In an on-air report for WFAN, SI.com’s Jon Heyman said the Yankees are closing in on a four-year, $66 million deal for free-agent pitcher Derek Lowe.
Yesterday, on Baseball Prospectus, John Perrotto said the Phillies and Yankees are currently the favorites to sign Lowe.
In a recent poll on MetsBlog.com, 49 percent of readers said they would only give Lowe a three-year deal, 38 percent would give him a four-year deal, while 12 percent would not sign Lowe at all.
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Gross.
“Close” in Heyman’s language is “negotiating” in ours.
Lowe would be a mistake at that price/term. MHO of course!
spend the money elsewhere, and get a much cheaper option to replace Lowes likely output, or spend about the same on Sheets and get way higher upside.
In the meantime, WE need two more (maybe 3) starters
And setup help
And corner OF upgrade
And 2B upgrade
And C upgrade
But lets throw Omar a victory parade for Krod (a meaningless signing based on how badly he botches the above mentioned needs)
Negotiating is the predecessor for a signing. Especially with the yankees since your probably not gonna see a better offer.
I doubt the Phils can compete with the Yanks and daddy warbucks.
Thats a lot of money for a 35 year old.
Is Marquis possible w/o dealing Heilman? Especially now that the Cubs are desperate to move him. Is he worth it?
we must get manny or tex
this is a sad day…lowe and c.c.?
and the mets are going to get…garland!
Sad Sad day for mets fans. mickey mouse orginization!
Actaully, sheets/marquis, or sheets/wolf, would be plenty for the rotation. Just hang onto vargas ans neise to be the 6/7 guys waiting in AAA or the pen.
Heck, Omar could finish the rotatin in Vegas, and swoop in quick on 1-2 BP arms (lyon, guardado, street, etc.), and have the bulk of the off season must-dos done soon.
then he can work on upgrading the offense. Get Molina.
mets need lowe. the yanks just keep throwing out money to guys like cc, lowe and burnett. the mets and omar will get a good starting pitcher.
Catcher is not priority, although your list may be in the correct order anyways.
But, you need to input 2 SPs in between setup and OF help.
lol my bad Dwright, you already have that there.
I hope they get Lowe and Burnett to go along with CC and 3/5 of their starting pitching gets injured at the same time. Hotdamn, that would be better than christmas morning ::evil grin::
I would like Lowe on the Mets, but that kind of money is insane. Enjoy him Yankees.
This is why the Mets will NEVER be the Yankees (in a good way).
The Mets big offseason signing is a $37mil deal. The Yankees big offseason signings will be a $160mil deal, a $66mil deal, and probably more.
Marquis is just plain no good.. And at 10 mil for 09 it is a waste of resources. Not to mention the player(s) we have to trade to get him
Id rather take a shot at Sheets..
Hey Unclutch – shut up.
God I hate the Yankees.
ug, remember that Lowe is old and overrated, and that CC just catches them up (or tires to) to the Mets with Johan. So don’t panic. And please Omar, no Garland!
starz, at this point based on the reports, you can pretty much have marquis just by asking. Marlon anderson might be enough. Or maybe Schoe. Or a no-name prospect.
Trade marlon, have the cubs eat 4 million, and you got your league average #5 innings eater locked up for 1 year/6 million. Better than 3/36 of Garland.
then get the 2 BP arms needed and sign sheets, and the pitching is pretty much done.
then omar can concentrate on the offense (especially the future! 2010 is just around the corner).
But, locking up the pitching now will give him the budget available and time to focus on the rest of the team.
If you told me Lowe would sign on our team for that, I would take it, maybe not agree with it, but we could use Lowe…but thats NOT the case. To even have a chance, you’d have to offer at least that. Who knows, maybe lowe would pick the mets over yanks over same price.
I’ve always been a derek lowe fan. he’s very similar to ollie in that he is a big game pitcher but also a head case. lowe just has more history and pitched in bigger games than ollie.
I would have liked to see lowe on the Mets but not for that money nor for 4 years.
with all factors considered, I still think signing ollie is the Mets best option.
Say what you want but the Yankees do what’s necessary to get it done for their team and the future of their franchise.
I’m not saying we should have signed either but them signing both Sabathia and Lowe is huge.
Sabathia, Wang, Lowe and Joba as their starting 4 and possibly bring Pettite back as the 5th. That’s more than solid, that’s downright nasty.
