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The Mets just announced that Omar Minaya will address reporters from the podium at the Bellagio around 12:30 am EDT, where he is expected to announce the acquisition of J.J. Putz from the Mariners in a three-team deal with the Indians.
SNY will be airing live coverage of Minaya’s announcement, as will WFAN, which you can listen to live by clicking here.
The Mets will soon issue a press release that explains they have acquired J.J. Putz, pitcher Sean Green and OF Jeremy Reed in exchange for Aaron Heilman, Joe Smith, Endy Chavez, Maikel Cleto, Ezequiel Carera, Jason Vargas and Mike Carp.
To see the entire deal, including who is coming and going from Cleveland and Seattle, go to David Lennon’s blog for Newsday.
In 47 games for the Mariners in 2008, during which he was on the disabled list twice, once with a hyperextended right elbow, Putz was 6–5 with a 3.88 ERA with 15 saves in 23 opportunities.
The 31–year-old Putz had a 1.88 ERA in 2007 with 40 saves, and a 2.30 ERA in 2006 with 36 saves.
Update, 11:36 PM:
According to Geoff Baker of the Seattle Times, the original version of this deal involved the Tigers and Reds in place of the Mets and Indians.
Instead, the Rays traded Edwin Jackson to the Tigers, which was reported two hours ago on FoxSports.com, and the Mets and Indians slipped in to complete a deal with the M’s.
…brilliant, omar…brilliant…in fact, from what i was just told, Omar Minaya got the call about this deal in the moments following today’s press conference to announce Francisco Rodriguez…
Update, 11:12 PM:
The deal is done, according to Ken Rosenthal at FoxSports.com, “J.J. Putz is headed to New York in a three-team trade with the Mariners and Indians,” according to major-league sources.
The Mets will get J.J. Putz, OF Jeremy Reed and reliever Sean Green; The Mariners will get Aaron Heilman, OF Endy Chavez, 1B Mike Carp and OF Franklin Gutierrez, plus minor leaguers from the Indians; The Indians will get RHP Joe Smith and infielder Luis Valbuena.
Update, 11:04 PM:
so, basically, Omar Minaya took a sledgehammer to his bullpen, and i can’t say that i blame him…
…i’m trying to see this deal as follows, and i like:
Aaron Heilman, Mike Carp and a second prospect for J.J. Putz, all while Jeremy Reed will replace Endy Chavez as the team’s defensive outfielder, and Sean Green will replace Joe Smith in the bullpen.
Update, 10:20 PM:
Mets reporter David Lennon of Newsday writes, ‘The three teams are currently going over the medical records and a deal could be announced shortly.’
Putz will earn $5.5 million next season, after which the team can exercise a $8.6 million option for 2010, or make him a free agent.
In 72 relief appearances for the M’s last season, the 29–year-old Green was 4–5 with a 4.67 ERA.
Update, 10:21 PM:
“The deal isn’t finalized, but Mariners and Indian sources said a deal could be completed later this evening or early Thursday,” writes M’s reporter John Hickey at the Seattle Post-Intelligencer.
Update, 10:08 PM:
Jon Heyman of SI.com believes it is a 12–player, three-team deal that would send J.J. Putz to the Mets, who would trade six players, including OF Endy Chavez, RHP Aaron Heilman and 1B Mike Carp.
…according to the below report, from MLB.com, one of the missing two players from the Mets would be Joe Smith…
Update, 9:40 PM:
According to Indians reporter Anthony Castrovince of MLB.com, ‘the Mets, Mariners and Indians appear to be on the verge of a three-team deal,’ in which the Mets will Putz, the Mariners will get OF Franklin Gutierrez and Luis Valbuena, while the Indians will get Smith.
“Aaron Heilman and OF Jeremy Reed are also believed to be involved, though it was unclear who would be headed where,” Castrovince reports.
…i have no idea who is going, and who is coming, but i will say this…someone familiar with the team’s thinking said to me a while back to keep an eye on putz, as the M’s had contacted the Mets about a deal, which is why on October 31, i wrote, here:
“Lastly, they’ll try to trade for a closer, specifically Putz, who, from what I can gather, likes the idea of pitching in New York.”
Update, 9:20 PM:
Ken Rosenthal at FoxSports believes Putz could be headed to the Mets in a three-team trade with the Indians.
According to Rosenthal, “Heilman, Chavez and Carp would be in the deal, as would Gutierrez.”
MLB Trade Rumors points out that Rosenthal’s original post described the Mets as ‘close to acquiring Putz,’ but has since been updated to read, ‘working on acquiring Putz.’
Original, 8:59 PM:
In a report for the Star-Ledger, in-the-know Dan Graziano reports the Mets and Mariners are in ‘serious discussions’ on a trade that could send Putz to New York in exchange for Heilman and Carp.
Earlier tonight, on SNY’s Mets Hot Stove, SI.com’s Jon Heyman mentioned Omar Minaya’s continued interest in Putz, despite signing Francisco Rodriguez, noting that Seattle’s closer could be used as a set-up man, which would be an unrealistic request for a pitcher like Brian Fuentes.
…wow, ‘now we’re cooking with gas,’ as Adam T. Intern used to say…i mean, this would be a tremendous deal in my book…
…prior to the K-Rod signing, i talked with a variety of scouts and people in baseball who believe putz has some of the best ‘stuff’ of any relief pitcher in baseball, so to slot him in to the eighth inning, for heilman and a minor-leaguer, who most believe is a DH in waiting, would be strong…
…in other words, i hope this happens…fingers crossed…
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i like putz!
GET THE FUDGE OUT
GET IT DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!
I.
LOVE.
THIS.
TRADE!
Please get this done!!
That’s cool, because the Rox allegedly turned down Heilman for Street and I like Putz better than I like Street anyway. To borrow a phrase from that old Ben Stiller character, “Do it, do it, do it, do it… do it.”
YAY! Heilman will be gone! Finally! Free!
C. C. who?
Go Omar go!
thats a steal
Omar is the man….if this deal gets done. JJ Putz is way better then Street who is as prone to injury as Kerry Wood or Carl Pavano
If that trade happen I would celebrate Omar as a top GM in all of baseball. See if you could get Washburn for Show at the same time. Thus answering our #5 starter for only 7 million.
Washburn is Washedup
Ok in this day of the blog age, we need to change this to:
“Man what a terrible trade, Omar stinks. The Mets would never want a loser like Putz”
We would not want the M’s backing out of the deal you know :)
I Likey
I don’t care if he is Washed up. He would be a #5 starter that could push Niese for a year, put up 200 innings and be gone after this year.
I’m seriously going to go for a victory lap around my house if this trade gets done.
This seems too good to be true.
But boy do I hope it is.
Please pull this off!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please pull this off!!!!!!!!!!!!
This seriously sounds too good to be true. I guess they would go ahead and bring up Carp to start at 1B and Heilman would join their rotation?
Philnym31 – sounds great, i think we’ll all join you
Holy c#$@ that would be the steal of the century. A big time legit closer to be your setup man and he’s signed for a few years and all you give it is Doug Sisk…I mean Armando…Aaron Heilman…and Mike Carp?? Wow
I like the deal i jsut dont know if we should wait a little while to see what may still be adavaiable later but then again with santana last year but i would like to see this deal wait a week or 2 and explore other deals i mean i doubt we will get better than this
at least heliman is worth something now. i mean i remember at the 1 trade deadline heilman and manny ramirez were in the same trade talks i woulda loved to get rid of him then but i like putz
FINALLY OMAR PUT HIS THINKING CAP ON AND REALIZED OOH DUH WE NEED RELIEF!!
if it means picking up Washburn’s large contract…GET IT DONE…if we only give up Heilwoman, Carp (a firstbase and replaceable prospect) and other scrap parts…you have to do this…then sign Lowe, enticing him with the allure of the national league and not getting booed for 5 years in boston with new york…and we’re talking a legit team here
From Rosenthal
“The Mets are working to acquire a setup man for new closer Francisco Rodriguez — and that setup man would be another closer from the American League West.
J.J. Putz could be headed to the Mets in a three-team trade with the Mariners and Indians, according to major-league sources.
Mets right-hander Aaron Heilman, outfielder Endy Chavez and first-base prospect Mike Carp would be in the deal, as would Indians outfielder Franklin Gutierrez.
The deal also would include one or more prospects, but it is not yet clear which players are headed where.”
metsrmyboys, seriously? Wait around? What better do you think you would get?
Just remember before we start deeming Omar the greatest GM ever if this trade goes through let’s remember that Mike Carp is a prospect, albeit not the greatest one, but a good one, and trading prospects away for a guy who’s plagued with injuries, increased his ERA so much from his best season, and is getting somewhat older (though not older).
BUT the WORD AARON HEILMAN GONE = DO IT. I DON’T CARE OMAR, if Seattle accepts we’ll PAY J.J. PUTZ.
Wow, that would be terrific if he can get that done. As I’ve said, I’d be satisfied with just K-Rod and one other solid reliever if that’s all Omar does this winter.
Sure it’s always nice to add to the offense and go for another big gun and get rid of all their under-performing parts, but that’s unrealistic. Sometimes Mets fans are beginning to sound like over-demanding Yankee fans. It’s enough that the Mets already spend the most in the NL. They don’t need to become the ugly gluttonous Yankees that gets it done on money alone.
ooh no no no now i am not likeing this too much if you get rid of endy chavez give me gutierrez he is great the buffalo bisons are in my home town i have seen tons of gutierrez and would love him i mean still good but it needs to get done before we give anymore cuz right now give give give give until it is awful for us
metsrmyboys, you want to wait a little longer? Till Roy Halladay or Mo Rivera becomes available. You don’t wait if this deal is legit you jump on it and throw in season tix and a couple of Knick city dancers if you have to. this would be the steal of the century
Can we get Gutierrez too? He would not be a bad platoon guy for Murphy.
PLEASE-O-PLEASE
We’re probably losing Endy in the deal. I’d miss him, but we do have Angel Pagan.
Someone up there mentioned that we should wait…why wait? If we could have Putz for Heilman, Endy (per MLBTR), and Carp, get it done ASAP. MLBTR and FoxSports have the scoop on this as well, Cleveland is also involved, and in fact would probably get Heilman
guiterrez? who are you talking about metsrmyboys?
Lets not get greedy, the Mets aren’t giving up anything that can’t be replaced, Carp is a glorified DH, heilman we know needs to go and Endy…we all love him but a 4th outfielder is all Endy is. You are getting a top notch closer with great stuff and who is locked up for a few years too. In three years then you get to choose which closer you’d like to keep. Its a no-brainer.
yes i like the deal but as i said maybe we waited too long and i heard rumors of a peavy trade with heliman involved i heard of a jason variktek deal sox sign and trade em i have heard alot of good and i love chavez off the bench
Metsrmyboys, how is this bad for US? Although Putz’s numbers were down last year, he was completely dominant the 2 years prior. Heilman, Carp, and Endy for Putz is an absolute steal for us…
Endy will always be a hero in my book. However, he’s barely had time the past 2 years.
GET IT DONE!
