Earlier today, Jon Heyman of SI.com said the Cubs and Omar Minaya are discussing a trade that would send starting pitcher Jason Marquis to the Mets.
Tonight, on SNY’s Mets Hot Stove, Heyman added:
“Marquis is a good number five starter, he’ll throw innings, he wins in double digits
– you know, it makes sense and I think it’ll will get done. I know Omar is saying it will be later and a long shot… I think the later part is right, but this makes too much sense. The Cubs are pushing on the Mets right now, but eventually I think the they will do this deal.”
Heyman also said he believes the Mets are considering Raul Ibanez, though they’re not alone, adding, ‘the Mets love him, and they will consider him if the price is right.’
Lastly, Heyman flatly said, ‘No,’ when asked if the Mets will go after free-agent OF Manny Ramirez, adding, ‘I just don’t think they want him on their team.”
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What about Adam Dunn? I’d be fine with Dunn or Ibanez.
I don’t understand their obsession with Ibanez.
who needs 40 home runs and 130 rbis
Not Dunn…..too many K’s and we definitely don’t need an rally killers like that. We need somebody who is going to put the ball in play……just like K Hernandez back in the day.
we can’t afford 2 SP, manny plus a few others. doesn’t make sense.
Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn.
His OBP is really good, buenosdiazfive. Sure, he has a lot of strikeouts, but he walks a ton and has so much power. Plus he comes really cheap…
A little hit and run….sac fly…..sac bunt….squeeze….just like the glory days when Dykstra and Backman were tearing up the bases with CONTACT hitting no. 17 at the plate.
Hmmm, sounds like making this trade means a definitive bye-bye to Pedro.
Cuz, I think Pedro only make sense as a #5 with a high ceiling. He would not make sense as the #2 we need.
If its just Show for Marquis as reported and the Cubs eat a good deal of salary, what the hey. Sure.
This better not be the only SP we get…
No Ibanez. That’s all I say. Abreu and Ibanez are not who we want. Only free agent OF signings I’d want are Manny, Dunn, Milton Bradley, and Juan Rivera if he’s cheap.
welll looks like we wont have manny but i really think marquis is a great fit especially as a fifth starter but im not sure about ibanez id like to see them get dunn
Great, Steve Trachsel 2.0
If Ollie isn’t re-signed, we will be looking at getting a #4 and #5 with Niese in waiting. Garland and Marquis would work. I don’t see us getting Lowe and not really a fan of Wolf.
I doubt it, Sylar. I think Omar’s doing this so we have the money left over to go after the big names hard as our #2-3, like Sheets, Lowe, or Ollie.
i also agree marquis can not be the only pitcher i think the mets will play this pitching market like they have in the past with krod and johan and see how it shapes out a nd get another pitcher at there price
The problem is Ollie is a #4 #5 pitcher jaydh.
Yes, but he is still 27, and has the potential to be better than at least Maine.
So we’re adding yet Another righty with Marquis..Does this mean Oliver is definetely coming back??
Heyman is a retard, take everything he says with a grain of salt.
This is the same guy who said the Putz deal is unrealistic and too good to be true. Heyman go away.
I like the idea of Garland
Omar means business this winter!!! What do they have to give up for him?
Gina, you’re right in that Ollie is not worth what he will get. Look at his stats. They aren’t that impressive besides the K’s. I would take Andy Sonnanstine over him anyday.
At least Trachsel was on a playoff team…
I don’t like the notion of more left handed bats. I felt having Delgado, Church, Murphy, Schneider in the lineup together was a bit of a liability late in games. Unfortunately, most OF options are either left-handed or unrealistic (Manny). No interest in Burrell, though I still find Juan Rivera intriguing.
Of course Sonnanstine is better, but I don’t think he is attainable. Perez is at least proven to have a knack for big games. I wouldn’t overpay to keep him though.
Dave H, I would say the bullpen, the lack of depth after #5 or#6 in the order, and Luis Castillo’s presence hurt the team more, wouldn’t you?
I feel like if the Mets bring Ollie back,it’s almost like they’re Rewarding him for his tenure here which makes no sense
Jaydh, do you mean big games like the last 2 or 3 this season. Right…
yea i wouldnt mind ollie and marquis as long as we goo after a good outfielder and maybe hudson too
It will depend on Ollie’s market. If no big market teams go after him, we may be able to give the best offer.
Depending how the starting pitching market plays out, I think getting Marquis to be our #5 is a good move, and in addition to that, resigning Ollie. Sure, we wouldn’t have a sure fire #2 starter, I realize that, but we have 3 guys (Pelfrey, Oliver, Maine) who on any given day can be a #2 guy, and they’re all young enough that they could blossom into a #2 guy fulltime. It’s a bit of a risk, but I think Marquis brings stability with his innings at #5 (no more Figgeroa, Knights, limas, Parks, you get the picture) and the rest of the options (lowe, burnett) are just too pricey and not worth it. I also like the idea of bringing Ibanez in, but on a 3 year deal, no more.
overall, he’s been dominant. obviously there will be a few blips.
i mean cmon guys they are eating most of his contract who knows he might end up doing us well dont doubt just yet.
Ollie needs a change of scenary just like heilman got
Dominant? Not exactly. Good? Sure.
Great post darkstar… Good points
This kid Sean Green looks like he might be something. Omar has already had the Tigers calling up on him today, according to Dan Graziano.
i think this would be a terrible move, he is only an average pitcher, and pitching wins championships… we need to resign ollie, and pursue sheets or peavy
Sean Green is not a kid… he’s a vet..
Perez doesn’t need a change of scenery, HIS change of scenery was coming to us!
jaydh, he has not been overall dominant, overall he’s been solid-mediocre with the occasionally good start, but every pitcher has occasional good starts. doug davis almost threw a perfect game doesn’t mean he’s better than he is. Perez has two pitches, so-so velocity/movement and major control problems. Him and someone like Marquis are not the answers for a rotation that already has two question marks.
Sean Green kid? He’s like 29 year old reliever.
i meant overall dominant in the big games(against winning teams). But, I’m open to guys that can just throw innings to keep our pen fresh. I think Garland would be a good replacement for Ollie.
Sorry that was a stupid post.. sorry philnym..
Ya Sean Green and Reed are very overshadowed..
haha i agree with darkstar 100% and even better scho is gone in trade for marquis….i would lowe bout he is notttt at alll worth 18 million a year thats absurd
krod9
the problem is who can the mets get realistically? we have too many holes to fill.
unless the mets get Sheets or Lowe the rotation still wont be good enough to make up for the less than stellar lineup
that is why adding Manny in my eyes is the best move. we cant fill all our holes so we might as well get someone who can cover them up and wont have a bad contract
castillo/murphy at 2B and the same C as last year isnt the worst thing in the world.
and Marquis/Pedro as the #5 and Olli if he accepts or Wolf or Garland on a 1-2 year deal solves the problem for this season and then you move on from there
Yeah, I goofed up on that one. Green has been around now that I look at him.
Dunn,Ibanez and Abreu are all liabilities out there ..So with that being said, I’d rather go after the Biggest/Youngest bat =Big Donkey,Adam Dunn.. Because of BB, and this line-up needs a long ball guy cuz Delgado is a Huge ? mark
in regards to Marquis being Trachsel 2.0, the difference is Marquis would be our #5 pitcher while Trachsel at the time was our #3…similar production looks a lot better in the 5 slot, as long as they can get 1 more pitcher
I wouldn’t do Manny. I would rather get a #2 and sign Lowe for that price
on bad days ollie plays like a #4 or #5 pitcher, but on good days he is #1 w/o a doubt.
Lets be realistic gang…Marquis is a servicable #5 …and Niese will be on stand by..Ollie is a lefty he makes the most sense if we do this trade…however if anyone here thinks Omar isnt going to sign 1 arm from the Lowe/Sheets/Ollie 3some you are nuts…we need a bonafide #2 ..Omar is just playing the waiting game…..relax!
Mariners005. Almost every pitcher has days when they look like #1s. They don’t mean anything. Ollie is still a #4/5 pitcher.
I too like Ibanez would be good for the mets if not anything else a club house booster plus this guy from reports is in better shape than most of the so called studs of baseball. I like the Bret Boone, Brady Anderson, Fernando Tatis reinvent myself and body and be better at a older age than when I just came up type. The Ollie thing, so all over the place and as big game pitcher as he is I don’t know. Then again if the bullpen wasn’t so horrible this past season, Perez, Pelfrey, Maine, and especially Santana would have had way more wins. That will change this up coming season. New field, New attitude, New Bullpen. I like it.
Mariners005 are you Ollie in disguise?
fredcoupon09
obviously Sheets or Lowe is more important but if we can’t get them then we get Manny b/c the upgrade from Tatis/Murphy to Manny is so much bigger then from Pedro to Wolf or Garland
ill go for dunn put the only way ill do it is if he bats 6th or even 7th that way his strike out wont count as much.
