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The three-year, $30 million contract signed by Raul Ibanez and the Phillies, should put a ceiling on contracts for Adam Dunn, Bobby Abreu, Milton Bradley and Pat Burrell, among other outfielders, explains Mark Topkin in the St. Petersburg Times.
Speaking of right-handed hitting corner outfielder, 
the Royals may have to trade OF Jose Guillen, if they end up signing free-agent SS Rafael Furcal, reports the Kansas City Star.
In an October report for the New York Post, Joel Sherman wrote that the Mets will probably have to ‘take on another headache,’ if they want to trade Luis Castillo to another team.
According to Sherman, citing an executive familiar with the talks, “the Mets and Royals had discussions in July about swapping Guillen for Castillo.”
Guillen will earn $24 million for the next two seasons, while Castillo is due to make $18 million during the next three.
Lastly, George King of the New York Post believes that, if the Yankees do not sign 
Mark Teixeira, they will go after free-agent outfielder Manny Ramirez, “and to clear some money, they might entertain offers for outfielder Xavier Nady.”
…if you recall, rumor had it that the Mets were trying to re-acquire Xavier Nady from the Pirates last summer, but the asking price was too much…it seems like every year for the rest of my life i will be writing about the possible return of nady to queens…i see no reason why this off-season should be any different…other than it’s the Yankees who have him, and the Mets and Yankees rarely ever hook up in trade…that said, you know, he is the right-handed Ryan Church, etc., etc…
Speaking of outfielders, and the Yankees…
The Yankees and Brewers continue to discuss Mike Cameron, with the deal hinging upon Kei Igawa, explains Jon Heyman at SI.com.
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MANNY AND LOWE…STOP IT.
By all means take guillen.. as much as we love nady i just do not wanna see that plague of castillo in a mets uniform again..
How about Castillo for Gullien and Mahay? Solves our LHRP needs and Castillo?
Dump Castillo for a bag of peanuts, and focus on signing a starting pitcher before we worry about our outfield platoon.
if we could somehow get Guillen for Castillo and sign Hudson, that is better than any other REALISTIC combination of RH Bat/ Luis Castillo
Then we sign Grudzy for 2B and teach Murphy on the job with Grudzy as his mentor.
It’s not a terrible lineup, especially if we still get Molina.
Reyes, Grudzy, Wright, Delgado, Beltran, Molina, Church, Gullien?
Let’s look at these stats.
Player A
31 years old
.301 BA
.362 OBP
1 HR
5 3B
19 2B
19 SB
91 R
38 RBI
53 W
45 S
Player B
30 years old
.305 BA
.367 OBP
8 HR
3 3B
29 2B
4 SB
54 R
41 RBI
40 W
62 S
Player A wants 4/24
Player B wants 4/48
Which one would you want?
Best Answer……. Neither.
therealsince86, i gotta agree with you wholeheartedly on this one. that sounds like a great trade, if KC would do it. maybe throw in a low level prospect to get it done?
HUDSON is way overrated and the only way i want him here is 2 years and 20 millions at that.. who is the market for hudson other than him wating to play here becozz he knew it would drive up his asking price.. 5 years 50 millions is CRAZY!!!! he’ll be a gary mathews jr but in 2nd base!! NO HUDSON please..
Mahay makes 4 million and Gullien makes 12 million. That would free up 10 million for them to go get other pieces they need. Looks like a win-win. Maybe throw in Camacho to replace Mahay for them.
TRS:
I saw u mentioned that b4 but i was wondering who u talking about in post # 7?
I would want player B 4/12
Actually agree with you Alex. Hudson for the rumored 4/48 is 2 times as bad as the Castillo signing. People are in love with the big name but they never look at the stats.
Alex, come on. LOL.
Player A is Castillo coming off his 2007 season.
Player B is Hudson coming off his 2008 season.
And Kistic you can’t get Hudson for 4/12.
If the mets don’t go after Manny and the Yankees do sign him, I might have to become a fan of the evil empire. How do the mets not learn their lesson after choking two years straight???
okay.. 4/14 and that’s the final offer..
alex242, im pretty sure he’s talking about castillo AND Hudson…i agree with u all, hudson is OVERRATED..his intagibles would help this club, but u dont pay for that, u pay for performance…3 years at most, but no more than 9-11 mil a year..and even that is too much
Pretty sure the Mets did learn their lesson rd. The lesson was a crappy bullpen effects the entire team.
I would love for them to get Manny but I can see either side.
TRS:
i just knew that hudson was B.. lol.. not only that i was lost becoz hudson before this season (in which he only played 100 games) had never hit 300..
brandley: of course, no.
burrell: no thanks
dunn: with the current market prices, yes (shifts to first next year)
abreu: not a big fan, but for 2 years @ a small numbered must be considered
guillen: if it gets rid of castillo you’d have to consider it
manny: of course, yes. doubt it will happen though. no way more than 2 years though.
rd,
see if you’ll be a fan of the evil empire in 3 years where Burnett is coming of TJ surgery and Manny doesn’t want to play because he has to watch his cartoons
Bigchart that is correct. However, why would you even give Hudson that much?
He is worth about 3/20 and that’s about it. He does not hit or play defense well enough to get a top contract for multiple years.
And sorry but those intangibles have meant nothing in his career. You don’t lead anyone playing that way on the field.
