Friday night, the Mets traded Scott Schoeneweis to the D’Backs for RHP Conor Robertson.
This means, Pedro Feliciano is the only left-handed relief pitcher on the team’s 40–man roster.
LHP Joe Beimel is reportedly seeking a two– or three-year deal, worth 
roughly $4 million per season, and, from what I can gather, the Mets are not interested – nor should they be at that prince. I mean, he’s good, but he’s not that good.
Also available on the free-agent market is Brian Shouse, Dennys Reyes, Will Ohman and Eddie Guardado, among others.
The 30–year-old Shouse held left-handed hitters to a .180 batting average last season, with a 28–to-2 strikeout-to-walk ratio.
Reyes, 31, is the ultimate left-handed specialist, since it is literally all he is good for – lefties hit .202 against him last season, and are batting .237 during his 535–game career. The same can actually be said for Guardado, who will soon be 39 years old.
Ohman will likely require a long-term deal, and has drawn interested form the Cardinals and Braves, who have reportedly made him an offer.
On Saturday, NPB Tracker said Mets are the front-runners to sign Japanese free-agent LHP Ken Takahashi, who was 8-5 with a 3.50 ERA in 21 games last season for the Hiroshima Toyo Carp.
According to the report, Takahashi hopes to sign with a new team by the end of the year.
Joe Nelson is a RHP.
Maybe Ken Takahashi could be Okajima and most teams would be turned off by his ERA and stuff but if he comes cheap or at a reasonable price, I wouldn’t mind having him in the pen.
We should look at Nelson. His stuff was pretty good from what I saw. I gather it would take a 2 year deal.
Yes, Nelson is a RHP.
love the ned flanders reference matt
And Brian Shouse is 40.
Dude, did you watch the last Mets game of the year? Joe Nelson—most definitely a RIGHT-HANDED PITCHER—earned the victory for the Marlins.
Credibility, Matt.
It’s all about credibility.
according to baseball-reference, Joe Nelson is a RHP.
I fear Beimel, he had a good ERA last year but all other factors are not good.
Reyes is too extreme.
Guardado, please. While not great, he is a seasoned vet with closer experience and a mentor to Putz. He’d be a welcome addition to the bullpen on a number of levels IMO.
Dennys Reyes is one of the best lefty specialists in baseball over the past 3 years
the guy had a 0.89 era in 2006 and a 2.33 era in 08 and only pitched in 20 something games in 07 but still had an era under 4.
he also can get righties out however the catch is he was awful before going to minnesota and is a type B
I’m not sure why this wasn’t publicized in the papers but this news is outstanding. Thank goodness and good riddance SS!!!
One year deal to Eddie or Shouse works for me.
This whole thread begs the question of why we even trade Schoeneweiss to begin with. I mean, he did hold lefties to an average under .200.
I can’t believe is was to save only $2 million. Maybe the team just thought he couldn’t handle the fans anymore.
Sign Ohman simply for his outstanding Harry Carey impression.
stay away from a true loogy.
a guy that can at least be nominally effective against RH batters is what they need, since Pedro sure isn’t.
Maybe this Japanese dude can handle both? He has been a starter, so he must be used to them. And don’t these guys usually have about 18 different pitches they throw? in short doses, the league may not figure him out.
although he is 39 everyday eddie is the best choice for various reasons
no issue with a type B. The Mets don’t lose a pick for that. Unless they somehow run into a signing limit, but so far, only K Rod counts, and hard to see them signing a bunch more. Maybe 1 of sheets/lowe?
Joe Nelson is a righty…
Guardado sounds good to me.
sign reyes.. just to see 3 reyeses in the lineup
Eddie or Takahashi on a one year deal. No more long term deals to specialists!
I think a LOOGY is actually the way to go. We’ll need one to face Howard, Utley, Ibanez and to turn around Rollins and Victorino. Feliciano isn’t enough to get by that’s for sure.
Other news which hasn’t been discussed on this site is that the Mets non-tendered Burgos and A Reyes
The Showenweisss deal made no sense whatsoever, we saved a couple of mill and threw away a guy with loogy value and got back a guy with no vlaue at all…
Dumb.
@Stickguy.
The japanese dude is garbage. Doesn’t through over 84 mph or something like that.
How about we bring back Mr. Koo????
Tony,
its about psyche at this point. That man cannot succeed here and fans wont let him
Guardado!!