If Manny really wanted to be in New York he would have when he left Cleavland no matter what he says about Money.
fredcoupon, the purpose of bringing Dunn in would be to eventually move him to first to replace Delgado, where he wouldn’t be any more of a defensive liability than Delgado is.
I love this trade, we all wanted to get rid of scho and omar has done it, hes finally listening to us…I dont think hes done at all, hes got alot up his sleeves
i once thought Dunn was a good option for us, but the problem is, he’s one of the worst outfielders in the majors, i mean, he should be a DH yesterday. Furthermore, what is the biggest complaint about our offense? We get one big inning, and then fail to tack on more runs. Dunn’s style of hitting would only make that worse. Sure he’ll hit some HRs, but we need guys who put the ball in play, get guys home from 3rd with 1 out, move guys over, drive the ball in the gap. Sure, I love HRs as much as the next guy, but that not what we’re missing.
Hey guys, What if we $pend some money and sign Lowe..Then go and get Abreu (he’ll go for cheap and we wouldn’t have to give up any picks) I mean jeez, we’ve already caught a break on k-rod doesn’t that balance out with a serious #2 and another big bat?
im not an Adam Dunn fan at all, but hes not a #7 hitter
Batter’s strikeouts are a little overrated… A player like Dunn, you shouldnt worry about his strikeouts because he walks just as much and hits alot of HRs
I think we SHOULD sign Dunn while no one else wants him…
The Mets would be INSANE to re-sign Ollie. First of all, the guy isn’t that good, secondly he will be overpriced and we’ll be committed to him for at least 3 years, thirdly and importantly, NOT signing him gives us 2 draft picks from another team!!! So, SIGNING HIM means we effectively LOSE 2 DRAFT PICKS!!! So, signing Ollie would probably cost 33 mil for 3 years plus 2 high draft picks (the ones we DON’T get). I can’t see us getting that desperate. All the more reason to get Marquis for Show, if that’s possible. All the better, if besides us losing the 3 mil we owe Show, the Cubs eat some of his salary. That is a very nice insurance policy for any scenario.
Gina, the reds have tried moving Dunn to 1st and it was a Big mistake..I could live with Dunn for 3yrs
Hey Darkstar!! How ya doin’, buddy?!!! I’m not saying get Dunn or not, but remember, he could probably move to 1B after Delgado leaves – actually effectively even opens up the possiblity of even trading Delgado for whatever else we need (less a priority, since we probably won’t be signing Tex also and Carp is gone).
OK, Mr. Coupon, so Dunn at first was like the Piazza to 1st experiment, I guess.
Over-Pay-For-Lowe!..Over-Pay-For-Lowe!…Over-Pay-F…anyone with me on this..?
To fredcoupon=NO
darkstar73
exactly that is why Manny would be perfect here. we desperately need his bat in the lineup. not only does manny bring runs in but he creates runs as well.
the mets have a problem with “choking” and Manny might be an idiot, but the guy can flat out play.
i’d be fine with Manny in LF and a not so great rotation b/c for the extra run the starter gives up per game Manny will drive in 2 more than Fernando Tatis
no way..im saying Dunn in the outfield..Dunn suprisingly is better out there than 1st according to the Reds
I think I might be with you on that, Mr. Coupons, to a point. Not sure what the cutoff point on Lowe is. He sure seems to be everyone’s golden boy right now. Who would have thought that it would probably take around 20 mil a season to turn Derek Lowe’s head in 08/09. Would the Yanks even stop at 80 for 4 seasons – I wonder. The Mets could luck out and Tex ends up on the Red Sox, Yanks sign Burnett and the Mets slip in on Lowe with a bit of a higher bid. Still, I wonder if the jilted Angels don’t get in at that point.
Adam Dunn would be great, considering how little attention he’s getting.
fredcoupon,
Abreu is a bum and only had 20HR with the short fence at YS in right. He’s also a horrible fielder, just by watching the Yankees on Mets off days sometimes I’ve lost count how many times ive seen him hesitate at the wall… like he’s scared to make contact.
We don’t need a softie on this team, sign manny.
Matt needs a poll. Basically “Would you rather have “Manny and some lesser starters (Garland, etc.) or Lowe and some lesser OF (Dunn, Abreu, Ibanez, etc.)?”
the problem with Adam Dunn is going to be how frustrated we get when he strikes out in a big spot.
i just dont like the idea of someone who doesnt know how to do anything besides hit the ball as far as he can and walk.
cver, the problem with your question is that I don’t think Garland is as much a drop off from Lowe as Dunn is from Manny. The price for Lowe will reflect such a disparity, but that’s only because the slightest difference in pitching is very important. Kyle Lohse was great last year — and the same can happen for Garland moving to the NL. Would it surprise you if Garland and Lowe had similar years next year? It would shock me if Dunn had half the BA as Manny. OK, slight hyperbole, but you see the point.
cver,I don’t know about 20mil lol but to protect Santana and so the team can have a serious 1-2 punch, I’ll give Lowe 16-17 per..I mean it is a little pricey but this is it guys. To some extent It should be all or nothing. God forbid we miss the playoffs 3yrs in a row..Just Lowe and Dunn or Abreu..Not Manny,and not Ibanez..We caught a little break on k-rod..now lets capitalize Omar
No, but he was a number one for the pirates and did hav a good season till he realized he was on the pirates. im just fighting for someone who has been fighting for us for a while. Next dont forget who step it up in the playoffs when we needed him to. He doesn’t deserve the contract he wants, but at the same time we can’t get rid of someone that steps up for us in big games against good teams. Which bad for us ollie did and thats y we need him
So the cubs want to rid Marquis and his salary so they could afford to get Peavy. And we consider Marquis to great extent. what do we do? Decisions decisions. OK here it go’s. F%#@ Marquis.We cock block! Omar’s tricky ways send out the aroma to Peavy to accept flushing. Send a centerpiece package of Mike Pelfry to San Diego. Get back SP Peavy/ SP josh Geer and OF Jody Gerut, and problem solved, ready for battle!
Pretty misleading title. Thought it meant it actually will get done, not jon heyman said so
cver
i dont think we can outbid the Yanks and Sox to get Lowe or Sheets. so the question really is
Do we want
1) Manny, Marquis/Pedro and Penny/Odalis Perez
or
2) Abreu/Dunn/Ibanez, Marquis/Pedro and Garland/Wolf
cver,Lowe + Dunn..Manny is a big mistake
“Of course Sonnanstine is better, but I don’t think he is attainable. Perez is at least proven to have a knack for big games. I wouldn’t overpay to keep him though.”
I’m not so sure, Perez has much better stuff. Not even close. Philly creamed Sonnanstine in the playoffs, and their lefty hitters would hit him every time. Perez is a year older, but again, has much better stuff than Sonnanstine.
I really think this Jason Marquis trade goes through. He’ll become our 5th starter, which puts Jon Niese waiting in the wings right where he should be. We lose Scott Schoeneweis, and I have to believe Omar tracks down Eddie Guardado to become the bullpen’s second lefty in addition to Pedro Feliciano. Plus, it seems that JJ Putz and Eddie Guardado really bonded well back in their Seattle days and even served as JJ’s mentor.
also coupon I’m with you on overpaying for lowe.
I think it is most sensible to bring Ollie Back. I don’t like the Idea of having 4 Righties in the rotation. Plus, Oliie is Murder on the lefties within our division, and while he is maddeningly inconsistent at times, we know he can handle the pressure of New York and he steps it up for Big Games.
Regarding Dunn Vs. Ibanez, if we could trade a lefty like Schneider, Dunn all the way. It could also be Church, but I like Churchie, and believe he deserves another shot. It not his fault he was handled inappropriately. Plus he’s got a gun…but I digress. It bothers be that we would lose a draft pick on a 37 year old outfielder, but if the team retains all of its left hitting starters, I feel this is the sacrifice they will have to make.
Finally, Manny would indeed make this entire lineup murderous, but it is a pipe dream. Not because we can’t get him, but we can’t afford to wait to get him. Manny will most likely be the last free agent that signs, and nobody is going to give him a 5 year deal (unless your name rhymes with shmakees). So the only way we get him is if his asking prices and suiters drop, and that is not going to be for months. Omar simply can’t wait that long…but he could always try to overwhelm him on a short term contract like 50 Mill for two years. But like I said…Pipe Dream.
Go Mets
With the Cubs parent company in trouble maybe they’ll go cost cutting and package Soriano in the deal. Just kidding, would be interesting solution if he could stay healthy. I hope Omar pulls the trigger on Marquis and doesn’t wait like on Street and see’s it vanish. But with what he’s done so far who’s to question. A+ job by Omar and crew.
you know near begging of this thread with the argument of Dunn, I keep hearing he strikes out to much and we don’t need that kind of rally killer, we need contact. in my opinion i think that’s exactly what we need. Why? how many times have Delgado, Church, Schneider ( excuse spelling) ect; come up in a big spot and just hit a routine ground ball, DOUBLE PLAY, Dunn hits in very few double plays and when he hits, he does not just hit it, he demolishes it.
