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Free-agent LHP Andy Pettitte has a three-
year, $36 million offer from an ‘unnamed team,’ reports Jon Heyman at SI.com.
The Yankees have been waiting for Pettitte to accept a one-year, $10–million offer, Heyman says.
…umm, crazy thought…but, is there any chance that the Mets are the ‘unnamed team,’ since they are supposedly seeking a front-end, left-handed starting pitcher…
According to Heyman, “If Pettitte doesn’t ever take the Yankees’ longstanding offer, the Yankees will consider either making an offer to Ben Sheets or resuming discussions with Derek Lowe to round out their revamped rotation.”
Speaking of starting pitchers…
The Phillies have re-signed LHP Jamie Moyer to a two-year deal, according to a team press release.
Also, the Phillies signed Chan-Ho Park to a one-year, $2.5 million deal, reports the Philadelphia Daily News.
NOOOOOOOO it better not be the mets!!!!
I hope to god that team is not the Mets…
Wow. Pettitte? He was good with the Astros, but that was 3 years ago and he was probably on HGH at the time.
I hope it’s not us…
It’s probably the Astros.
Bring back the old comments style!
YAY!!! another yankee hand-me-down!!! YAY!!!! just like nady.
Calling Pettitte a “front end” starter is very generous.
I’m not Pettitte fan. I don’t like him as a person (he comes off as arrogant).
Look at his WHIP since 2005, 1.4 ever since. His ERA has been over 4 those past 3 years. He was terrible in the 2nd half last year.
He is not worth 3yr/$36M. Just sign Koji Uehara. You’ll probably get the same, if not better, production for less than half the price.
Without the HGH, he is NOT a front-line starter.
Andy Pettite is not a front-end pitcher. 2006 called. He was not good in 2008.
125 IP in the first half, 79 in the second half.
ERA by month:
3.93
4.34
3.76
4.74
5.84
4.76
C’mon Matt! Try to make it look like you know what you’re talking about.
If that happens I would not even bother to watch . Again why are we looking for Discounts and Yankee hand me downs WHY????????
How would it be the Astros? They are trying to cut payroll…maybe the Rangers
i dont se him as arrogant…i see him as done..lol..i have mixed feelings about this..if it is the mets..i wouldnt be mad about looking into pettitte….but he is not worth that type of money now
Tom Glavine Part Deux : Steroids Edition
I’m betting on the Dodgers. Heard Colletti interviewed recently and he suggested Torre and Pettitte have been talking a bunch. They also really need some veteran pitching.
hahaha…so phillies have chan ho park..AND moyer?..oh my god..that is some scary pitchers..lol…although i cant really talk since they won the freakin w.s.
anyone who thinks HGH makes you a front line starter knows absolutely NOTHING about the effects HGH have on your body. Its a naive thought. That being said, I’d take Petite, just not for 3 years, no way.
Pettinte in the national league is a good pick up … i wouldnt mind having pettite as a #3 starter on the mets how can u complaing about that the guy is a winner has been winning his whole career
metfreak
“Again why are we looking for Discounts and Yankee hand me downs WHY????????”
good question bro. wilpons have deeeeeep pockets. BUY MANNY!!!!
Maybe 2/20 with an option year.
you know dave…i think you are right..what about the braves?
Chan Ho Park is still playing?
u guys are telling me u rather have wolf over pettite no freaking wayy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If they get Manny I don’t see how they won’t make the playoffs he alone makes that one great line up
haha…metfreak…sadly yeah he is..and the phillies have him..haha..thats really funny to me
I hope it’s not us because Pettite’s not so much of a front-end pitcher. You can see him declining. I’d be alright with signing him to one or two years, but three is too much. The Astros are shaving payroll. The Yankees made their offer clear. So it really could either be the Mets, Brewers, Red Sox or who ever else. I doubt Andy wants to pitch for another three years after nearly retiring before signing with the Yankees a couple years ago.
although maybe pettittes people are saying that trying to UP the yankees offer to pettitte?
perhaps it’s the rangers or the dodgers.
I think if it’s the astro’s, they wouldn’t be an ‘unnamed team’. just seems like the stro’s would publicize something like that.
Dodgers do make the most sense. Followed by the Rangers.
I just don’t see why a team would up the bid that much when the Yankee’s are only offering 1/10. Shouldn’t the next logical offers be 1/12 or 2/20? Not 3/36?
anyone else practicing their “Thunder!” chants for Putz?
