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The Phillies and outfielder Raul Ibanez have 
agreed to a three-year, $30 million deal, reports Ken Rosenthal at FoxSports.com.
According to Rosenthal, and multiple reports throughout the week, the Mets, Cubs, Nationals and Angels had also expressed interest in signing Ibanez.
In November, ESPN’s Jayson Stark wrote that at least 12 teams had been interested, including every team in the NL East.
On Tuesday, Rosenthal wrote that members of the Mets front office had been spotted meeting with Ibanez’s agents at a restaurant inside the Bellagio.
Ibanez played in all 162 games this season, and hit .293 with 23 HR, 110 RBI and a .358 OBP.
He has hit at least .280 with 20 HR and a .350 OBP during each of the last four seasons with the Mariners.
Stark also quoted a team official as describing Ibanez by saying, “Character. Proven run producer. In better shape than a lot of 25-year-olds. And he’ll play hard every day, every game, every second he has the uniform on.”
In November, however, Rosenthal said Mets officials wanted to add ‘a right-handed bat,’ instead, adding, ‘The Mets are not high on Pat Burrell, and Ibanez is not an ideal fit.’
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I really do think we need to upgrade offensively… This is a terrific move for Philly…
LETS GET MANNY NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
GET MANNY 09
I can’t wait to watch Santana do WORK on this Phils lineup from the left side…
Maine, Pelf, Garland/Marquis though. Uhm..
Manny 09
Thank you philly for taking away the chance WE signed this guy and gave up a draft pick on him…lets move on
Ibanez should be an upgrade over Pat Burrell for them, although how much so remains to be seen given Ibanez’s age. It’s a good pickup for the Phils, but he really didn’t fit with what the Mets needed. How good is Ibanez really going to be in the third year of that contract?
Right now the Mets need concentrate on starting pitching. Then once that is settled, see how much you have left to fill out the lineup, bench,and bullpen.
Ideally, at least within the current payroll constraints, I think the Mets should add Perez at four years and Sheets at two. I would even do a Schoenweis for Marquis trade to add a sixth starter as insurance, if the Cubs were to pick up $3 million of Marquis’ contract.
After that, the Mets will need a utility infielder, and a right handed power bat. I would love for them to deal for Michael Young as well, but not at the cost of F-Mart and Niese.
Ibanez, is the anti-Manny!
Good character who’ll play hard every day!
This guy is going to kill us.
Sign Rivera and Tex.
The Phillies with this move are really forcing our hand. Get Manny and if he really is out of reach you have to get Dunn, Abreu or go with Rivera and Molina.
“The Phillies with this move are really forcing our hand”
That I totally agree with.
The Mets need to respond, and in a big way.
This signing may guarantee us to see oliver perez as a met most likely
ppl, RAUL IBANEZ is just NOT THAT GOOD!!!!
Alex, his numbers prove otherwise!!!
I think trading Schnieder for a prospect and then sending that prospect and some of our lesser known prospects for Molina would be a good move.
What if you could sign Manny and trade Delgado and prospects for Johnathan Sanchez and Molina? That would be a big addition.
Manny has no market aside from LA. He grew up in Washington Heights, and may be interested in playing at home. Omar has done an excellent job so far this offseason…Adding a top-mid rotation starter would be a great move, but I’d love to have a Manny under my x-mas tree
thereal, i dont know much about sanchez, but isnt he very similar to Ollie?
How can you say that Ibanez is just not that good? Who are you going to find on the market for 10 million a year that puts up his numbers? I did not think he really fit on the Mets but he for sure makes the Phillies better.
Good move for Philly. But he is not better than Burrell was for them.
Their future success will continue to depend solely on their bullpen success. Repeat last years performance and they will be in the hunt. Drop into a normal type season where the closer blows 6 saves…they will be no better than second in the division
Raul Ibanez is as bad defensively as he is offensively. He’s a freaking butcher.
They’ll wish they had any of the multitude of other free-agent outfielders on the market (I’m especially confused why it seems that Dunn is getting few offers).
^ is as bad defensively as he is good offensively.
I would rather sign tex and sheets, and get Marquis. Bingo, done.
Oh, trade Delgado and shoot for a young 2B to replace Castillo!
Tex is hitting his prime, a better overall hitter probably, a plus defender, a solid guy (no drama) and healthy.
What ever happened to those 2 bad knees manny has (the ones that might have needed surgery until he left Boston?)
But, if he signs for the 2/45 offered(?) by the dodgers, OK. No more.
Tex is actually cheaper probably for the 2-3 years they overlap, and after that, you have a prime age hitter at what is liekly to be a reasonable contract value.
Ibanez is a nice upgrade over Burrell though. Now just have to hope his age catches up to him!
But, if they can add rivera/molina, that is a significant upgrade over the production they got from those 2 spots last year.
Reyes
beltran
wright
delgado (yuck)
Molina
Rivera/murphy
church
castillo
is still a very deep, dangerous (well, at least 7 deep!) lineup.
Now, replace Castillo with a real bat (even muprhy!) and it goes 8 deep.
Replace Delgado with Tex and also replace Castillo and it is a juggernaut!