Not much would be worse than bringing in Jose Guillen, an a$$hole whose performance does not justify dealing with his mouth.
The guy is an out machine and a malcontent. I don’t see any benefit to bringing him in over Castillo.
Castillo had one lousy year. There’s a better chance of him getting on base 37% of the time and being useful than there is of Guillen not becoming a whining jerk when his at bats dimisnish because he refuses to let a slider in the dirt go by without swinging at it.
I know the bullpen was a mess, but that right handed bat in the middle of the line-up would so quickly cure all of the “clutch hitting” issues the core guys had in multiple situations.. That said I know Manny can be a handful, but they have to do it…
Unless Guillen will be happy being a bench player I don’t want anything to do with him. This guy shouldn’t start for crappy teams let alone one trying to go to the play-offs.
no and no.
Guillen + Hudson = $22M +
Rivera + Castillo = 10M+
The difference is a SP.
Have to agree with all of that Zen.
You left out my favorites Rivera and Wiggy though. LOL.
look, we need a lefty we can have guardado, we need a 2nd basemen we can have Grudz and there we can fill 2 needs by getting 2 veteran players that are very professional.. and they may even play they heart out becoz this may be their last opportunnity to get a championship..
Also x2 Casestreet. And I want Wiggy too thereal
rd,
see if you’ll be a fan of the evil empire in 3 years where Burnett is coming of TJ surgery and Manny doesn’t want to play because he has to watch his cartoons
but it’ll be worth being a fan the first two…
Also yeah I don’t understand the lack of interest in Grudz. I’d much rather have him than someone like Alex Cora.
Yup, you could say that Guillen and Grudzy cost 14 million as option C.
I am not, however, going to trade Castillo straight up for Gullien. I want either some cash or a guy like Mahay in return.
id take guillen for castillo in a heartbeat we need someone with big balls on this team. jose is a solid hitter, but then who would play second base. orland hudson is not worth 10 mill a year at all. yes he is a solid all around player, but i dont think hes worth all of the money hes going to get.
“Unless Guillen will be happy being a bench player I don’t want anything to do with him. This guy shouldn’t start for crappy teams let alone one trying to go to the play-offs”
Gina:
while i agree with u he can give the mets something they been missing for 2 years:
a right handed bat with some pop and also fire..!! if anybody F**S with him he looks like the type of guy who could start a fight.. we also need that..
Is Grudzy gritty and a grinder? j/k
I too think I would rather throw money at Rivera or Wiggy, Grudzy and Guardado and just keep Castillo than to bring in Gullien.
Not that much difference in price.
Maybe Castillo gets moving with Grudzy as a fulltime replacement option.
The impact Manny will have in that lineup would be INSANE…
thereal:
i like wigginton for the team. a little left, a little first, and gives wright a day off or three. probably second once in a while too. grit.
rivera hasn’t done anything in 2 years. i’m not sure that’s he’s enough to impact the offense. as a bench player/spot starter…sure.
Is Grudzy gritty and a grinder? j/k
LOL.. case my boy what’s good… man it seems like no TEX for the METS.. :-(
Man I keep flip flopping this season.
Now I am leaning towards Molina, Wiggy/Rivera, Guardado, Grudzy. LOL.
If taking Guillen for Castillo gets the Mets Hudson then it has to be done…….throw in Anderson while we are at it,haha
If Guillen is a head case then they just dump him and eat the salary like they would have to do with Castillo anyway
I think we would all be happy with
Reyes
Hudson
Wright
Delgado
Beltran
Church/Tatis
Murphy/Guillen
Schneider/Castro
Cora
Reed
That is a solid team
grundzy is 38 and has been injured regularly the last 2 years. that would be typical mets recently. can’t support that.
this should be omar’s first offer to manny:
2 years… here’s 50 millions.. club option for 3rd..
I actually think we should sign Wiggy to be our everyday LF. Then Murphy as a LH can be the super sub.
thereal – Hudson overrated? As compared to who?
Other than Uggla, Utley and DeRosa there aren’t too many 2B in the NL that will put up better numbers than O-Dog. His stats are similar to Kelly Johnson and Freddy Sanchez. No comparison to him vs. Castillo is just not a good fit in this lineup not to mention the bad karma he brings to the team day after day.
Also do we really think we’ll get a full season out of the guy? Who’s the back-up? A Reyes?
Wiggy would be a good fit but not an everyday 2B.
Man I keep flip flopping this season.
Now I am leaning towards Molina, Wiggy/Rivera, Guardado, Grudzy. LOL.
LOL, aren’t we all!!!!! lol
well thereal, when it comes to contracts like that, i dont necessarily sya what I WOULD DO, because to me, a guy like odawg should get a contract like castillo got last year and be happy
however, the economics in this sport are wacked, so i say what i think would be a fairly “reasonable” rate to get him signed, but the YEARS is what scares me about him…i think hudson would be a fine addition, cuz a lot of what he does doesnt show up i box scores, like moving runners over, turning over the lineup to the big bats, good D, clubhouse guy, etc…but 4 years 12 mil is insane…i’d be more inclined to give him 10 mil but at 2 years..i’d give him 8-9 mil a year at 3 years though…make sense?
Guillen is garbage.
Hudson is sereverly overrated.