I’m not sure why everyone is down on Pettite. His numbers from 08 were not great at all, but in the NL in a pitcher’s park he can have a good impact. I’d take him. But like someone said below, not for 3 @ 36M.
better not be the mets, but that’s what I thought too when I saw ‘mystery team”!
maybe, slightly, for 1 year to be the 5th guy (instead of Wolf) but not for the top rotatin guy (instead of Lowe, sheets, ollie).
Besides being mediocre, I would put the over/under on innings before his elbow blows up at about 60.
3 years would be insane.
I vote with the Dodgers onthis one if true, but just as likely fantasy. Everyone knows how easy it is to get the Yankees to negotiate against themselves!
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I actually want the yanks to sign him, so they can stop being competitin for lowe or Sheets! Eventually they will have enough Sps, right?
Also, can we start looking at Manny now. We have the option of Manny in LF, with Tatis as maybe late def replacement, and can platoon Castillo and Murphy at second for the time being. That move along would make us deeper as a team. Granted Castillo is making a lot of money, but it is what it is. Just swallow the pride and see how it all plays out.
yeah that makes sense.lol..nevermind everybody..listen to thereal for now on
and for the guy who asked why wolf over petite?
1 year/8 million (or 2/18) vs. 3/26 would be a big part of it!
finally some more good news. chan ho park signs with the phillies. their rotation looks solid though to go along with a consistent offense. still better than the mets, but omar’s not done.
honestly..i cant believe we arent talking to boras about manny…i really feel like especially since no one else is making an offer..if omar can talk to him while no one is looking at him right now…we can get him for less than what he wants..because not one other team seems to care about him..other than the skanks but they seem to concerned about tex right now
Its the Red Sox. They are the mystery team and have been in on Andy since he became a F.A. I hope he takes Boston’s deal and sticks it to the yankees. And whatever if they sign Sheets because of it, just another SP to add that is going to break down at least twice this year.
yeah but zen..im not scared of chan ho park..not to mention we beat the hell out of moyer last year..again..bullpen faultered in those games…(shocker)
Andy Pettitte is a big game pitcher who would be a fantastic signing for the Mets. On this team he’d step in as the #2 starter.
that said 3 years 36 mil is ridiculous. 1 year 8-10 mil would have been a great signing but 3 years is way too much.
If this report is actually true (i doubt it) the Yankees would be the only team that would make that move…
IS THIS SITE EVER GOING BACK TO ITS OLD FORM WITH THE OTHER WAY OF POSTING COMMENTS??? IT IS SO MUCH WORSE THIS WAY!!!!
I really think the writing is on the wall for the Mets to get Lowe. Like it or not. 3/45 with an option.
Then Omar will bring in some scrubs to compete with Niese for the #5 spot.
At that point he can lye in the woods waiting on Manny.
No way it is the mets. I pray its not.
Colleti would actually be dumb enough to sign Andy for three years. The way teh Mets have been talking, it does not seem like they would throw that many years at Andy Pettite.
NO NO NO METS!!!!!! Pettitte is damaged goods.
especially since they are gonna go after manny..haha
Pettite is washed up garbage. There’s no way the Mets offered him 3 years… in fact, I doubt anyone did, it’s just bluffing on his part.
Just get D-Low Omar…
THRS, Laying in teh woods waiting for Manny, paints of picture in my head of Omar in Camo and a high powered rifle waiting for Manny to stumble on to the bait which is luxury Barb-q grill.
that agent is lying!!! lol.. you would never hear a rumor like that.. next he’s gonna say he wants to stay with the yankees at 2..
pettitte is bonds who wears a smile on his face. roga clemens is bonds…almost literally.
a punk cheaters.
and yes the old comment section needs to be brought back.
coolpapa
lol..after reading your comment i can see it too now
and manny is too dumb to realize what is happening to him…hes playing his gameboy
trs86
Derek Lowe at 3/45 would be a fantastic signing. If Pelfrey can pitch as well as he did in 08 and Maine as well as he did in 07 then that is a fine rotation
2:34pm: A reader who heard the show says Patrick was only speaking in the hypothetical with the $200MM figure, so Bloom’s post was apparently inaccurate. This is why I typically avoid radio reports unless I hear them myself…sorry about that. In listening to the Reggie Miller interview on Patrick’s site he was definitely only giving an opinion during that portion.
the obvious question now is: When are the Phillies going to sign Julio Franco?
he’d fit in perfectly with their 48 year old pitcher and 39 year old left fielder…I’m sure Moisus Alou is available as well
when is O going to make an offer for D-Lowe?
I really think Omar should go ahead and put a low offer in on Manny just to see what happen. Make it the years but not the money.
Something like 4/70. Just to see if he would take it.
Besides the K-Rod siging and JJ Putz trade for the Mets this has been a boring off season
How is Nady a yankee hand-me down? He was a met first and still has plenty of value, unlike players that wear out their welcome in the bronx and fall flat on their faces elsewhere.
