there, before Kingsler was called up.
When he was at 2nd base he was a high .980’s fielder with 8-10 errors. Which was where our boy Mr. Castillo was when he was at his best in FLA.
I’d say he would be adequate to be the Mets 2nd baseman. If the deemed his bat would continue.
His contract is brutal though.
Young and Millwood
for
Castillo, and whatever prospects they want besides Fernando Martinez.
would Murphy, Niese, and Castillo be too much?
wow, Young is signed to a high dollar deal. 16MM/year…
scratch my offer for two top prospects as that would be too much.
btw, Young has a full not trade clause until 2010 when he can block a trade to eight teams. Then in 2011 he would be come a 10&5 if he stays in Texas.
Something tells me Texas is just putting out some feelers now and will really look to move Young in Jan 2010.
As a Rangers fan, let me tell you guys: getting Michael Young (for anything) would be nothing to be excited about.
That said, I would be extatic to get rid of him. And if he made ya’ll happy, all the better.
He’s terrible defensively, declining quickly offensively, and owed 16 million per through 2013. How is this better than Castillo?
O.k anyone who says that Michael Young isn’t good is crazy but before last year he hit better than .300 in 5 straight years. i don’t know about you but to have one of the fastest guys in baseball in Jose Reyes hit .300 and then have a patient, clutch hitter who will hit .300 isn’t a bad 1 2 punch. Also about his fielding, ss is the hardest position to play, you get a ton of action over there plus you don’t have to cover as much ground at 2nd base. I know that every met fan thinks that Jose Reyes is a great fielder, but last year when every body said that Jose Reyes should win a gg Michael Young had a better fielding percentage last year than Jose Reyes had in his whole career. Also the best batting avg Luis Castillo had is .334, 8 YEARS AGO after that its .314 which Michael Young has done better in 3 seasons RECENTLY Michael Young is a huge upgrade from Luis Castillo and i would LOVE to have him