I think the rumor suggests Gutierrez is going from CLE to SEA as part of a 3 team trade.
yes franklin gutierrez the outfieled i haven;t looked at his stats but he is a speedy, excellent fielder taht could develope with kmart in the corners or center field if we loose beltran in the comin years
Gina, see my post from Fox. Franklin Gutierrez is involved going somewhere. One would imagine that he would be going to the Mets, Heilman to the Indians and prospects along with Endy from the Mets and Indians to the M’s.
im not so sure, yes i would love to have putz in our pen, and god knows i want heilman out, but mike carp is our #1 1b prospect, and i hope will be able to be like mike jacobs/carls delgado and play amazingly. but idk i just want to win!
if all it took was heilman+carp for putz, you do it.
git er done.
ooh yes i love chavez but manuel seems to hate him i mean i like this deal i would do it but i would love to see 2 seperate deals i would love to pick up gutierrez also
It will take more than Heilman & Carp, throw in Bowman 7 Duca
Oh wow Franklin Guiterriz? This would be an awesome deal.
Please get it done.
You love Endy off the bench? Is that a reason not to get a closer? I mean come on now, you are giving up nothing. You heard Peavy rumors? Yeah no credible source has Peavy going to the Mets. And Varitek? really you’d hold up this deal for a catcher who can’t hit a lick anymore? Sorry dude, no dice.
If it sounds too good to be true, that’s because it is. NO way this trade goes down as reported. Putz for Heilman and Carp is robbery.
Carp is trying to learn the OF right now, he is not our only 1B prospect. With Muprhy and Evans I don’t think Carp is that big of a deal.
Wait a minute? Did you just say be able to be like Mike Jacobs and play amazingly? Never mind. LOL.
And I meant sign one of those guys. Hopefully that was obvious.
People on this forum come up with these fantasy trades for the Mets, to which others respond with some variation of “other teams are not in existence to just help the Mets”… and then you hear this trade and you think hey, maybe they are.
i have always said carp to be delgados back up but he is injury prone and he has been the first baseman of tomorrow for 3 years jacobs was promising came up and lit up the world
hahahahaha
metsrmyboys just called FMart KMART!
HAHAHA
This deal is sick if true, do it up
If the Mets have to give up Heilman, Carp AND Endy, I hope the mets get a prospect or another player in return along with Putz.
Metsrmyboys, you do realize we got this guy named Nick Evans who can play 1st, as well as Murphy…
Carp is expendable, and Endy is SO expendable, love the guy, but come on….
JJ Putz?????!!!!!!!!!! Bwhahahahahahaha.
Now, don’t tease me. DON’T TEASE ME! Make this happen Omar.
Btw, has anybody seen Putz pitch?
Carp, our top first base prospect? Did you follow the draft last year, the Mets #1 pick is a first baseman, I’m pretty sure he’s their top first base prospect. Cap can’t play the field, he’s a DH and destined for the American League.
And you have to actually give up something if you want to get a good player. I mean you don’t want to give up Chavez and Carp for JJ Putz. Did you expect them to give him to us for Castillo, Easley and some tix to the new stadium?
i like the deal, but i would really miss endy
Putz setting up K-Rod holy s#@$. we go from having arguably the worst pen in baseball. to possibly one of the most dominant. Think about it towards the end of last year we had Brian Stokes setting up for Luis Ayala. and posibly in ‘09 we have Putz setting up for K-Rod. IS THIS REAL??? The absolute cherry on top would be Cordero for the 7th. However now that we could have a good bull pen we need starters. But lets not get ahead of ourselves…
in that deal id also be willing to give 1 more prospect as long as its not a prospect
But why Endy :( i wouldn’t trade Endy for the world…
Ike Davis, the Mets #1 pick from last year plays first. I think they probably expect him to be the first baseman of the future
why would the mariners want our spare parts in exchange for JJ PUTZ??????? why dont we give them Castillo to sweeten the deal
i dont get this trade at all, sounds like pure BS
for that matter, why would the rockies trade street for hielman
its nuts
@ The Slider 57
I haven’t seen him in person, but I have the MLB package on TV and have seen him many times that way, he’s electric!
if we’re getting Gutierrez back then Endy is extremely expendable.
The Rockies aren’t trading Street for Heilman, that came out earlier today. But I guess Seattle is dumber. Its about time we benefit from a clueless organization. We rarely do.
I would miss Endy too. Then maybe there is truth to the Juan Pierre acquisition?
cousinrk : Ike Davis struggled in his first year.
“i have always said carp to be delgados back up but he is injury prone and he has been the first baseman of tomorrow for 3 years jacobs was promising came up and lit up the world”
Carp isn’t Delgado’s back up currently, that would be Evans, then you an even throw in murphy after that….
carp is very expendable, obviously heilman is , and although i love him, as is endy, we have pagan in the wings too….. this trade wouldn’t make me think twice.
why would the mariners want our spare parts in exchange for JJ PUTZ??????? why dont we give them Castillo to sweeten the deal
i dont get this trade at all, sounds like pure BS
for that matter, why would the rockies trade street for hielman
its nuts
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Maybe because, unlike Mets fans, most teams in the league still view Heilman as having value. He is going to do wel in Seattle…..but not as well as Putz. I prefer this move over getting Street from Colorado.
Get it done Omar!
Putz setting up for K-Rod… .What a sight!
i hate the new comments being on to, its confusing me
According to indians.com, it looks like Joe Smith is also in the deal (sad face)
GravediggerHebner says:
@ The Slider 57
I haven’t seen him in person, but I have the MLB package on TV and have seen him many times that way, he’s electric!
Ooooh, yes; oooooh yes. oh, oh, oh . . . . ahhhhh.
i think murphy is our top 1b option after this year in LF
This would be a coup. Even if it also included Smith as has been rumored. I love mighty Joe, but he’s a ROOGY at best and maybe this deal could give Omar an excuse to get Bradford back or keep Duaner around as situational righty.
Why does everyone have so much over value for Endy? Because of one really what turned out to be insignificant catch? He’s great back up OF but really how many more games does he win us than Angel Pagan?
Joe Smith is in the deal. Check out Mets.com
“The Indians, Mets and Mariners appear to be on the verge of a three-team deal in which J.J. Putz would go to New York as the setup man to the newly acquired Francisco Rodriguez.
The particulars of the deal were still being worked out Wednesday night at the Bellagio, but it appears Franklin Gutierrez is headed to the M’s, and Mets right-handed reliever Joe Smith and Mariners infielder Luis Valbuena are coming to Cleveland.
Mets right-hander Aaron Heilman and Mariners outfielder Jeremy Reed are also believed to be involved, though it is unclear who is headed where.
Stay tuned. Many, many more updates to come”
Thats from Anthony Castro. on indians.com
awww…i’d miss Joe!
If joe smith is truly involved i really do not like this trade
Sylar says:
“According to indians.com, it looks like Joe Smith is also in the deal (sad face)”
whoa…you’re kidding me right? i’m not down then…
here’s what Indians dot com says:
The Mets, Mariners and Indians appear to be on the verge of a three-team deal in which J.J. Putz would go to New York as the setup man to the newly acquired Francisco Rodriguez.
The particulars of the deal were still being worked out Wednesday night at the Bellagio, but MLB.com has learned the Mariners would likely receive Indians outfielder Franklin Gutierrez and the Indians would receive Mets right-handed reliever Joe Smith and Mariners infielder Luis Valbuena.
Mets right-hander Aaron Heilman and Mariners outfielder Jeremy Reed are also believed to be involved, though it is unclear who is headed where.
Hmm if we’re giving all that up and just getting Putz, not to take away from Putz, then I’m not sure how I feel about this deal.
If Joe Smith is involved… well, the trade isn’t quite as good but it is still a deal you 100% make.
ok now this is gettig rediculous i do a 2 team deal carp and heilman for him and i do the 3 way deal if we give up carp heilman and chavez for either gutierreez or putz but now smith what next feliciano, easly, andhey why not add santana we got a deal on him
if we are just giving up heilman/carp/chavez get this done asap… i will miss chavez just for his 9th inning defense….
Would hate to lose Smith, but it’s not exactly giving up “all that much” if we trade Heilman and Smith for Putz.
2 setup men for a shutdown closer is a damn good deal if it can happen. Even if you have to throw in a guy like Carp or Endy.
giving up Joe Smith and Heilman for Putz? I think you still gotta do it….
Ugh, Smith. But you HAVE to love Franklin Guiterrez. Like really you HAVE to do it simply because he could solve an OF spot. It’s platoon with Evans/Murphy come on. This is still doable.
acording to mets.com it appears the mets are only givong up heilman and smith so at least were not giving up carp and endy too. I’m still going to miss Smitty though.
Oh please, of course you still do this. Joe Smith is a nice player to have but is incredibly replaceable.
My guess would be that Jeremy Reed would be coming to the Mets, essentially replaces Endy as OF defensive replacement.
metsrmyboys – what are you talking about? Taking out Carp and Endy and adding in Joe Smith suddenly makes you hate this deal? wait, you thought Carp was the next coming of Keith Hernandez…
Joe Smith has been very solid, but hes replaceable.
Guttierez isn’t coming here.
I really hope we aren’t giving up Smith…
“Ugh, Smith. But you HAVE to love Franklin Guiterrez. Like really you HAVE to do it simply because he could solve an OF spot. It’s platoon with Evans/Murphy come on. This is still doable”
Were not gettin Guitierrez, were getting Putz
things, heating up edwin jackson looking like he is going to detroit
according to cots baseabll contracts putz only makes 5 mil next year with 8.6 mil option in 10
One possible replacement for Joe Smith is Chad Bradford, it was rumored previously that the Rays offered Bradford to the Mets as a salary dump, wanting nothing of value in return.
carp and chvez dont let the door in the but but now smith i dont like this i mean we better get more than putz if all of these guys
BUT IDC AS LONG AS I DONT HAVE TO C HEALMAN NEMORE go to
i saw some1 make a rap out of him it is so good go to prosportsdaily.com mets rumors then go the the top blog some1 typed it in
I don’t want to lose Joe Smith =(
I find it amazing how attached we are to role players on this team.
Heilman, Smith, Endy all of those are very replaceable parts.
I am sure you could get Bradford back for Smith if you still wanted a ROOGY.
But for that matter we will have enough RH’s in the pen with Putz and Krod added.
Krod
Putz
Stokes
Parnell
Sanchez
He also had a 1.38 ERA in 2007, not 1.88
jeremy reeds defense isn’t anywhere close to endy’s.
kinda thinks to give up smith, but lets face it, the guy can be brilliant or real bad..he can be replaced..maybe omar goes back to the rays and says “i’ll take bradford from u now if ur willing ot give him to us for nothing again”
2 things about this trade though…putz is gonna make NINE MILLION next year and then has an option for 8.6 million..isnt that A LOT to be paying someone to set up? Not htat i care, it’s not my money…
BUT, if u think about it, for just a little more, you could have at least been in the game for Kerry Wood to set up, then save your trade pieces in THIS deal for Huston Street…now THAT would be a sick bullpen…yes yes, i know, “wood wanted to close” but does he REALLY? he’s a starter normally, one year as closer…who konws what he wants..at this point in his career he probably just wanted to get paid…
I don’t care about smith but it still seems like a lot of useful parts for putz, when there are players available who aren’t going to cost anything but money in FA.