What’s next the Mets sign Roger Clemens, and trade for Derek Jeter. It was bad enough Omar actually met with and entertained signing Jorge Posada. The Mets are not the Yankees. The Yankees are the Yankees and the Mets are the Mets. They already made the biggest mistake taking on all time Yankee Willie Randolph. Pettite will be a bigger mistake. Well maybe not as big as Willie Randolph, but close
i think he should really consider moving in on manny..it would be ridiculous not to…i dont care what the wilpons said..i would be running to manny…i was the gm he would be a met already..
bluff?
1. Omar is waiting for the Market to thin out on Manny, once Yanks get there other pitcher and Cameron they’ll be out, Angels w/ Tex or Dunn, Dodgers are really only option but even they pulled their offer. Omar’s playing it smart.
2. The trade of Schoe and Heilman have been the most exciting yet!
Like I said, he may be playing this Manny thing just right. Make a low ball offer and see what happens or say well we are interested in you but not at that price. Let him sweat it through the hollidays and see what position he is in at the end of the month.
I agree w/ putting an offer down for Manny. I think its a win-win situation. When we get down to it, everyone on this site would love to have Manny in LF. Metsblog, think about this, other than maybe Reyes there is no one on this team people are saying lets go see. Wright, Beltran Delgado are not attracting fans. When Johan pitches people will come to see him. But the other 4 days we need a draw card cause we haven’t had one for a long time. Manny is that guy!
True enough, it looks’ like Manny is everyone’s fall back and hopefully he falls right on back to the Mets.
Right now we really need Tex to go to the Angels. I really don’t think the Yankee’s are into Manny that much.
yeah but case what happens if yankees and brewers forget the cameron/cabrera or igawa trade and they come on and swoop in on manny?..that wouldnt be good…because then with all omar has done…you know he will be criticized for not getting manny
I disagree with the fact that Reyes is the only go see guy. With Wright, Reyes, Krod, Santana, we have quite a few go see guys.
trl, this is no time for desperation. Boras won’t take any low offer anyway, this is not K-Rod’s agent Kinzer.
That’s why Boras will be pushing Tex to the Red Sox becaue if he goes anywhere else, Manny’s market is really shot!
Like I said I really don’t see the Yankee’s and Manny matching up. They need a CF more than they need Manny. What do you do with their 106 OF then? Matsui, Nady, Damon, Manny, Melky?
But Manny is just the type to get paranoid and go tell Boras to screw himself.
i disagree with only reyes and santana are the only guys…that team even though breaks your heart is a fun team to watch..especially with the bullpen gone and k-rod and putz in and heilman and show out
Real, we have guys to see but they aren’t draw cards. People aren’t lining up to see DWright. Reyes – maybe. I would so lets say for argument sake he is a draw card. Johan is every 5th day. Krod can’t be counted. no one knows when he’s pitching. Again no one is lining up to see a closer pitch one inning.
People will come in droves to see Manny in a Met uniform. Imagine the revenues just for him.
Maybe being a new stadium people will come regardless, but if this was still Shea we are talking about, Manny is a no-brainer in my opinion.
I really do not have any idea why people are freaking out. Since when does unnamed team = NY Mets. I started to scroll through some of the comments, and then people start bashing Omar, again. Seriously, unless the report says, “NY Mets discussing Pettitte.” Why even waste our breath?
We still have a ton of Hot Stove left, and a ton of FAs available.
krod, only way Yanks go after Manny is if Boston signs Tex. Even still, I’d hope Cashman is smart enough to know that having A-Rod, Jeter, and Manny in the same locker room is not a good idea.
Plus, can you really see Manny going through a Girardi spring training?
Actually, maybe if Manny wants to stick it to the Red Sox and Boras gets Cash to drop some Cash it’ll happen.
AGreed, even if it did come out that the Mets were discussing Andy then it could be just to drive Perez/Wolf’s contract down.
Just say nooooooooooooo! to Petitte.
im pretty sure when i go to see the mets..i go to see wright and reyes and beltran and church and everyone else on that team..pelfrey maine
Murphy, Neise, Fmart, Parnell for Doc Halladay.
Any takers?
manny is a superstar. he’s one of the few players who makes others in the line-up better. much better.
welp, we need to get AT LEAST 2 starting pitchers from somewhere!
if you ain’t gonna spend what they want; whose gonna be yer rotation?
I’m just askin’
Murphy, Neise, Fmart, Parnell for Doc Halladay.
Any takers?
while i agree, it will really depleat our farm.. really..