I really like Lowe..but he’s just so old at this point, that it would be a mistake to give him more than 2 years. So go ahead Yanks, sign him to a 4 yr deal.
furioso, you are truly an idiot on this board. And I can’t imagine anyone that posts what you do isn’t one in real life too.
and only cashman lives in a fantasy world of unlimited checkbook. Other Gms deal with reality.
Actually, Unclutch, you’re just a whiny d-bag who will never be happy regardless of what Omar does.
LOL, that’s $16 mill/year PLUS $4 mill in luxury taxes. They’ll be paying $20 million a year to have someone Yankee fans once called Derek Blow pitch for them.
They are so desperate, overpaying for starting pitching through the teeth. I guess in the era of drug testing, that is now their only option to get a good rotation.
Looks like Yankees do not want Pettitte. The Mets really should swoop in. He was unlucky last year, moving to the NL will help him, and the Mets will be asking him to be a 3 or 4 starter. One year, $14 million. It’s more money but because it’s one year it’s worth it. Let’s do it. Rodriguez fills just one of at least six holes. Come on Omar!!!
not bad for a guy who was 26-25 the last 2 years.
Marquis is a viable option…as a #5. The guy is one year older than Garland, has better numbers (besides Ws) and will cost A LOT less in $$ and commitment. I’d say thats reasonable. THEN, you go out and trade for a decent #4.
Dwright,
when they became the evil empire all of those things stopped. what have the yanks done lately?
the evil empire has struck again ! damn it must kill the yankmees when we co-opt the backpages
Why are you on this blog?
is there anything worse than anti-met mets fans?
DO WE FORGET THAT MAINE HAD A SERIOUS INJURY!!!
i mean thats our # 2/3 guy. we worn out the bullpen because perez maine and pedro could not go more then 6 innings. we need #2 pitcher asap. if omar sits on his a$$ and doesnt sign lowe or burnett, he better look for tex then. because were going to need to put up 7 runs a game
Dwright, when they became the evil empire all of those things stopped. what have the yanks done lately?
They stopped being loaded with All-star and HOFers? Must’ve missed that one.
They’re still not THE MLB glamour team?
They’re still not a dangerous threat to make the playoffs?
Ok, gotcha
F#$k the Yankees. Who cares what they do. This is Mets blog.
we as mets fans have our disagree and agreeing with what our team does, at least is relevant now and we should all be happy, for all i know we can be the cubs, nationals, or pirates… at least our team is making improvement, but we as fan need to understand that not everything will go our way.. shoot i’ve been prasing to get #25 from the get go but i know that that may not happen.. but someway somehow, i expect omar to either get him or #24 to queens in 2009…
with that being said DWrightUnclutch is entitled to think what he wants.. just like francessa’s radio whoever don’t like his comments don’t reply back
Wow talk about over-paying for a rotation.
People may kill the mets for not spending At least when they do, they do it wisely for the most part. I know Alou and Castillo are terrible. Beltran, Freddy, and Johan have been outstanding.
Nothing like the yanks who have over-paid for peope for 10 years. Let them keep that up. Now they will have 6 players combined making over 100 mil a year.
one thing these insane FA SP contracts do point out is how imprtant it is to develop pitching from your system.
IMO, the goal should be to bring 1 rookie/young guy (maybe after a year in the pen) into the rotation every year. And not 20 YO guys that aren’t ready if it can be avoided!
Pelfrey last year? Big addition. So if they added 1 more legit SP, for a solid top 4, looking for a young (cheap) guy for the last spot makes perfect sense.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Omar tries to get that via a trade. Someone like Maine was, maybe a Snell type (talented but off a bad year), one of the TB guys would fit the bill.
also wouldn’t be surprised that if the right deal doesn’t come along now, but he does add someone like sheets, he lets the last spot go for now and waits until ST to settle it out.
Could also try Heilmann. Just had to throw that in!
The new Yankee way is to force guys to be yankee$ by holding cash up to their heads. Getting players by money point… should build a solid clubhouse.
“I’d think having a team that chokes 2 straight years in soul-destroying fashion would be worse, yes.”
The Yankees have been choking since 2000.
If the Yankees sign Lowe for the reported $66 mill deal, they will be paying $50 mill/year to have CC and Lowe pitch for them. They ARE ruining baseball.