BTW my post was to matt who posted the article
not endy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i could honestly say hes the best fielder i have seen he has save many games for us and if he goes i will miss him alot
Edwin Jackson to the Tigers
” The Mariners rewarded Putz for saving 36 games on a last-place team in 2006, his second full year in the major leagues. They gave the right-hander a $1.5 million signing bonus plus base salaries of $2.2 million this season, $3.4 million in 2008 and $5 million in 2009.
The Mariners have an $8.6 million option for 2010, with a $1 million buyout.”
So the 8.6 is right, but the other numbers area so far off
It makes no sense that Putz earns 9+ million this year, and then his option is less. I bet Matt got that wrong.
This deal had me very interested til i looked on mlbtr and saw that Joe Smith could be in the deal… No thanks…
either you guys misinterpretted me or i said it wrong i dont want carp he has been the 1b of tomorrow he aint ever gunna be much i mean if so he woulda been up here last spring during delgados slump and we have enough back ups i would give carp for alot less i mean he aint high on my list but as much as i love chavez i hate to loose smith but i am not liking this deal as more and more get involved i mean what next a few more players
i would love to do 2 seperate deals 1 more putz and hte other for gutierrez
I really don’t like Omar but wow, people are going to complain because JOE SMITH got traded? Really? He’s a good, solid relief pitcher. He is nothing more and is completely expendable. Joe Smith, Heilman, and Carp is a bargain for Putz IMO.
You guys kill me. I will glady trade Endy Smith or Heilman. They are role players. Who cares? Endy is a great 1 inning man that puts the bench in a bad spot because he is a worse hitter than Castillo. Smith is just a ROOGY and Heilman, LOL.
Gina says:
December 10th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
I don’t care about smith but it still seems like a lot of useful parts for putz, when there are players available who aren’t going to cost anything but money in FA.
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A lot of parts?!?!? According to mets.com its Heilman and Smith. How is that “a lot of usefull parts”?
Makes sense to me. Jerry always talks about wanting “Crossover” guys in his bullpen that can get out righties and lefties. Joe Smith doesnt exactly fit that mold.
bigchart333, after the Yankees just spent $160 million on CC, and after Wilpon appears to refuse to eat Castillo’s contract …..
WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??????? You are complaining about paying JJ Putz under $9 million per year to be our extraordinary set-up reliever????
Please, just stop.
big chart matt has putz 09 salary wrong its 5 mil in 09 with 8.6 mil option in 2010 or 1 mil buyout
Although I do agree it’s weird so many people are against this deal because of smith. He’s a roogy, you can find those types of relievers on most AAA teams.
so yall think this will get done tonite tomorrow or on or never
Hahaha people love joe smith cause he can get out right handed hitters. Bye bye…. give them feliciano and Show also Get rid of the dead weight who can’t do anything against half the plate.
Joe Smith, Carp, and Heilman for Putz is a steal. Better then the deal for street.
I like Putz… but if Jackson goes to the tigers, I doubt we can get Sonnistine from Tampa
Actually I take what I said back… essentially we’re trading Smith for Putz which is good… Cuz Heilman is nuthin
Kellman—i TOTALLY agree..putz is a CLOSER, 2 seasons ago he was hands down the best relief pitcher, he had an ERA in the AL of UNDER 1 for a long time…giving up stupid endy and smith is nothing, especially when it means heilman is gone…
i only said “kinda dont wanna trade smith” because if bullpen is our weak point, why trade one of our stronger young kids? But we got Kunz and maybe can still get bradford from the rays….this trade MUST go thru, putz is ridiculously good..he pitched hurt last year…lets hope though this isnt a BJ Ryan situation where he was sick but kinda hurt coming into FA from Baltimore, then goes to Toronto and gets hurt a year later…would hate to give all that up and see putz pitch half a season
Gina, I can’t believe there are posters here who are against this deal by nitpicking about insignificant things.
i love joe smith, i think we all do, seeing that homegrown talent turn into something good… but that said, if were just giving up him and heilman thats no problem, even thorwing endy in there. But anything more than that i think we should get more than just putz. But I sure hope we could get bradford back, i miss him.
Edwin Jackson to the tigers, Matt Joyce to the Rays.
I think the Rays got the better of this deal.
Bring in Washburn with this trade and send them Show. We need a #5 starter that will be gone in a year to let Niese start.
i just thought of it this is a stupid questing but putz is a rh right
Gina I’m not claiming to know the competence or lack thereof of Reed’s defense, I was just pointing out that he’s played all 3 OF positions plus 1B in his career, so with a salary of $650,000 and only 2 years of service time he could slot in nicely as a backup on the Mets. Few teams in baseball (perhaps now the Mariners do) have a backup OF as competent defensively as Endy. If that is a dire need for the ‘09 Mets I trust Omar to find one.
I thought it was Smith, Heilman, Carp and Endy?
Yeah, Putz is a righty.
no gina just heilman and smith as far as i know
Edwin Jackson to the Tigers for Mike Joyce.. nice deal for the Tigers
and if he can’t find one I’ll just have to dry my tears with my new improved bullpen that will be striking out so many people the late inning OF defense will be less meaningful anyway.
oh okay, wow just heilman and smith? that seems like a major steal. i wonder what the indians angle in this is and what they’re getting from Seattle.
i do, but i would try to give up mabe someone like evens or another low or mid prospect and keep endy.
If we get rid of him then i say we go and get baldelli to take his spot on the team
Putz would give us a very good 1-2 cobo at the end of games
The back end of the bullpen will have a ready-made nickname – Putz Rodriguez (w/ Putz pronounced like Pudge).
the real… not a bad idea if they will agree to it. Washbourn isn’t an awful 5th starter.
Please let them get Putz. The 8-9 will suddenly not scare me. And the offseason will be heading in a solid direction
Since Citi is gonna be a big pitcher’s ballpark, all we need is to do this trade, get some SP, a MR and we have ourselves the best pitching in the NL
Mets should also try and get a salary dump of Rafel Betancourt in the deal. That guy was a stud.
Krod
Putz
Betancourt
Stokes
Feliciano/Show
Sanchez/Parnell
That would be nice pen even with the left overs.
Dont worry about endy. really. pagan is better anyway.
And for who ever said they would rather trade Evans than Endy, to me that makes no sense at all. Evans is young and COULD turn into a starting 1B. Endy will never start for us and will always be a 1 inning backup player that can’t hit.
gina seattle would get gutierrezz from cleveland and all of our guys would probably go to cleveland and we may get another toss in but…
I think nothing of Evans and his future as a starting MLB’er, but he has more value than Endy does just by virtue of being young.
Matt you are starting to lose it. LOL.
Carp so far is not mentioned and Smith for sure is. Thus right now it could be Heilman, Smith and Endy for Reed and Putz. Again we have really seen nothing involving Endy. It could be that the Inidans wanted Endy and the M’s instead sent Reed being they are very similar players.
Here’s what Ryan Divish who covers Seattle says:
It’s reported
Ma
riners get — OF Franklin Gutierrez from Cleveland and Aaron Heilman from NY.
Indians get — IF Luis Valbuena from the Mariners and reliever Joe Smith from the Mets.
Mets get — Putz and Jeremy Reed
Just left our meeting with Mariners general manger Jack Zduriencik and it appears as though a deal for closer J.J. Putz could happen sometime in the coming days and possibly tonight.
When asked if a proposal on the table, Zduriencik said. “Yes, there is something to think about in detail.”
as per mlbtr
MLB.com’s Anthony Castrovince says the three teams “appear to be on the verge” of a deal. He says that if the deal goes through the Mariners would get Gutierrez and the Indians would get Joe Smith and Mariners prospect Luis Valbuena. Heilman and Jeremy Reed would also be involved in some capacity. Graziano suggests not all of the players in the trade have been decided upon. Mariners GM Jack Zduriencik admitted a proposal is on the table.
my question is is by trading smith arent we cutting off our nose to spite our face or do we plug in knight or vargas in that role??
I don’t know about anybody else but Joe Smith has been one of my favorites since he first showed up at Spring Training. He isn’t just a piece of the bullpen, he seems like a great guy and somebody everyone on the team liked. I met him this Spring and he was great with all the fans. I would miss seeing him during the games and with the team.
I can’t wait to see how this ends up if it happens. My fear is it will be like many trades before with 3 teams. Start small and then wind up being too big and never go through.
OK guys here’s my take of this:
GREAT trade… Endy can be replaced by FMart/Pagan
Smith will be fine to leave bcause essentially were just trading Endy and Smith cuz Heilman is a waist…
Plus the more I read about this in different websites, the more i think this is gonna get down soon…
as per mlbtr
MLB.com’s Anthony Castrovince says the three teams “appear to be on the verge” of a deal. He says that if the deal goes through the Mariners would get Gutierrez and the Indians would get Joe Smith and Mariners prospect Luis Valbuena. Heilman and Jeremy Reed would also be involved in some capacity. Graziano suggests not all of the players in the trade have been decided upon. Mariners GM Jack Zduriencik admitted a proposal is on the table.
my question is is by trading smith arent we cutting off our nose to spite our face or do we plug in knight or varga$ in that role??
lol just what we need -another putz in the pen lol
you are all nuts, Joe Smith did a good job for us and we all know what Endy provides but to get a solid performer for those days when KROD is unavailable or to enable our starters to go 7 and game over is invaluable. Thats the model to the playoffs. Joe like ya, Endy like ya, Heilman gotta be kidding me, Hello Putz Hello playoffs, sign a left handed bat for left either now or in July and they only are in need of Wolfe for 3rd starter.
If we are replacing Smith with Putz then how are we cutting off our nose? I don’t count Heilman because well…..
I apologize for the repeat, just trying to get this in the most recent “50″ of this thread.
Here’s what Ryan Divish who covers Seattle says:
It’s reported
Ma
riners get — OF Franklin Gutierrez from Cleveland and Aaron Heilman from NY.
Indians get — IF Luis Valbuena from the Mariners and reliever Joe Smith from the Mets.
Mets get — Putz and Jeremy Reed
Just left our meeting with Mariners general manger Jack Zduriencik and it appears as though a deal for closer J.J. Putz could happen sometime in the coming days and possibly tonight.
When asked if a proposal on the table, Zduriencik said. “Yes, there is something to think about in detail.”
Jon Heyman said on SNY, it’s a 12 player trade.
maybe not for the 09 season, but i think i’d rather have street, since he’s 6 years younger than putz. i would think the mets could up their offer to the rockies without giving up anything really significant pieces.
well i gotta get some sleep but i will wake up early tmorrow to check this out i hope we get him this could be great
COMON OMAR DO THIS LETS DO IT I MAY NOT BE THE FOUNDEST BUT DONT LET THIS GREEEEAAATTTT DEAL SLIP AWAY
rusty–
LMAO…VERY good one..i cant believe no one got to that yet…very good..u made me laugh, calmed me down a bit..i got all fired up before..ok all im gonna finish watchin my UFC Fight for the Troops…
i hope when i check back in 2 hours, we have added a Putz…
latesss
i read the posting also. its a little misleading. it makes it sound like a done deal. but thats not really waht its saying.
Thanks for the post Gravedigger!!!!!!!!
Thanks for the post Gravedigger!!!!!!!!