How do ya guys like Smoltz?
I like him, I’d like him to be a Met..
Cant think of a logical reason not to trade shoewenweiss for marquis, if that actually is the deal. 1 year cheap #5 starter rental to keep the seat warm for niese. Then Omar can make a move to get a legit SP and also a hole opens up in the bullpen for a guy like Chad Cordero.
I think it’s also ridiculous that Perez isn’t giving the Mets any kind of deal here, we saved his career. If the Mets hadn’t taken this guy in ‘06, he’d be out of baseball. Real grateful this guy is..
Gina, it makes a lot of sense..Mets have the money, and supposedly we’re spending it on pitching. nothing Big like c.c., but if your going to do it,use it on someone that makes sense
I don’t understand why people are convinced Ollie has such great “stuff” the guy literally throws TWO pitches. And neither of them are great. And on top of that he has major control problems. Really the only thing he has going for him is his arm angle makes it harder for lefties to hit him. His stuff is not great, it’s mediocre. I’ll take Sonnanstine over Perez any day.
Gina, I agree
Did anyone else hear the yankees had a Cabrera for LAD SP Clayton Keyshaw on the table and Yankees pulled out last minute? Well what would it take for the Mets to Get Keyshaw? Perhaps one Ryan Church. Then sign Abreu and give up no draft pick.
yeah id probably take sonnanstine over ollie, depending on what itd cost. They had very similar numbers last year, except sonnansine doesnt walk andbody and doesnt strike out people. Perez strikes a lot of people out, but walks everyone. Also sonnanstine pitches in the AL east. Big difference
im just hoping Omar can find away to give us a legit #2 starter in Lowe or Sheets
although its looking like a combo of Garland and Odalis Perez,/Pedro/Marquis is what were gonna get.
which is fine but it leaves plenty of money left over to upgrade LF or 2B
Agree on Ollie but Ollie is out there and Sonnanstine no longer is.
The Marquis trade is a duh trade. You have to do something like this incase you get shut out in the FA market. Of course we want a top of the line guy but there is no guarntee taht we get 2 guys or even 1 at this point.
ok..for those of you dunn/abreu haters..what about castillo for pierre..with dodgers eating up some money
Off the subject a bit….
Anyone up for this gamble?
Castinko for say Andruw Jones?
One bad contract for the other…but Jones can’t be a .158 hitter at age 32. Plus he’d be a decent left fielder.
AND bats right handed.
It’s far from perfect…but it’s interesting.
i want no part of pierre or jones, might as well stick it out with castillo
I applaud Mr. Omar Minaya for finding a way to get rid of a rotten apple like Mr. Aaron Heilman. I’m sure 99 per cent of all Mets fans share the same feeling. As for the 1 per cent of Mr. Aaron Heilman sipathizers I say this; New York is much better off without him, if not for him alone the Mets would have been in the playoffs, regardless how ineffective everyone else was. As for those who think that he might flourish as a starter you might want to forget the thought because the difference would be that he will lose the game in the 2nd inning instead of the 8th.
Pierre serves abosolutely no purpose for us. Piere is Castillo thus you would not make your team any better.
The Marquis deal isnt terrible. Hes an innings eater.
I wish the Mets would send Fmart, and a player or 2 for a legit SP or stud hitter.
We have Flores and Holt waiting in the wings. Fmart can go play on someone elses dl list
I dont mind bringing Olly back but I certainly wouldnt give him 5 yrs. He is overated. Great stuff but not consistent. Please dont say hes a big game pitcher.
Ive seen him choke it up just as much as hes shut the big teams out. Last weekend 2 yrs in a row.
Hes inconsistent. 3 yrs or good riddance if you ask me
Now Jones on the other hand if for some reason the Doders after getting Blake and Lorreta are still interested would make some sense. However, similar to the Peavy deal you would be doing it to help the Dodgers get Manny.
Gina,
Are you kidding me? Ollie’s Fastball not only has excellent volicity, but great movement as well. Not to mention that his slider has excellent movement. The guy might fall back on his two plus go to pitches, but they are good.
Now if you want to talk about mediocre picthers that get by on arm slot, then look no further then Bradford. Ollie is no Bradford.
You usually know what you are talking about but Ollie’s stuff being mediocre is far off the mark. His control is a function of his inability to keep his arm slot because he need aderole.
pierre is castillo?
Dunn’s HRs and BBs outweigh his Ks.
I think if we sign Lowe, Dunn, and Cruz, then we have a very good chance to win a WS.
Lineup:
Reyes
Murphy
Wright
Beltran
Dunn
Delgado
Church
Schneider
Starting Pitchers:
Santana
Lowe
Maine
Pelfrey
Niese
Bullpen:
K-Rod (Closer)
Putz (Set up)
Cruz (Mid Reliever)
Greene (Mid Reliever)
Feliciano (Mid Reliever)
Schoenweis (Mid Reliever)
I don’t know how realistic it is for Murphy to play 2B, but this looks like a very solid team. Lowe is an upgrade over Perez. K-Rod and Putz is an upgrade over our entire bullpen. Dunn essentially replaces Castillo. Every single part of the team improves.
Costs:
Dunn: ~10m.
Lowe: ~16m
Cruz: ~1-2m(?)
This is just what I’d do if I were GM.
My bad Coupons, Pierre is Castillo if Castillo did not get on base and made more money per year. Is that better?
Cost wise, Sonnastine might be a better option, but on just sheer ability, Ollie is the better pitcher.
qqqq….
Murphy is not going to play 2B.
The Mets are now especially not going to give up a pick fo Juan Cruz, Most likely we are not going to pay 12 million to Dunn, 18 to Lowe and 5 to Cruz. By the way Cruz will make much more than 1-2 million.
qqqqqqqqq, CAPITALIZED ALL OF THAT…except for Juan Cruz i disagree..he’ll get more than 1-2mm..Big Donkey in ‘09
gina, I have to agree with coolpapabell (the whole thing)…you’re usually spot on, but that kid’s stuff can be filthy. It’s his control/focus/whatever mental issues he has that makes him mediocre, not his pitches.
Sheer ability does not mean anything to me when you average 5 1/2 innings per start and want a 5 year contract.
no juan cruz, no middle reliever is worth a 1st round pick.
btw lets suppose Olli signs with like the Cardinals and the only type A we sign is K-Rod. do we actually improve our position for the draft????
qqq… First of all y the name?
Second great wish list, but, i wish money COULD grow on trees..
Yes I think we would. We would get the Cadinals pick and the Angels would get ours. Plus we would get a supplemental pick which is just or even sometimes even more important.
thereal, Pierre is a lot more consistent than Castillo especially at this point ..High hit totals and steals 40-55 bases a yr..reyes/pierre at the top of the line-up would work lovely
Seriously guys, let’s look at the state of the Mets, we’re only going to have JJ Putz for the next two seasons before he skips town to be a closer elsewhere. And, it’s pretty apparent Delgado is not getting moved this offseason, even with Mark Texieria on the market who could have been a long term solution. This team, as constructed, is built to win now. Basically, if this were poker, at this point, we are so pot-committed, we should go all in and shoot for a World Series title. We have a window of opportunity here to work with before it goes by. Manny Ramirez is the answer.
getting bored, starved for some more action
the problem with Ollie isn’t his stuff. Sure, he doesn’t throw 95+ anymore like he did when he first came up with the Pads and with the Pirates, but he still has a low-90’s fastball on good days, and an unhittable slider on good days. He has a fringe curve and change, that both can be above average once in a blue moon. The problem obviously isn’t his stuff. But like with any pitcher, you don’t always have you best stuff every start. When Ollie doesn’t, he has a VERY tough time getting outs consistently. He starts nibbling, he walks guys, hitters start sitting on a fastball, and all of a sudden you have yourself a 3 run HR. However, if he accepts a 3 year deal, I’d bring him back in a second. We need another lefty in the rotation and he absolutely murders the Phillies, and who knows, maybe he’ll finally learn that pitcher’s mentality.
LOL 09believe… JJ and KROD wasnt enough for u???? hahaha
Does anyone know Dunn’s road/home splits off-hand? I’d be curious to know how he does in that Cincy band-box, vs. other parks.
Everyone check out Ken Davidoff’s new article. It’s pretty comical, “Manny feeling ignored in free-agent market”. LOL
Hey MetsFlip,
I think that was the problem, i keep refreshing the page but no new info for a while….