No matter how much the Red Sox or the Angels or the Mets spend, it looks like pocket change compared to the Yankee excesses. They are a grotesque organization.
mets have 2 choices either sign oliver perez and extremly up grade the bullpen or spend the money on ben sheets and randy wolf and upgrade little in the bullpen hopefully a aaron heilman and sum1 for street trade
say all you want about sheets but even when hurt he pitched 198 innings you know hes got dominate stuff i dont gota say that hes only 30 and threw 5 complete games offer 2 years 30 mill and randy wolf so a low cost deal get pay backs at the phillies for not taking em back
Wow more garbage from Dwright who does not think rationally at all. He does not understand that we have to have 2 SP and that a #5 is not going to be a #2. Marquis for 1 year while Niese develops is a fine thing. However, we would still be in the need of a #2. IF Lowe, Burnette, CC, all get taken then Sheets would be a good option.
DWrightUnclutch, you’re the new Furioso, aren’t you? In a bad way. In the fact that while you sometimes have some really useful and insightful thoughts, you do it in such a way that no one takes you seriously and people ignore you. So, I suggest you just calm down, and communicate a bit more placidly.
A-Rod, Jeter, CC, And Lowe =100Million /Year. Thats crazy!
I would offer Lowe 4/68. I think we need him
Dwright. The yanks have a grand total of 5 more world series wins since the Mets came into Existence.
I guess you really fall into this yankee propaganda and believe world series won when there were 9 teams in baseball would still hold water. That if baseball was geared the way it was now back then the Yankees would still have all these World Series wins.
Yes the Yanks of the 90’s were great. Since 2000, the yanks have spent and spent and spent and spent and spent and spent…… and all their “Top Prospects” have flopped.
I for one am glad the Mets didn’t Over Pay for CC. 23 million a season. now on the Brink of what is being said is a 17-18 million dollar a year offer for Lowe.
Please. Let them have both. CC isn’t better then Johan, but he’s getting paid like it. And Lowe is getting more money then guys like Halladay and other aces.
Hope they have fun with CC if they make the playoffs. He does have a career 10 ERA.
I’d rather blow that money on Sheets!!!
I would like to see us with more interest towards Sheets. Ollie may have to come back, but 4 years is a lot of inconsistency to pay for. I think somehow we will grab a Garland or Marquis (same kind of pitcher) for the back-end of the rotation. But, we will need someone for the middle of the rotation and that would have to come from a trade. And realistically that may not happen, IOW a trade would prolly net us a #4,5 type not #2#3 type.
Look at it like this, Lowe at 16.5Mil per year will give you 15-16 wins. John Neise at ??? or John Garland at 8 mil per yr will give you perhaps 12-14 repectively. No Brainer to me.
man, I keep trying to just ignore furioso (aka unclutch), but it’s like looking at a car wreck. You just can’t help yourself! And he is kind of funny…
But, what is this obsession with saying that none of the holes are filled? he got 1 piece, and last I checked, there is 3+ months to opening day. And I don’t honestly think he isn’t planning to make any more moves.
At least wait until you see the opening day roster before freaking out?
Oh, and the Mets have been right in it for a playoff spot the last 3 years, just like the yanks. Sorry the last couple of finishes ripped your soul out.
have you considered officially becoming a yankee fan, since you like them so much? Or maybe therapy?
No. Pick up Sheets.
actually the yanks have 7 ws wins since the mets came in a heck of a lot more than any other team. unfortunately.
why pay lowe all this money hes 36 but i wont take credit away from him I heard hes always in shape and is just a guy that can last forever age is not a problem with him so thats not an issue its just that once a man like that gets paid and then moves into a city like we live in hes just not ready for it guys got great stuff but hes going to break down once he gets booed this guy looks emotional type and looks like it will take a year or 2 to fit in i rather spend half of the 66 mill to lowe on sheets for 2 yrs for 30 mill and the other 30 mill on sum doctors that can keep this guys arm in shape n healthy this guy has the charistma and leadership the mets need behind santana this guys like a grown up mike pelfery those 2 would be best friends and mike would learn alot trust me this guys worth the risk
DWRIGHT:
I agree with most of your points. I am kind of curious to what exactly you think we should do…
I, too, like Lowe, but not at that price. Look, the Yankees are paying through the nose for these guys, but they are going to be liabilities towards the ends of those contracts.