To be honest Joe Smith could have saved my puppy from a burning building and I wouldn’t have a problem with trading him. He is a roogy. easily replaceable.
umm guys, im getting woried.jon heyman saying mets would give up 6 players….. thats alot…
From Heyman’s column:
“The Mets, Indians and Mariners are discussing a 12-player trade in which Seattle reliever J.J. Putz would go to the Mets. In the deal being discussed, the Mets would surrender six players, including outfielder Endy Chavez, relief pitcher Aaron Heilman and first base prospect Mike Carp. The Indians would be giving up rightfielder Franklin Gutierrez.”
how funny would it be if ichiro was involved? lol
Joe Smith and Heilman for Putz major steal.
6 players for Putz though?
Most likely just going to have to wait until tomorrow to sort this thing out. I know there is no way the Mets are giving up 6 players for just Putz and Reed. There has to be more or LESS to this story.
John Heyman said it is a 12 player trade with 6 METS included. SNY then lost Audio signal
if 6 players mets beter get ichiro. and if we do who leads off Ichiro or Reyes
anytime metsflip anytime metsflip
we know four players so far… probably two more lesser prospects
I will miss Joe Smith if he’s gone.
COULD U IMAGINE PUTZ AND KROD!!!!?!?!?!?!?! AHHHHHH IM SOOO EXCITED!!!!! THIS BETTER HAPPEN
hey guys i just threw out the idea of ichiro…. just a huge met fan dreaming. haha
Come on Matt, use some connections here. Help us out. LOL.
Who knows who is in this deal.
Maybe the Mets get Putz, Washburn, Betancourt and Reed for
Heilman, Smith, Endy, Carp and 2 A ball players? Again, who
Any chance we get Josh Barfield in this deal?
we could replace smith with bradford if tampa still wants to dump his salary
If we’re trading Smith, Heilman, Carp, Endy and 2 other players, we should be getting more than just Putz
wow that would be a great move although i hate the thought of giving up Endy, but for Putz you have to part ways
Usually when people think of 12 player trades, they usually fall through. I hope I’m wrong.
Agreed Sylar
this might not happen. too many players in a deal rarely get done..
any chance of bedard in this deal????
Jeez, 6 players. As long as the other 2 are lesser prospects I’d be happy with it though…I’d miss Joe Smith, but Putz is clearly more of a proven commodity.
On a completely separate note: Is Duaner Sanchez damaged goods at this point? Any realistic chance in him returning to his 2006 form?
This is now bordering on Willy Wonka territory.
Awesome if it happens, but will be a major mental letdown if it doesn’t.
12 players??? Sounds a bit wild.
Maybe the Mets end up unloading Castillo in this thing?
Maybe the 6 players mean minor prospects… that my take on it…
whoa what? this has to be the most confusing rumor i have ever heard lol it changes every five minutes…
The 6th? Johan….but hey, we’ll get Putz……
damn ima miss endy =(..1 of the best arms in baseball hands down..if he new how 2 hit he culd be 1 of the best fielders ever but i guess putz is great…cmon omar i no u got this lets get this done! lets go mets 2009!!! K ROD!!!!!!!!!!
joe smith we hardly knew ya ariverderci heilman!! ados endy u will be missed
This is rapidly degenerating into a Suns/Clippers/Mavericks deal.
Ok since this is a 12 player trade…
Mets: Joe Smith, Aaron Heilman, Mike Carp, Endy Chavez, 2 other players
Indians: Franklin Guttierez
Mariners: J.J. Putz, Jeremy Reed, Luis Valbuena
That’s ten… the question is, who are the other two?
Come on, seriously. Is there anyone out there who actually things the Mets are going to trade 6 players for basically Putz? It’s not happening that way. Those type of trades never happen. 1 player is rarely worth 6 players even if they are not great.
I’m beginning to hate SNY Half the show is about the YANKEES!!
How can you trade Joe Smith??? Get rid of Heilman, get rid of Schoeneweis….BOTH THOSE GUYS ARE GARBAGE AND A WASTE OF PAYROLL.
Joe Smith is more reliable than anyone in that bullpen this last year. Yeah I agree that Putz is good but not for giving up young talent and Endy.
BAD IDEA TO TRADE SMITH AND CHAVEZ for one guy.
i hope this isnt another a’s mets twins trade with santana and crosby coming to the mets, like last season
It doesn’t sound like Chavez is in this trade.
I hope one of the mystery players is Kelly Shoppach heading to the Mets.
Maybe Stoppach is in the deal? Who knows at this point? But if Heyman is correct and it’s 12 players then most likely at least 1 more decent player would be coming the Mets way besides Putz and Reed.
Ooops i meant to say Heilman, Endy, Smith and two other minor prospects… my bad…
6 players for 1? we better be getting at least 2 really good or 1 really good and 2 mediocre lol
12 player deal? The Mets better get more than Putz for 6 players being traded.
I’m fine with trading all of those guys with the exception of Joe Smith…
Please Omar, get this thing done without including Joe.
Next up, Huston Street for the 7th inning. :)
Deranged you beat me to it.
notice how i put “Heilman” first
:)
I heard we were supposed to get Jeremy reed as well.
Why do you care so much about Joe ROOGY Smith. Nice guy but he’s just a ROOGY.
Matty, Indians signed Kerry Wood.
“…hickey points out that the Indians are in the market for a closer, which now has me worried, in that i hope putz doesn’t end up in Cleveland a closer when all is said and done…”
So the Indians signed Wood to be an 8th-inning guy? Not likely.
This wont go through. These types of trades fall through. Also, Putz is worth a lot..I cant believe all we have to give up is Smith and Heilman.
IF we do get Putz…..Our bullpen would be off the hook.
Gina- most likely, Joe Smith could not have saved your puppy from the burning building, in fact he would have blown the save by being unable to get out the left side of the building.
What are the odds of this thing happening.
It went from hard working, to close done, back to working, and now rumors of a 12 player deal.
I don’t know something doesn’t seem right with this.
Latest from heyman off of mlbtr:
LAS VEGAS — The Mets, Indians and Mariners are discussing a 12-player trade in which Seattle reliever J.J. Putz would go to the Mets. In the deal being discussed, the Mets would surrender six players, including outfielder Endy Chavez, relief pitcher Aaron Heilman and first base prospect Mike Carp. The Indians would be giving up rightfielder Franklin Gutierrez.
Putz was an All-Star in 2007 when he went 6-1 with 40 saves and a 1.38 ERA, but he struggled badly at times in 2008, finishing with 15 saves and a 3.88 ERA. The Mets signed Francisco Rodriguez this week to be their new closer, and Putz could be used as a set-up man.
have to be getting more than just putz, it would have to be another outfielder, and i’m guessing another reliever to fill in for heilman and smtih
that new Seattle article linked here says the Indians will wind up with Putz, then a few paragraphs later says the Mets will wind up with Putz. Fun times these.
i guess kerry wood is gonna be a starter again…
in addition to putz we get jeremy reed and reliever sean greene
The Star-Ledger’s Dan Graziano is confident that Aaron Heilman would go to the Indians in a three-team J.J. Putz deal.
Graziano isn’t sure whether Joe Smith is involved, but he does believe it’s Heilman to Cleveland and Franklin Gutierrez to Seattle as the biggest pieces in the trade sending J.J. Putz to the Mets.
Source: Newark Star-Ledger
Way late news on that one..
I still think that if the Mets are giving up 6 then they will get at least 3 in return. The question is who are the other 2 the Mets might give up and who is the other player making it worth giving up 6?
Im not going to bed tonight, until this happens or falls through
Matt, indians signed kerry wood why would putz be going to the indians and why would we be giving up 6 players for jeremy reed and prospects? i think you need some serious rest when these meetings officially end.
Ken Rosenthal —–
Under terms of the deal, the Mets would get Putz, outfielder Jeremy Reed and reliever Sean Green. The Mariners would receive reliever Aaron Heilman, outfielder Endy Chavez and first baseman Mike Carp from the Mets. They’d also get Franklin Gutierrez from the Indians and minor leaguers. The Indians would get reliever Joe Smith from the Mets and infielder Luis Valbuena from Seattle.
Do we really want to give up 6 guys for him?
sean green jeremy reed and putz for 6 players?
really?
If we get this deal done, then all we need is the Street thing to actually happen and then try for CJ Wilson. Eh? Eh?
SovereignRonnie
Well played!
This is great….I cant go to sleep i have to be at work at 4am and I cant go to sleep.
OOH, Kelly Shoppach and Putz would be INCREDIBLE.
This is starting to sound like the NBA trade from February. That one included ANOTHER Joe Smith and ANOTHER Cleveland team.
Sean Green- not to be confused with Shawn Green who played in the outfield for the Mets
ERA HLD SO WHIP
4.67 17 62 1.47
He’s not that good, basically a throw in.
Hey that new post that Matt just put, is that the final deal? I’m confused here..
wait why would the indians be in the market for a closer if they signed kerry wood?
Wasn’t Reed a can’t miss prospect no fewer than like 2 years ago? Does anyone know what happened? Kingman, I’m looking at you… :)
Busy all day, This is the first I’ve heard/seen
this. Is it true? If so, WOW!
This is maddening…the Seattle PI actually says both “The Indians, looking for a closer, would probably wind up with Putz” AND “The Mets would wind up with Putz” IN THE SAME ARTICLE!
OK so right now according to never right Rosenthal
It’s Mets trade Heilman, Smith, Endy, Carp
Get Putz, Reed and Green?
That’s still only 4 players from the Mets and 9 total. It’s supposed to be 6 in a 12 player trade.
This is VERY exciting…
AWESOME deal…
That deal makes up so many wholes…
Just get some SPs and we have a team…
Something sounds fishy here. I think Omar and some other GM’s are drunk at the hotel bar playing tricks on reporters.
b/t/w, to answer your Q?-stillbelieve:
Because they signed Kerry(15trips to the DL
Wood).
And the Green part makes no sense as he is basically Aaron Heilman.
The Mariners lose Putz but they are getting a crap load in return. IMO the Indians are being shafted.
So we get Putz (great bullpen guy, future closer?)
Jeremy Reed- Average outfielder who is a replacement for Chavez
Sean Green- reliever who did well in the first half than after the all-star break had an era over 8. I’m a little concerned about that.
I wonder what compelled the Mets to ask for (Or the Mariners to offer) Sean Green over any other throw-in…
Putz is a clear upgrade over Smith, Heilman was done as a Met anyway, Carp is destined to be a DH….that leaves Endy…good ol’ Endy. Jeremy Reed surely can’t replace him….
So it looks like the Mets aren’t giving up 6 players…
Smith, Heilman, Carp, and Endy for Putz, Green and Reed is an excellent deal imo..
The Indians look like they’re getting completely hosed though..
Some of the splits on Green are truly awful…6.68 ERA vs. lefties; 8.65 ERA in the second half…6.32 ERA away from Safeco…
My bet is he’s the most hated Met within 3 months…someone’s got to fill the Heilman void…
Why would Putz be the future closer? He’s older than K-rod.
I’m not sure how I feel like this. I’m glad we got Putz but that seems like a lot to give up. Although I still think all the love for Joe Smith is crazy.
Also thats only 4 players, does anyone know who the other 2 are?
maybe flip putz for ankiel?
Does this mean we could have both Putz and Kunz on the same team???
although why would the Indians do this??? something doesnt seem right
all the indians get is Joe Smith and a minor leaguer???