I am THRILLED though with our much improved bullpen
Phil, I understand how you feel but wouldn’t you agree that at this point a SOLID rotation of san./LOWE/Pelf/Maine/niese/marquis ..is more necssary than throwing that type of money at manny when we don’t even need him…this offense is good enough we were 2nd tied with the phillies for most runs in the NL and they won it all cuz of their pitching..add a Dunn in their and that would already give the line-up a boost …Lowe + Dunn ..a #2 like Lowe I feel is required
Coolpaperball
Ollie is like 35th in the majors in fastball velocity, that’s not terrible but it’s nothing special, definitely not excellent. And his fastball has excellent movement against lefties, against righties it moves way outside of the strike zone. You can just look at his stats to tell the difference, his k/bb vs righties is 1.31 against lefties its 3.94.
metsflip: I like q’s. :) Yeah, this is what happens in my dreams, except Pujols is pitching instead of Niese.
therealsince86: Maybe we can just get Lowe. It’d still be solid, but I want to make sure we at least get into the postseason this year. Two years of high expectations with nothing to show for it makes me depressed.
oleosmirf: What if that reliever is the difference between postseason and not?
I know im just messin with ya 09believe…
I just cant get enough too!
So, is the consensus that even if we get Marquis that Omar will still be going after a top tier pitcher?
It is addicting, can’t wait for the season to start!!!
FelixMilliam: theyre pretty much the same stats…
ollie def killed the phillies this year, that’s for sure. But I still haven’t seen any evidence he’s learned any other mentality than the one that so frustrates us too often.
That said, I’d be down for three. But that won’t happen.
Also you’re right his slider is nearly unhittable when it’s on. The problem is his fastball isn’t, and a okay fastball, which he never has control over and a plus slider is nasty stuff for a reliever. For a starting pitcher it’s mediocre.
Gina,
Ollies is consistently at 92-94 on his fast ball. He usually starts off a game around 90-92 until he gets into a groove so that he doesn’t start off the game overthrowing. Then as he settles in, he eventually gets to 94.
That’s true, Fred. Pitching wins championships. I have been going back and forth on this one all offseason and still am in debate. I just feel that the window of opportunity is upon us and we need to take advantage.
I think we need a guy thats a decent all around player. In that I see Eric Byrnes. You can say what you want about injury, but if you look closly its not like he’s “injury prone” like a Pedro or Pavano, its when he plays the game hard that, well things happen. He doesn’t WOW you with anything, but there is no flaw to his game. You could get an all power, nothing else in Dunn. Or get speed, defense and no offense in Pierre but Byrnes has all the tools.:
-Good defense
- Speed
- Decent average, RBI, gets on base and Home Run production.
- Can/has batted anywhere in the line-up.
Not to mention he’s availible and great firey guy(which usually I do not value at all) for the club house which people usually like, while under contract for only 2 years to a reasonable deal.
jamie: The whole Mets TEAM owned the Phils this year… then again it didnt matter…
I wouldn’t be disappointed if Ollie came back, he’s got good stuff, he just needs to work on it a little more and maybe with a spring training of Warthen it could help out, but Lowe would be great 2 although it doesn’t seem like we’ll be getting him
Woah, Gina. How the hell did you respond to my post before I posted it???? (The Twilight Zone music please.)
swingers31 my proof is the playoffs and his performance against above .500 teams. jamie, coolpapabell you’re absolutely right and last season it seemed that he was trying to improve what makes him mediocore
this year, dunn was actually better on the road
flip, I was replying to darkstar’s post about ollie.
man, I can’t wait til we can thread comments again. this format su-cks
QUESTION:
Will Putz wear #20?
jamie: I know i was just butting in LOL
Sorry Coupons but stats will tell you that given the same amount of AB’s Castillo would get on base MORE than Pierre. Pierre can’t field and cost a lot of money. He should not hit anywhere near 2nd in the lineup. If Castillo was gone and he was here I would hit him where i would Castillo, 9th.
Not to mention I am sure you are one of those that thinks signing Hudson would be a good thing to replace Castillo.
So then you have just paid 8 million to Pierre not to hit and another 12 million to Hudson to barely hit. Spend that extra 14 million on a real difference maker and leave Castillo alone for now.
Still with the Juan Pierre nonsense. We just got two closers for our bullpen. And now people want to undo all that good work by putting a giant hole in the line-up. I don’t know what magical fantasy land you people live in where Juan Pierre is good. I imagine everything is backwards there. Up is down. Left is right. Fifty steals and a 73 OPS+ constitute consistent production. Please snap out of it.
A fastball that sits in the mid 90’s particularly 94 and reaches 96 when his juices are flowing is considered very good. Some may call it excellent like some might call it meciocre. Lets not get caught up in superlatives.
By the way I think you misspelled my srceen name. I am sure it was a type-o.
The splits that you posted are interesting and Sonnastine on would be a better option factoring in Ollies unreasonable demands, but Ollies on a three deal $12M, I would take that and watch his K’s sit amognst the upper teir of starters and pray for concentration.
The points you made about his fastball against righties is in
So many feels left out, hmm. Again time for my 5/95 deal. That should get him going again. 3 yeas guarnteed and 2 option years.
3/50 with 2 option years of 22.5 each. The first option has a 10 million dollar buyout meaning that if we let him go he would have gotten 3/60. 2nd option year would have a 7.5 million buyout meanting we would have gotten him for 4/80. That should work.
report by heyman saying peavy is frustrated with the non trade yet. this may push the marquis deal quicker then we exepct
since Lowe, Sheets and Manny are prob not coming here this is the team this is what i would like to see
1) if Lowe or Sheets is not available you do this:
sign Abreu on a 1-2 year deal.
sign Cordero or Eddie on a 1 year deal
sign Garland on a 1-2 year deal
trade Show for Marquis
2) if we can get Sheets or Lowe then forget Abreu and Garland and sign Eckstein to platoon with Castillo
I must have watched a different Perez last year. Because the one I saw lived around 90 for his FB and could maybe get it to 93.
thereal,I hear you but i just think that option is the best one out of all the latest castillo swaps that is..And I’m not for Hudson that could be another castillo contract in the making..what about the old Guillen rumor?
oh wow I did mispell it. the ball part was a typo, I actually have been reading the papa part as paper the whole time you’ve been posting here though.
Also do you mean 12 million per? Even that I think is overpaying, especially when you factor in the loss of draft picks.
Why can’t we get Manny? The market is just not there.
I was totally against it before but now I think it may end up being a bargain.
Not a big fan of the Gullien trade either unless we can’t get another OF He makes more money than Castillo and I am not sure that he makes the team any better than Murphy/Tatis.
I don’t like Castillo but it’s 2B. Sign Grudzy to go with Castillo and if he is still not doing anything then try and eat half his contract in a trade for a BP arm. If that does not work just release him.
Not a bad guy to have as your #5, gives us inning and will keep us in some games. Plus he can hit a little lol. Wouldn’t mind having him to push Niese in spring training. But I still want Ollie back, He’s young and a lefty I still think that he can improve. He showed improvement after Warthen took over as the pitching coach and let him go back to doing some of the things that he felt comfortable doing. Lets see what he can do under more tutelage from Warthen. Id rather have him than the much older Derek Lowe or the perennial DL case that is Sheets.
it’s gonna be january before we find out what it takes to get manny, maybe longer.
trs86
i would love Manny i just dont see it happening.
he’s everything this team needs though…
manny just threatened to retire if the right offer does not come soon.. lol manny being manny
90? I know when we got him from the Pirates his velocity was down due to some variations in his delivery that the Pirates staff forced him to adopt. Peterson got him off of it and his velocity came back. Not consistent 97 like it used to be.
I should go check game tracks though to keep myself honest.
@ IWantManny/KRod4Christmas
What does the Cubs trading Marquis have to do with trading with SD for Peavy.
For everyone who forgot what Manny did last season, go check out the video clips from his player profile on the Dodger’s team website. The man literally told the team follow me and I’ll take you to the promise land.
I feel like we don’t need Man-Ram..with Lowe Boosting up the rotation and the bullpen mostly set., all thats left is a move like Dunn
@FreddieC.
do you have info about Lowe that the rest of us don’t have? Did Omar tender him an offer?
after Degado’s option was picked up, i felt as if he would be in some type of package for a starting pitcher..i guess i was wrong .. but he would be good for a DH role
I think Manny is very possible. We will see what happens. Lowe for the same money that we could get Manny for? No thanks.
I would rather have Marquis Manny then Dunn Lowe.
Peavy’s agent now says “no list of approved teams” to the Padres GM, “just approach us with a trade.” A door just opened.
manny gives the mets everything they were lacking on offense last season.
wright, reyes, beltran, delgado couldnt carry this team the last 2 seasons but add Manny to the mix and you have a deadly lineup from 1-6.
thereal,same as manny ? how much you think he’s going to go for?
Even when you don’t feel good, and you still get hits. You know you’re a bad man.
- Manny Ramirez
Manny crushes in this lineup.
I honestly don’t mind selling what’s left of teh farm for peavy, if it’s at all possible to get him. we;ve got 3 years left of a championship-ability core peaking. Get Peavy.
Are you talking about Perez?
According to fangraphs, his velocity was down when we got him from the pirates, but according to them it was down to, on avg, 89 and we got him up to 91.
the slider, it has been said the cubs want to move marquis so they can have room for peavy
I think 5/95 does it for Manny and that’s with option years. Lowe on the other hand is out of control and it may take at LEAST 4/72 maybe 4/80. By the time you do that and pay Dunn you have spent more than What Manny and Marquis would cost.