Before being hyper-critical, I want to wait and see if we overpay for someone. Who knows, we might take a bite at Manny, for the short-term (one year deal at $25m? 2-years at $45m?)
In terms of pitching, I think Garland is a possibility. Don’t discount a trade to fill the starter spot, although I think Omar wants Street and may use Heilman and another chip to get him.
I REALLY like Sonnanstine. His numbers indicate he could be really quite good.
why over paid for lowe who only pitched good in LA?? go to the yankees and see how destroyed he’ll get after seeing countless grounballs go trough between first and second… get sheets and a number #5 like sonnastine who might do wonders in the NL..
I read the M’s are willing to listen on Erik Bedard. I wonder a) if he’s healthy and b) what it would take to get him?
For what it means…
AccuScore simulated the Mets’ 2008 season with Rodriguez as their closer to show what a difference he would have made to their bullpen. According to our simulations, the Mets would have won 10 more games with Rodriguez, finishing with a record of 99-63 rather than 89-73. They would have easily won the East and made the playoffs.
Lets be honest guys, the problem with the Mets isnt who they sign, or how much money they do, or do not spend. Its not about a “losing culture” or them being “latino” or any of the other shenanigans that gets thrown around on this blog and the insufferable beer leaguer.
plain and simple, the mets DO NOT DRAFT WELL. Yes we produced, Dwright and reyes, pelfrey, etc. But our farm compared to other teams is certainly not that talented or deep. Once the FO drafts better and PAYS ABOVE SLOT for the best available talent, we wouldnt have to worry so much about signing a ton of FA or making trades to fill holes.
Im just ranting here, but I personally would rather see a good farm with plenty of depth for call ups/promotions/trade bait, then have to rely on getting a guy like Garland or Marquis, or vastly over paying to retain Perez or get Lowe……..
I think giving Sheets a 2 year deal would be a great idea.
santana
pelfrey
maine
lima
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Metsminors says the Rockies like Heilman but Street is not being traded for him.
Zen, 7-2 = the 5 more WS wins (can’t take the Mets 2 away from them!)
I think Sheets now is a must-sign. Perfect fit for what they need if he can be snagged for 2/26-28 or so.
The 5 hole wil get resolved, as long as it isn’t garland! Lots of options for that, most likely via trade or internal (vargas).
read the M’s are willing to listen on Erik Bedard. I wonder a) if he’s healthy and b) what it would take to get him?
I read that also, when on he’s a bulldog, but i’m sure the M’s might want a ML ready prospect and we don’t seem to have one since we’re rellying on tatis in left field.
Furios is right on one point, we can’t depend on Niese for the #5 spot at all.
The more I think about it the more I would at least MATCH the 4/68 offer to Lowe. It’s 16.5 million a year, that’s not great but could be worse. See if he would rather pitch for the Yankee’s in the AL or Mets in the NL. If nothing else it forces the Yankee’s to up their offer.
we’re not gonna get one of the top flight SPs. I know this is “ridiculous” to some, but go after Tex. Our infield would be so young and set for the next 3 years atleast. Trade delgado to the AL for a back end starter and a BP option. We don’t have a 1st baseman next year, this really is the smart move at this point. We saved so much on Krod, don’t just blow it on “whoever is left” which is what we’d have to do
i say sign ben sheets 2 yrs 30 mill
then holla at san fransico and offer evans and sum good prospects like kunz and carp for jonahtan sanchez hes a young lefty i saw him pitch against us last year that guys nasty with the right pitching coach he could be a cheap oliver perez all over again i dont disagree with sonnastine to go with sheets its just that i rather have 3 rights and 2 lefties then 4 righies and 1 lefty ya know either way it would be good but sanchez is not joke guy can pitch
Niese could stink and wind up in AAA, but he doesnt tie up millions that you would need to then go out and fix the situation. You start over-paying in money and years for 36 yr old, above-average pitchers and then in 2-3 years, we really will be the Yankees. Stuck with players who get paid like princes and play like paupers. Carl Pavano, anyone? Or maybe Jamie Wright?
santana pelfrey maine heilman wright
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LMAO!!!!
The Yankees youth movement really lasted a long time LOL. I say Sabathia turns out to be a dud.