SovereignRonnie:
Reed was the minor league player of the year in 2003 … not sure what happened. He had injury problems in 2006.
Tidewater
never let them sit alone together or else we’ll have to expand the roster.
I don’t understand why the Indians are involved at all.
This really could’ve been Heilman, Carp, Smith, for Putz, Reed, Green.
The Indians were shafted.
there not giving up much
If this is the trade as reported, it is a steal. To get a closer type for the 8th is fantastic and this guy is better than Fuentes IMO. I don’t understand this fascination with Joe Smith. He is a righty specialist who really can’t get guys out unless he’s perfect with his slider, which he wasn’t much of last year. He’s really a dime a dozen middle innings guy. Kunz, Parnell and Stokes are all on board. Now we just get rid of Schoenweis and Castillo and I’ll be in heaven.
sny? really cc? yankees? burnett? come on now
I’m loving this except for one thing -> Endy.
We need him for defense late in games when its tied or real close!!!
No Putz is a closer, and here he will become a dominate setupman. No flipping of him at all…he is here to lock down the eighth inning
i really am gonna miss endy and joe, but heilman and carp can leave… why not just throw in castillo while their at it huh?
this deal would pretty much fix the bullpen for good, though i dont know who good this green guy is… anyone know?
No matter what/who I read this 12 player deal is missing 2. I can only identify 10.
Someone take pity on me please and give me the cliff notes on this. Head is pounding (power outage last night, ran into a door frame looking for a flashlight, knocked myself out, 2 inch gash on my forehead that took too many stitches to count to close).
On some good drugs but downside is I can’t keep up with this one….
The Mariners will get Aaron Heilman, OF Endy Chavez, 1B Mike Carp and OF Franklin Gutierrez, plus minor leaguers from the Indians…
That’s not bad for the Mariners.
Looking at Green’s splits, they are very odd. He just fell completely apart in August and September this past season. So I guess he would fit right in, LOL.
The guy had 3 games in August/September that really inflated his ERA. Coming in to August 21 his ERA was 3.09. His splits for his career show at least that he is not a ROOGY.
What kind of secrecy do these teams have that about 8 different journalists are reporting this deal. Talk about leaks.
These big deals do not get done once word leaks out. Watch Cleveland back out of this thing
we probably had to take green off the m’s hands
i really hate giving up smith but putz is lights out and is gunna be awesome in the national league
if i was cleveland i would
Sean Green
29 years old
ERA HLD SO WHIP
4.67 17 62 1.47
Had an era over 8 after the all star break.
Matt,
That Heyman report was on tape from 10:00PM when SNY lost the audio in the middle of his report.
this trade is not happening as reported. indians would trade gutierrez and minor leaguers for Joe Smith and Luis whatever??
And if this trade does go through, we don’t have much left to trade for a SP. Gonna have to sign at least one of the FAs…..
if this does not happen, i would b very disappointed. though all web sites including espn/mlb usually does not post something that isnt accurate
Green is probably a head case. Get rid of one nutjob, and take on another.
I know its not nice to bash, but either he was injured, or broke down mentally because after the all star break he just gave up.
John Heyman is the best…
the indians gotta get more
STARTER! The roller coaster ride that is Ollie Perez will continue, write it down. Please sign Wolfe over this headcase.
I’m seriously asking – this is a lot of guys to give up, is it really worth it?
im hoping castillo is involved in this just for the fact that then we can move murphy to second and bring in manny and another starting pitcher…anyone think that this is what omar could be thinking?
The Indians aren’t giving much up either.
I don’t hate this deal, but how is it a coup? We’re giving up alot.
Trading Chavez makes the Pierre rumors make more sense…if you could combine a Pierre-Castillo flip with this, then sign Hudson…well now you are talking.
Green grew up in east Louisville, Kentucky, in the Fincastle community, where he honed his baseball skills playing “Tennie Ball” (baseball on concrete with a tennis ball and softball bat) on the neighborhood streets with his older brother Matthew and all the neighborhood kids.
Following his senior season at Louisville Male High School, Sean was selected by Toronto Blue Jays in 32nd round (959th overall) of the 1997 Major League Baseball Draft, but elected to attend the University of Louisville instead. He played baseball for the Louisville Cardinals from 1998 to 2000. He was drafted in the 12th round of the 2000 Major League Baseball Draft by the Colorado Rockies after his junior season at Louisville.
After spending his first professional season with the Portland Rockies of the Northwest League, the right-hander moved up the organizational ladder, pitching for the Asheville Tourists in the South Atlantic League in 2001, Salem in the Carolina League in 2002, and California League’s Visalia Oaks before jumping to the Double-A Tulsa Drillers in 2004 where he was 4-3 with a 3.03 ERA.
In an off-season trade, the Mariners acquired Green from the Rockies for pitcher Aaron Taylor, and Green flourished in the Mariners farm system, logging a Texas League-high 14 saves and posting a 2.96 ERA for the San Antonio Missions in 2005 before being promoted to the Triple-A Tacoma Rainiers.
He completed the 2005 season in Tacoma and pitched in seven spring training games with the big league squad in Arizona before opening 2006 back in Tacoma. His spring training performance and 4-0 record and 1.38 ERA as the Raniers’ closer caught the eye of Mariners manager Mike Hargrove.
Green made it to the big leagues when the Seattle Mariners called him up on April 29, 2006, to replace reliever Julio Mateo. When Mateo was activated on May 20, it was thought that Green would return to Triple-A Tacoma, but the Mariners opted to instead send down pitcher Emiliano Fruto. He made his first Major League appearance on May 2 against the Minnesota Twins.
In 2008, Green dominated before the All-Star break with a 2.72 ERA, but after the All-Star break, Green had a 8.65 ERA.
Bucknerfa: they’re reporting Omar’s preferred list in order for SP is Lowe, then Perez, then Wolfe…..
I still say it would be
M’s get: Gutiewhatever, Endy, Carp and other prospects from Indians.
Mets get: Putz, Reed and Green
Indians get: Heilman, Smith and Valwhatever.
This is still in the works, so nothing is final.
I’m excited though, and I will be until I read it failed because they could not work it out. :(
Heyman says Perez, Wolfe, then Garland in that order Lowe will be either a Yankee of Phillie and not that I want Pierre but Dodgers cant move him til they know what happens with Manny
this would be such a great trade for the mets joe smith is good and i love endy and it hurts to let him gooo but honestly get putz that solidfies the bullpen and putz to krod is best 1 2 punch in the game IMO and now we can focus on a starter
OMAR Please get this trade done!!!!!!!!!!
Many people are complaining about this deal-I dont get it. I mean Joe Smith was my favorite pitcher on the Mets hands down.
But last season our biggest weakness was our bullpen-duh. Now Omar is doing whatever he can to improve the bullpen for next year.
He signed the best closer available. He is now bringing in another awesome reliever to set up that closer and in the same deal is getting rid of our biggest weakness. Sometimes you need to make sacrifices to improve and thats what this deal entails.
I hope that once this deal gets finalized, we hear 3 more deals in the upcoming days.
I want Lowe and/or Oliver Perez. Then if we only get one I want Garland signed or we find some players left to trade for Andy Sonnestine. And then sign Raul Ibanez, Manny or Dunn to start in Left.
We can then try Castillo at 2nd or trade him and then get Hudson or Murphy to play there.
First lets get this deal done but hopefully there will be several more deals to come in the next few weeks!
Finish this trade for the super bullpen, then trade Delgaado for a SP, sign Tex, and call it an offseason.
(sigh, yeah, never going to happen)
Heilman for Putz…..
So we trade one Putz for the other…..meh-meh-meh
I still don’t see us involved on Pierre. Why would we trade for Pierre’s huge contract to be a backup IF. If we get Reed and have Pagan one of them will be just fine in the Endy role.
I dont think this trade is gonna pull through…
And I love how everyone is saying “Omar get this done” when you have the Mariners GM and the Indians GM lol
WHY ARE WE GIVING UP 100x MORE THAN EVERYONE ELSE!
we are giving up alot…pleaseeee…. heilman…who everyone wants shot… chavez.. a bench player who made one catch… smith… nice roogy….but def replaceable… and we get a dominate setup guy with closer experience…
probably the best 8/9th inning duo in baseball…. this is a no brainer… too good to be true if you ask me…
Come on Omar, get this deal done, and then sign some free agent pitchers.
i am calling it now that the mets will get manny ramirez.
Maineiac
of course the Mariners sent down Fruto instead of Green, they wanted to keep Fruto away from Putz.
Heyman’s on WFAN at 11:05
beisl2005
Giving up this many players tells you what they are worth to other organizations
Guys I really think that Omar is trying to get rid of the specialist idea in our pen.
I would love a pen of
Krod
Putz
Guardado
Stokes
Parnell
and who ever.
Bucknerfan: O.K., thanks for the correction. See my earlier post. I’m not operating on all cylinders tonight and just trying to keep up with this….
Ha Ha Metsflip… ok is this better?
Indians and Mariners GM’s included, please get this deal done!
this would be an absolute steal for the Mets but i dont see it happening as reported b/c the tribe are getting ripped off majorly
step 1. get this deal done
step 2. sign manny
step 3. try to resign oli
oleosmurf I’m thinking that also. The Indians aren’t getting much in return, but they also aren’t giving that much to begin with.
trs86
I like your proposed specialist-free bullpen, but currently the Mets still have uber specialists Schoeneweis and Feliciano.
And I would have rather seen them give up Schoe instead of Smith.
Mets are trading Joe Smith for Franklin Gutierrez first. Then trading Gutierrez along with Endy, Heilman, and Carp to Seattle for Putz.
Giving up 100X more? We are giving up
Heilman: Done here
Smith: ROOGY
Endy: 1 inning man that is very rarely used as a pinch hitter so really a 1/2 inning man.
Carp: Another in the list of 3 guys who all are bad on defense and can’t find a spot to play. The least ready of the 3.
I’ll miss Joe Smith for about 5 minutes
i dont see wat ur proposing Maineiac lol
are reed and green still involved?
Cant control Cleve or Ms but OMAR better not be the one to back outta this thing, still think too many players too may sources, Cleve will back out.
Bucknerfan
I know what youre saying but i just think we are giving up all major league talent for one guy that has major league talent n 2 guys that struggle in the minors…i mean i wouldnt be made if it went through how it is posted…i just wish we got to keep joe smith as much as i’ll miss endy and getting to see carp play
I’m not sure if it’s a deal-breaker or not, but I don’t like the idea of giving up Joe Smith and the rest of the players besides Putz sound like dead weight. Jeremy Reed and Sean Green – frankly I’d rather have the other Shawn Green. Between Putz and Smith, I haven’t a clue, except that Putz is a more experienced player, is a closer and has more of that mentality. In Smith’s favor, he’s still young and has some upside, is cheaper and under our control for longer and then, we give up Carp, who is a chip. As long as we go after some more quality relievers to take Smith’s spot, for example, I don’t mind, since we’d be getting something back for Heilman. I still desperately want Joe Beimel and to get rid of Shoeneweis also.
yankees upped there offer to pavano…opps I mean Burnett to 91mm
krazyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
i really dont want to seee teixeria in the division, especially on the nats
One of your comments you said that fans were not wanting the Indians and Mariners GM to get this deal done along with Omar. And I was at fault for only wanting Omar to get this deal done.