Some don’t say it be’s like that but it do
-Oscar Gamble
One of my all time favorite baseball quotes.
And I would check in on Peavy.
Fmart, Niese and Murphy and lower prospects for Giles and Peavy. See if that gets it done, if not we tried.
I think the rotation is more of a concern than the line-up..maine is coming off of surgery,pelfrey showed a lot last year but was that enough?, Perez looks like he’s coming back -yay- …so with that being said,Lowe is a no brainer.Manny is more of a Luxury
Peavy
2009 – $8 mil
2010 – $15
2011 – $16
2012 – $17
2013 – $22 club option, $4 mil buyout
A$$suming we had the players to offer, does the money fit?
we cant deplete our entire farm system for Jake Peavy.
I think Jake likes NYC..so I wouldn’t even go there
It’s been so long I can’t remember anymore. What is it that the Padres want for Peavy?
According to Peavy’s agent he’s frustrated by having not been traded yet, and the Padres are desperate to get him off the books. I don’t think Peavy can just flat out reject NYC at this stage, given that his preferred 2 destinations Atlanta & Chicago are (at least allegedly) out of the mix.
I’ve never refreshed a page so many times in my life!
Obviously we need a starter more than Manny. But that does not mean we should vastly overpay for one in this terrible market. Again, Manny+Marquis would produce better results as a hole than Lowe+Dunn.
How many more wins does Lowe get you over Marquis? 4? How many more wins does Manny get you over Dunn? 6-8?
correction: I think jake DOESN’t like NYc ..sorry
And yes Digger the money fits just fine. It’s much cheaper than what Lowe or Burnett wants.
And Putz does not want to setup. i am sure at this point Peavy would take coming to a team with Johan, Krod, Putz, Wright, Beltran and Reyes.
And why can’t you empty the farm for Peavy? He’s just that good.
Johan Peavy and Krod Putz? Besides we really don’t have as big of a window to win as most on here are saying
Wasn’t minaya talking to Boras today? anyone know what went down?
Good News…Marquis’ splits are encouraging…5.53 era in that band box and 3.46 era on the road…i hope this gets done for the 5th spot and then we get ollie
Peavy’s ‘09 $8 mil salary also would allow the Mets to make a big, bold, short term offer to a big bopper LF.
not to mention 10 hrs at home and 5 on the road
Yeah, he went up to the low 90’s and his velocity continued to increase the year after.
BkzMetsFan
Right there with you on the refresh page comment. Not loving this new format either. And what the heck is “your comment is awaiting moderation” I just got that one, has my comment been drinking?.
thereal,his agent said that..but Omar spoke to him and he’s happy so it’s not all that clear but i would love to have Peavy though not to sure if want to give the farm away just like that…what would it take fmart,flores,niese,gee,holt? ..that might be a lot
jake peavy is a great pitcher but so is Ben Sheets. why not lose a draft pick and spend the money to get Sheets and keep the top prospects.
I dont think Peavy is that much better where the Mets should deplete the farm system just to save 5 mil a season
Perez FB was 91.2 this year. That’s hardly mid 90’s touching high 90’s. In fact his FB was right in line with Santana’s, Pelfrey’s, and Maine’s. They all 3 top out at about the same speed. What’s kind of funny is at age 106 Randy Johnson’s is still 91.
what’s Sheets at right now 2yrs 34?
My point about Putz was that we have no idea if Peavy wants to pitch in NY or hates NY.
And as I said, I would offer Fmart, Niese, Murphy and lower prospects for Peavy. If that did not get it done then move on.
As for Sheets. Sheets is a good pitcher but he is no Peavy, especially considering Sheets can’t seem to stay healthy.
I am not sure what Sheets is right now. Last we heard was 2/32 I think. That’s not bad at all but he won’t sign until he figures out what the Yankee’s are going to do. I would offer him 3/42 and see if he bites because of the extra year.
you guys have to stop talking ab peavy…there is nothing there…and id sheets is at more of 2 yrs 30 or 3 yrs 39-42
I liek the idea on punting for a 1a type pitcher, brining in Sheets then trying for Dan Haren next year.
Sorry
Punt this year. Take Sheets, then sign Haren next year.
Dan Haren signed an extension earlier this year…
I love how people come on here and tell us to stop talking so and so because it’s not going to happen. Like the ones that said we were not getting Santana or the ones who said that we would not get Krod and Putz.
We have no idea how this crazy offseason is going to play out so just back off and let us have some fun.
Peavy’s agent threw away the list of approved teams, there used to be nothing there, now there is something, however small, there.
so we’re paving the way for the Cubs to get a front line of
-Zambrano
-Peavy
-Harden
-Dempster
Slightly counterproductive to me. Keep Scottie to block the trade…for now…
You can’t as sume the Cubs will get Peavy and not get a cheap #5 because of it. The Cubs are interested in Randy Johnson as well.
Heyman flatly said, ‘No,’ when asked if the Mets will go after free-agent OF Manny Ramirez, adding, ‘I just don’t think they wilpons want him on their team.”
i can deal with marquis as long as schoeneweis goes and the cubs pick up a lot of the contract so that he can be traded if the mets can get upgrades to the rotation
Without any hope for Peavy, Sheets or Lowe would be my choices but I see little hope for Lowe @ a reasonable price, and Sheets is talented but the injuries are scary. If Peavy is at all possible, he’s 3 years younger than Sheets, has a better career ERA & WHIP, and is already signed @ less than what Lowe’s likely to get through 2012.
Those of you who are saying get Dan Haren next year actually mean Rich Harden right?
So there is no chance we will get Manny becaue Heyman said so? We will see.
thereal…those other names were mentioned as possible trade targets…We Just traded 7! guys for Putz and the padres are looking for a 6 or 7 for 1 deal…and on top of that he doesn’t want to come to NY…I’m just trying to be realistic is all…we need to keep some type of farm system
Heyman is a quack, like I said before this is the same guy who said the Putz deal was unrealistic and too good to be true.
He just repeats what he hears and adds his BS touch to it.
I think Minaya wants Manny but the Wilpons don’t :o Personally, i care not who we get as long as we win.
FSMetfan
I agree that Peavy WAS unrealistic, until I read this quote from his agent that was just published about an hour ago:
“Axelrod gave Towers guidance with the list of five that also included the Dodgers, Cardinals and Astros (plus Braves & Cubs). But he is under no obligation to provide pre-approved lists.
“If they come to us with a trade now, we’ll consider it. But there won’t be any more lists,” Axelrod said. “No, we’re done with that.””
-From Heyman’s blog on SI
We need a new post Mathew :( something any thing!
fair enough
My vote is to trade for Marquis now. Slot him into the 5th spot and move Niese to minors for more seasoning as 6th starter. Sign Wolfe as #3 for 2nd left handed starter. Live with Marquis for this year, he only has one year left on his 3 year contract. Then next year break the bank in replacing him with Doc Halliday who will be a free agent. Think of that 1-2 punch Santana & Halliday.
What would you guys think of bringing in Smoltz? He “appears” to be healthy and would play in NY. Guy still has dynamite stuff and might come cheap.
I wouldn’t worry about who the Cubs have in their rotation. Come on its the Cubs.
Peck,
Smoltz is looking for around 10 Mil for a year.
Halladay isn’t a free agent until 2010
I’d bet money on us getting Lowe at this point, given everything I’ve read on ESPN…
I wouldn’t mind Smoltz but i think we’ll have to sign Glavine too so he will still have a golf buddy. Unless we keep Schoenweiss :o
In a vacuum, I’d be fine with Smoltz, but the bitter taste of Glavine clouds my thinking about acquiring another of the Braves’ “big 3.”
Don’t know how much stock you might put in such things, but allegedly Chipper Jones periodically posts on the Atlanta Journal Constitution’s Braves blog as “U Know Who” and was on there yesterday to quash the Smoltz to Mets rumor. “U Know Who” stated it would never happen.
Wait Smoltz wants 10 million? forget it
Sorry incorrectly thought when he signed a 3 year deal in 2006 he was available after next year.
I like the Wolf idea. Lefty guy who is not that old and should be cheaper with less commitment. His K/9 rate is a lot higher than most expect.
Johan, Pelfrey, Maine, Wolf, Marquis would be good enough for this year and would leave us money to upgrade the offense some as well.
oh i didn’t know he was looking for that much, considering the huge question mark. maybe we could structure it so it’d be $10 million with incentives, and about half that for the base salary.
Given Lowe’s stats away from Dodger Stadium the last two seasons (e.r.a well over 4 and a whip over 1.35), I could not endorse 17 or 18 mil a year, never mind 4 years.
Ok no i dont like this trade. I LOVE ben sheets. what is wrong with him. he would accept a 2 year deal. if he happens to get hurt like all of you think it is only 2 year deal give him 15million per year i mean i would take him over lowe marquis johnson smoltz over all of them he is my #1 pitcher i would love to see him
sylar what are you reading on espn
metsrmyboys, Marquis has nothing to do with our pursuit of a #2 pitcher. He would be around 6-8 million for 1 year and would allow Niese to stay in AAA.