Omar is a start baseball mind. I think this has to sting a bit. Regardless if he was not the best fit, Ibanez was a target for the Mets. However, as much as I liked him, we do need a RH bat.
Get Manny 09′.
As for the Phillies LH heavy lineup, Oliver instantly becomes a more attractive option.
Since when is Ibanez the second coming of Willie Mays? Let’s calm down.
Now, go sign Manny.
Derange, how is he a butcher offensively?
If Manny would do three years 55 we “have to” get him.
Ibanez’s numbers are great..but we really didn’t have a space for him as a lefty…Delgado, Ibanez, Church, Schnieder all in a row??
I think we trade Delgado (Rays?), Murphy at first, plug him in after Reyes and sign Manny for LF.
Reyes-S
Murphy-L
Wright-R
Manny-R
Beltran-S
Church-L
Scheider-L
Castillo-S
Santana-L
Well it’s Burrell ( a met killer) for Ibanez………so whatever…………..just another lefty bat in their lineup and he is older………….he is a good hitter though but I really didnt care if the Mets got him
Can we stop with the Manny talk IT IS NOT HAPPENING. The owner ship does not like him and will not sign him. I f you read the Beerleaguer site fans arent to thrilled with getting Ibanez.
NYMETSFAN, yes just cheaper and we would get to keep our 2 picks from Ollie.
Reyes,Murphy, Wright, Manny, Beltran, Church, Molina, Pitcher, Castillo
That’s a nice lineup.
Johan, Pelfrey, Maine, Sanchez, Marquis would be a decent rotation.
Manny +25
Marquis +5
Molina +8
Schnieder -5+
Delgado -12
That adds only 21 million to our current payroll.
He’s one of those LH hitter who hit better against LH pitchers last year, but they very well may have problems in yr 2 or 3 of this deal. I have pointed out that both Tatis and Murphy had a better OPS than Ibanez last year, so “forcing our hand”?? Im not sure. Sounds like the Phils havent really upgraded, just moved sideways.
Sure he is a left handed hitter, but the guy hit.305 and had an OBP of .371 vs lefties in 200AB, so the fact that he is a lefty is way overblown.
Again, as I’ve said on other threads. If you are a proponent of getting Manny, just add “Get Manny 09′” to the end of your post.
Get Manny 09′.
TBLz, your talking about 653 ABs for Ibanez to much much less for tatis and murphy.
NYMETSFAN718: I typoed. He’s pretty good offensively, but his defense is horrible.
Just say no to Manny!
We are fine in LF with Murphy and Evans.
Offense isn’t a problem, we were tied for the second most in the NL last year.
Pitching pitching pitching
in terms of age, years, defense, and what side of the plate he works from, yes, this is a terrible deal for the Phils.
but in terms of offense, and his ability to get get on base and produce runs, this is a terrible signing for us. to quote beerleaguer: “over his entire career and certainly over the past several seasons, he’s a dramatically better hitter with men on base and RISP. In fact, if you wanted to make a statistical argument that clutch hitting really exists, Ibanez would be one of the few examples you could use. For his career he’s a .272/.328/.456/.784 hitter with bases empty and a .305/.380./.493/.873 hitter with RISP. In recent years these splits have been a lot bigger – in ‘06 he hit .337 with a 1.050 OPS with RISP, as opposed to a pedestrian .825 OPS with bases empty, in ‘07 .980 OPS with RISP, just .725 with bases empty, and in ‘08 .877 OPS with RISP, .907 with men on, just .764 with bases empty”.
The one thing that defined the Phils last season was their ability to come through in the clutch, and this just augmented that skill.
Derange, ok, then i agree with you
The Giants need a Power bat from the left side- wouldn’t Delgado fit nicely out there?
What are the chances of us sending Schneider and Delgado and Minor Leaguer to San Fran for Molina and a 3/4/5 SP?
Ibanez – 635 AB
Tatis+Murphy – 404 AB
ravi3, Omar’s done a good job not overspending and getting the players that make the most sense. He’s not Brian Cashman and Jeff Wilpon isn’t a Steinbrenner.
Don’t you guys wonder why Manny isn’t getting a lot of offers? There’s a reason.
Look at Tex on the other hand. Even teams like the Orioles and Nationals are willing to spend big on him. Why? Because he’s young, a good hitter and defender and a good clubhouse guy.
About 150-200 ABs less, you’re right, But are we going to say that if all of Evan’s or Anderson’s LF ABs were given to Tatis and or Murph, that they both would of fell off? I dont think you can make that leap.
At this point we don’t have a 1st round pick… Now we’re talking about losing a second round pick if we sign a Type A… I’m not too worried about it… Makes up for last years, extra picks…
Ibanez is an upgrade for Philly over Burrell… However, they are very left-handed…
I agree with Alex that this may tip our hand for Ollie… 4 years for Ollie is insanity…
The LH pitcher arguement doesnt wash. Ibanez hits LH pitchers better than the RH ones.
The Mets need desperately to upgrade their offense with a power bat in one of the corner outfield spots. Trade Ryan Church for a starting pitcher if you are worried about not having a spot for Murphy to start.
The Mets just have to find a spot for a powerful bat.