Wigginton is not an upgrade.
Castillo is fine to start the season, and Tatis/Murphy, perhaps not preferrable, is still serviceable.
We need to get one more effective reliever, sign two of Sheets/Lowe/Perez, and patch up the bench.
There will be players to be had in July should we need them. And having the “cap” space at that time may prove to be much more valuable than it is now. There is no need to just overspend for “new faces.”
as many ppl complain here we can’t have a all star at all bases, we may not have a good 2b but we’re pretty much set at SS, 3B and CF.. HUDSON IS OVERRRATED becoz of the money he’s demanding!!
This is getting me sick we are a team from NY and charge NY prices why can’t we aleast kick the tires on Manny and Lowe or Garland or Sheets
alex, Wat u talkin bout?
It’ll be Angels and Boston but then Omar’s gonna blow the Red Sox offer out of the water, cuz Boston is gonna give him a low ball offer.
Tex will be like, “cool, my sis lives in NY and I’m only a few hours from Mama’s. OK Omar, where do I sign?”
Delgado will get the Schoeneweis treatment.
guys you know what would be sweet,
as much as we wanted that bum delgado out he came back and shut most of us all, since most likely we’ll have that bum castillo can u imagine if he comes a have a monster season? not delgado like but kinda like he’s had in his good years? that’d be great!!!
although highly unlikely..
Casestreet, I’m disappointed in you. your math should have said:
Guillen + Hudson = $22M + = TEX!
anyway, no to Guillen. Besides the attitude, he really isn’t any good.
Castillo is not bad enough, nor is his contract bad enough, to be worth taking on a mess like him.
I still might do the Andru swap to get rid of him though!
but, IMO, it would be better to cut Luis (and eat the contract) and probably cheaper in the long run, than to pick up another bigger contract in Guillen with a worse player attached to it.
Grabbing Grudzy though would be a fine idea. Nice bench guy, and ready to step in when Castillo is either traded, cut or (highly likely) back ont he DL,
Jromer and Alex:
What justification is there for the idea that Jose Guillen is a solid hitter? His .738 OPS? His .300 OBA?
He stinks.
CASE: (51)
LOL… i’m just losing my faith man.. as the days go by and i don’t hear his name with us u know..
54Wanny Backstra:
nice name,
i NEVER said guillen was solid… just a right handed bat with some pop and a guy that looks crazy and could start a fight..
We dont have the resources to go get Texiera and then get 2 starters. Right now, startin pitching is way more important than getting more offense. Whats the point of having 8th and 9th inning shutdown guys when you cant take a lead into the 8th?
how can anyone say that guillen is garbage. he gives you 20 hrs and 95 rbis consistently, he gives a team fire something we all know the mets need and i think he will behave because he is looking for a new contract in 2 yrs. he is a good ball player, righthanded, and nice pop. i know we were experimenting with murph at second and i would love to put him there, although i do not think that worked out 2 well. not sure who would play second
bigchart,
“however, the economics in this sport are wacked, so i say what i think would be a fairly “reasonable” rate to get him signed, but the YEARS is what scares me about him…i think hudson would be a fine addition, cuz a lot of what he does doesnt show up i box scores, like moving runners over, turning over the lineup to the big bats, good D, clubhouse guy, etc…but 4 years 12 mil is insane…i’d be more inclined to give him 10 mil but at 2 years..i’d give him 8-9 mil a year at 3 years though…make sense?”
Show us some of your statisical analysis of how Hudson is so effective at moving runners over, and turning the lineup to the big bats. It’s arguements like that, which result in people overrating players, and buying into them being worth $8-10M per year.
And if that’s the basis of your arguement against Castillo, then explain to me what Castillo was doing every single time Reyes led off an inning getting on base. I’m pretty sure I remember Castillo bunting him over 75% of the time.
stickguy, my apologies, I’m just nervous to mention T – E – X because JamesK might be around and he’ll go all crazy on me for being unrealistic and that he’s a professional blogger and I’ll learn something from him.
But, what the hell:
LET’S GET TEX! LET’S GET TEX! LET’S GET TEX!
TRS said:
Now I am leaning towards Molina, Wiggy/Rivera, Guardado, Grudzy
So am I, but Wiggington over Rivera if possible. Overall fills needs, adds complimentry players, and makes the team better.
ANd vic, who said trade castillo for Guillen, and cut Guillen if he is a problem?
Jose is owed more money than Luis. So why not just cut Castillo and be done with it, and end up saving money?
Only trade for another bad contract IF YOU NEED THE PLAYER!
I am very much for trading Castillo for Guillen. Not only does it give us the righty pop in the OF,but also frees up some space to potentially sign O. Hudson. We can backload his contract for when Guillen’s runs out.