15 million for sheets might be too much. maybe 11-12 million plus incentives?
I would easily go 3/42 for Sheets to lock it down.
yeah this would be a great acquisition for a 5th starter…think of what the mets have had to go through the last few years with theyre 5th starters…all garbage…this would be a way to get a guy that will stay there and throw 200 ip
What is Wolf looking to get in a contract?
From Stark:
“Lowe’s market didn’t exactly collapse this week. It just seemed that way — but only because it was obviously overblown by Boras’ leak squad in the first place.
It’s now apparent that neither the Phillies nor the Red Sox made an offer at all. And they no longer seem any more than mildly interested.
The Yankees are still an option — but maybe not for long. If Burnett and Andy Pettitte say yes to offers already on the table, the Yankees are out. And although the Mets maintain interest, it appears they want no part of the four-year, $72 million price tag Boras was tossing out there early on. But there’s a scenario in the making in which they become the last serious bidder standing. So maybe this will turn out to be Omar Minaya’s lucky winter.”
Keith Law in his chat predicted the Mets would get Lowe, if the Yanks got Burnett.
It’s not much. But it’s better than something…
Maybe we could get Lowe for 3/45?
4 years, 18 million per year for Lowe is actually hysterical.
thanks…i’d give lowe 3/45 with and an option to bring it up to 4/60…i like him a lot and itll give us a legit rotation…and if you want to really like lowe look at his last 10 games pitched last season…
Maybe with the option year making it 4/60 that would get it done? I just don’t know about giving him any more.
his lst 10 games pitched lowered his era a full run…he was 6-1 with a 1.27…hes getting so much more money bc of this
Lowe is a very good pitcher and has every right to ask for 15 million per considering the market. He’s as good as AJ Burnett. It’d be great to add him to Johan/Pelf.
1. Johan
2. Lowe
3. Pelfrey
4. Maine
5. Marquis
With Niese in AAA as a fill-in starter. I’d sign up for that.
You could say Lowe’s numbers were inflated by his ridiculous Septmber….
However, you could also say they were deflated by his horrid May
ERA by Month:
April- 2.88
May- 6.11
June- 2.81
July- 3.06
August- 3.65
September- 0.59
Pretty consistent…
You guys with all this talk about Sheets… Yeah the guy is nasty when he’s on but I Just can’t let myself fell delusional enough to believe that he’s an accident waiting to happen. Its a pipe dream. He’s always going to be hurt. He’ll be another Pedro and we’ll spend more time waiting and hoping for him to return to the rotation and wishing about “what could be” than watching him throw a gem.
the search for a starter i think will drag out
derek lowe would be a great #2 starter for us. i’d even give him 4 years b/c by the time 2012 comes along Niese and Pelfrey should have emerged as solid #2-3 starters and there would be no need for Derek Lowe to be great.
as long as Derek Lowe is as good as he was last season in 09 and 10 then as long as he stays healthy and effective it doesnt really matter how good he is in 11 and 12
Look at these remaining top arms in the FA market:
Burnett and Sheets – they’ll spend close to 40% of their contract time – i.e. salaries – on the DL.
Lowe: still good but possibly on the downside of his career at 36. The only clutch guy in the bunch.
You can see why Sabathia got what he did. The market right now is still nuts.
Damn Halliday is going to make some dough.
i’d give lowe the money, but not the years: 3 years, $54m
it’s too much, but he’s solid and pitches well under pressure.
83 play innings with a 3.33era is quite good. he was amazing in 2004: 3-0 1.86 in the title win
Lowe wants 5 years. Wilpon ain’t giving him 5 years.
End of story.
No one will give Lowe 5 years
the slider
k-rod wanted 5-75, Omar got him signed at 3-37
if the yankees and red sox dont want Lowe then the Mets are next in line to sign him
id go up to 4-65 but 3-50 with an option is what i would push for
we got a #2 in maine
You must be out of your mind of you think Maine is the #2.
I hope you were kidding.
if*
John Maine is just not that good. He’s a nice guy to have but he is a 3 at best, and more likely a 4.
maine might not be as good as we once thought but i’m gonna still give him another year to see…he was pitching hurt last year
maine a #2 no but if healthy he is a fine #4 and a terrific #5
I dont like Marquis. I would rather the mets go out and sign 2 from lowe, sheets and garland. All 3 are better options. His ERA is close to 5.00, in the national league.
y’all should check out philliesnation.com and read this blog about what Hammels said today. These fools over there are retarded
So who is going to help me start the ‘GET MANNY’ campaign?
Can’t we just sign a few thugs like Sheffield and Guillen to put some toughness into this team? I want to see that mullet wearing redneck as$ hat Hamels on the ground this spring, a well as that efette, phony surfer dude Utley. Its time for them to go down.
I agree with a 3 @ 50 idea for lowe, but maybe add an easily attainable 4th yr option, like in k rod’s contract.
I’d love to see Omar sign Manny, but there’s too much $ involved. One guy who is an interesting thought is Burrell, who would love to stick it to his old team. But, he’d only be a good option if somehow he came cheap.
I’m about 90% sure that Ollie will be a Met in 09, which is fine by me. 3/40
NYCESQ, sorry, I’m too busy with the tex4mets campaign.
Good Luck!
Lowe would be ideal, but I’ll be content with Ollie. However, I would like to see us build up the relief corps and starting staff in Buffalo, just in case we have multiple injuries, a la ‘06 and ‘08.
I agree Lowe for a 3 yr contract would be ideal! I’ve followed Marquis for the past two years and he is pretty hit or miss…reminds me of a 2007 Oliver Perez…don’t get me wrong I want to have Ollie back in 09′..and we will most probably end up signing him and Pedro to a 2 yr contract. Screw..bringing Manny to Citifield how about Michael Young as our 2nd baseman that would be friggin’ A!
I think Maine is being way overated by the fans and the orginazation. He is at best a number4 starter. The unfortunate thing is there arent many great pitchers to choose from through free agency this offseason to be our number 2 or 3 SP’s (depending on whether you consider Pelfrey a #2 yet. I dont. He is a #3 now I think). So I would suggest signing Lowe AND Sheets. Lowe is a legit # 3 SP and Sheets if healthy is a legit # 2 SP. Then Neise can be in the minors ready in case of injury. A rotatioin of Santana/Sheets/Lowe/Pelfrey/Maine would be WS caliber and I would be willing to stick with the current offense in order to use the available payroll to afford this rotation. Its proven that pitching wins and with the new bullpen (and hopefully adding C. Cordero) along with my proposed rotation, and a line-up that scored more than enough runs last season we win it all I think.
Alex Cora to be the next Damian Easley :o
I’ll join the get Manny campaigne… the man is clutch
OK, finish this up now Omar.
Sign Sheets. How about 2/30 guaranteed, and easy vesting option for year 3/4 (say, 325 innings in years 1+2 or 150 in year 2?. Push the deal to 4/60 if he stays reasonably healthy.
Sign Guardado to finish the pen
get marquis for nothing (schoe?) @6mill/1 year.
Neise gets to be the 6th man in the rotation. Which IMO will be very, very strong.
Trade for Molina. Ship out Schneider (or Castro if ou can get better value).
Sign Rivera for LF/platoon/coverage for church.
The biggie, trade Delgado if you can get a young 2B of the future (starting in 2009!) or another valuable part.
Then either use murphy/tex at 1B, or if they feel rich (and these are all cheap moves I propose), make a run at Tex and become dominant.
Plan B, make a run at Rios (cold Delgado be part of that?)
Anyway, best thing about my plan, not too much invested ($ or years), and you keep the prospects to build for rep0lacements, or future deals (say at the deadline)
Stick guy, I think you might be offering too much to Sheets. COnsidering his health concerns I do not think I team even has to offer a 3rd/4th year. My guess would be that he would rather have the 2 year deal because if he stays healthy enough to get vested in that contract you proposed, he probably wouldd do better for himself in the free agent market after he proves he can stay healthy.
just seems like the FA SP market is nuts (OK< make that the yanks are nuts! But they are setting the market).
So, it is possible that some team will give him the 3 years, so the option is a reasonable compromise.
Make it a player option, but only executable if he hits the innings #. That way every one is covered (mets if he can’t pitch, Sheets if he is a stud ace).
2/30 guaranteed, 15 million player option for year 3.
And 1 more huge hole filled.
The Phaggut Phils just Acquired Ibanez on a 3 year deal
NO! Really?
I really liked Ibanez. Ok, not it is confirmed. I am really starting this ‘Get Manny’ Campaign. Who is coming with me (Picture Jerry Maguire)?
We need to setup a rally outside citi field for MANNY Ramirez
Good signing for the Phils.
It’s on the front page of ESPN if anyone’s interested.
I’d rather have Burrell.