And the picture of the leftorium is perfect and hilarious!
And we traded Schoeneweis because he is absolutely terrible, and has been consistently terrible his entire career. Check out the inherited runner stats….like OBP and WHIP, this is a stat that will eventually be more commonly used…..
“The Showenweisss deal made no sense whatsoever, we saved a couple of mill and threw away a guy with loogy value and got back a guy with no vlaue at all…”
Two things here:
1 – addition by subtraction
2 – clearing salary to get Lowe or Perez
The Mets have about $18M to spend – figure $12 – 16M on the front line starter and the remaining on middle infielder (Cora) and a fifth starter to compete with Niese
1. Addition by subtraction.
Not really, he wasn’t that bad last year. I’m not a fan at all, but pelase the guy we got back is garbage. SS has loogy value, in a pen featuring lockdown 8th and 9th inning guys, we could have used SS as a loogy.
2. Clearing salary to get Low or Perez.
It’s $2M over 1 year, it’s nothing. Also you have no idea what the Mets budget is, and neither do i, so that’s just specualtion.
We didn’t dump any real salary or get back any talent of note.
someone asks why did we even get rid of showenweiss? wow, this is after the entire fan base was calling for his head, booed him opening day, and would have traded him for the proverbial “bag of balls” at any point last season. He obviously needed to go, no matter what. It’s about setting a new tone in the clubhouse, in the bullpen, and getting rid of some of the negativity that the fans are holding onto. You do that by trading Show. If we were all level headed mature adults as fans, he could stick around and be a lefty specialist, but we’re not, so he has to go.
Schoeneweis is terrible. Maybe his overall record against lefties resulted in a good BA, but again, his inherited runner stats were awful, and my guess is that the 1 out of 5 lefties who hit him were Howard, Helton, and every other good lefty. And in the last game, we saw what he is capable of with the season on the line.
Releasing him would have been an excellent move. Getting someone else to pay him to stink up the place next year was almost as brilliant as the Putz trade.
“It’s $2M over 1 year, it’s nothing. Also you have no idea what the Mets budget is, and neither do i, so that’s just specualtion.”
That $2M will pay for the backup middle infielder, which IMO will be a pretty important piece considering Castillo’s health issues from last year
It has been written that Minaya will like to maintain $143M payroll….obviously nothing is set in stone, but that does seem like a reasonable figure.
That being said, the Mets “probably” have up to $16M to spend on a front line starter, which is definitely their number 1 priority right now.
How about giving ricardo rincon a minor league deal again…why not…he wasn’t bad at the end of the year when he came up…especially if he’s only facing lefties
its hard to be a met fan
you are absolutely right now lets hope the Mets dont waste that money on Ollie Perez. Let him go someplace else and collect the draft picks which we’ll need after signing K-Rod and hopefully Lowe or Sheets
Please not another Loogy…. So the Mets have to face the Lefty heavy Philly lineup for 20 games. There are still 140 games where a Loogy isn’t so useful.
NO MORE OOGY’S. NO MORE OOGY’S…
“you are absolutely right now lets hope the Mets dont waste that money on Ollie Perez. Let him go someplace else and collect the draft picks which we’ll need after signing K-Rod and hopefully Lowe or Sheets”
Amen to that
SS got trade because he was a cancer. He got booed on the OD and game 162, he was terrible through and through. I celebrate his trade the most.
We got a young guy in exchange, that’s great.
If we could do the same with Delgado and Castillo and just get some prospects, I’d be happy.
I wonder if Feliciano and Sanchez are on the block too. Will Omar consider bringing Duque back for the pen, he said he wants to close, maybe he can close the 6th in a 10-0 game, ha!
BTW, Tex is still a free agent. It’s looking like it’s gonna be the Angels and Red Sox, and the mystery team (Mets)!
Tyler Johnson would be a good guy to bring in on a minor league invite. He’s only 28 and is recovering from an injury.
Ohman will be expensive
Denny Reyes sounds ok but I think he will be expensive and may look for multiple years.
Ricardo Rincon would be another good invite
Shouse is old but still effective against both sides. Interesting that he turned down arbitration, however.
As anyone on here more than today would know, my favorite of the group is Guardado. This guy is perfect. Should come on a 1-2 year deal for cheap and would be a guy that could form an incredible 7, 8, 9.