Or,
Murphy, Neise, Fmart, Flores for Doc Halladay.
That might be more realistic.
I would make that deal in a cocaine-heartbeat.
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and they swept us too.. martinez while “emotional” allowed like 10 runs in the first inning..
Murphy, Neise, Fmart, Flores for Tim Lincecum…
that i like better..
Wadehead, I would absolutely NOT make that deal. You are giving up our best prospects, not one or two, but four. Fmart/Parnell centered? Yea, I would probably do that.
BUT, Doc isn’t even on the market, and won’t be this winter.
YEAH EXACTLY!!…i mean boo hoo get over it you know?..and thats when we also had lastings millege in left..remember he couldnt play the green monster and missed like 3 fly balls..lol..i would just like to see boston come to citi field for a 3 game series..
if we got tim lincecum forget it…that pennant is ours
lol…casestreet would know a lot about homophobic comments right case?
Halladay > Lincecum
I don’t have any idea whether Halladay is on the market. But the Jays are not contending next year, and if that offer were possible, I was curious as to the Mets’ World’s opinion.
Halladay had argueably the best season of any starter in baseball. I have no problem with trading a blue chipper for a “guaranteed” 20 game winner for us next year. No way we don’t win the WS with Johan, Doc, Pelfrey, Putz, and KRod.
it don’t matter where we play, good teams win no matter where they play..
we dont need halladay, the main reason hes an extremely good pitcher is because hes a workhorse, but now we have putz and krod, so we dont really need a workhorse, id still love to get him though
Signing Pettite to more than 1 year deal is crazy.
I don’t understand why Pettite would not sign with the Yanks. They offered him 10 mil. No team in this world would offer him that much after his record last year plus his past with HGH
marvelousmarv (72), have you been to a Mets game in the last couple of years? There are tons of Wright shirts at the games. I’m sure this year there will be a like number of Santana jerseys as well. Trs (67) is right.
Edit:
“Halladay > Lincecum
I don’t have any idea whether Halladay is on the market. But the Jays are not contending next year, and if that offer were possible, I was curious as to the Mets’ World’s opinion.
Halladay had argueably the best season of any starter in baseball. I have no problem with trading a blue chipper for a “guaranteed” 20 game winner for us next year. No way we don’t win the WS with Johan, Doc, Pelfrey, Putz, and KRod.”
I should clarify.
I wouldn’t mind trading a blue chipper or (in this case) more than one, for a guy like Doc.
Johan and Doc would be like Randy and Schilling in ‘01.
krod, I think I know where most of those comments are comming from.
Enter * K-Rod – I don’t even wan’t to know what that stands for.
It’s doubtful that the Mets are the ones who are trying to get Pettitte. Omar, being the bargain-maker that he is, isn’t going to go that high above market value to get Pettitte.
It’s the Yankees, Giants or maybe even the Red Sox.
Who knows? Heyman better get this over with, because the suspense is killing me.
since 2002 he’s 113-49 with an 3.20 ERA.. but he’s been pitching a lot also.. the past 3 years he’s averagin 233.1 innings per year.. he’s mopst likely to broke down sooner than later..
I think only team that would offer Pettite that type of contract is Houston. They love him over there and they’re looking for a pitcher too.
lol…hahaha…you know i never thought about that.damn..for the record im not..just to let everyone know..lol…crap..i need a new name..this doesnt look good for me..lol..thanks casestreet
to get Halladay we would have to make them an offer they can’t refuse…
lol, i thought it was pretty funny though.. case your a genious!!
Alex,
“since 2002 he’s 113-49 with an 3.20 ERA.. but he’s been pitching a lot also.. the past 3 years he’s averagin 233.1 innings per year.. he’s mopst likely to broke down sooner than later..”
So, by that same arguement (in reverse), do you expect a guy like Perez to have a breakout season? Since he hasn’t done it before?
Halladay has those numbers because he is an incredibly effective pitcher, with a proven track record, in argueably the most difficult division to pitch in over that time.
Why wouldn’t you want that?
how about getting CC from the yanks? the Mets could trade everyone in their farm system plus 200 mil for CC.
I would do that in a heartbeat
the thing is i see omar asking for oswalt, he loves oswalt.. him and santana= 2009 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS
moyer for TWO YEARS!? hahah the guy is 160 this is a Julio Franco signing
lol…genious but not cool at all..lol
Moyer kills the Mets though.. but it’s a bad signing..
how about Chan Ho signing.. I think Phils are getting too full of themselves
sure krod, and your favorite player is BIG Pelf. It’s cool, I’m sure there are many on here who are too. It’s all good, the Mets family is very accepting.