The Mets are scheduled to pay Johan $20 million in 2009. Lowe in my mind should be nowhere near that amount on any team let alone the Mets. He is a 12 to 13 million dollar at the most pitcher who is typically very average. The Yankees are buying themselves a $18 million dollar a year #3 or #4. Garland, Marquis or a number of other pitchers can get you 12 to 15 wins just like Lowe but for a lot less. Just because you have money doesn’t mean you overspend. I bet whoever we use in place of Lowe puts up similar numbers for less because he simply is not worth the money. He is an average pitcher coming off a career year playing in one of the worst offensive divisions in baseball and one of the best pitcher parks in the league.
Wow…
71alex242 says:
I read that also, when on he’s a bulldog, but i’m sure the M’s might want a ML ready prospect and we don’t seem to have one since we’re rellying on tatis in left field.
What about Nick Evans?
weakside, the irony with that is all these pro-Yankee folks forget that is how they started their run in the 90’s. Young, homegrown guys with vets sprinkled in. It was only after they started buying everything in sight was the model showed to be flawed.
Sorry meant 16 not 18 still to me the same thing as he isn’t worth that to me either.
Yankees had about 80M coming off the books…
All I know is that if Lowe and CC signs with the Yankees…
1) The Wild Card Brewers lost their Ace, and he’s out of the NL for good
2) The NL West leading Dodgers lost their Ace, and he’s not going to the Phillies
3) The Mets didn’t committ 4 years to a 36 year old pitcher (AMAZING IN ITSELF!)
Great day for the Mets… Congratulate the Yankees, they just helped our playoff chances.
Let’s hope Omar pounces on Sheets for 2 years/30M … Santana/Sheets/Pelf/Maine/(Neise/Garland/Hell, you could put Cerrone in the 5 spot) is pretty stellar
If I were Omar…
1) Sign Sheets 2/30M
2) Trade Heilman/Feliciano for Street
3) Sign Cordero
Then, we can try and see how the offensive market develops… Pitching, Pitching, Pitching FIRST
Unclutch,
Real fans got back in the saddle the same day that Utley dropped the f-bomb.
Why is it that Omar gets bashed in the papers so often yet Cashman gets away with his dumb moves?
METDOG:
I don’t see how the M’s might want evans, if so might be evans and amother prospect (most likely a pitcher) but i tell you, he’s a guy worth to at least look at..
lol, as funny as it sounds by all these pitchers and players goin to the AL is making the mets at least a playoffs team by DEFAULT.
@TB
I agree. Something tells me this backfires. 160 for CC? He’s not even in the same league as sabathia, even francessa said that. I think he won’t live up to the hype, But I could be wrong.
*as santana
@ #87
because its the Yankees.
As for Sheets…I say go for it. As long as we don’t overpay. If the bidding gets too high, concentrate on making some trades.
Cordero+Street/Lyon+Ohman=Amazing pen
Adam Dunn should be signed.
Heilman/Feliciano deal is dead and gone. Rockies don’t need a Lefty RP any more and they dont want to deal Street in a Heilman trade.
The Sababthia deal not withstanding (he is the best available this year) the problem is when guys like Lowe are percieved to be worth 16.5 a year because the Yankees “say” he is, and all other teams have to go along for the ride…
Dwright:
Your the Typical Met-Yankee fan. You want these guys so bad then when they come in and don’t put up the Superstar numbers you want them run out of town or you yell they are over-rated. Like when Beltran became a Met. Yes he underperformed a tad, but you wanted him gone. Same with Reyes when he was called up.
Your going to pay 1 million dollars a win for Derek Lowe? And he’s not getting 16 million he’s getting 17-18. Seriously he’s not worth it to me and many mets fans. Let the yankees get him and watch his ERA go up to 4-5. And let the Yankee fans cry about him and cashman signing him.
There are guys who are comparable on the market who will cost way less. Sheets and Burnett are similar pitchers, ones going to get 60+ mil and ones getting 20 mil. Garland and Lowe are similar pitchers yet one is getting 70 mil and one will get 30 mil.
Why waste the money on guys who aren’t worth it. Kill Omar for bad signings like Alou and Castillo. But you don’t want to have more Pedro, Mo Vaughn contracts where the guy is just sitting there destroying your payroll for years.
Once again the yankees increase the bar on payroll. No way lowe is a 17 million a year pitcher. no thanks.