LET’S GET TEX! LET’S GET TEX! LET’S GET TEX! LET’S GET TEX! LET’S GET TELET’S GET TEX! LET’S GET TEX! LET’S GELET’S GET TEX!T TEX! LET’S GET TEX! LET’S GET TEX! LET’S GET TEX! LET’S GET TEX! LET’S GET TEX! LET’S GET TEX! LET’S GET TEX! LET’S GET TEX! LET’S GET TEX! LET’S GET TEX! LET’S GET TEX! LET’S GET TEX!
alex,
the bottom line is jose is a famn good hitter with BALLSSSSSS something the mets clearly don’t have. not sure if you heard straw on the fan but he said if hamels said what he would have said when he was playing then there would have been a ball thrown at his head. thats what we need balls and jose gives us that. first of all you don’t make any sense by saying he is not a good hitter. he had absolutely NOOOOOOOO protection in the royals lineup. say what you want about him, but the guy can hit. kinda reminds me of bay, the difference from when he was with pirates and sox when he actualyl got protection behind him
TEX WOULD BE GREAT ALEX.. BUT I PREFER SEEING MURPHY AT 1B NEXT YEAR…FROM A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE AND BASEBALL
i wish omar will make some more moves soon..im getting a little antsy…i wonder who he is thinking about getting for starting pitching
alex242, LOL – ur nuts
METS MISSING PIECES: MANNY AND LOWE.. OLLIE COME BACK FOR 5 SLOT
Bring back the old comments style!
Hey, it’s Romo’s biggest fan, enterkrod!
METS MISSING PIECES: MANNY AND LOWE.. OLLIE COME BACK FOR 5 SLOT
WOW!!!
If you think Guillen (or some equivelant) player with a bad contract will help the team, and it moves Castillo, I am all for it.
But I also believe that Hudson is way, way overrated. Not a bad guy, and better (probably) at this point than Luis. But not worth anywhere near 8 figures a year.
IOW, there are probably guys that could be signed for 1/10 – 1/4 the annual salary, for less years, that will likely give comparable offensive productin, better D, more games, and just as much “grit” and clubhouse presence.
trade Luis, but don’t increase the payroll at 2B at the expense of SP or a guy like Tex.
lol..thats right case im back..haha..romo is an even bigger homo..he beat the gmen last night
Jromer:
i said that we also need a guy who don’t give a fu**.. i can’t seem to understand why everybody hates us (other than dancing) well, if we get him we might have a reason.. he’s got that a**hole mentality..
krod, why are you always talking about BIG things? I don’t know about you :)
alex,
IT’S NOT HAPPENNING! IT’S NOT HAPPENNING! IT’S NOT HAPPENNING! IT’S NOT HAPPENNING! IT’S NOT HAPPENNING! IT’S NOT HAPPENNING! IT’S NOT HAPPENNING! IT’S NOT HAPPENNING! IT’S NOT HAPPENNING! IT’S NOT HAPPENNING! IT’S NOT HAPPENNING! IT’S NOT HAPPENNING! IT’S NOT HAPPENNING! IT’S NOT HAPPENNING! IT’S NOT HAPPENNING! IT’S NOT HAPPENNING! IT’S NOT HAPPENNING!
case:
i follow your lead man.. i just don’t wanna lose my faith..
Kistic (76)
Boooooo… lol.. i said it all along, pitching pitching and pitching…..
haha..did you see my comment last night about the dallas cheerleaders?..lol…they have nice big things…
I like the idea of bringing Nady back, but isn’t he only arbitration eligible for one more season? The main question would be what do the Mets have that the Yankees would want while be reasonably priced? Trading Bobby Parnell or Eddie Kunz would be too much for a possible rent a player. The good thing about Nady is they could move him over to 1B if they re-signed him and let Delgado go next season. Where does Murphy play when F-Mart comes up though? If he were going to play 2B, it’d make all the sense in the world. I think the better option for the Mets is to try to sign Nady when he’s a free agent next season. Delgado, Wagner, Schneider, Castro, Anderson, part of Schoenweis and more players will be free agents so they’ll be money available to use. By that point, the Mets should have a better idea of Murphy’s future position as a Met. Trading Church down the road for pitching can happen too.
just for the record, cuz i feel like people get at me sometimes (except for u THEREAL)
i just want to state what I, BigChart, want the mets to do:
Offer manny a contract for 2 years at whatever million (40, 45, 48 whatever) with 2 option years at like 28 mil that kick in based on how he finishes in MVP voting in years 1 and 2 (top 5, then top3). i think this kind of contract will motivate this kid to play as hard as possible every day and earn that money/years.
If not manny (actually i’d do this next thing FIRST), as i’ve been saying ever since day 1 of FA, TRADE delgado for whatever package u think helps most, and sign texiera to 8 years 170…switch hitting, excellent defending 1b with power who isnt a headache…CLEARLY needed on this team
Pitchig-i’d like them to resign ollie. While being erratic, he is still young and hopefully entering what most in baseball call “pitching prime” and if that is true, he should turn a corner and be dominant more often than terrible.
In addition to ollie, i want ben sheets, 2 year deal. Since we kept niese and parnell, in the inevitable event that sheets goes down, we got 2 pitchers that can hopefully step in and do a decent job.
I DO NOT want O-Dawg unless the contract is Right AND we can get rid of castillo. I dont mind castillo there, however, i think that overall, fans’ opinion of him wont change and just like heilman, no matter what he does, he might not get the fans back on his side, so it wouldnt upset me to see him leave.
I’d like to see one more lefty added to the pen, no matter who it is.
Do i think ANY of this will happen? NO lol…would i be happy with juan rivera, guardado, and wiggy, with a combo of 2 of wolfe, ollie, sheets, and lowe? YES…i have faith in omar that he’s not a moron and knows what is supposed to be done to fix this team.