Alex,
“the thing is i see omar asking for oswalt, he loves oswalt.. him and santana= 2009 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS”
That’s fine with me too lol
WADE:
i’m not implying not to get halladay or that i don’t want him, we would have to OVERWHELM the blue jays to get him.. and that means getting rid of most of our prospects.. do u wanna win now or keep on winning for years to come with the chance to win every year?
what was the name of reds’ pitching coach again?
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LMAO!!! DI** POLE!!!!!!!
we should bring him in as the Mets pitching coach.. have him coach BIG pelf and k ROD
very good man.. that was hillarious!!
alright alright alright…back to baseball
Maybe Do Me Wright can interview the three :)
if omar gets oswalt i’m sure we’ll be parting ways with f-mart.. which btw guys is playing baseball in DR as u may know but u know who’s playing the other corner from the team f-mart is playing??
anybody…
CARLOS GOMEZ….
matt should post new picture of shea..is it all down yet?..or are the walls still up?
I would part ways with f-mart to get oswalt
Stadium page.com and you can see Shea
krod, it’s still up.
So would i..
the thing is he’s got a sweet swing and he’s very natural.. he’s very clutch too.. and patient.. i’m going to dr this saturday and will be back the 28th so i’ll give u guys an update as to how he is doing.. if they make the playoffs..
ok..thank you both..i would trade for oswalt too by the way..johan oswalt maine pelfrey and niese?
Case, thanks for the serious humor on this thread….when I saw the possibility of us getting Pettitte, I was not happy, but your comments definitely improved this thread infinitely!
i think that we still need another #5 starter to at least have niese really push for his job..
how about johan, oswalt, halladay, lincy and niese?
I like it kistics, now we can get someone in the lab working on Walter Johnson’s DNA for cloning in case Niese isn’t ready…..
kistics
i love that..but how do we get all of them?
WOW.. not even on video game that can happen..
we would trade wright, reyes, beltran, delgado, pelf, and maine….
and maybe rick peterson’s contract..
MLB Trade Rumors saying that 11 teams have interest in Daniel Cabrera, with one even offering a multi-year deal.
oh and trade krod, and putz too
sorry guys, it’s monday couple minutes before 5.. so i didn’t feel like doing any work but to mess around…
no prob kingman
We should try to trade with our good buddys from Minnesota again. The Twins obviously place little value on quality LHP. Tell Perez to go **** himself, sign Sheets, and run this out every week.
Johan
Sheets
Liriano
Pelfrey
Maine
wadehead…that would be awesome..but i do not see that happening at all..
Yeah, I’d trade for Peavy and Oswalt.
Santana
Oswalt
Peavy
Maine
Pelf
I wonder what Liriano would cost…
I don’t know if I’d give up Neise in a deal for Liriano, tho. I’d do Fmart, Murphy, and Parnell though.
The Twins might like putting Murphy at 3B.
Chris Capuano resigned with the Brewers.
that is a good idea..but again…i dont see that ever coming into omars mind
i know he doesnt have a lot of experience but is young and can be good..david price from tampa?
David Price is so highly regarded (the next Big Unit) that he would probably cost Reyes, Beltran and Beltran. I don’t think the Rays have any need for any other players on our big league or minor league rosters.
I’m out for the night, take care all.
krod, stop smokin’ that stuff. David Price? He’s gonna be their ace for the next 6 years. That’s like Boston trading little boy MVP.
give him 3 years/ 70 million…DO IT!!
i know..sorry i have to lay off…that would be nice to have that kid though..lol..ok well then back to maybe getting oswalt or lowe or ollie
we should trade Delgado to Tampay Bay for Price then sign Teixiera no wait castillo for Price and put Delgado behind the plate.
he came up as catcher…
then you trade Schneider to Boston for Pedroia, Cora and Okajima.
then sign Manny and Lowe and were set
Reyes
Pedroia
Beltran
Manny
Teixiera
Wright
Delgado
Church
Castro
Cora
Murphy
Tatis
Reed
Santana
Maine
Pelfrey
Lowe
Price
Stokes
Feliciano
Reed
Sanchez
Okajima
Putz
K-Rod
lol..haha..that would be great..only in video games though
i think we should just focus on reality of looking to get 1 or 2 starting pitchers and manny for the OF
trade oleosmirf for joe schmo over at bronx banter
scioscia called francona to inquire about having manny on one’s team.
manny=mets ws title.
with an additional starter, of course.
zen
why you don’t think Mets would give up that much talent???