I think A Reyes is gondie………..released but he may come back on a minor league deal for depth at AAA
Cora would be the backup I would want since he can spell Castillo
As for the lefty it looks like this Japanese dude which i am ok with for one yr………….D.Reyes would be funny to have
the other thing to look at is that even though Schoeneweis had some success, Manuel refused to use him. Since they already stupidly decided to keep Manuel, might as well get a guy Manuel will at least consider using.
“Richard Justice doesn’t think Drayton McLane would ask Ed Wade to trade Roy Oswalt, but he could see Oswalt requesting a trade”
i’ll take him any day
Yikes, all this LOOGY talk made me sneeze. We need to develop some guys in the minors for these roles.
I am really torn between Ollie and Lowe. Ollie is a headache, but our main rivals have a hard time against him. Lowe is more experienced, less of a headache, but much more hittable and older. What to do?
I think Omar will bring in a few LHRP to compete for that last spot in the pen.
That being said, while it should not be a LOOGY I would like for it to be a LHRP. A guy like Guardado and Shouse can get out both sides of the plate.
TRS, I sincerely hope your wish of Guardado is granted….adding him to the pre-8th inning bullpen mix would be amazing, and he would be a better lefty specialist than anything we have recently had. He would not have to pitch too much, and would be great in a 6th/7th inning, LH specialist role.
If we add him, this pen will be even more tremendous!
Sorry, Shouse can’t get out RH. My bad.
However, Everyday Eddie has a .210 .268 split. That’s far from being a speicalist.
The bullpen concerns are in Minaya’s rearview mirror….it is full speed ahead for starting pitchers….by the time he revisits the bullpen (probably in Spring Training), the Guardado’s and Shouse’s of the world will be long gone….the door will be open for the Ricardo Rincon’s of the world much like last spring
Kingman I don’t think we need or want him to be a specialist. The guy is a former closer that pitches well enough to both sides. You only need 1 real specialist from each side.
Let him be the 7th inning guy RH or LH.
I agree TRS, I am just saying that with KRod for the 9th and Putz for the 8th, we can use Eddie for the 7th, but on occasion as a specialist, which he would be great at. I think he is excellent, and having a 3rd successful closer in the pen would be amazing. I fully agree that Eddie/JJ/Krod is incredible for the 7th/8th/9th, but I am just saying that Jerry could still use Eddie instead of Feliciano occasionally to get a tough lefty out maybe with 2 outs in the 8th on a day you don’t use Putz.
phillies signed chan ho park as a starter!? woohoo! cant wait for the mets to tee off on him.. i also agree with the above guys as having eddie as the extra lefty. i know we shouldnt be worrying about what the phillies are doing, but with ibanez now on the team, they are very lefty-oriented and another solid lefty is extremely necessary.
Now I understand the Takahashi interest a little bit more. I did not realize he was a lefty. All I know is we can’t rely on Feliciano as our only lefty out of the pen…
Agree. In my mind Feliciano would be the pre 7th inning specialist.
Ok, so if we don’t get one of these guys what about
Eddie Camacho? Young guy in our minors with decent numbers against LH’s.
Bring in a bunch of guys like Camacho, Rincon, Tyler Johnson, Juan Perez, etc to compete for that last spot if you can’t get Everyday Eddie.
Another LHRP is not needed because Philliy got a LH hitter. It’s needed because we don’t have another LHRP. We beat the Phillies 1-1 last year, that does not get it done. It’s the games against the Nats, Marlins and Braves that hurt just as much.
K-Rod
Putz
Eddie
Ayala
Cordero
Feliciano
Stokes
Do we have to keep the Rule 5 guys on 25 man or 40 man?
yeah, we beat the phillies last year with two lefty specialists, and they only had howard and utley as lefties… and if u think bringing in a bunch of guys and hoping that they can work it out for a good pen will work, look at last years pen and the implosion that they had.
40 man
OLD FORMAT??? WHAT IS THE DEAL WITH THIS. ANNYOING YOU CAN NOT RESPOND TO PEOPLES POSTS. ANYONE ONE NO WHAT THE DEAL IS WITH THIS? I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE JSUT FOR THE WEEK OF THE WINTER MEETINGS WHEN THE TRAFFIC WAS HIGH
Incredible, amazing bullpen.
casestreet and nymetsfan, i believe we have to keep them on the 25 in order to avoid offering them back to the team they were selected from, unless the guy is hurt which may be the case with this year’s selection
Your not pulling Putz or K-Rod in the eigth or ninth for a lefty so one is really only needed.