I wish we had a quote button. It would make it so much easier. Also the option to edit our posts would be nice.
Stokes
Feliciano
Bradford
Sanchez
Guardado/Cordero/Rauch
Putz
K-Rod
now that is an amazing bullpen
Cver, Joe Smith will NEVER be a closer. Joe Smith is not even an 8th inning set up reliever. Smith is and always will be just a ROOGY.
Sheeesh.
I feel like I can’t sleep till i get some more info
I like Endy and Smith but the key is a dominant 8th & 9th no ones knows how anyone will perform injuries etc but just on recent past Putz vs a great 4th outfielder and young guy with limited upside is a no brainer. OMAR please get this done and move off that head case OPIE!!!!
Heman is on WFAN in 2 minutes
ughh..enough of the sabathia stuff..its every sports channel
you guys have to read how the mets/m’s/rays had a 3 way deal that fell apart and that is how the indians got involved
anyone know what number krod is gunna wear.. unless johan gives it up
I don’t like giving up Smith….man I don’t wanna give him up. Could we atleast get someone more useful than Jeremy Reed back? I guess Ben Francisco would be too much…
mariners/tigers/rays sorry
One thing that intrigues me is that Putz agent was ask about if Putz would like being a setup man and he said no. I wonder if this would be a problem? It’s not like he would have much of a choice.
75
I don’t know, you guys are getting too excited.
Check out Putz’s stats. He had 2 very good to great yrs and nothing else. Guy didn’t come up till he was 26 and will be 32 next year. No playoff experience and he got lit up in his 1 All-star game. And hes coming off an injury and off year.
Now he comes to NY and MUCH more pressure than Seattle.
Buyer, BEWARE!
re: K-Rod’s #
I’ve seen various reports. Mostly 17 or 75, mostly.
I wanted Sabathia to sign with the Angels. That way we don’t get the backlash of Yankee fans with their prized possession.
But my dad did tell me that the Red Sox cream Sabathia, so that makes me happy. No offense CC but once your a Yankee, you are officially on my bad list.
Heyman on the FAN right now.
rigsay, welcome back. How’s the celebratin’ goin’?
number 75
just a lil FYI
Sean Green was VERY good against Righties last year, 233 avg and 282 slg, but over his last 3 years, 272 avg and 352 slg
so i guess, yeah, he’s a ROOGY to an extent…
Can’t we just make a deal for Matt Capps. I think he could be a bettter option and it wouldnt take much more than Heilman. I’m a little skeptic on putz and we’d be giving up Smith, who is awesome.
The Phillies are close to signing free agent Chan Ho Park, according to Yahoo! Sports.
Park did well when he was given a chance to start last season, and the Phillies could try to sell him as a rotation alternative. Still, putting him back into a park that punishes flyball pitchers probably won’t work especially well. At least it should only be a one-year deal, maybe in the $2 million-$3 million range.
Source: Yahoo! Sports
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Heyman hasnt heard smith in the deal
idk about anybody else but i think 2nd base still needs to be fixed..castilo is pretty much physically unable to contribute
Heyman says all he knows is that they are working on the deal. He doesn’t think it’ll happen before 11 pm (Vegas time).
Heyman has not heard that Smith is in the deal. but that he wouldn’t let Smith hold up such a trade.
He says 6 players will leave the Mets (??????). He didn’t name them all, just Heilman, Chavez and Carp. Hmmm.
Why does Heyman get revered????….he truly never breaks a story and doesn’t know anything……it’s a disaster
If he says 6 players but only names Heilman, Carp and Endy that makes no sense at all.
His past track records is supposed to be good. I dunno.
the deal is done got to mlb.com a league official confirmed it as done
MLB.com is reporting the deal is done
mets.com has said it is done too…OHHHHH BABY
Heyman has also confirmed that the Yankees are buying everyone forever.
Heyman does a great job, he probably has not slept in three days though. This has too many moving parts I doubt it gets done I calling it a nite and will dream about a servicable bullpen…. and then about some honey…. not necessarily in that order.
Heyman must be hanging out at the blackjack table.
Mets.com says it’s done.
heyman also says randy wolfe is high on the mets list…why would the mets want him?
From Rosenthal
-If the trade is completed, one problem for the Mets could be that Putz wants to remain a closer. Asked earlier in the day if Putz would embrace a setup role for another team, his agent Craig Landis said “no.”
way to go omar… next up SP………
NOW GO GET MANNY!!!!
Aaron who?
done in a good way or done like fell through?
Just because Heyman is out in Vegas and has a few BS sources doesn’t mean he is good……he was nowhere near this story….nowhere near the CC story……but thank god he reported that hank steinbrenner wants manny ramirez…..
but for the mets, what a great trade……..lets go get sheets on the cheap now
“The Seattle Mariners sent right-handed reliever J.J. Putz to the New York Mets on Wednesday night as part of a three-team, nine-player trade with the Cleveland Indians.
The blockbuster deal, which is the first for Mariners general manager Jack Zduriencik, was confirmed on Wednesday night by a Major League official.
The Mariners receive right-handed pitcher Aaron Heilman, outfielder Endy Chavez and first baseman Mike Carp from the Mets, along with outfielder Franklin Gutierrez from the Indians.
Putz, who has been involved in trade rumors for several weeks, becomes the eighth-inning setup man for new Mets closer Frankie Rodriguez. Second baseman Luis Valbuena will go the Indians, who also get right-handed pitcher Joe Smith from the Mets in the deal.
Mariners right-handed reliever Sean Green and center fielder Jeremy Reed also are going to the Mets in the trade.”
Great job Heyman!
So now we have in our bullpen:
K-Rod
Putz
Schoenweiss
Sanchez
Feliciano
Green
Oh wow, this really is so exciting…
The only thing is that I’m concerned about Putz’s elbow, besides that, holy god what a potential 8th and 9th inning we’ll have. And we get rid of that ERIN character! Haha, but seriously though, I do feel sad letting Joe Smith go, he’ll probably come back to kill us in interleague play with the Indians one day, lol. I love this deal, so exciting. I love that the Mets are so active.
Another suggestion is to def. getting Chad Cordero, yeah he’s coming off extensive surgery but he could possibly be a CHEAP risk.
manny anyone?
Mets get Putz, Green, Reed
M’s get Aaron Heilman, outfielder Endy Chavez and first baseman Mike Carp from the Mets, along with outfielder Franklin Gutierrez from the Indians.
Tribe gets Smith and Luis Valbuena
NY Daily News website has the deal done!
espnnews is having a report coming up
Putz will get in line…he’s with a winner now.
WOW, sooooo happy………just brilliant
now the starters go 7 and its turn out the lights the parties over
Rodriguez and Putz…….insane
I am cool with Lowe and Reed too
I mean breaking to down this is fantastic
Smith- sorry to see him go but its JJ Putz
Heilman- was going anyways best of luck
Chavez- thanks for the catch but Reed is ok
Carp- not the best prospect, others ahead
just brilliant
So we traded an unhappy guy (Heilman) for a now unhappy guy (Putz) all because they can’t play what they want to.
Ugh, just pick up the ball, throw strikes, get outs, and you’ll have the city on its feet. If not, you’re outta here!
DONE DEALLLLLLLLLL
WOW!-Long and Loud critic of Omar BUT
This is an absolute STEAL!
Now go sign Guardado
Krod
Putz
Guardado
Stokes
Feliciano/Show
Green
Sanchez
i want manny/krod 4 christmas
im glad someone thinks like me and thinks they should go after manny right away
A nice way to finalize this deal would be to send Luis Castillo to the Burlington Bees.
this does free up some more salary cap…u think the mets will think about manny at all seriously
of all the reliever from last year or years before, Joe Smith was probably the only one I’m hesitant on giving up hope. o well, a major overhaul is long due.
Way to go Omar. The 8th and 9th inning will now be totally nasty!
So far Omar is the GM “M.V.P”. This deal is a steal. That the way to put those hater to rest Omar. Good job. I have a feeling more öutside the box “”moves are coming. Where is that confidence rating Matt?
Any Washington Mets fans on here?
What can you tell us about Putz’s injuries last season? Dude was absolutely dominant in 2007, but as someone else previously mentioned, he’s had 2 very good years and nothing else.
LOVE the trade. GUT that awful bullpen. All hail Omar.
For what it’s worth, I think it’s quite odd that folks are quoting Heyman, including the WFAN update guy, in regard to this trade and are mentioning Smith and Heyman never heard of it. Did he say 6 Mets??? That sounds really mysterious.
if you sign manny right away i will not complain once on how much we will spend for tickets in return that i have never seen manny ramirez play before and it would be great to see him all time in a mets uniform i want manny for christmas and if we get him i can careless about castillo anymore manny makes everythn better
How does this look finacially?
I want Manny too. Let’s go! Not more than 3 years though. I’d go for 2
Stark says the Mets are far from done
I’m relieved to have read that there is nothing structurally wrong with JJ’s elbow, and he did not need surgery.
jayson stark from espn didnt mention chavez, or reed and green or carp
Now sign Hudson and make Castillo 3rd base coach
Omar just gave us the best 8th and 9th inning combo. So far, I’m really digging the addition by subtraction theory.
i am telling you..mets are gonna go after manny…and gonna sign him…this guy loves the spotlight what bigger spotlight to put him under than that of new york city in the first year of citi field…go get him omar
wolfe on the radar?? anyone else not happy with that?
wolfe on the radar?? anyone else not happy with that?
From looking at it all the guys the Mets traded add up to about what Putz will make this year after arbitration for all the Mets players besides Endy. So no money flexibility there.
damn, i’m really really gonna miss not hearing En-Dy Cha-vez out in right field.
still, i gotta say, after watching Putz videos, i think his stuff is better than even K-Rod, not that he is better, but the stuff is mind boggling
This deal isn’t done according to Stark?
Odd.
I don’t get why we would trade for J.J. Putz…. I mean hasn’t he openly said he doesn’t want to be a set up man? I am pretty sure I read something to that extent somewhere.
I am not saying I wouldn’t love ot have him ( or if the reports are true have him already) but if he is gonna be trouble because he wants to close games not set up for a closer then why bother?
LET’S GO BABY! I AM SO EXCITED CAN’T WAIT UNTIL OCTOBER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
stark also didnt mention chavez or carp
Addition by subtraction baby. The Mets really gave up nothing but spare parts and totally remade their pen.
Reed, I don’t get the need for. I would have rather have had a prospect instead of him. But beggers can’t be choosers.
I need to go to bed but I really want to here what Omar has to say.
Awesome deal.
Guys thats $5 million for a setup man. I wonder if the Mets turn around and deal him for Street and Barmes or a similar trade. Hate to see Joey Smith go but I’ll deal with it. If Omar is working magic like this, maybe Castillo finds his way out after all?
WHERE ARE ALL THE OMAR HATERS NOW!!!
So, um, all the folks trashing on Omar and the Mets for not getting anything done this season, what’s up?