As it stands right now, the Phillies own the NL East and I don’t see much the Mets will be able to do on the free agent market to change that.
My god man, did you watch last year? Omar has addressed that problem.
who cares about Manny’s lack of defense? he’s no worse than Daniel Murphy or Tatis. SIGN HIM!!!!! 2 YEAR DEAL
CaseStreet: What’s the deal with the lack of offers for Adam Dunn, then?
tjones, how can you say the Mets need to upgrade their offense and trade Church in the same sentence?
Manny, here is a 2 year, 46 million dollar deal. If you finish top 3 mvp voting in year one, year 3 kicks in at 30 mil. If you finish Top 5 mvp voting in year 2 or 3, year 4 kicks in at 30 mil.
You have 72 hours..
Dont play games with this guy and his agent. And give him PERSONAL incentive to be out there, playing hard…nothing says that like 2 option years for 60 mil based on MVP voting…
Manny is a guy you can lock up for 35-40 homers, 130 RBI every season… He’s also the lightning rod and can take a lot of heat off Wright and Beltran and Delgado…
DerangedHermit, is Dunn getting alot of offers? Not that I know of.
Ibanez’ defense might not matter in Philly — it’s either a pop up or it is gone in that ballpark, right?
GET MANNY 09!!!!!!!
Omar, please make an attempt to sign Manny. This team needs him and would dominate if we had him! We’d have an AL type line up, which would be down right nasty!
Manny, 2 years, $50 M. If he takes it, great…
I’m not 100% confortable in relying on Tatis to forget he’s Tatis again…
If Manny takes it, I would consider dealing Ryan Church for a lower level statring pitcher. Perhaps make the deal with ChC for Marquis… Cubs need an OF’er…
What happens when Manny has knee or back problems? Then where’s you $25M going (it’s going to pay Manny to play video games all day).
Tex would be cheaper and comes with none of the issues that Manny has.
They should definately re-sign Ollie that lineup should suffer against Johan and Ollie….and get a BAT or two…Hudson, and a OF cut castillo haha
I don’t think Dunn is getting a lot of offers at all… Very curious…
WE WANT MANNY!!! WE WANT MANNY!!! WE WANT MANNY!!
id love Tex but where is the 8-10 years 180-200 mill going to come from?
Has anyone looked at Ibanez numbers? He hits better against LH pitchers.
Tex is nowhere near the player Manny is… Tex is also going to run you 8+ years and I would not be willing to give that number of years, nor $20M per…
janss36
why on earth would you trade Ryan Church for Jason Marquis????
the Mets could trade Schoeneweis for Marquis and keep Church in RF!!!
so i guess since omars obsession is off the table…whats the chances on dunn…
GET MANNY 09!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Imagine the lineup. I would love to see him crush the Phillies pitching staff. Imagine its bases loaded Manny gets up against Cole Hamels hits a 450 Foot Grand Slam Home Run and just stares at him, I would love it.
Good. This really is good for the Mets, Ibanez is a breakdown waiting to happen. The phils basically just subbed ibanez for Burrell. But what they really did was take away any balance in their lineup. I think bringing back Ollie, or any lefty might be a smart move now. Does this make the mets bigger players for Burrell? Idk.
tex is like 8 or 9 years younger then manny, gold glove first basemen….hits around 300 with atleast 30 homers 100 rbis…hes not a cancer and he plays hard..hes a switch hitter .he would be a great long term solution if we had the money
I am glad the Phillies signed him, I thought Omar was going to sign him for sure. This guy is not a winning player, he has never been on a winning team. He is a awful defensive player, doesn’t draw walks, and strikes out too much.
I don’t believe Church is 100% anymore… I’d rather platoon Murphy/Tatis with Manny in LF…
In addition, keep in mind, if you want Tex for the years and $$, in a few years we will have to break the bank for Reyes, Wright and Maine…
Everyone saying our offense is in fine shape- I’m not so sure I agree. Beltran + Delgado are going to be a year older, and especially in Delgado’s case, a drop off from last year is reasonably expected. I’m not so sure how comfortable we can feel with Ryan Church as our every day right fielder, I saw nothing from him in the second half of last year after his other concussion that would lead me to believe that he can be the hitter he was the first half of last year. Hopefully the 6 months off will be very helpful for him, but still, a big question mark. If you expect the drop off from Beltran/Delgado as I do, and you question Church like I do, our lineup seems to rest on the shoulders of our top 3, Reyes, Murph, and Wright. We need another hitter.
Get Manny 09
Dunn is interesting, but you cant put Dunn and Delgado and then Church all together. LOOGY’s three-out wet dream.
metsfanmurph…
Ibanez has not been on a winning team because he played in KC and Seattle… Not really places known for their winning traditions…
65mmillahn5
I don’t disagree with any of those statements about Tex. He’s a great guy and I’d love to have him. The fact is, our front office is not going to dish out another 8 to 10 year contract with anywhere from 150 nto 200 million…which is exactly what Tex will get. Sorry, not happening.