We should sign garland his better than Marquis and is free. Try Sheets then Oliver. If we cant get the offense (ie – Dye type of player), then we need to put all the money into SP. A rotation like below is pretty good:
santana
Pelfrey
Maine
Sheets
Perez or Garland
Your the Typical Met-Yankee fan. You want these guys so bad then when they come in and don’t put up the Superstar numbers you want them run out of town or you yell they are over-rated. Like when Beltran became a Met. Yes he underperformed a tad, but you wanted him gone. Same with Reyes when he was called up.
I’m not interested in being fair to losers and chokers.
Either win, or go f**k yourselves at this point.
DWright IS Furioso with a new screen name…without a doubt.
He says EXACTLY the same drivel, and copies and pastes others’ comments in bold, just like Furioso…because it IS Furioso.
And as TRS wisely says whenever Phillies trolls come on here, ignore the trolls and they go away.
Furioso will not go away maybe, but the more attention he gets, the more he will love it and bug all of us grown-up, normal, well-adjusted fans, and twist otherwise cool threads into obnoxious idiocy.
Thank you and have a nice morning!!
Your going to pay 1 million dollars a win for Derek Lowe? And he’s not getting 16 million he’s getting 17-18. Seriously he’s not worth it to me and many mets fans.
Come Oct., tell me if the extra wins he’d give you over garbage like Marquis would be worth the money to you.
How much would YOU have paid for 2 more regular season wins the last 2 seasons?
“I’m not interested in being fair to losers and chokers.
Either win, or go f**k yourselves at this point.
WOW…. THE HOSTILITY.. LOL.. relax man!! jeez..
Why is it that Omar gets bashed in the papers so often yet Cashman gets away with his dumb moves?
Who’s got rings?
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Rings in 98, 99, 2000 with a team that had mostly been put together by Bob Watson.
What has he done on his own? Signed Pavano, Jaret Wright, Damon, Farnsworth….brought in Abreu and Randy Johnson. Signed A-Rod to that ridiculous contract when no other team was coming close to giving A-Rod that much.
Now giving CC 23 million a year when the guy cant pitch in the postseason. And Lowe 16.5 million a year for 4 years? Have you ever seen Cashman makes trades similar to the Maine or Oliver Perez deals? #94 got it right. Cashman gets away with murder. He is horrible.
Amen, dre. None of the pro-Yankee drivel in here bothers to understand the truth of the matter. That Cashman benefited from a team in place, and has been Steinbrenner’s lapdog ever since with all the contracts that he has doled out.
I don’t want Lowe. He’s overrated for that price. He’s not nearly a Santana or a CC.
Hey Unclutch
I hate when ignorant people try and make me look dumb…. I’ve been reading your comments, and may I suggest a new venue to vent your frustration. Go log on to your WWF Pro Wrestling site and complain about the Rock being a sellout or something… Cause you have no business in a logical conversation about a real sport
…….. WOW
So as long as no other NL team improves themselves, the Mets are in great shape.
That’s your point, right?
WOW…..Just WOW
………
The Mets have already addressed their most glaring weakness, the closer. And for less than half of what he was looking for. It was a great move. If you don’t agree with that, then you should find another hobby, because you know nothing about baseball, or baseball economics.
All I was saying was that the Yankees signings were good for the Mets, in that it’s addition by subtraction…
Are other NL teams going to improve? Yes.
Are the Mets done improving themselves? No.
Are the Mets going to contend for the playoffs? Yes
Is the Rock truly a sellout? Only you know for sure
I don’t know about you, Unclutch, but I sure wouldn’t have paid 17-18 mil for two more wins, especially when we wouldn’t have beaten the Phillies or the Rays anyway. Let the Yankees snatch up all of the old guys with question marks…this is a building process and K-Rod was step one. Step two is either re-signing Perez or bringing in a guy like Marquis or Garland to be a #4 starter. I would love to have Lowe, but not for 4 years and definitely not for 17-18 million a year…that’s insane. Our big three Santana, Pelfrey, and Maine are more than capable of winning 20, 17, and 15 games with a good bullpen, so all we really need is someone to win maybe 12-14 games and then let Niese get his experience with the pressure off this time. We needed K-Rod…we do not need Lowe.