Thank u…on that note, i am leaving work for the day. Everyone enjoy their 70 degree day in december…
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I’m all for ollie AND sheets if we can.. then get somebody like guillen for castillo.. get guardado and grudz.. done, that’s not crazy and we fill all the needs.. good bullpen, great starting rotation and a solid offense..
“if the Yankees do not sign Mark Teixeira, they will go after free-agent outfielder Manny Ramirez, “and to clear some money, they might entertain offers for outfielder Xavier Nady.””
YAY!! the mets MIGHT get the yankees’ hand-me-downs….YAY!!!!!!!!!!
omar, get a clue and sign either manny or tex….or the mets will pay for it again in 2009.
Castillo for Guillen make sense for the Mets, but less for the Royals. The Royals signing Furcal would probably be the end to that trade rumor because Mike Aviles hit .325 last season as the Royals SS. He’d played 2B and would slide over. With the way how the market is playing out, the Royals may figure to re-sign Gruz to like 1 year/3 million.
The Royals would obviously not re-sign Grudz if they got Castillo via trade, so it’s like the Royals would be saving 9 million. The Mets would have to either throw in a prospect (ex. Nick Evans) or give the Royals like 2-3 million to get it done.
Nady and the yankees? Build it around Delgado! Maybe they remember his disply from that game last year.
IMO, the arguement agianst trading delgado seems to be replacing his output. It certainly isn’t about playing 1B, since they have multiple options for that.
Can’t really think of what else the yanks need, other than BP arms.
So trade them parnell for nady. Throw in Schneider in case Posada can’t catch again this year.
or trade Schneider for something to flip.
anyway, Nady really serves the same purpose (while playing a few less positions) than Wiggington, or they could sign Rivera if they purely want a RH hitting OF.
Nady would be nice to have though.
Texeira’s not ending up a Met. All that money the Yankees are spending on CC and Burnett will look good for a year or two until injuries come in. And it’ll blockade them from improvising their roster. Signing Texeira to like 9 year/180 million just is too expensive. It’s not that he’s not worth it, but the Mets have other priorities. With the way how the market is looking, the Mets may be able to get Manny for 3 year/70 million. I don’t know if they want his personality in the clubhouse for three years though.
has there ever been a player that by having a good season has screw the plans of a team more than delgado last year?? man..
nostradmus,
do you honestly think it is omar who doesnt want tex or manny. obviosually not. he can only spend as much money as the wilpons let him.
Wigginton would be alright, but I don’t think he’ll sign him without having a concrete role. The only posiiton he’d make sense with the Mets would be 2B. But that’s not his natural position. He wouldn’t be any better there than Daniel Murphy. Same thing in LF.
Grudzy + Castillo is still cheaper than Hudson. Not to mention that you can’t just get Castillo’s money back. Thus anything extra you spend on 2B is money lost. Yes you could trade for Gullien. That means you just spent an extra 6 million this season on a guy you don’t really want, just to pay Hudson 10+. That’s an extra 16 million just to get rid of Castillo. Why not keep him and sign Grudzy for 1/2million and use that extra 14 million on another pitcher? You could sign Ollie and Lowe for that.
omar. do the right thing: two reliable starters who pitching into the 7th (ollie or lowe + garland) and a bat: speedster, pop, or grit.
the coppola sisters turned their mets site to p*rn. the mets need to win. i’d hate to see matt go in the same direction.
do me wright, who would have predicted that?
for all we know, omar may have been waiting for all the offers for tex to come to the table while secretly workin on a trade of delgado.. we don’t know what exactly he’s working on.. i hope i am right and he trades delgado with the opportunity to get tex..
alex, I thought the same thing.
I also feel that all along Omar looked at this off season as the year he rebuilt the foundation of the team, to be primed for a sustained run. And a lot of that was the big contraqcts for old guys he was done with.
Pedro, alou (and why he was signed in the first place), and of course Delgado.
so yeah, the big finish messed up the plan. Don’t know if they would have gone hard after Tex if CD had been cut loose, but it would be a lot more likely!
bigchart,
OF COURSE WE ALL WANT MANNY OR TEX but so do the SOX ANGELS YANKESS O’s Nationals, dodgers. do you get what im saying these are two of the best players in the game and bc the mets rly do not want to increase their payroll it is impossible to get them. we can prob get oli back though or lowe but we do not have enough money for a bat and a pitcher or 2
if omar is secretly working on trading delgado to get tex and if somehow it comes out that the mets get tex..omar will forever be one of the best general managers in the game
with the exception of tex, who we are NOT getting, is there anyone else there better than delgado to play 1st. NOOOOOO!!!!!!! get off his back the man will hit 30 with 100 rbis and I will take it from a 37 yr old man.
Murphy will put up the same numbers as Wiggy? Come on. Wiggy had a great season last year. Give him the fulltime LF spot and he can always slide to a different spot now and then. Murphy can be the super sub. It’s not like you have to take out one for the other every time.
I think the Mets have ONE big signing left this off-season outside of Tex or Manny. I’m hoping it’s Lowe, but most likely it’ll be Ollie.