But, Manny at a 2 year $54 millon dollar contract might be do-able. Especially if there is a 3rd year that only activates if Manny reaches certain milestones (i.e. making him play harder).
casestreet
think logically for a second, the Mets are thrilled with Delgado at 1B for this season and probably next season as well.
why would they spend 200 Mil on a position they have filled for ‘09 and probably ‘10.
we all know that Teixiera is a great player but even if we did offer him that contract why would he choose us over Boston anyway???
tex is a better overall player now than Manny is going to be. And quite likely a better overally hitter.
and they will be paying someone to play 1B for the next 8 years. Why not him?
Forget the 3rd year for Manny… We are set up to win now… Putz for 2 years, K-Rod for 3… Come on… We’re in ‘win now’ mode… Manny costs a lot, is aloof, but makes a hell of a lot of sense right now…
exactly janss? Hes never been on winning teams?
delgado needs to GO! murphy or even MANNY can place first.
Manny is significantly better than Tex offensively… He’s one of the Top 5 pure run producers of all time…
stickguy, I can think of 200 million reasons why not…
GUYS. MANNY OR TEIXERIA WILL NOT BE METS NEXT YEAR.
Watch the Mets focus turn towards trading for Jermaine Dye.
Mel Rojas
My point being it;’s not fair to say he’s not a winning player…
yes, I totally agree. I cant see Tex coming here and if not here, I hope Boston or Baltimore so he can kill the yankees. I just dono if I want manny in the clubhouse. What if he doesnt like it here and starts complaining of injuries and sits out? dont get me wrong hes great. But if you bring him in…bring pedro back on an incentive-drivin contract with health and performance as the parameters of it…because pedro understands manny and will get the best out of him
Elastic
For 1 year, I would not against Dye… Would not give up too much for 1 season of Dye…
yes but Manny is 36 years old so even though he’s the 2nd best hitter in baseball signing him for 2 years is automatically a bad move.
Realistically speaking, I would make a reasonable offer to Manny. Basically, I would give him a third year, and possibly make the 4th an option year. If he doesn’t take it, then I think we have to move on. If we did end up going up going after Dunn, we would have to upgrade 2b somehow. Although, I think the Manny situation is more likely.
Note: I don’t understand why the upper echelon of the org. doesn’t want Manny? I am sure the increase in ticket sales, merchandise, and extra SNY attention would make their pockets spill over with revenue.
Case, this is a dark day….glad we already signed KRod and Putz….now I am even more on the Tex bandwagon, and if Rivera is the righty Church, then let’s get him and have the surprises of the year in left and right.
I CANNOT believe I will have to watch Ibanez so many times this year, when all of the “oh, he’s not a winner, oh he’s a lefty, ofhhe’s too old” whiners on here will then be complaining about how Omar didn’t sign him….
This is not good; letting the Phils get him.
oleosmirf
He does not have a history of injuries… Omar signed Alou to a 2 year deal and we nearing 40 at the time… Everyone here thought that was a good move…
A chance to probably get the greatest right hand hitter in MLB history, JUMP ON IT OMAR!!
I can see it now, Manny listening to his Ipod in LF at Citifield. That would be a great sight!!
GET MANNY 09!!
mmillahn5
Not a bad idea, rearding Pedro, but it would have to be a last resort. With regards to signing Pedro. I’m not in favor of signing a player, any player, because he can help to “control” another. If the player in question (Manny) can’t act accordingly, he’ll face fines, suspension, etc.
We can survive without Manny but I think we’d be at the next level, as a team, with Manny. So, we don’t need him but he’s, without a doubt, a very nice to have.
mmillahn5
why would Manny be unhappy playing for the Mets, he’d be on a team where he is in the spotlight, he’d be the best player on the team and spanish is the dominant language in the clubhouse???
@Jannss
I agree. One year of Dye until Fmart is hopefully ready wouldn’t be all that bad.
It also depends on what the Chisox would want.
Bradley, Dunn, Abreu, Baldelli? Or deal with the platoon and trade for someone at the deadline…but I would play it safe and sign someone because Church is a collision away from being out a couple of months….I still would love to have Orlando Hudson…and they must sign Perez or Lowe and I would like Marquis as a 5
So it makes sense for Boston and the Angels to sign Tex to a long term deal but not they Mets?
Come on people. Three years from now when Tex is just 32 and Manny is 40, who are you going to want on your team?
Think of Beltran’s contract. Right now it’s cheap for a guy of his caliber and will def be cheap in the last few years.
Tex’s contract would be the same. 8 years/160
He’ll want the Mets because he wants to play on a winning team and be on the east coast. So that’s Boston, Yankees and Mets. Out of the 3, the Mets have the most need. Plus, his sister lives in NY.
I’m not saying it’s a lock but I think it’s a good option that Omar should be pursuing.
Manny = no september “chokes”.
No september chokes = world series run
Manny = world series run!!!
Because he’s Manny, that’s why. Don’t get me wrong, I want him on our team. But he’s a loaded gun. He may be great in the first year then resort back to the “old Manny” in year two, etc.
I’m not saying it will happen but to expect him to come into our club house and be a saint is unreasonable.
WIth that being said, sign Manny!!