I don’t mind them adding another lefty just as long as he is effective.
Maybe this guy there looking at signing from Japan can be effective against lefties.
I like the idea of every day Eddie.
I don’t think Ayala is coming back. I have been reading that Sanchez is going to be back.
Personally I like Juan Cruz to be the 7th inning guy, with PF as the LOOGY.
sundaysection, your right, 25 man major league roster.
Sundaysection, if Eddie, Ohman or Reyes can’t be had then why not have players competing for the 2nd LHRP spot? As mentioned on here Putz nor Krod are coming out very often just to hide from Utley or Howard. That means you need a 6th and 7th inning LHRP.
Actually if it was not for stunting his growth, Niese would be perfect in that spot as a Long Reliever/ LHRP.
TO FRONT OFFICE:
I KNOW YOU MAY BE WORRIED ABOUT THE CURRENT STATE OF THE ECONOMY.. BUT PLEASE LETS WORRY ABOUT YOUR DELICATE FAN BASE. YOU’LL FACING LARGER RISKS IF THIS TEAM DOESNT PRODUCE IN A CONSECUTIVE 3RD YEAR IN A ROW.
UNHAPPY FANS = EMPTY SEATS. AND TIGHT POCKETS.
HAPPY PEOPLE LOVE TO SPEND.
WHAT HAPPENS IF THE TEAM FAILS TO PRODUCE DUE TO THE LACK OF A CONSISTANT STARTING ROTATION.
DONT PUT THIS SEASON ON THE SHOULDERS OF MINOR LEAGUERS. THEY’LL JUST OVER THROW AND WILL NOT PERFORM, LET THEM DEVELOP THEIR CONFIDENCE AND TALENT.
GO GET MANNY, LOWE, AND PEREZ
GIVE MANNY AND HIS 3 YRS
GIVE LOWE HIS TOP DOLLAR
GIVE PEREZ A LOW BALL OFFER HE DOEST DESERVE NO MORE THAN 11-12.5 MILLION FOR INCONSISTANY . THE ONLY GOOD THING ABOUT HIM IS THAT HES YOUNG AND SOMETIMES WHEN HE WANTS TO BE, ELECTRIC.
GET EDDIE FOR THE PEN.
PLATOON MURPHY AND CASTILLO AT SECOND
GIVES UR SOME VERSATILITY OFF THE BENCH A COMBINATION WHICH EVALUATES TO A COMPLETE HITTER OFF THE BENCH AND ON THE FIELD.. YOU’LL GET GREAT CONTACT HITTERS, DISCIPLINE (MURPHY), CLUTCH(MURPHY), SPEED (PINCH RUN CASTILLO), ABOVE AVERAGE DEFENSE (CASTILLO).
METSBLOG….
Was that letter written in telegraph form or something?
LOLZ NO… JUST FROM THE HEARTS FROM ALL THE MET FANS WHO CONTRIBUTE THEIR TIME ON THIS BLOG AND OUR BELOVED TEAM..
WE NEED TO STICK IT TO THE YANKS, BECAUSE I WORRY THAT YOU’LL SEE SOME MET FANS CONVERT TO YANKEE FANS AND YOU’LL SEE PENNY PINCHERS FROM THE TOP OFFICE WHEN STUFF LIKE THAT HAPPENS
i was thinking Neise too. Not sure it would really hurt his growth, and he would be handy for spot starts.
or, root around at AA and AAA. They had some decent productin guys that may not be hot prospects that could do the job.
Get them all into ST and see who rises tot he top.
YEAH I HERE YA.. BUT WE CANT GO INTO THIS SEASON ON HOPING A PLAYER WILL RESURFACE..BECAUSE I BELIEVE OUR LUCK WILL WEAR THIN ON GETTING A COMEBACK STAR.
LETS SAY MAINE ISNT AT TOP SHAPE AGAIN.. PLAYERS USUALLY NEED ANOTHER YEAR TO REGAIN THEIR FEELING FOR THE BALL.. HE’S NOT GOING TO BE THE SAME JOHN MAINE.. THINK ULL HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER YEAR FOR THAT
WE CANT GO INTO THIS SEASON BASED ON HOPE: LIKE THE WAY WE DID FOR
ALOU, EL DUQUE, WAGNER, HELIMAN, AND DUANER
I BELIEVE DUANER WILL HAVE A GREAT YEAR FOR THE SIMPLE FACT HE HAD A YEAR TO RECOVER AND GET THE FEEL FOR THE BALL..