In fact, talk about irony, the one time that Cashman backbones up and refuses to pull the trigger, is the one time more than ever he should of done the deal. Those guys may still turn out OK, but what would Johan of gotten them last year?? With Rivera saving games as opposed to the logs we were sending out there every night…lol
And one more thought: the reason you are seeing Lowe’s name thrown around with that kind of price behind it, the reason the Yankees are “cornering” the market, can be directly tied to last offseason when we they failed in their attempts to placate their fan’s usual, higher-than-the-moon expectations.
We should not be so worried about what other NL teams are doing, as long as we do what’s best for US. What’s best for US right now is letting the Yankees sign Lowe to a ridiculous contract. Trust me, they will be whining about it in two or three years.
The Mets have already addressed their most glaring weakness, the closer
As opposed to a rotation that only has 3 guys in it? (And 2 of them questions)
or a black hole at 2B?
Or a corner OF strategy that relies on Tatis?
Or a useless setup core?
Wow…so glad Omar addressed the closer. Guess he can pack up now and go to war with the team he has
b>I don’t know about you, Unclutch, but I sure wouldn’t have paid 17-18 mil for two more wins, especially when we wouldn’t have beaten the Phillies or the Rays anyway
Sure, the same way everyone here was saying “Oh well, we wouldn’t have beaten the Cubs anyway” after the last day.
Good. So unless they’re absolutely the by far and away best team, it’s better if they don’t make the playoffs.
Gotcha.
WOW
Our big three Santana, Pelfrey, and Maine are more than capable of winning 20, 17, and 15 games with a good bullpen, so all we really need is someone to win maybe 12-14 games and then let Niese get his experience with the pressure off this time. We needed K-Rod…we do not need Lowe.
1)WITH WHAT PEN?!?!??!!?
2)Pelfrey can win 17? He’s only had 1 good year.
3) Maine can win 15? IS HE EVEN HEALTHY?
4) Sure, because having garbage at #5 sure hasn’t hurt the team at all the past 2 seasons
Gotcha. We’re WS bound according to you. Good to know.
Do you all realize that this entire thread is becoming devoted to DWrightUnclutch/Furioso?
He is sitting alone at home, probably in his parents’ basement, getting off tremendously on all of this attention, which he clearly can never get in real life.
The very best way to show how idiotic and sad he is would be to ignore his posts and never respond to them.
I am majorly in favor of free speech, and anyone can say what they want, but look at this thread—it is almost entirely devoted to responding to the pathetic rantings of a fair-weather, mal-adjusted, horrible fan, who will NEVER engage in rational argument or make a good suggestion.
And I thank you again, and now, I really must go!
Unclutch, get a grip man. Nobody said he should pack up and call it a winter because we got a closer. No doubt the closer was our biggest need, but no one is saying that we do not have other needs as well. We are not done making moves, that you can be sure of. Our 2B situation stinks, but there is not much we can do about it if nobody wants to take on Luis’ contract. Our LF situation will be fine for a year or two until F-Mart is ready…and I’d say it relies more on Murphy than Tatis, which I am fine with for now because Murphy is amazing and he’s only going to get better. As for our rotation, well everybody’s rotation has question marks at the beginning of every season so I don’t see why you’re making a big fuss over that. Maine will be fine, you watch, because he was pitching in pain all of last season and that led to his control/velocity issues. If he is comfortable, he will be his usual self. Pelfrey is a stud and really has improved under Warthen, so given an entire offseason and ST to work with the kid, I’d say he will be a solid #2 or #3 next season and will win around 16-17 games. We need one guy to win 12-14 games for us in the #4 hole, and I think that guy is Garland. We don’t need the same from a 5th starter, so why not let the kid Niese get his rookie season under his belt. You have no faith man, and quite frankly you are ruining everybody’s mood on this board with your ignorant pessimism.
my goodness. Yeah, the team still has holes/needs, but it is still early.
The rotation will be filled before opening day. Likely Tatis will be on the bench where he belongs.
it takes time to make all the needed moves. Especailly something like 2B.
Yes, Pelfrey can win 17 if he pitches the way he did in the second half under Warthen. What pen? The one Omar is trying to build…oh wait just because he hasn’t put together a 25 man roster by the Winter Meetings means he won’t do it at all…that’s right. And Maine is healthy last I heard, and is confident he will return to his 2007 form next season.