Case…
Last I checked, the Yankees have no first baseman…
Manny complained about not being left alone with the media and people in boston….it would be worse here then there….but he could of just said that cuz it is Manny…and he didnt want to be there last year anyway…he just seems like a girl sometimes with his fake injuries and his comments…he would consider retiring because of lack of interest? what do you expect when your represented by Boras and you want 25 mill a year to hit since you cant field
Just look at What Manny did for the dodgers for a few months. Imagine doing that for The Mets for 6 months+. And on a MUCH better team!!!!
too bad the wilpons refuse to bring in mr. manny ramirez
do it anyway omar. they can’t fire you now.
Come on… Manny keeps to himself… He’s in his own little world… I don’t think he’d be great for the clubhouse from a leadership standpoint but he’d make the whole lineup that much better…
MILTON BRADLEY
tell him hes just as good as ibanez offer 3 years 10 million a season just liek the 1 ibanez go he would feel good about him self an take it whats the wait
Yanks have swish haha…I dont think there offense will be as dominant as its been in recent years…and if joba isnt in there pen thats not looking great either
eduardo…
Some folks here think Manny would be a clubhouse cancer and you want to bring in Milton Bradley…
mmillahn5
That I agree 100%… Swisher is okay but isn’t great… Joba should be in their pen… He will be if they sign Burnett and Pettitte
Manny would help prevent a collapse since we still have the same core from the past few years
Remember, Pedro’s 12 mil, alou’s 7.5, Perez’s 6 and 4 of Delgado’s 16 came off the books from last year. Plus a couple million from Sosa, Heilman, etc. Guys!! We have money to spend!!!
janns, last time I checked they have 3 (Swisher, Nady, Damon) and they have Duncan and Posada as well.
Mets could have Manny but ownership is too dam cheap and don’t care for the fans who fill their stadium seats. The Yankees I Hate but the Yankees provide for thier fans and do what it takes to win and put a better team on the field.
CaseStreet
But none of them are even close to what Tex would give them… None of them would be long term solutions for them…
theres only 1 person that the mets could sign that would change the whole landscape of the NL. Manny Ramirez.
you obvisouly havnt checked the stats on miltion guys a swtich hitter and a power bat and pure baseball player ive heard many times this past season from peter gammons and other that milton has matured and is not that type of play any more and he will cost 15 million less than manny if you offer 10 million a season like ibanez got and hes only 30 years old you must not watch espn enough focus on all baseball thats how you know what your getting
this guy is the soultion and comes cheap
plus he’ll put his fists right down cole hamels mouth and hit a homer off of him we need a guy with energy this guy wont let the phillies walk over us hes a good hitter and a spark that needs to be added to this dvidison
janns36
the Mets are unlike any other team in baseball as they cater towards latino players.
Manny would have plenty of latino players just as goofy as he is: Reyes, Pedro, Castro, Duaner, K-Rod.
Milton was in Texas…which is a top 5 hitters park Citi is no where close to that…I would love him because he would be a spark…but health concerns…MANNY would be sick but I dont see the mets giving him that money and there no reports that indicate the mets would go for either of them
Milton Bradley?!?!?!?!?!!?
the guy once broke in the announcers booth to try beat up an opposing teams radio guy who said Bradley was a disruption in the clubhouse.
Bradley is a ghetto thug who makes Milledge look like a choir boy
If Beltran is getting 17 million, how do you not pay Manny 20????
right now is the perfect time to get ramirez since he feels ignored cmon omar !!
mmillahn5
Well, we don’t know if Citi is not a hitter’s park… Some of us suspect that LF may be good for hitters… The gaps in LC and RC are nice for extra base hits…
This was the first, and likely the last, time I have ever rooted for the Phillies to win anything.
good and when milton joins us i hope hes beaking cole hamels neck this time we need a guy with balls and power hes the cheap answer this guys grown up now come on give the a break those days are the past and he was in texas come on hick ville if he can make it there he can make it new york this guys fits our sawgger we need him and hes cheap dont complain mannys not happening what are you guys going to settle for BOBBY ABREU because santana is calling minaya tryning to get him here and i know ya’ll dont want that clown running scared in our outfield so make the right choice and bring the tough guy with power and lets move on
I love Bradley’s bat, and his defense is underrated. But omg that guy is all sorts of crazy. I’m not sure the bat and defense outweigh the insanity and injury concerns. Especially since he’d be in the outfield every day for us.
no way citi will come close to Texas with homers heading out….but they need to address the offense as well as a SP
on the Manny point … seems this is evolving in a way that Omar is very comfortable with – sit back and wait and see if it makes sense to get involved – if the Dodgers or anyone else sign him, fine, but if mid-January rolls around and he’s still available, I wouldn’t put it past Omar to swoop in and snatch him up.
koosman
exactly Omar is going to see if he can get Lowe or Sheets or hopefully not Perez and if not then with money left over he swoops up Manny
I just hope the Yanks come in and take Manny…that would be an incredible line up…but how much more do they have to spend? 5 years 80+ mill for Burnett which it looks like he will take and there going to be adding salary once they pick up Cameron, and prob another 10 mill for pettitte…Hopefully the mets do something offensively and bring in lowe or sign Ollie…I still like the idea as Marquis as a 5 starter
janss36 says:
December 12th, 2008 at 9:36 am
CaseStreet
But none of them are even close to what Tex would give them… None of them would be long term solutions for them…
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Exactly my point. We don’t have a long term solution for 1B either. The Yankees and Red Sox at least have a bunch of options, who do we have, Murphy and Evans (Carp got traded)?