Well your not talking from one mets fan…. Me. While I would like all players i know for one it isn’t happening. And I for one am not willing to meet Lowe’s outrageous contract demands. He’s not THAT good.
I’d much rather sign Ollie for cheaper and fill in the #5 spot with Jon Garland.
I would love a trade the sent Castillo and Delgado anywhere for anything and bring in Tex.
To stick it to the Yankees you need to win a world series. Not go out and stupidly spend and over-spend on guys. That is Being the yankees. 250+ million on 2 guys. 83 million on a guy who makes 20 starts a year. Wow! Hope he’s worth his million a start.
LOWE IS NOT A RISK. HE’S 35 OR 36
GROUND BALL PITCHER…
WON WORLD SERIES WITH RED SOX
COMPETED IN THE PLAYOFFS WITH THE DODGERS RIGHT AFTER
WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU? HE’S A WINNER
3 YEARS 15 MIL? 45 MILLION ? COME ON.
METS FRANCHISE CAN MAKE THAT IN A DAY BEFORE EVEN OPENING UP THE STADIUM. BY SELLING THEIR MERCHANDISE
ITS A MULTI BILLION DOLLAR BUSINESS
JUST TO QUOTE THE ORGANIZATION TO SOME WHAT TO THIS EXTENT ” OUR 300MILLION DOLLAR LOSS WILL NOT AFFECT OUR DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS OF OUR ORGANIZATION”
300 MILLION DOLLARS? IN ONE YEAR ? LOSS HAAA IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY LOST 5 DOLLARS FROM WALKING OUT THE SUBWAY
AND THEIR TV NETWORK. JUST TO ADD
AND NO ONE WILL ACCEPT DELGADO OR CASTILLO TO PLAYERS WHO ARE ON THE VERGE OF DECLINE…
METS ARE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCE OF BAD CONTRACT FOR A PERSON WITH KNEE PROBLEMS.. WHICH WAS THE MOST ESSENTIAL PART OF HIS GAME.
ENOUGH SAID.
First off that 300 million was from an entirely different company. That was the Wilpons investment company. Not the Mets.
2nd. 3 years for 45 mil is fine for Lowe. If that is what it will take i’m good with that. The last rumor i saw had him in the 17-18 million a year range. That is way over-paying.
3rd. Lowe did win a World Series on the 2004 Red Sox, but he wasn’t really the reason why. He was actually terrible that year, 12-14 with a over 5 ERA. He didn’t even start a game in the Playoffs.
So take that WINNER… with a grain of salt.
Lowe isn’t a #2 starting pitcher. He’s a top end #3 who has been in the #2 or #1 role in LA. To give him anything more then 12-15 million a year for 3 years is stupid.
METSBLOGG4LYFE, you do know that they run separate businesses? The investment firm may be worth billions but I’m sure its operation and budget has nothing to do with the Mets budget and operation or vice versa.
It’d be very risky If one depended on the other.
the mets should deal church for a good reliever. THEN WE CAN SIGN MANNY!
sorry he did make a start in the playoffs he actually pitched pretty well in the playoffs. I was looking at a espn and it looked like he hadn’t.
I am still not willing to over pay for him.
Delgado is very managable for teams who need either a 1st baseman or a DH. His 1 year 12 million dollar contract is very easy to move. If they want to.
Castillo can be moved. But they will either eat the contract or take on another teams headache.
I’d rather just cut him.
METSBLOGG4LYFE you are right on the money!
The revenue Manny can generate can help the Wilpons recoup some of that 300M lost.
Matt: Please restore the old posting format.
PEOPLE FORGET WHO SIGNS THE CHECK OF THESE PLAYERS…
WILPONS..
300MILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENT —- WILPONS
OF COURSE IT WILL EFFECT THEM. THEY NEED TO BE AGGRESSIVE AND PURSUE MANNY..
OK AS FAR AS LOWE
CAREER ERA : 3.75
CAREER WINS: 126
CAREER LOSES: 107
OLIVER PEREZ
CAREER ERA : 4.39
CAREER WINS: 55
CAREER LOSES: 60
WHO DESERVES THE MONEY MORE..