And who says Niese is garbage? You don’t become a good MLB pitcher by pitching in AAA, and with the pressure off this time he should do fine for a rookie. So if he wins 8 or 9 games for us, but yet the other 4 win the number I believe they could, he will keep us from winning the East? Get real.
You have no faith man, and quite frankly you are ruining everybody’s mood on this board with your ignorant pessimism.
After the past 2 seasons, you have no business having anything except pessimism to be honest with you.
As for our rotation, well everybody’s rotation has question marks at the beginning of every season so I don’t see why you’re making a big fuss over that
I hear that every year, and every year IT BITES US IN THE BUTT.
I’m sick of “well, if this works out, and that works out, we can maybe win”
How about building the best damn team for once?
Unclutch, you never answered…
Is the Rock a sellout?
I want an experts opinion…
Alright, that might be an unfair question…
Let’s do a non-opinion based question…
Did you spend more last year on Mets tickets or on WWE Pay Per Views?
Well then I guess I’m not a “real fan” because I refuse to dwell on 2007 and 2008. 2009 is a new season, and while you take what happened the last two years and you learn from it, you do not let it affect the way you play in 2009. Get over it already…it’s just a game.
I would love to see Lowe in Mets uniform next year, but giving him 16.5 per is a little too much. I know he’s been solid and reliable, but he’s a 35 year old pitcher. He has never won more than 16 wins past 5 years. 16-17 mil is money for an ace rather than #2-3 type of pitcher
and while you take what happened the last two years and you learn from it,
Really?
The GM sure hasn’t learned.
And the fans here haven’t learned.
dwunclutch…
In the interest of having a discussion, cause, ya know, its a blog, what’s your plan? Tell us what Omar should do/be doing this offseason. I have certainly heard that you are not pleased with the Krod move. What’s your plan?
How can you tell the GM hasn’t learned? IT’S NOT EVEN JANUARY YET!!!! Geez, man…you need to relax and let Omar do his job. I sure hope you’re still on here when he makes more moves, the Mets have a solid BP next season, and we get into the playoffs.
According to the New York Daily News, the Mets might not be able to afford Raul Ibanez.
The paper suggests that after signing Francisco Rodriguez and re-inking Oliver Perez, the Mets might call it quits in the free agent market
EPIC FAIL OMAR
Get ready everyone. Garbage at C and 2b. Garbage at setup. God knows what we’ll get from corner OF.
DWUC: get a grip dude. All you do is spew the negative. You certainly aren’t out in the working world b/c you’d never get away with bashing the team/project – excuse me – pointing out problems without presenting solutions to said problems. And we all agree you have yet to present one viable solution.
The rest of the Met fans on here at least throw out suggestions on improvement.
What, exactly, is yours?
My biggest question is “Who is our Number 2 Starter Next Year?”
- Can we really guarantee Maine is going to be 100% healthy (and throw less than 20 pitches an inning?)
- Is Pelfry really going to make that big a leap 2 years in a row?
The money is definitely over the top for Lowe/Burnett, but if we don’t get one of them, my issue is we will end up with Johan and a huge pile of simply average pitchers.
EPIC FAIL OMAR
Get ready everyone. Garbage at C and 2b. Garbage at setup. God knows what we’ll get from corner OF
Okay DWUn,
SO I will ask again, because I am a patient man. What is your plan? What would you do?
My plan:
1) Upgrade rotation.
2) Upgrade pen
3) Upgrade 2b
4) Fix corner OF
5) Upgrade C (if possible)
How would you do that??
BTW, we resigned Perez?????
OK, that’s a lot of money, but for that money, we should be signing him. Of course, if the Mets and Yanks were trying to outbid each other, the number might have climbed higher, depending on how badly the Yanks wanted Lowe (if they would have gone higher than this or whether we would have – frankly, this is nearly my limit even). Unless Lowe got injured, not impossible considering his age, for the first time (that would be Met luck), Him and Santana followed by Maine, Pelfrey and hopefully a solid young Niese would be amazing. As it is now, we have a huge hole and if he does sign with them, it will take a great trade to have a truly great rotation from top to bottom. Maine and Santana both had surgeries which has to be factored, too. It will sicken me if Pedro is re-signed. It would be a very Minaya-type move, like re-signing El Duque. I also wouldn’t be shocked to see Pedro signed for 2 years. Let’s see if the guy has learned anything. Anyway, I wish we had somehow gotten Lowe.
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