I really think that Jon Garland is the way to go. He’ll get us into the 7th and allow Putz and KRod to do their jobs
oleosmirf
if you trade luis castillo…you better be getting price and kazmir
I don’t care how it gets done. Signing Manny needs to happen.
phil
i sgree 100%
unless the Mets sign Lowe or Sheets there is no excuse for not signing Manny…
santana
lowe or ollie
pelfray
maine
garland
k-rod
putz
feliciano
green
sanchez
parnell
stokes
reyes
church
manny
beltran
wright
delgado
schneider
castillo or wigginton
world champion ny mets
im playing mlb 08 the show..with manny in the lineup…3rd game of the season..he has about 6 homeruns already..haha..nasty
manny/perez/wolf
get it done
The Wilpons lost 300 million they can make some of that back if they sign Manny
I really hope the price comes down on Ollie. If he were generous enough to accept a hometown discount, that would do wonders in our attempt at Manny. I’d have to tip my cap to him on that one. I mean, to me, even if he slides to the supposed 12 million dollar a year mark though, that’s still a bit much. If I’m giving someone 12 million dollars, he should not be coming off a season where he walked 102 batters, which led the league by the way. The Carlos Silva contract really destroyed the days of dishing out reasonable contracts to starting pitchers.
Correction: 105 walks.
The first story was 300 million, and the more recent one was tens of millions….let’s be patient, as none of us—and no one in the media—is sure of how much the Wilpons lost and how it may affect the team…if it does at all.
manny is the mets ticket to the WS. without manny, only tex can give them a chance.
anyone have an idea of Mets playing in the WBC?
I think Oliver Perez will end up back with the Mets. I haven’t heard much talk about him and other organizations being interested. I guess it’s a waiting game and when the two sides finally agree on something the deal will be done.
I think the mets should trade for Jake Peavy instead of getting either an inconsistent pitcher (Perez),
an older pitcher (Lowe), or any other pitcher. The cost would be same per year, approx. 13-16m per yr.
All it should cost is some good players who either are prospects, or players we could get along without.
Something along the lines of
FMART
Kunz
Green
Evans
I think it would be a good idea and it is realistic and do-able.
To state the obvious, wIth the Phillies lineup as is the Mets have GOT to get at another lefty starter. Unfortunately as unreliable as he is I’m afraid that is going to be O.P. Which I can only live with if they sign a better #5 option that using Niese or an impact left fielder. Past history tell me though it will be neither.
we wannt manny…. we want manny….. we want manny
You guys can scream and mention Mannys name 1,000 times. The Mets are not going to sign him! He is not going to fall in out laps! The Wipons want NOTHING to do with him.
boy you sure are a negative nancy arent you?
Im not negative Im realistic! Read the papers they do not want to increase the payroll and the Wilpons do not like Manny.
lol…im kidding..dont worry..i know they most likely wont get him…but you never know..
hello my fellow mets brethern just got this of of mlbtr enjoy ( i think)
If the Mets can move Brian Schneider, they could pursue Jason Varitek. They might have to give him a multiyear deal (and also surrender their second-round pick to the Red Sox). The Mets reportedly discussed Schneider with the Red Sox several weeks ago. Rosenthal says some execs still believe in the Mark Teixeira-Varitek package deal idea though. It doesn’t really make sense to me.
the only way i see the mets signing manny is if the yanks sign tex and manny’s price and years go down otherwise hello abreu :(
You know, im not dead against Pettitte. it’s not a whole lot of money, he’s left handed, and more importantly, he’s not THAT bad. I mean he had a 4.something ERA with the yankees last year, but remember he’ll be moving to the NL this year, reduce that a bit and he’s not really that bad.
like i said earlier today i’d be comfortable with any 2 of these pitchers in a tandem if we dont get lowe – sheets, wolf ollie and penny maybe mulder too – but no scully – the pitcher is out there lol
i am fonz – i don’t think his heart would be into playing for us – see glavine, tom
guys today is yet another day in met infamy ( like duh !!)
New York Mets traded Bob Ojeda and Greg Hansell to the Los Angeles Dodgers for Hubie Brooks on December 15, 1990.
I would definitely prefer Scully to Mulder, or even Smoking Man might be better than Mulder at this point!
Seriously though, Sheets on a 2 yr incentive-heavy deal could be SO rewarding….Sheets, and Ollie, and NO Pettitte!!
mulders breasts were bigger lol – damn do i miss toombs and the lone gunmen lol btw kingman i’m tryin out for a kiss cover band sans makeup lol viva stanley clarke !!! lol
Got to love hearing rumors about teams like the Angels,Dodgers,Yankees wanting players like Manny,Tex, and Lowe meanwhile the rumors for the Mets have them going after guys like Varitck, Wolf and Perez .Yeah this looking like a real championship season we are going to see……….NOT
metfreak..no offense but you are an idiot
if the Mets got Pettitte on a 1 year deal. id take that over Ollie any day of the week.