All I’m saying is that the Mets shouldn’t be discounted here. Tex is as much a viable option for them as the Yankees or Red Sox.
miltion came ahead of ibanez in every stat except RBI’s in only 126 games and hes only 30 years old this guy will take an ibanez type contract maybe less per season but 3 years sounds right maybe a opt out after 2 years this guy is the right guy i dont know why you guys are letting his past hold you back those days are gone he’s a guy that will SHINE in new york come on we’re brawlers and maniacs out here and your saying you wouldn’t love to see milton take out either hamels or howard i would love it this guy belongs here and he will prove it on the field to plus he can be sat some games for tatis and murph just to make sure he can make it throught the whole seaon i think its a must sign escpcially with whats left out there on left fielders thats in our price range
casestreet
just because you want it to happen and it makes the team better doesnt mean it makes any sense.
I mean just think rationaly. Omar is not going to just give Delgado away because Teixiera is available.
what a deal…i would have done that in a second
eduardo
milton bradley is a terrible human being and i dont want him anywhere near this team.
your crazy you dont even know how much he’s changed this season and this guy sticks up for his players you gota give him a chance he’s the only legit cheap offensive outfielder out there right now dunn will cost to much and abreu is old and cant play the outfield for nothing bradley is the smartest choice and hes only 30 and a switch hitter come on give him a break the mets and the fans would love this guy beleive me
oleosmirf, so is Theo Epstein not thinking straight?
He’s going after Tex and will have to trade Lowell or someone else if he gets Tex.
But it makes sense for Boston but not the Mets? Why?
Plus I never said give away. Even if we got C or 2B prospects, I’d be happy. But looking at the talks for Dye, who has a comparable salary, Delgado would get more than just any prospect.
I’d like to see what happens with Giambi, cuz Delgado might be a cheaper option depending on Giambi’s asking price.
Eduardo – I completely, totally agree with you. I think Milton Bradley would be great on this team. He is a potent bat and is a tough player. I do think, however, that he’ll end up signing for a lot more than Omar would have wanted to give him.
As for our SP conundrum – I think Sheets would be a great signing. I know he’s been hurt all the time but when he’s on his game he’s really a top notch #1 ace. See if he would sign a 2 year deal and he could potentially make this rotation rock solid.
mmillahn5
The Yankees do not operate with a budget… If they have a need and there is a marquis name out there, they are going to try and ake a move… This is why they are going to end up with Sabathia and Burnett and probably Pettitte.
oleosmirf
check the stats
ranked 3rd in the al in BA (.321)
ranked 1st in al in OBP(.436)
Ranked 1st in AL in OPS(.999)
Ranked 10 in AL in BB(80)
Ranked 4th in AL IN SLG(.563)
hit over 300 off both lefties and righties especailly hitting .340 off lefties which we need
and the ratio of 112 strike outs to 80 walks is real good
with 22 home runs 77 rbis 32 double and 78 runs in 126 games is pretty darn good
he ranked better than ibanez in every stat except RBI’s and in only 126 games come on give it up this guys a fit and your talking about manny , after manny makes that bread he aint going to care he has 3 rings what does he care about another he only wants more money to retire
Ben Sheets, Adam Dunn. Scr ew the picks.
Why would Bradley cost much less than Dunn? There seems to be a bit more interest in him than Dunn. Supposedly the Rays have offered him a similar contract to what Ibanez got, in terms of money per I don’t know about years.
Eduardo, why did he miss 36 games? The question is his health not his talent.
Reyes, Dunn wouldn’t cost picks. So really if we let Ollie walk even though we signed two type A’s, Sheets being the other, we’d end up better off in terms of draft picks. Even if he didn’t sign with a team with an available first rounder we’d get the supplemental pick.
we’re the mets the rays or the cub wont be able to outbid 1 bid from us and both teams run out of the race trust me
The Rich get Richer!!
Looks like the Phils signed Ibanez, Mr. Consistency. Gonna be another year of the Phils coming up clutch and the Mets choking like a bunch of Dogs!! That new ballpark is gonna look like a funeral home come September!! 3 things guaranteed in Life: Death,Taxes, and the Mets blowing it in September!!
i dont care what you guys say when it comes out of a guys mouth like peter gammons that this guy is tremndous player and has changed for the better theres nothing else to say this guy went down hurt and still made the all star team with his stats this guy ranked on top of many stats and with tatis able to let him sit here and there he is a fit for us i think guys are being a little to harsh on such a good player
eduardo no one said anything about outbidding. you claimed Dunn would cost too much, I’m asking you why he would cost less than Bradley when there seems to be more interest in Bradley. If we have to outbid someone don’t you think we;re going to end up paying more.
Forogt the D-Backs didn’t offer him arbitration, thanks Gina. So why aren’t we going after him again?
If you get hurt by Bud Black trying to restrain you, you are brittle. Bradley has played in 100 or more games 3 times. 3! and one of those was 101 in 03. Not to mention the Wilpons would never want hime here. If they got rid of Lastings Milledge, what would they think about a guy with ACTUAL character issues.