ALSO TO ADD LOWE HAD A 3.24 ERA WITH A WINNING RECORD THIS YEAR WITH A ALRIGHT TEAM.. MANNY SHOWED UP JUST TO LATE.. AND OTHER THINGS AS WELL WITH THE LACK OF DEFENSE
BIG BALL PARK… PITCHER FRIENDLY
GOLD GLOVE WRIGHT, BELTRAN
POTENTIAL GLOVE REYES
CASTILLO: ONCE OR TWICE A GOLD GLOVER
AND A STACKED BULLPEN
LOWE- WILL JUST BE GREAT AS THE #2 MAN
mark4212
if the mets are not going to get Manny then why wouldnt you spend the extra 5 mil a year on Lowe??
he might not be worth 16 mil a year but he is 10 times better than Perez or Garland.
WE SHOULD START A PETITION. LOLZ
GET MANNY AND LOWE!
METSBLOGGYYYYY–
Derek Lowe when he was Oliver Perez’s age-
11–18 record with a bad ERA.
Poor comparison, even in all caps.
Ole,
Simple. Becuase i don’t want to be paying 18 million a year to a 39-40 year old Lowe.
I’m all in if its 16, that might be the highest i go. You still need a #5 starter then. I don’t think Neise is ready. Look at how bad Pelfrey was for his first 2 years. Even half of last season he was 0-8 i believe at one point.
I don’t think that Ollie is worth what he is probably going to get either. Omar is actually being very smart here, and not going above what they think a guy is worth, just to get a guy.
I would love Manny and Lowe. But unless the price drops on Lowe he isn’t coming, and neither is Manny. So why keep posting about it. Unless Delgado and Castillo are shipped out those 2 probably aren’t happening.
the thing is Lowe will cost the mets probably 5 mil a year more than Perez.
Lowe makes the team so much better then with Perez that spending the extra 5 mil is more than worth it
11- 18 WHERE U GETTIN UR STATS? HE NEVER HAD THAT.. WHEN HE WAS OLIVER’S AGE IT WAS IN 2000
4-4 ERA 2.56 HE WAS A CLOSER BACK THEN
SVO 47 SAVES 42
AND IM NOT SAYIN NOT TO GET OLLIE BUT NOT FOR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY HE WANTS
LOWE DESERVES IT MORE
aren’t we all tired of the Oliver Perez roller coaster and praying for the “good Ollie” to show up?
IM TIRED OF HEARING IF THE PRICE DROPS… THE METS HAVE THE MONEY.. IM NOT SAYIN TO MEET THEIR ASKING PRICE BUT ATLEAST COME CLOSE TO IT AND NEGOTIATE. THEY CAN BE HAD. IF THE METS PONY UP..
If the only other major move Omar makes is signing a guy like Wolf then we are in trouble . I can’t see a guy like Tatis repeating and Pelf and Maine are question marks ,Maine coming off of surgey and can Pelf repeat then what about Delgado can he repeat ?
it doesnt matter what you pay it matters what results you get.
Lowe at age 40 will be better than Perez at age 30
LOWE IN 2002
WINS: 21
LOSES: 8
ERA: 2.58
PEREZ WAS IN A GOOD TEAM WITH OFFENSE AND DEFENSE.. JUST NO BULLPEN. AND HAD 10-7 ERA 4.22
LOWE WAS IN A TEAM LAST YEAR WITH BARELY ANYTHING AND WAS 14-11 ERA 3.24
LOWE WILL PRACTICALLY AGE YOUNGER BECAUSE OF ALL THE HELP HE WILL HAVE AND NOT KILL HIMSELF FOR A WIN
Oops, good point METSBLOGGY, forgot he was a closer for a while! Sorry bout that!
But he wasn’t a full time closer until he was 26 (but his W-L was 11–18)—Oliver Perez is 27 right now, and the last two years he was 25–17 with loads of Ks…and yes, too many walks.
Ollie surely has the stuff to be better than Lowe, although it surely is questionable whether he can be consistent….