Oh, wait, that was just mostly mistermet or whatever his screen name is. He whined so often, it felt like it was several people.
i’m not sure how to feel about this one. Weirdest deal i have seen in my life as a Mets fan
For those interested in how Putz turned the corner entering 2006:
“All through the minors, Putz had been able to throw an excellent fastball that topped out at 97 miles per hour, but had been only marginally successful due to the fact that his only other pitch was a below average slider. His first few years in the majors were not terrible, but they were also nothing special. In spring training before the 2006 season, Eddie Guardado, who had been the Mariners’ closer since 2004, taught him to throw a splitter. After mastering the new secondary pitch, Putz abandoned his slider and became a much improved pitcher”
…he also comes out to AC/DC’s thunderstruck :)
Lets just wait for sure until Omar speaks to find out actually who is in this thing. Man it happen quick. These are the type of deals you have to love Omar for.
Heilman is finally out of NY!!! be right back, I’m going streaking up through the quad to the gym!
I’m hoping this deal isn’t even correct, and we got someone even better.
So as of now the pen has
Rodriguez
Putz
Feliciano
Green
Sanchez
Schoenweiss
Kunz
Stokes
I think they move out Sanchez and Schoenweiss to save some cash and get another lefty in there
very nice moves
In essence
Pen loses Heilman and Smith and gets Putz and Green………..K-Rod in for Wagner…………..
no pt to bring back Scho and Sanchez but other teams will see value in them……………
There is no way this deal happened without knowledge of Putz’s medical status, as well as his willingness to be a set up man. I mean c’mon, people think Omar is stupid, he pulls off something like this, instantly giving us one of the best 8th-9th combos in the game, and people still want to rip on him. GIVE IT A REST. Omar just gave us exactly what everyone has been asking for.
LOL, then the Mets trade Putz to the Rockies for Corpas and Street. That would be wild.
I’d change Kunz into Parnell…Kunz isn’t ready.
You are not sure how you feel about this deal? Please check Mr. Putz’s stats from 2007 and then look at who we gave up. Gimme a break, this is an absolute steal. This goes on Omar’s positive side along with the Maine and Perez deals. This gives the Mets one of the top pens in the league.
is sny gunna cover omar interview?
is there anywhere to watch the press conference or whatever it is online?
Gravedigger,
Thanks. What celebratin?
Is SNY going to carry the feed of Minaya addressing reporters? WFAN?
It is kind of funny to think that Omar would not have spoken some how with Putz or his agent before pulling the trigger.
Well I’m a fan of this. The parts we gave up are all replaceable either on the open market or from within. It’s also good to get some new faces onto this roster. Endy and Smith weren’t certainly prime culprits the last two years but they weren’t world beaters and Heilman honestly was never going to be able to pitch at Shea again. If Putz can be half the pitcher he was in 2007, he’s better than any set-up man on the market right now and who says the Mets still won’t go out and sign a Juan Cruz or a Brandon Lyon?
not sure how to feel? are Met fans idiots? Feel good, who did we give up that helped us this past year? NO ONE!!!!
i say we give duaner another shot. he’s another year removed from surgery and he was good before.
if we got cordero, duaner, putz and krod working on all cylinders, wow!
just need some lefty action NOT schoe.
omar is now my hero for gettin rid of heilman
had to do it. fair trade for both the mets and mariners. slight edge to mets as putz is the best player in the deal though he makes more money than all the other combined ($5, in 09 and $8m+ 2010)
k-rod
putz
feliciano
green
schoeneweis
parnell
stokes
not bad. there will definately be another deal. davidoff said schoeneweis won’t throw another pitch for the mets.
omar…great job. now get back to work :)
My question to all is this: Do we think Omar will sit on Putz and use him as our 8th inning set up guy? From what I’ve heard, Putz doesn’t want to be a set up guy. That being said, will Putz be turned around and traded to a team like, Colorado?
I like the trade. Sad to see Joe go, I like his stuff and he’s going to do well. But I love the idea of Putz/K-Rod…
does anybody know where we can see omar address reporters??
Man I thought the Mets would get Street this week but hey this is just as good if not better. Omar has done a great job so far so FU to all the haters. He gets K-Rod for a great price and now gets JJ Putz. Give it up guys and gals. Omar is getting it done!!!!!!
well we have to see how Putz pitches before we can say whether its a great move or not but i’m very happy with this trade.
although if Putz bombs then what can we do…
If true, this is an excellent trade for Omar. As far as “Where are all the Omar haters now!!” and the like, don’t go there. He neglected our pen for the last two seasons, which was the main reason for our two collapses. He is correcting his mistakes now, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t deserve criticism the last two seasons.
Love it!! Keep Shakin Omar.
what i read is 9 but they keep saying maybe 12……….good god who else?
at this pt though its a steal………..the Omar haters have to give him his props now
@NickA33
Thanks for re-posting my buried question. Something just doesn’t sit with a $5 million closer who doesn’t want to set up. The Mets could use him to get a great setup man and maybe another important piece.
rigsay
I was remembering your screen name as belonging to a Phillies fan so you’d be celebrating a championship, but unless you’re being coy I’m wrong and I apologize for the mistaken identity. Perhaps I’m thinking of “guigsy?” Either way, I apologize for the a$$sumption.
although i wouldnt say green is now a lock for the bullpen.
id love to see the Mets now try to get bradford, maybe for schoeneweis straight up
if castillo is somehow in this deal which would make my night…then i would definately hope mets at least look into manny
So far, this offseason has been all-New York sports teams, all the time.
Sure, neither team made the playoffs last year, but boy do we know how to win an off season!
Hmmm….Putz is better than Smith, Green better than Heilman.
But Heilman and Smith have bigger upsides and Smith is much younger than all these guys.
If you go on the theory of relief pitchers being good one yr bad the next, Green should be due for a good year and Smith maybe bad?
my inborn met pessimism is struggling with this. on paper we have a completely DOMINANT back end of the bullpen. gotta say didnt think going into this winter id be able to say that.
No need for Bradford now. You replace two righties with two righties. Green is the ground-ball out reliever that replaces Joe Smith. If anything, go grab Beimel or Lyon.
Rejoice Met Fans!
Green is actually a good reliever, hardly ever gives up HRs, which is very nice, good situational guy, bring him in with men on base type. As for Putz, if you look at his season, he finished strong, good sign.
“But Heilman and Smith have bigger upsides and Smith is much younger than all these guys.”
Heilman has no upside with us. Green replaces Smith as the ROOGY (he had good numbers against righties, terrible against lefties. Got dead arm from pitching 56 innings in the first half). Putz replaces whatever garbage Jerry had to throw out there in the 8th.
think of the great headlines the NY papers can use now with a guy named PUTZ pitching in town.
oleosmirf
fair enough about the possibility of Putz bombing, but having seen him pitch many times, if he’s healthy we’ll be questioning why he’s not the closer because the dude is lights out nobody’s home. In ‘07 he was SO MUCH FUN to watch because he made All Stars look like little leaguers.
if omar can finish the job with the starting rotation and a little something, something for the line-up we will be singing
Oh come all ye faithful
Oh come all ye faithful, joyful and triumphant,
Oh come ye, oh come ye to Bethlehem.
Come and behold him, born the king of angels,
cho: Oh come let us adore him,
oh come let us adore him
I like big Putz and cannot lie…oh yeah
So…the Mets just acquired three english speaking white guys…
Not that it matters or anything, just interesting.
It’s even better now that I hear the Phillies are close to signing the Korean Adam Eaton – Chan Ho Park.
Ahahaha, good luck with that one.
not sure why I’m getting flamed for not knowing how to feel about this trade. We haven’t seen any results on the field yet, but i like the idea of getting rid of Heilman and getting Putz.
Ohman or Cordero are also possible great pickups.
there is possibly (no, there is definitely) no fan base that more understands what a putz is. ah, the comedy.
A 6-5 closer, a 6-6 middle reliever and another defensive outfielder that’s 3 years younger than Endy. Beautiful.
since putz comes into ac/dc’s thunderstruck, we could hav a great nickname for putz and krod.
thunder and lightning
“As for Putz, if you look at his season, he finished strong, good sign.”
True. He went on the DL on April 2nd with right torso inflammation, and then again in mid-June with a hyperextended right elbow. He returned in mid-July, and we can see the second half splits for how that turned out….
As for his late emergence, Wikipedia says that Guardado taught him a splitter before the 2006 season, and that seems to have changed his career…
K-Rod will wear #75 by the way.
Honestly, after this deal, I think Omar should just focus on unloading Castillo and Scho, while trying to find two reliable starters for the roation (one mid-rotation, one back-end). I’m perfectly content with a combination of guys like Parnell, Stokes, Duaner, Feliciano, Muniz fighting it out for the remaining bullpen spots. Sign a Punto type to play 2B. And see if a big fish like Manny falls into our laps. Say good-bye to Ollie and grab the picks.
@452
Ooh, I like it. Not as good as the possible Maine Street hand off, but good none the less.
NSR’s comment for the win! Nicely done.
I’ll miss Endy. His catch is still the wallpaper on my computer.
Pelfreycyyoung09 you are getting slammed because its a no-brainer trade. Of course no one has seen the results because the 09 season hasn’t started. But you are getting a lock down closer to pitched the 8th inning and you haven’t given up one significant piece in return. They already replaced Joe Smith and Endy with Reed and Greene. Heilman is replaced by Putz.
I mean its an absolute steal and if you are hesistant about this deal then you are someone who is going to question every deal they make. Even if you have questions about his health its still absolutely worth the risk. I just don’t get what the worry is about
M-A-N-N-Y!! M-A-N-N-Y!!
GregB — after next year your wallpaper can be KROD celebrating (a la Orosco style) after a huge Mets win in the post season, you know?
to krod09-
there are just so many possibilities, im so excited
beautiful. Where are the Omar haters now?!?!
Extend Omar again…now
None of the Mets problems the last 2 years have been his fault, and he consistently gets the best players available.
Pedro, Delgado, Beltran, Santana, K-Rod, Putz and locking down Wright/Reyes. The man is brilliant.
LETS GO METS!!
I really think Omar will now trade Castillo and Reed to Dodgers for Juan Pierre.
I hope Dunn is the guy we grab for left.
I dont know. Seems like the Mets gave up a lot to me. Green and Reed are horrible. Not that Chavez is anything special but I really liked Joe Smith and liked the idea of him being in that bullpen for a long time. Hopefully Parnell and Kunz become part of this bullpen sooner than later.
I dont see how Matt views this as brilliant. It’s great to have Putz now, but I wouldnt say it’s brilliant. Heilman, Carp and another prospect for any reliever seems much to me. Especially when you add that they then replace Smith and Chavez with Green and Reed.
But whatever we got Putz.
mr.gee21 – I’d make that trade too! LOL
The best part of this is the counterpart news of the Phils getting the one, the only…Chan Ho Park.
to krod09
Why Dunn!?!?!
Ugh. C’mon O! 12:30. I got school tomorrow -_-
Hmmm…Checking out Green’s splits over the last 2 seasons…
He pitched 53 innings in the first half last season…so it looks like dead arm in those nasty August and September numbers…
In 2007 his first half splits are also MUCH better, but that time he only had 32 innings in the first half….
For the money we would sign Manny as opposed to Dunn, I think we could get another really good piece. But hey, if we can get Manny on the cheap, go for it!
sny alert just announced that omar will anounce it at 12:30 et
Two things:
1) Does anyone know where to watch or listen to his announcement?