I’m all for the “GET MANNY” campaign outside Citi Field in front of the offices
i cant believe the loser mentality that thinks old man ibanez is a good fit. he is a LEFTY! he is just another schlub that WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE…and would just help lock up second place. SIGN MANNY AND GO TO THE WORLD SERIES!! its a no brainer…why is that so difficult for the losers to understand????
Matt Cerrone must be sleeping since he hasnt updated since last night… LOL
he had no sleep this week.
But once you wake up you should put a GET MANNY CRY
MANNY MANNY MANNY MANNY MANNY
The funny thing about setting up a rally is the event that 10 people show up. It would be pretty comical. All of my posts will end with…
Get Manny 09′.
that would be funny but there has to be a way that SNY holds one of those outdoor events in which we all show up with GET MANNY signs.
GET MANNY ‘09
Phils signed Ibanez 3 years 30 mill
we gotta get matt to start something up in this blog but i dont think he wants him. maybe craig carton can help us.
GET MANNY 09′
Santana will dominate there left handed lineup…Mets NEED to bring back Ollie or sign Derek Lowe….I think they should still go after Orlando Hudson or an OF…Hudson would bring leadership to the clubhouse…problem is Luis Casillo horrible contract…Id go after abreu now that Ibanez is gone and we cant sign Hudson because of Castillo
OMAR, give MANNY 2 years for 50 and an option 3rd year
Manny is Crazy. I dont know if I would spend that on him
If the Mets don’t sign Tex, I might join your GET MANNY 09 campaign.
TEX4M4ETS, just makes more sense. It’s about thinking long term not just 09.
At least we won’t be seeing Ibanez in LF, sorry Kingman (watch him be the next Met Killer :)
WE WANT MANNY!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU CAN THEN CALL IT AN OFFSEASON AS PER THE OFFENSE
GET MANNY ‘09
mmill, yeah manny is crazy like a fox! plus he is the best hitter in this galaxy. and he is better shape than 90% of the other mlb players…MUCH younger than his age. he’s no moises AARP!
Why do people not understand that Hudson is just Castillo wanting more money? He’s not that good and for sure not worth 4/48.
Now on to Ibanez, 3/30 is what he signed for. Very reasonable for a guy that hits as well as he does. He will be a problem for us next season.
We have to upgrade the offense in LF. I don’t want a platoon there. All of you that are counting on 3 things to happen, I will be here in July when they have not and we are trying to fix the mess.
1) If you think Delgado will be .275 35 100+ again.
2) If you think Tatis was anything more than a 1 year wonder.
3) If you think that Daniel Murphy is the 2nd coming.
You could add a 4 if you think that Church will just be the 1st half Church.
That is too many question marks on offense for me. Do I think all of those things will happen? No but all it takes is 2/4 to sink a season.
Get a real everyday bat for LF. Of course at this point I would like Manny but I don’t care. Get Abreu, Burrell, Dunn, Rivera, Bradley. You have to up grade somewhere. Go get Molina to replace Church but we have to have more offense from somewhere.
Message to all:
There’s this great place on the corner of 51st Street and 6th Avenue. It’s called the SNY studio. There’s always someone broadcasting at 5:00 PM when I leave work (I work down the block). Even if 10 of us showed up outside the SNY studio window with large signs which read “GET MANNY ‘09″ it would make a decent splash. Here’s the catch. We’d need to put “MetsBlog” on the bottom of the signs in small lettering. We must show that we’re educated Mets fans.
I’ve been knocking getting Manny for a while but I think it’s time for Omar to really explore the option.
I said it last night and will say it again. Manny + Marquis is better than Lowe + Abreu/Dunn and maybe cheaper.
Castillo’s 6 million/year isn’t going to prevent the mets from making another move if it presents itself. I know the Mets don’t normally, but he could be released.
Most likely they give him a chance, and if he rebounds a bit, he will be the 2B. There is a chance they unload him still (eat 1 year of the deal? That’s 2mill/year). Just as likely he gets hurt and resolves the problem that way.
Blowing out a knee and retiring has the same effect as cutting him. Pay to not play!
Last year, they paid 2 guys more than Luis gets to not play, so there is a precedence..
ANd Hudson is not enough of an upgrade to make it worth the investment, especially if it means not filling another hole.
Sheets + Castillo > garland or marquis + Hudson, for ex.
For anyone who didn’t hear Joe Benigno on SNY yesterday or who did but never really digested it…In regards to Manny Ramirez.
He said that Manny would be a lighting rod here in New York- which is EXACTLY what this lineup needs. Far to much pressure on some of these guys, especially Beltran. Beltran has a 0-4 night, he’s shadowed by Manny’s 3-4 night. The pressure, again, would be off and that would open a world of oppurtunity for Reyes, Castillo, Wright, Delgado, Beltran, Church, etc etc etc.
I say we sign the guy. The only problem is would be LF. Tatis and Murphy are favorites, but no where to put them. If we added Manny, could we possibly look to trade Delgado in fear of a mega slump repeat? Do it now while his stock is high. That would open up first for Murph. All that’s left is Tatis to spot start. Jeremey Reed for Manny after the 8th for defense.
Thoughts?
Yes, Get Manny, hes an idiot but he is a hell of a hitter. Also I believe the Tigers want to dump Dontrelle Willis contract, I think they still owe him like $28 Million or something like that. So why dont we trade them Castillo $18 Million, and Schoeneweis about $4 Million, therefore they give the Tigers a little payroll relief and maybe a change of scenery for Dontrelle will help him out and we can throw him in the rotation.
EVERYBODY PLEASE FINISH YOUR COMMENTS OFF BY LEAVING A GET MANNY 09 TAG AT THE END
GET MANNY 09
this just in phillies sign raul ibanez 3 years 30 million where was this deal minaya ok no ibanez please please get a power bat in left field this is not good news for us im hoping this signing pist minaya off and goes after a legit left fielder and ibanez was the only one other than manny ramirez so he better do something unless he wants to move on adam dunn which at this point i wont mind
Yes, Manny IS crazy, but not in a volatile way. There are different levels to craziness. There is Guillen-crazy, or even Winona Ryder-crazy, but Manny falls more into the Silly category.
On a serious note, he would take all the pressure off our stars. They would all have better seasons because of his presence. Take a look at what happened to Big Papi after Manny left. That was a very telling story. Signing him is just too obvious now. With Ibanez off the radar, this has to begin sending a clear message in that direction.
Get Manny 09′
You know what? SCREW IT.
I’ve been one of the most adamant anti-Manny people on Metsblog – I generally don’t want a player like that on my team.
But I want to pound the Phillies into the ground this season. They need to be taught a lesson.
Sign Lowe and Manny, trade for Marquis – and destroy the NL East in 2009.
TRS is spot on. But, the big concern of the 3, to me, is Delgado. he is one of the “core” guys they are counting on to supply most of the offense.
I still expect Omar to get another OF to at elast platoon with Murphy. Rivera would be ideal. I could likve with murph/church/rivera in a rotation. tatis really needs to be a bench player, and I think Omar knows that.
Getting Molina would also be a big upgrade (actually, I think you are channelling my post about 15 down!).
Rivera + molina would help solidify the offense. Burrell is Alou waiting to happen (ship the man to the AL).
Abreu? 1-2 years max, he would be OK. Even dunn is a legit stick.
Manny is the wildcard, but I really don’t see it.
Of course, Tex is the perfect peice. Trade Delgado. My new plan is Delgado for a young 2B and cut Castillo (if you can’t finally move him).
and, if it is a speed/leadoff guy, make Reyes the 2 hole hitter. I have decided it would be perfect for him.
I have to see a healthy Castillo before I can say Hudson isnt a major upgrade over him…The Mets do need another bat badly….I like perez back with the mets because he pitches well in big games. Yes, he is a rollercoaster but I would still take him AND get Marquis to eat up innings because perez is only good for 6 innings most of the time….I wouldnt mine dunn, abreu, or manny…screw burrell he cant move in the OF, im not saying dunn is much better but atleast hes a guarentee for 40 homers, and he can play 1B
WITH MANNY IN OUR SQUAD THE PHAAGUT PHILS WILL END IN 4TH PLACE. LMAO!!
GET MANNY ‘09
Hey Matt
According to Jason Starks from ESPN Raul Ibanez signed with the Phillies for 3 yrs
nick..I love that idea!
Dontrelle and Manny would definitely give this team a kick in the pants!
If we could sign Manny then trade Schnieder and Delgado we would actually be close to paying for Manny.
Ortiz was banged up too…if the sox get Tex, ortiz will have tex, bay behind him he will have a monster year if hes healthy…dont get me wrong manny is great. My brother is a sox fan and he still loves him…but for that amount of money? If the mets have it, why not? but if you bring him in bring pedro back so he can be the mediator in the mets clubhouse and explain what Manny being Manny is
thereal, you are correct about manny and marquis…they are waaaaaay beyyer. guys like abreau, ibanez, dunn, dye are just schlubs that would make NO DIFFERENCE in the standings.