In that case, I agree with all of you that Wiggy/Rivera, etc would be a great option. I think they’re all great role players that can hold up offensively unlike Castillo or Schneider.
which one of these 400 blog links is the Coppola sisters?
as much as we blame omar and all that for the past 4 years we’ve had 358 in the 4 years he’s been here.. that’s almost 90 wins per year.. that is not bad. he’s not been the bst gm, in fact he’s to me still inexperienced.. but i rather win every year than have a one year championship and dismantled.. with that being said i think we will be good for many years as long as we have #7 and D. Wright..
jromer01, I’m going to have to interject here and say ur wrong on the not being able to afford TEX part. I have it in black and white, just click on my name and you’ll see a roster that says we can.
jromer i agree with you..i think delgado is going to have his 2nd half of last year all of the 09 season
DELGADO IS A FUTURE HALL OF FAMER half of you are out of your mind the man can flat out rake. NO HE is not the same player he once was, but he is not 28 or 29 BUT 37. he started off bad last year bc had had wrist surgery it takes some time to get back to form. THERE IS NOONE out there who we can afford who is better than delgado. leave him alone.
remember, if they sign Ollie, it costs them 2 draft picks too (1/2 round + supplemental) that they would get from a team that signs him.
even if they sign lowe, they only trade 1st rounders 9actually, they lose a 2nd round pick since the 1st rounder went to LAA) and keep the supplemental one.
Although I have moved on, please don’t say the Mets don’t have money for Manny or Tex. It’s just not true and has been proven over and over.
Sign Manny/Tex 20 million
Sign SP 12 million
Trade Delgado, Schnieder and Show (already done) -20 million Get back #5 starter, bullpen help and utility man.
Off season done. Cost 12 million.
jromer (105)
borderline hall of famer.. he’s never won anything or accomplish anything that other players with great numbers have.. he was like a bunch of this era players:
great number while steroids was being use like tobacco chew gum..
yeah i dont see delgado going to the hall of fame…he is a great player but has not done anything major..hes a had a great career…i just dont see him being in the HOF
105jromer01, our arguement isn’t just about 2009 (although many of us aren’t confident you will get that much out of Dlegado), it is that they have a chance to add a key cog to the core for the next 8 years. that, and Delgado (for the reasons you state) can bring back some valuable pieces via trade.
so, done right, tex in/delgado out makes the team better in 2009, and vastly better in 2010+ (when Delgado is likely gone anyway).
If he comes back, and has a healthy productive year, the Mets should do fine. if he struggles agian or acts his age, they could be in trouble counting on him.
It’s not about who can play 1B better. We don’t understand this do we.
Tex/Manny and Murphy is better and close to the same price as Delgado and Wiggy for example.
nice job on salaries case.
however, if delgado is traded.. no team is going to take all his salary. also, i read somewhere that the mets would like keep their payroll at 143 mil, which is close to last season’s payroll.
As I said before if we don’t trade Delgado this year then he will be our starting 1B in 2010 as well.
If you sign Manny or Tex that is not the case.
Delgado is awful. He is a streaky hitter for half of 2007 and the first half of 2008 did absolutely nothing. He is a Club House Cancer, his play suddenly got better as soon as they let Willie gone. He doesn’t want to be a leader, He said so himself. He never wanted to come to NY and said so when he was a free agent and went to Florida.
Last season was his best season as a Met, funny he could have been bought out for 2 mil. The only thing i can say is this is a contract year and i hope he will be good. You take out July and September last season he has 15 homers and hits 240.
You trade him spend an extra 5 mil and you have Tex. 10 million a year andyou have Adam Dunn who puts up the same stats with a Better OPS and OBP then Delgado.
Lots of options to replace him.
you make trading those guys seem so easy thereal, just do it right? and we won’t have to pick up any of the money either. Nice fantasy land you live in. Unfortunately you can’t just “do” these things, it takes other teams, the right situation, the right time, i mean, we all wish Omar could just “do” what we want him to do. Doesn’t quite work like that in the real world of GM’ing a baseball team.
There would be plenty of teams that would take all of Delgado’s salary. He’s not that expensive. Not to mention he would give them a potential type A status after this year.
My idea is Delgado for Molina and Sanchez. That’s a good trade for the Mets and San Fran.
mark are you forgetting all about 2006?
that’s the thing, which delgado will show up in 2009?
the one who was horrendous or the hot/streaky one we had in july and september?
WE DON’T KNOW.. and omar is probably thinking the same thing.. OMAR loves this guy.. that is his man crush.. he dissed him and still went and got him..
It’s not that far fetched Darkstar.
Schnieder was mentioned to the RedSox. I am sure we could get Cora and a bullpen scrub.
Delgado would easily net a #4/5 starter from teams like San Fran, etc. And Show as already traded.
I don’t see it hard to think of a potential to get decent return for Delgado and Schnieder being they are both in their last years and not OVERLY priced.
What would any of you think of signing Daniel Cabrera, Brad Penny or Mark Mulder to compete with Niese? I think all of these would be low money/High reward guys..
whoever gets delgado back, they will not take on his entire salary. so that’s on top of manny/tex salary
If I could get Molina and Sanchez for Delgado and prospects (gotten from trade of Schnieder and Castro) I would do it yesterday.
Why would the Giants want Delgado for Molina and Sanchez? They now have no catcher, and a hole in their rotation. The Giants don’t make smart baseball decisions very often, but they wouldn’t be so dumb to make that one.