At least Pettitte knows how to throw a strike and win a big game
Hahaha! Good luck on the tryout!
I guess you will be playing the Gene Simmons role!
but as someone i think mentioned before Andy Pettitte would not be comfortable playing for “Los Mets”
metfreak–we signed KRod and Putz and have the best 1-2 bullpen punch in the game…that was our weakness last year….and it is Dec 15th and Omar ain’t done….
You can always go root for the Yanks….
Good for Pettitte…I would gladly take Ollie back over that cheating jacka*s Yankee….who wants their ancient castoffs??
LIMetfan74, don’t believe everything you read. The newspapers? Do I have to remind you of how we landed Johan Santana?
not to mention…im pretty sure that if manny has a price range that the mets can use…you better believe they will pick him up
kingman, the bullpen was part of our weakness. Our rotation, and our offense before Delgado’s resurgence, was also a weakness. We’ve filled one hole but by no means are we close to done. Especially if the Braves and Phillies continue to add pieces.
OK Gina, let me rephrase!
The bullpen was out BIGGEST weakness…yes, I agree we need one more starter at least and one more bat, and I have lately been campaigning for Manny, if it is do-able, and Dunn if not, so I am right there with you.
Dunn if he can be had for maybe 3/30-something would be amazing in the 6 hole, as*uming Manny won’t happen, and then Ollie or Lowe, if we can afford it all, and if we spend too much on Manny or Dunn, then sign two from the Penny/Johnson/etc scrap heap…..
How am I an Idiot Enter K-Rod? Its true do you hear anything about the Mets going after a big time bat or starter ? No and yes they got K-Rod and Putz which was great but lets not stop there
johan last year? do you remember that?…we arent the yankees..we dont buy every single a list free agent that comes along each year
and i apologize for calling you an idiot…i should not fight with my fellow met fans..lol
The Mets aren’t dumb enough to get Manny. He’s a cancer and at this point in his career a DH.
i understand where you say the bat and offense..we did score runs last year..however like what you are saying..we should look into a big bat for the middle of our lineup
no you think he is a cancer from reports and rumors..are you in the dugout?…you dont know that…someone posted it before…all the years pedro was apparently a sore in the clubhouse…look how that turned out..if manny at 36 years old who can still hit the ball 400 feet should be a DH…then moises alou should have retired a long time ago
Manny made a huge mistake opting out of his contract. He’ll be lucky to get 40 over the next 2 years. Tex will get his money
Listen, this is for all the non-believers out there….
The Dodgers are quickly growing frustrated with Scott Boras and Manny, so much so that they’ve even taken their offer off the table. They’re probably contemplating their plans of life after Manny as we speak. Believe me, the Yankees are not getting him. This is all hoopla to irate the Red Soxs and their fans. They’re already stacked with corner outfielders and they are in the process of attaining Mike Cameron as their center fielder. They are more than set at DH as well. Any way you paint the picture, there is no fit for Manny. They are not going to shuffle their entire roster, it’s not going to happen. The Angels, if they lose out on Texieria, are the only logical competition. However, in their backup plan, I believe they prefer to go after two bats instead, names such as Burrell and Giambi have been mentioned, in the case that Texieria signs elsewhere.
Now, given the scenario, what other big market team is left on the table for Manny to sign with? You guessed it, the New York Mets.
Yes I understand about Johan and last year but atleast you heard the Mets in those rumors I guess I am fed up with hearing and seeing the Yankees spend money like drunk fools and the Mets talking about lowering pay roll but yet they charge as much as the Yankees
In the long run, Adam Dunn or Oliver Perez does nothing to help us win
what happens when its game 162 and we need a win. Is Adam Dunn or Oliver Perez going to win that game for us.
We’ve been good enough to get to game 162 but we havent been able to win it. You add Manny Ramirez to that lineup and our chances of winning that game go up dramatically.
this is what the mets need to do
understand that the mets want murphy to get playing time in the outfield so him and tatis have to platoon and im to the point where i believe that is whats going to happen. Dont expect any major signings for the outfield.
I do believe tho that they might go after either TY wiggington or Marcus Thames , for TY’s reasons are because he plays many positions and would be able to fill in when starters need to rest and is a right hand hitter and can play the outfield so hes there one option. The second is marcus thames because hes a righthand hitting outfielder that has power and come off the bench in crucial pinch hit moments with power and can spell for ryan church incase he cant hit off lefties this season which has to be taken as a big concern cant go into the season taking chances.