If Lowe is really unattainable, and his contract demands apparently make it so,
then I would push the following plan
Re-Sign Olliver Perez
Sign Freddy Garcia
Sign Carl Pavano
THe last two on a some type of make good contracts that allow them to earn the spots with performance bonuses that pay them reasonable money for performance. Like $2M deals with $3M due at 100 innings $2M due at 150 innings and $1M due at 180 innings. Possible one year $8M deals for either of them…And if they hit the incentives maybe add a trigger for another year at the rate they end up in this year.
I do not want Wolf, Garland Marquis and I prefer to avoid the certainty of DL time for Sheets (who is the best free agent pitcher this offseason in terms of stuff other than CC and SMoltz)
prismo, I like the way you think (about the phils).
I would rather sign tex and sheets, and get Marquis. Bingo, done.
Oh, trade Delgado and shoot for a young 2B to replace Castillo!
Tex is hitting his prime, a better overall hitter probably, a plus defender, a solid guy (no drama) and healthy.
What ever happened to those 2 bad knees manny has (the ones that might have needed surgery until he left Boston?)
But, if he signs for the 2/45 offered(?) by the dodgers, OK. No more.
Tex is actually cheaper probably for the 2-3 years they overlap, and after that, you have a prime age hitter at what is liekly to be a reasonable contract value.
Ibanez is a nice upgrade over Burrell though. Now just have to hope his age catches up to him!
Forks28Attack, I’m not sure you should be quoting Joe Benigno, he’s too much of a Met fan to think straight.
What do you think would happen with Manny on the Mets?
Yeah, he’ll hit alot and take pressure off the other guys. However, he’ll look worse than Tatis or Murphy playing LF (it’s pretty big out there).
More importantly, he’s Manny and will do or say something stupid and break up any team mentality that exists (He’s sort of selfish).
Tex on the other hand gives you the same power in the lineup at a cheaper price and he’s a team guy with superb defense. He’s also a long term solution not a quick fix.
ibanez going to phillies is no good
lets match up the players
delgado – ryan howard-phillie advantage
castillo-chase utley-phillie advantage
church- werth- mets advantage but not taking credit away from werth he can play
wright- feliz- mets advantage
tatis/murphy- ibanez- phillies advantage
castro/scneider- ruiz/coste-phillies advantage
beltran/victorino – equal except for power
reyes/rollins- mets advantage
phillies are staking up against us with ibanez now and are younger we need to get a legit power left fielder not a small signing like rivera even though i like him. But now that htey have ibanez we cant play around our cathing posiotn is weak we just cant go with a platoon next season i pefer tatis helping church out and playing the bench
GET MANNY PLEASEEEEEEEE
forks is right. manny would make beltran MUCH better at the plate…much more than the 2006 delgado did
Can’t agree on Reyes, stickguy. And you know I have been on the Molia boat for 2 months. I like Rivera but I am still scared that we will have too many question marks. I want someone who is consistant. Like Ibanez or not, he is incredibly consistant. How many players do we have that are consistant?
someone on espn said last night that the mets dont have no players that have experience on a winning team except for beltran on that astro playoff season but that didnt count because he got put right in the middle of it and castillo winning with the marlins but he isnt the same player we need a winner to lead us to title and show the rest what it take to win
like manny or not the mans got many rings and can take us to the promise land
I hate lineup by lineup comparisons. They mean absolutely nothing. How does that help the Yankee’s every year? Go down the list with the Rays vs Sox and Yankees’/
I disagree on some points Eduardo
delgado – ryan howard- phillies +
castillo-chase utley- phillies ++
church- werth- lean mets
wright- feliz- mets ++
tatis/murphy- ibanez- phillies +
castro/scneider- ruiz/coste- bust
beltran/victorino – mets +
reyes/rollins- mets +
eduardo, don’t panic about the Phils.
For one thing, Utley is out for about 1/2 the year. And Felix is having back surgery.
the Mets are now actually younger overall than the Phils I think. and for sure if they unload Castillo.
Bring Back Ollie and Get Marquis
Santana
Pelfrey
Perez
Maine
Marquis
TRADE Castillo…..bring another bat or 2 in…there staff would be solid and deep if maine gets hurt u have Niese
im not nervous our boys always find ways to win i just want a legit left fielder and not settle for a guy like juan rivera who isnt a bad player but we have a guy like that in tatis and murphy plattooning and i really want tatis to platoon with church incase he cant hit off lefties and get an everyday left fielder thats y i really wanted ibanez but i dont know now maybe adam dunn bobby abreu would be good but hes lost in the outfield and i just dont want to see that guy running lost out there not worth the pain
I Ibanez is like 37 they signed him for 10 million a year I wouldnt have given him that…He is remarkably consistent, and this year he will probably hit 30+ in that park but what about the next 2 years? Perez and Santana will be great against that lineup…there best hitters are all left handed…I still think the mets should get a solid lefty middle reliver to pair with feliciano.
time to move in on miltion bradley he’s legit and can hit real well when he’s playing healthy and i pefer him going down a couple times on the DL then see abreu play for us this guy is a switch hitter and is a pure power hitter he’s our soultion in left field now that ibanez is gone mets should move in on him before the cubs do. Plus he can stay healthy giving him days off letting murphy and tatis play so he can last the whole season
milton is 30 years old and if i were the mets i would make him feel good about himself and give him the same contract the phillies gave ibanez 3 years 10 million a season i bet he would take it to be on a winner
Bradley is solid but hes a headcare I dont know if Omar would go that route…he was great last year but in a hitters friendly park
ranked 3rd in the al in BA (.321)
ranked 1st in al in OBP(.436)
Ranked 1st in AL in OPS(.999)
Ranked 10 in AL in BB(80)
Ranked 4th in AL IN SLG(.563)
hit over .300 off both lefties and righties especially .340 off lefties which we need
the 112 strikeouts to 80 walks is real good
22 bombs, 77 rbis, 32 doubles, 78 runs in 126 games is impressive and the mets are the type of team he fits in
Plus you talk about being a headache milton has matured alot last season analyts have said this past season and he cant be worst than how manny iwll act after he gets paid all his money plus miltons a switch hitter 30 years old and will get paid 15 million less than manny i think hes the soultion and leftfield is this guys position can it get any better if were not getting a switch hitter in mark texeria or a power hitter of manny miltion is the answer for the moment
dont get me wrong I would make him an offer…but look what happend in KC last year?
Sign Manny, Trade Castillo and Schoeneweis for Dontrelle Willis, Sign Hudson to play second base. Trade for Marquis. Sign Mark Prior, hes a free agent, what the heck give him 1 year with an option, let him rehab in the minors if he needs too.
Get Manny 09′
Eduardo brings up a good point about Milton Bradley. Who’s got more game than Milton Bradley anyway?
No I think he will be affordable, and he gives us an athletic consistent bat in the OF. Omar tends to like those time of guys, which leads me to wonder why he hasn’t at least kicked the tires. Bradley also has a lot of fire, and would more then likely break Cole Hamels in two next time he runs his mouth, but I digress.
Bradley is worth a look considering he is not garnering much attention, which translates into affordability.
we need a player like manny or bradley because those are the 1’s thats going to spark a fire in our clubhouse there not going to let the phillies talk trash there going to get in there faces and prove it on the field also my type of guys and we need more players with balls but manny is not looking like its going to happen so miltion is the right choice right now and please before santana convinces minaya to get abreu which would be horrible and i can see happening becasue you know how much minaya loves hispanic players i hope it doesnt though i hope someone’s telling minaya right now take a chance on milton pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
i said in a post a few days ago when the mets landed putz that they should now go after marquis as a #5 starter. i originally said it because the cubs needed to move him to get the peavy deal done so i thought the asking price would be low for him. even though those talks have died down between the cubs and pads, i’d still love to have marquis as a 5 starter, especially if it means getting rid of scho. if they can do that deal staright up i’d take it in an instant.
why does everyone want manny? i understand the man was an absolute monster at the end of last year for the dodgers. but if they sign him to anything more than a 1 year contract he’ll get bored will become a distraction. plus, his defense is beyond a liability. he is a DH at this point in his career. he hustled for the dodgers but i dont buy it. he cant play the field at all and while i’d love to throw him into the middle of the order, i’d rather take my chances with murphy and tatis in left.
I agree on signing Marquis…and re-signing Oliver Perez and Pedro Martinez (Pedro 1 yr contract) However, I dont agree on Dontrelle Willis I dont think the kid will ever be the same….and its easier said than done to get rid of Castillo…no one wants Castillo which is the sad thing. Like I said before if we could move Castillo I would aim at getting Mark Young (SS) to play 2nd base for us. That would improve our defense and power when it comes to the lineup.
Edit ***Michael Young** (SS) sorry
if we can add manny’s bat to th middle lineup it would be outstanding, caus th mets havnt been soo great w/ there bats wen they need tht 1 run and manny could giv it 2 em’!! C’mon Omar, just take em
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