THATS MY POINT… WE CANT SIT HEAR AND PRAY AND HOPE OLLIE CAN PERFORM AND BE THE BEST.. GIVE HIM A TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT OFFER
OR GIVE HIM A SHORTER TERM CONTRACT SO HE CAN TEST THE MARKET SOMEWHERE NEAR THE FUTURE IN THE NEXT 2-3 YEARS WE’LL HAVE GUYS READY TO TAKE HIS PLACE
BUT GET LOWE AS LEVERAGE…
THIS YEAR WAS HIS WALK YEAR AND HE STILL FAILED TO PERFORM THIS YEAR TO INCREASE HIS PAY WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU…
LOWE IS THE SURE THING.
Well, Lowe is reliable, that is for sure, but Ollie has such a greater upside potential…and he was better than Lowe in 2007, while Lowe was a little better last year. Lowe for 3 years maybe is the saner choice, but not for the kooky numbers we first heard before CC and Burnett signed….3/45 for Lowe would work, but I wouldn’t give more than 3 years to an aging pitcher with loads of mileage on his arm. And Lowe is good, yes, but he is not great, and has spent most of his career on good teams….
Lowe + Manny = missing pieces
AND U THINK OLLIE IS SUPERMAN AND WILL NEVER GET HURT? LET’S BE FOR REAL
LOWE IS A GAMER A PERFORMER. AND CONSISTENT. HE WON’T PUT ANY STRESS ON HIS ARM BECAUSE OF ALL THE HELP HE HAS BEHIND HIM
AMEN- LNBGS
OLLIE IS NOT EVEN THAT GREAT WHEN HE’S HEALTHY IMAGINE HOW HE WILL BE AFTER HE GETS HURT…YOU MIGHT AS WELL PUT A RUNNING WALKWAY TO FIRST BASE
okay everyone who wants lowe, i just wanna make sure you know that his era was deflated because he pitched in that crap division right. im pretty sure the rockies, dbacks, and giants, and padres are all most of the worst offensive teams in baseball. look at lowes era the last 2 years he was in the al i think it was high 4 or 5 possibbly. atleast we know what we are getting from oli. hes younger, and he can pitch in the big game no matter what anyone says. i like lowe but i think he is going to be overpiad and overrated because of his great stats last year. yes lowe is a gamer and he is a solid 3 but i dont think he is the answer to getting us to the world series. PEAVY!!!!!!! give up fmart parnell and kunz and get us a legit number 2, who is an obvious ace, just make sure that his elbows fine. WE NEED TO WIN NOW that beltran krodp putz wright and reyes are in their prime. THIS IS A WIN NOW TEAM.
METSBLOG4LIFE,
noone is saying oli is great, but he is the best pitcher on the market or second best if you say that derek is better. the bottom line is that there isnt much out there and we know what we are getting from oli, so why not bring him back
OK GETTING PEAVY YOUR INCREASING OUR CHANCES TO HAVE A HINDERED STARTING ROTATION WITH A GUY WHOSE PRONE TO INJURY….
IM NOT SAYING NOT TO PURSUE OLLIE
WHAT IM SAYING IS LOWE IS THE BEST PITCHER ON THE MARKET AS ADVERTISED! OK.
WHO SHOULD BE HEAVILY PURSUED OF THE TWO?
- LOWE.. WHY?
PAST 3 OR 4 SEASON ERA BELOW 4.00
GROUND BALL PITCHER
PITCHER FRIENDLY PARK
WORLD SERIES RING
FACED ADVERSITY
MORE RELIABLE
AND IS CONSISTANT
OLLIE IS JUST TO FLIMZY FOR MY TASTE.. HELL BE A GREAT 5 MAN THATS FOR SURE…
Santana | Peavy | Lowe | Pelf | Maine
yes its a day dream i know…
98METSBLOGG4LYFE,
Thanks for using caps…makes it easier to skip past your comments.
LOL Meat DaMutts,
98METSBLOGG4LYFE has as little familiarity with turning off CAPS LOCK as his has with the concept of a team having a budget.
Bring back the old comments style!
METSBLOGG4LYFE …
FIRST! SHUT OFF THE CAPS
and you forgot to list downsides to lowe??
-Lowe is much older then Ollie
-his upside is no were near Ollies
-Lowe skills are deminishing while Ollie is in his prime.
-Lowe cost more
-Ollie destroys the Phils and Braves, you can say “o well we play other teams and we beat the Phils last year…” thats one year… those are still the most important games of the year.
The Mets definitely need another lefty relief pitcher. I’m all for shouse or reyes, just someone to come in and get out howard and utley as well as Ibanez. We need someone to get out those philly hitters.