I completely disagree Kistics. I don’ think it would require any salary paid. Delgado with those numbers is a bargain at that price. Even so, it would be 2 million or so or taking on a guy like Bradford or Molina.
by the way lets hope delgado finishes with at least 31 homeruns…ti reach 500
They were mentioned in trading Molina already this year. They have a catcher in waiting. And they were mentioned in a deal to get Cantu for Sanchez.
mlem,
don’t forget Prior too. I like Penny and Mulder, but not a big fan of Cabrera
trs,
teams like SF cannot afford to pay delgado. and any AL teams that will use delgado as a DH would not pay that much either
Molina is an excellent hitting catcher, and Sanchez is a very young, raw starting pitcher with significant upside. If you are going to trade those two players in the same deal, it is not going to be for a 37 year old, unpredictable, below average defensive first baseman. And you are certainly not going to increase your own team’s payroll by $10M to do it.
If they are going to trade either of those guys, it is going to be for someone younger, with much more upside.
Nice deal to dream about, but that’s all it is.
Manny, Penny, Molina, Sanchez +32 million.
Delgado, Schnieder, Castro- 20. That’s only 12 million extra.
The cost of One FA Starter.
Reyes, Murphy, Wright, Manny, Beltran, Molina, Church, Castillo?
Johan, Pelfrey, Sanchez, Penny, Maine
That’s worth the moves and the 12 million to me.
apparently rox made an offer to tex for 200m
Signing Manny or Texeira at 20 million per year would be too much for the Mets payroll.
The Mets payroll rose about 12% in between 2007 & 2008. The payroll was at 137.4 million at the beginning of last season. If the payroll were to go up 12 percent again, it’d be about 154 million going into next season.
Between salary increases (ex. Santana, Reyes) and all the free agents the Mets had, they saved 30 million. 1.7 million went to Tatis. 12.3 million for K-Rod. The Putz trade added 3 million to the Mets payroll and the Schoenweis move saved 2. At least 4.5 million is going to the 5 Mets up for arbitration. Church should go from 2MM to 4MM, Maine from 400K to 2MM and each of Reed, Feliciano and Sanchez will each rise about 300K. After all those moves, it’d still leave the Mets in a 11.5 million surplus. That means the payroll would be at 126 million and they could go as high as 154. That’s 28 million to spend. So how do you use that 28 million all on two starting pitchers, a left-handed specialist, a back up middle IF and Manny or Texeira?
phillies re-signed moyer
If Ibanez is worth 10 mil a year, then Guillen is over priced and offers for him will be low. I’m not thrilled with Bradley, Abreu or Burrell, but Dunn is Intriguing, if for a short 2-3 contract at KRod money. Why would Dunn want to lock ibn for 4-5 years at 11-12 million a year when the market may bet better in 2-3 years? I expect quite a few short term deals made by players who aren’t going to get what they think they deserve.
sorry…meant to say sox
San Fran can’t afford Delagdo? LOL.
Besides they would be increasing payroll by 6 million not 10 million. Throw in a few more prospects, that’s fine. You would have gotten some decent prospects from Schnieder and Castro. Throw in Evans.
IF Omar were to Trade Delgado to clear room for Tex, what team can afford him that are not in Tex sweepstake?
Omar will not sign TEX without trading Delgado first. So the order is reversed from what all of you are thinking.
Yup, the Red Sox offered 10 years/200 million to Texeira and the A’s just offered Furcal 4 year/40 million so I’d expect both of these two players to be in the AL which is where we should want them to be.
trs,
why would they trade their veteran catcher only to take on more salary of verteran 1b? IF they are willing to trade Molina, it’s a salary dump. It doesn’t make sense to take on more salary.
Sox 10/200. Compete with that to get TEX?? Wilpons are not that adventerous after they lost 300 mil
That’s an unconfirmed report!
kistics, if SF is looking for a bat, which has been reported, they can get Delgado for $6M (Delgado – Molina). That’s much cheaper than Manny or anyone else out there. So if they have a C to replace Molina, why wouldn’t they do that?
Because Molina was the CLEANUP hitter last year. Delgado gives them a bat at 1B. They have a catcher to take Molina’s spot. They would still be getting a lot of prospects in the deal. Most likely 3-4 at least.
Moyer’s re-signing along with Park’s signing and possibility of being the Phillies 5th SP has eliminated them from the Derek Lowe sweepstakes. So the Mets odds have increased there. The Red Sox don’t appear to consider him a priority with their pursuing of Texeira. Even with CC and Burnett, the argument could still be made the Red Sox have a better rotation than the Yankees. And the Dodgers haven’t really pursued re-signing Lowe. So I think the only real competition out there for the Mets may be the Braves. Unless the Brewers, Jays Rangers and Angels get involved.
With Murphy I don’t think the order has to be reversed. If Delgado leaves Murphy/Evans can play 1B or LF.
That 28 million for next season’s payroll I mentioned that’s still available to usage should be used as this:
1) Sign Derek Lowe 4 year/54 million
2) Trade for Jason Marquis and get Cubs to pay 2.8 of the 9.8 million due on his contract leaving the Mets to pay 7 million.
3) Sign Brian Shouse 1 year/2.5 million
4) Re-sign Damion Easley 1 year/1 million
Overall, this would cost 24 million and still leave the Mets with some left over if they tried swapping Castillo and Guillen.