Reyes no one knows why we aren’t going after him.
I don’t understand why the mets didn’t get this cat, I’ve always been a big fan of his. Now he with the phillies of all teams, damn
haha, I thought you would know Gina.
You know ….I hear all of the stories about Manny being a “clubhouse cancer” and we all saw the stuff that he pulled in Boston….HOWEVER, if you all recall, Pedro was also supposed to be some kind of prima-donna according to the “Bahstin” media and all he was here was a “model citizen and teammate” …..I don’t recall who it was, but I do remember reading a story where it was suggested that a number of Sox players who were at the end of their contracts were basically made to look bad by mgmt. up there……could just be coincidence but it does make you wonder a bit
If the Mets are too cheap too get Manny, Ibanez would have been perfect, and you let your arch rival get him cheap. That was pretty infuriating, and reading this also makes my blood boil:
Mets GM Omar Minaya recently admitted he did not expect to pursue A.J. Burnett orDerek Lowe, saying, “I’m probably not going to be in there right now, financially. Not after spending all the money that I did on K-Rod.” Sherman isn’t sold, though – he thinks Lowe’s price could drop and give the Mets a shot.
…Excuse me, Omar? You just had at least 35 million come off the books. Spending 13 on K-Rod and a few more million on Putz along with some other players getting raises still leaves you at 12-15 million under last year’s payroll- plus god forbid you bump the payroll up another 10-15 million with the money you are raking in.
This is a joke. I guess they are going to get Jason Marquis (he’s pretty bad), and call it an offseason, and play Tatis, Murphy in left, Castillo at 2nd.
It’s amazing to me that a team who fell on their face again last year (and had their arch rival win it all) would bring back the same manager, the exact same starting 8 offensive lineup (that withered yet again down the stretch), and the same rotation minus Perez plus a worse guy in Marquis or Wolf, etc…Yeah they have a good 8th and 9th inning RP now, but this is just a disgrace and I don’t know why more people aren’t up in arms about it. I’ve heard a few people on WFAN complain, but not nearly enough.
MANNY RAMIREZ 09
Wow mistermet overeact much? So the Mets have to sign anyone the Phillies might want? They can’t get everyone. Remember Ibanez is replacing Burrell who put up 30 and 100, which is about what Ibanez will give. He’s a better guy and overall a better hitter, but its not like they made a monster upgrade
Secondly, have you ever negotiated anything in your life? Just because Omar says he’s not going to spend the money on Lowe, that doesn’t mean he won’t. Its a negotiation. If he comes out and says I’m willing to spend 80 mill, what kind of bargaining position does he have? He’s waiting it out because with the Yankees getting Burnett, Lowe doesn’t have any other suitors, so his price goes down
I bet you were one of the people who complained that Omar was waiting too long on KROD and would’ve given him the 5 year 75 mill he wanted.
Can we please wait till all the pieces fall in place before whining and complaining about what Omar hasn’t done? Jeez.
Seems like the majority of Phils fans on beerleaguer hate this signing.
i’m actually glad we didn’t sign him. i don’t want another outfielder in his late 30’s after the alou mess… let murphy play.
Like they needed another LH bat…lol. I’m really glad we didn’t sign Ibanez, he’s bad news waiting to come. Late 30’s, average fielder, yeah he’s gonna decline. Just makes that lineup easier to pitch to now with them losing Burrell and signing Ibanez.
dude, mistermet, the offeseason is NOT OVER!!! Relax buddy, you’re acting like everything is done with, Omar is done making moves. Man, if by spring training this is where we stand and you don’t like it, fine, complain. But c’mon, you sound like an idiot making these blanket statements when there are SO many free agents still not signed and the hot stove is FAR from over.
Yeah, I don’t think this is a HUGE signing. I’d rather have Ibanez in the lineup than Burrell. I’m kind of surprised they did go after him, but he does have ties with Gillick. Our luck he’ll probably end up being a huge Met killer, lol. Eh, Not really loving this for the Phillies.
Omar,
Since you read Metsblog I pray to god you read this. GET MANNY PLEASE! I don’t want anything else for christmas but a Manny Ramirez jersey.
IT’S TIME OMAR,
GO AND AND GET MANNY.
WE CAN ELIMINATE ALL DISCUSSION ABOUT WHO IS GOING AFTER WHO IN THE NATIONAL LEAGUE EAST, AND HOW DOES THAT AFFECT US ETC BY SIGNING THE ONE MAN THAT WILL TURN OUR LINEUP INTO A JUGGERNAUT….. MANNY RAMIREZ.
NATIONAL LEAGUE PITCHER’S WILL BE ON THEIR HEELS FROM THE 1ST INNING,HIS NUMBER’S AND CONSISTENCY ARE ABSOLUTELY SICK, HIS ABILITY TO HIT IN THE CLUTCH AND GET ON BASE ARE WITHOUT PEER AND HE IS NOT SLOWING DOWN.