2) The beauty of this trade is that it allows us to revamp the bullpen without losing picks, through free agency. This will allow Omar to pursue an OFer with the cash we saved on k-rod, and didn’t spend on a setup man.
I’m very impressed thus far.
sny will cover conference
Great Job Omar…Now, go get Randy Wolf. He is BETTER than Oliver Perez..WAY BETTER. Try to sign D Lowe or Garland.
Niese is NOT ready!
Then, finalize this thing…trade Reed and Castillo to the Royals for Guillen. Then sign Hudson.
Omar, NO SLEEP FOR YOU!
SNY WILL COVER THE LIVE NEWS CONFERENCE AT 12:30
NYCESQ
SNY will have it live at 12:30, then more on the 1:00am Sports Nite per Kirk Gimenez of SNY.
that does make sense and i thought about that after..but i think mets would be able to sign manny to two years for a reasonable price..if not..flirt with it a little…if it gets to a point…then i might consider getting dunn..or someone i have liked since i watched him play against the mets…eric byrnes
SNY will have the Omar press conference and WFAN will broadcast it
NSR — I have to say it again: I am seriously loving that Thunder & Lightening combo.
Makes me very excited for our bullpen next year!
Thanks Gravedigger and NYsports!
If the Mets do actually move Castillo for Pierre, then Young may be the target, and not Hudson.
WFAN will cover the conference also
who and when do u guys think the next transaction will be?
can anyone else see the new signs saying “Putz it in the books!”. actually that would be more effective if he was the closer. but im sure he’ll get a couple of opportunities. so we can say it then.
YESSS. Thunder & Lightning to close out games for the New York Metropolitans. It doesnt get any better. (well actually manny would make it better.)
Mets also gave up Jason Vargas in the deal according to WFAN. HAHAHAHA. Wow forget it now I’m against it
we stole JJ…
Seattle Times says we traded three minor leaguers, right handed pitcher Maikel Cleto, outfielder Ezequiel Carrera and left handed pitcher Jason Vargas to the Mariners as well.
Schmooz just said that we gave up Jason Vargas, too to Seattle.
The Mets are giving up SEVEN players, says David Lennon. That’s quite a haul.
ENNNNNDDDDDYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WOW!!! Omar has done it again!
I think that the posters on this site who bash Omar all day need to come out of hiding and give this man the respect and apology he deserves.
That was freeekin highway robbery right there.
After Beltran, Oliver Perez, John Maine, Santana, K-rod, and now Putz…. how can you even question him?
This is shaping up to be a great offseason. A couple more arms and a bat and I’d be ecstatic.
I’ll take Sheets or Ollie. And sign one of Dunn, Bradley, Manny, Burrell, or Ibanez. Add some more AAA depth and call it a day.
OH, and ship out Castillo and Feliciano for spare parts.
Reyes, Murphy (2b), Wright, Dunn, Beltran, Delgado, Church, Schneider/Castro
Tatis, Reed, Castro, Pagan, Evans, A Reyes et al
Santana, Sheets, Pelf, Maine, Niese
Krod, Putz, Dirty, Muniz, Parnell, Kunz, + specialties L-Shoenweis , R-Sean Green + others
Now that’s a team I’d pay Citifield prices to go see.
Yeah, I like this across the board…I think Reed and Green have potential upside. Reed was a big-time prospect for them once – not anticipating stardom, but the guy can pick it in the OF and as much as we all love Endy, let’s face it: any prolonged exposure showed how flawed an offensive player he was.
As for Smith…again, really liked this kid, but sidearming righties don’t always have long shelf lives.
K-Rod and Putz gives this team a real shut-down tandem. We should really start talking to Beimel and get Shoeneweis and Feliciano out of here to complete the overhaul.
This is AMAZIN, OMAR is the bomb. Now all we need is get rid of Castillo, and sign Oliver Hudson. Then we can sign Ibanez, Manny, or Milton Bradley. Go METS Go OMAR!!!!!!!!!!
7 players? damnn
well Omar you’ve pretty much fixed the bullpen
now dont ruin your great offseason by giving out a bad contract to a mediocre starter.
if you cant get Sheets or Lowe just get someone for 1 year and we can live with it.
Then spend the leftover money on Manny!!
huh 3 more minor leaguers eh………meh………….I guess Seattle is going for quantity over quality………….holy crap 6 guys dealt,haha……..thats a shake up
$14.6 million over the next two years for a setup guy is a bit steep. of course, if krod gets hurt it will seem like a bargain.
I like this deal, but I would have liked it a lot more had they been able to part with someone besides Joe Smith.
14 mill for a great setup man/closer insurance
13 mill for schoe
hmmmmmmmmm
gregb
dont go jixing k-rod now..we just got him
Lets get Manny!
300th comment!
woah i was WAY OFF.
So if the new GM of the Phillies isn’t afraid of KROD, is he afraid of PUTZ and KROD back to back? Take that chumps
gregb
dont go jinxing k-rod now..season didnt even start yet..you ahould know this being a mets fan
Vargas is in this? I love it even more!
What’s the big deal with giving up Smith? You can’t get so attached to these players. He was a situational righty, and you are getting the same thing back in Sean Green.
should have just thrown shoewenweis in the deal for the hell of it.
we had to give up SOME talent in joe smith
cousinrk says:
December 10th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
lol i see. well, i think i was a bit skeptical at first because I’m an Endy Chavez fan, but i think we definitely got the best of this deal. Anyone think the Indians didn’t get much out of this?
scrap heap city!
“I like this deal, but I would have liked it a lot more had they been able to part with someone besides Joe Smith.”
You mean the only player in the deal with any real value right now? They needed at least one of those.
Complely phenomenal deal….Putz was hurt last year, but before that got better every year and was as good as any closer in the game in 2007…..we are possibly looking at having most games won with a lead after 7.
Omar bashers must now officially give him some respect, as this deal is brilliant, and did not only happen because of Freddy’s dough.
Thank you Omar. KRod and Putz as our 8th and 9th inning guys.
When do pitchers and catchers report??
This is a strange strange deal. The amount and variety of players is just astounding. And the time it must have taken to put something like this together.
So this is what Omar was spending all his time doing when it looked like he was up to nothing for two months…
Dial up the R*ays. Get Chad Bradford back. There’s your Joe Smith replacement
8TH AND 9TH INNING
CAN YOU SAY……. LOCKDOWN !
GOOOO METS !!!
This is a bid odd in that by trading Smith and Heilman this trade actually creates an additional hole in the bullpen rather than filling one. Its the start towards an improvement… But with two closers on the payroll, and Putz and Scho making good money how much more can they spend on relievers?
Nate — so you aren’t buying what Matt reported, that Omar threw all of this together pretty much this afternoon/evening?
This may be Matt’s longest post, ever.
Cleveland is a bit player in this. Frankly, looks like they did well to get Smith and this young 2B just for Gutierrez – who is a run of the mill 4th OF.
OMAR,
TAKE A FREAKIN BOW.
NOW GO GET MANNY.
Nate W. – Sean Green is an established ML reliever – so it’s two relievers in and two relievers out.
I hope this Sean Green’s hat can stay on!
Bye Endy :(
…
:)
@Nate W.
From what I gather this deal came together in the last day or two, after a 3 team deal with the Rays/Tigers/Mariners fell apart. The Rays then made a deal with the Tigers (Edwin Jackson for very good prospect) and the Mets & Indians jumped in to replace those 2 teams.
Man, I really liked Joe Smith and Endy. Plus, I thought Vargas were Carp were supposed to be good? Oh well. Whatever it takes, I guess. Hopefully Putz will be fully recovered.
Whoever insulted Jon Heyman owes him an apology
Thank you …Omar!!!!!
Endy, thanks for all you’ve done for us. I’ll miss you buddy.
anybody know if Reed can drag bunt?
Isnt Wagner possibly able to come back close to the end of the year (August-Sept?)
Putz to Wagner to K-Rod is pretty sweet
K-Rod
Putz
Parnell
Stokes
Duaner
Feliciano
Wise/whoever
According to Adam Rubin the Mets gave up Maikel Cleto and Ezequiel Carrera as well. Cleto is a 19 year old RHP and Carrera is a 20 year old Outfielder. Stats are pretty unremarkable. Both played in A-Ball.
Its like the Mets were cleaning out the garage and gave away a bunch of stuff they didn’t need
so how did this trade go from “The Mariners will get Aaron Heilman, OF Endy Chavez, 1B Mike Carp and OF Franklin Gutierrez, plus minor leaguers from the Indians.
to Maikel Cleto and Ezequiel Carera going from the Mets to the Mariners.
Not that those two are anything to think about, but those arent Indians prospects.
501 Deaner – Scho gets $3.6 mil in ‘09 – he signed a 3 year/$10.8 mil deal prior to ‘07.
I’m not saying i’m against it, just saying that $8.6 mil in ‘10 for a setup guy is alot.
My only concern is Putz’s agent saying he would not want to be a set-up guy, but honestly it’s not up to him. He’s under contract.
Vargas and Carp were on the 40-man roster btw – so let’s not look past the fact that he opened two additional spots with this deal. KRod takes one, but there’s a spot for another FA.
“His agent, Craig Landis, said Putz wants to remain a closer. He’s one of the top five or 10 closers in the game,” Landis said. “No, he would not want to be a set-up man.”
That can’t be good for business….
yeah, but i’ll take the payroll hit for a reliever who can actually, you know, get batters out
i hope they get rid of schoe
Probably because when they trade low level minor leaguers like that a lot of the time they don’t include them in the reports on tv. They aren’t well known names, so they just put in the names people might know for the most part.
omar only trades for white guys :)
is there any way they flip putz? he’s obviously a huge trade chip and if he really doesn’t want to setup, what do you do?
While perusing the Mets roster for that 40-man status check, I was reminded that Jon Neise was born 10/27/86.
Kid’s gonna be a star here.
Interesting also KROD’s contract is backloaded so he’s just making 8.6 mill this year and with Putz making 5 mill this year the two closers are only making 13.6 in total for this year giving them a little more flexibility to spend then you’d think at first
whoa that picture of Putz is kinda creepy
I would personally like to thank Omar for fulfilling my biggest offseason wish – “Send Aaron Heilman as far away from NY as possible.” Check!
“dave27 says:
December 11th, 2008 at 12:27 am
My only concern is Putz’s agent saying he would not want to be a set-up guy, but honestly it’s not up to him. He’s under contract.
Vargas and Carp were on the 40-man roster btw – so let’s not look past the fact that he opened two additional spots with this deal. KRod takes one, but there’s a spot for another FA.”
Or a spot for tomorrow’s Rule 5 draft…
NO WAY Admiral! He is too good to flip.
This could be one of the best bullpens EVER potentially! Give Putz a raise if he starts out pitching great, to keep him happy as setup man.
Seriously, this bullpen could lead us to WS trophy number 3…..
You can separate Heilman and Chavez for Green and Reed and its basically an even swap of four guys who didnt really need to included to land Putz. But a change of scenery is best for all four of them.
Hmmmm, Heilman and Smith is about equal to Putz and Green, Endy and Reed similar. So we just threw in Vargas and Carp and Kids for kicks?
Little skeptical