Not interested in Nady. Been there, done that- I wasn’t that impressed with his brief Mets career. He never got a hit when it counted, and was a bit of slug in the OF. Besides, the last thing I’d want the Mets to do was take the NYY’s leftover trash if they get a big bat like Teixeira or Manny. Mets need Manny desperately- I can’t say that enough. Ante up, Freddie Coupons.
I would definitely do Castillo for Guillen though.
The problem with trading Schneider as a salary dump is that it’ll cost the Mets similarly or more to replace his production. Would signing a guy like Pudge really do anything? The Giants place too much value on Bengie Molina. They want back Parnell or Murphy who the Mets won’t part with for a decent rent-a-catcher.
I like the idea of signing Brad Penny to an incentive laden deal or Livan Hernandez to a cheap one year contract to compete with Jon Niese, but I don’t know if I could ever see pitcher’s like Mark Mulder, Mark Prior,or Bartolo Colon even lasting a month without injury again. I just don’t think Daniel Cabrerra’s is all that good of a pitcher either.
Molina would not be that hard to get. I want to trade Schnieder either way. Are you kidding about replacing his production? Is it that much better than what the Phillies got out of their catcher spot? The Phillies had 3 catchers that combined to make 1.5 million. The Mets had 2 that combined to make 8.5 million. That’s a lot of lost money.
2:34pm: A reader who heard the show says Patrick was only speaking in the hypothetical with the $200MM figure, so Bloom’s post was apparently inaccurate. This is why I typically avoid radio reports unless I hear them myself…sorry about that. In listening to the Reggie Miller interview on Patrick’s site he was definitely only giving an opinion during that portion.
NYJ0126
For the love of God, never mention Livan Hernandez and the Mets in the same sentence ever again. It was reported that we were going to settle on Livan last year the weekend before we got Johan and I almost slit both my wrists. It is just too risky to even think about that guy.
Can you imagine if we had Livan all of 2008 instead of Johan? Wow……..
Where is Angel Pagan when you need him? lol
I don’t think they were realistically consider Livan was the sole pitcher to their answers. They also considered signing Kyle Lohse to the same deal the Cardinals gave him at the end of this season. Lohse turned out to do pretty decent. Livan on a minor league deal or one year/600K deal though is just another guy to compete. There’s not much risk involved. If he does well, go for him. If he doesn’t, just release him.
Guillen and Greinke for Castillo and many prospects.
Forget Nady. Trade for McClouth.
this is what the mets need to do
understand that the mets want murphy to get playing time in the outfield so him and tatis have to platoon and im to the point where i believe that is whats going to happen. Dont expect any major signings for the outfield.
I do believe tho that they might go after either TY wiggington or Marcus Thames , for TY’s reasons are because he plays many positions and would be able to fill in when starters need to rest and is a right hand hitter and can play the outfield so hes there one option. The second is marcus thames because hes a righthand hitting outfielder that has power and come off the bench in crucial pinch hit moments with power and can spell for ryan church incase he cant hit off lefties this season which has to be taken as a big concern cant go into the season taking chances.
After that the mets still have to try to move castillo for more bullpen help or for prospect to add to the farm and pay as much of the contract as possible. If they can remove castillo orlando hudson and i know alot of people dont like him much and i can understand that on some points but he is younger than castillo he plays great defense which is what we want for our pitchers best defense posiible he also is a switch hitter and hits with more pop than castillo and is the perfect number 2 hitter but this only if castillo can be traded.
If he cant be traded than the most likly will be either signings of alex cora or jerry hairston jr. for back.
Now as for the rotation which is the hardest to project becuase of the large contracts these free agnets are looking for i predit this.
Mets are going to go into the season with either oliver perez or derek lowe i am convinced there talking to scott boras on both his clients and 1 of them will be a met.
second i see either signings like daniel cabrera and 1 year deal with pedro martinez going down to compete with niese in spring.
if they go the expensive rout for a #5 than they will either trade for marquis , sign garland, or sign randy wolf
after all this the mets will need to replace marlon anderson in the bench because he clearly is a good teammate but just isnt the bench player were looking for this season
bench players are in a season and i beleive the mets should take the bench role just as serious as the lineup depth and pitching wins championships and were going in the right direction lets just hope minaya doesnt hit and speed bumps
So now after all this I truly believe with a stronger bull pen now and hopefully a healthy staff the mets have the mentality and unit to win back the east and veteran status to go far in the playoffs and win a world series but these are just asomtions but hopefully things go the way i see and i believe we will be fine.
Then again you can always sign MANNY RAMIREZ and all problems are solved off 1 signings but those are just dreams lol :)
I just can’t even begin to fathom a team that collapsed 3 years in a row not making any offensive change other than adding a stiff like Alex Cora. Unacceptable. This cannot happen.
i wouldn’t say they collapsed in 06 but i get your point…i’m becoming more and more interested in giving abreu a 3 yr deal…i mean the guy can hit 290/20/100 with 20 sbs and hed be a great 2-hitter for this team…i think they can add a lefty instead of a righty as long as theyre putting him in the 2-hole…reyes, abreu, wright, delgado, beltran, church, castillo, schneider, pitcher…not bad and youll never have a lefty back to back against lefty starters