DON’T BE FOOLED BY THE ” HE’LL BE 37 ” CROWD THIS MAN IS THE GREATEST RBI MAN OF THIS GENERATION AND AS I’VE STATED BEFORE HE IS REGARDED BY MANY AS THE GREATEST RIGHT HANDED HITTER IN BASEBALL HISTORY, HIS NUMBERS ACROSS THE BOARD ARE ABSOLUTELY ASTONISHING HANDS DOWN.
THE ENERGY HE’LL BRING TO OUR BALL CLUB WILL BE PHENOMENAL, THAT SAID, IT WON’T MAKE A DIFFERENCE ABOUT DYE GOING TO ATLANTA OR ANY OTHER SENARIO THAT MAY PLAY OUT BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE THE DOMINICAN MESSIAH AND A LINEUP FOR THE AGES.
Ibanez had better clutch stats than Manny in almost every category last year – higher BA with runners on, RISP, RISP w/ 2 outs…he had more RBI than Manny in all those scenarios as well. Ibanez even had better splits vs. lefties than Ramirez. And he did all this playing his home games in one of the most pitcher-friendly parks in the majors.
He also comes without the baggage and hustles all the time without complaint. At 3/30, even at 36, this was a steal for Philly…he costs what Manny will likely cost for a little more than a year…I think the Mets will regret this one.
I think Tex would be the best move at this point if Delgado could be moved. The length of the contract (8-10yrs.), nor the money (160+) should be a factor in his signing due to his age and flat out ability all around. In five years from now he will be essentially working for “peanuts” when the economy goes boom (ie. Beltran).
If Tex is not possible, throwing a ton of money at Manny for a couple of years would be the next best thing. Offer him 50-60 over 2 years with an incentive laden 3rd year option. As of right now, this man is a MONSTER offensively, and instantly makes this lineup ….well….THAT much better. What are we really going to lose if he fails to produce over the life of a measly 2 year deal….a little cashish? Even then, I’m sure they could insure that short term contract. It’s worth a shot.
Either way Omar, now that your boy Ibanez is gone, make one more splash and……….GET IT DONE!
I’ll be honest, I credit the Phillies for their activity and aggression. But in my opinion, this signing makes little sense on their part. Raul’s turning 36 in June and will be getting paid 10 million in 2011 when he’s 39 years old. One or two years into the contract, he may look like another Jenkins. I’m happy though that they didn’t sign Derek Lowe. I never actually believed they really would, but seeing them re-sign Ibanez is similar to that of Burrell.
Here’s why it doesn’t make sense. When Utley gets back, they’ve got too many left-hander hitters. Two, they had to give up a first round draft pick and a sandwich pick in next June’s draft since Raul’s type A. They’ll receive no compensation for Burrell who they didn’t offer arbitration. And if Moyer chooses to sign elsewhere if the Phillies don’t concede to his 2 year/18 million interest, than they’ll also receive no compensation for him. Why exactly did Amaro not offer Moyer arbitration anyway? He made 8.5 million through incentives last season and would have gotten exactly what the Phillies were looking to give him (1 year/10-12 million) if he were to accept.
Texeira won’t end up a Met. Just look at the competition out there. Hitting is not the problem for the Mets. They ranked 3rd in the NL. Ibanez will just replace Burrell so I’d expect them the Phillies to remain the same once Utley returns from injury. From the Mets perspective, they should do what they can to move Castillo. I’m not sure whether or not KC offered Guillen, but it’s a trade worth doing. Signing Hudson at the top of the line-up would be a nice addition. Signing Manny Ramirez would be lovely, but it’s not realistic if he wants a deal more than what the Dodgers previously offered. If the Mets were to offer him a third year, I wouldn’t offer more than about 65-70 million.
Bobby Abreu’s still availible. Johan’s expressed that he wants him to play for the Mets. From Bobby’s point of view, not having to move would be preferred. And the Yankees have too many corner OF + DH spots filled. He won’t require any draft pick compensation. This Ibanez deal will set a floor for Abreu. He said he wanted 3 year/45 million before? He won’t get anywhere near that in this market. Instead, he’ll probably get around 2 year/20 million or 3 year/27 million. For 2 years, he’s probably worth the gamble because that’s about the same amount of time it’ll take for F-Mart to be ready.
MDEMAIO,
IBANEZ IS A SOLID BALL PLAYER NO DOUBT, YES HE HAD THOSE NUMBERS LAST YEAR OVER RAMIREZ, HOWEVER, RAMIREZ ALMOST SINGLE HANDEDLY LED THE DOGERS INTO THE PLAYOFFS, THIS MY FRIEND IS NOT SOME FLUKE.
I SUGGEST YOU TAKE A LONG HARD LOOK AT MANNY RAMIREZ’S LIFE TIME STATS ESPECIALLY HIS EYE POPPING 411 OBP, 314 BA, 527 HR ETC COUPLED WITH THE FACT THAT HE’S PRODUCED IN HIGH PRESSURE SITUATIONS ETC.
AGAIN IBANEZ IS A SOLID PLAYER BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE THERE IS ONLY ONE PLAYER COMPARABLE TO MANNY’S YR IN ,YR OUT, OUT PUT AND I SAY THIS RELUCTANTLY HIS NAME IS ALEX RODRIGUEZ.
Bradley will be a better fit for the Mets, he is younger and has similar mental problems. get Milton!