After that the mets still have to try to move castillo for more bullpen help or for prospect to add to the farm and pay as much of the contract as possible. If they can remove castillo orlando hudson and i know alot of people dont like him much and i can understand that on some points but he is younger than castillo he plays great defense which is what we want for our pitchers best defense posiible he also is a switch hitter and hits with more pop than castillo and is the perfect number 2 hitter but this only if castillo can be traded.
If he cant be traded than the most likly will be either signings of alex cora or jerry hairston jr. for back.
Now as for the rotation which is the hardest to project becuase of the large contracts these free agnets are looking for i predit this.
Mets are going to go into the season with either oliver perez or derek lowe i am convinced there talking to scott boras on both his clients and 1 of them will be a met.
second i see either signings like daniel cabrera and 1 year deal with pedro martinez going down to compete with niese in spring.
if they go the expensive rout for a #5 than they will either trade for marquis , sign garland, or sign randy wolf
after all this the mets will need to replace marlon anderson in the bench because he clearly is a good teammate but just isnt the bench player were looking for this season
bench players are in a season and i beleive the mets should take the bench role just as serious as the lineup depth and pitching wins championships and were going in the right direction lets just hope minaya doesnt hit and speed bumps
So now after all this I truly believe with a stronger bull pen now and hopefully a healthy staff the mets have the mentality and unit to win back the east and veteran status to go far in the playoffs and win a world series but these are just asomtions but hopefully things go the way i see and i believe we will be fine.
Then again you can always sign MANNY RAMIREZ and all problems are solved off 1 signings but those are just dreams lol :)
yeah but metfreak…at least we would be going after good players..and not aj burnett..lol..that was a waste of a signing..at least for that much..that was ridiculous..
If all our problems are solved by signing Manny, then lets offer him 3 years and $45 million to see if he sniffs at it. If the list of suitors is so small, then the price should be less. Isn’t this supply and demand?
Agee, I SO agree….as his market is apparently tiny, maybe he would take less (with HUGE incentives for 150+ games played, an MVP, winning the World Series??) to come home and win in NY.
And as I have said, if Manny came to NY and led us to a title after the last two years, his rep would be as one of the greatest winners of all-time.
leading the red sox to two world series wins and then this mets team to a world series win. with his numbers, he would be an immortal baseball player.
Kingman,
I don’t believe in performance bonuses. A reward for making an allstar team, mvp, etc is fine.
Games played and plate appearances can lead to a player playing hurt and risking his future as well as the teams progress. I’ve also heard rumor of owners getting involved and trying to limit playing time.
Most bonuses are based on relatively easy to reach milestones if one considers a players past performance
Everyone is so concerned about starting pitching. I understand it. Pitching wins championships. I subscribe to that belief as well. But, let me ask you a question, what exactly was so wrong with the starting rotation we had last year outside of not having a dependable 5th starter? The answer is that nothing. The problem rested with the bullpen all too often not locking down the job. Our starters practically had the games gift wrapped for victory, and the bullpen found any way imaginable to blow the lead. Omar has now overhauled the bullpen in a very significant way. It’s going to make a tremendous difference.
Manny Ramirez, the greatest hitter of this generation, solidifies this lineup and instills fear in the opposition. He makes everyone around him better. David Wright especially gets all the pressure in the world taken off his shoulders. He’d explode for a huge year. With Manny behind him, we would have a real genuine cleanup hitter, something we’ve lacked and have been compensating for a long while. Manny’s presence also neutralizes the non-production we’re receiving from Castillo and Schneider. In addition, I want to remind you that under the current plan, we have two converted infielders lined up for the left field position in Tatis/Murphy. With that realization in mind, we could certainly live with Manny’s defense out there. Do not believe this blackmail press on being a bad teammate, he’d be loved in this clubhouse and be embraced by the New York fan base.
Sign Manny, 3 years, 55 million.
And don’t forget the only two Indians’ pennants since 1954!!
Two WS appearances with the Indians, two rings with the previously choking Red Sox, carrying the Dodgers into round 2 this year, and a Met ring.
Now THAT’S a resume.
Manny is a winner. Every team was scared out of their mind, all scrambling on how to approach him in the postseason. They did not have the slightest idea. He changes the entire dynamic single-handedly.
gotta get him…thats all it comes down to..it makes too much sense
philnym
i had one problem with the rotation…Oliver Perez. The guy can’t throw strikes when he needs to. He blew a 5-1 lead and then in the last game of the season, Jerry was forced to take him out after 5 1/3 innings and go to his awful bullpen b/c Ollie lost his control.
Geez Phil, that’s a good argument, especially the part for those who whine about Manny’s defense—Tatis and Murph ain’t exactly Clemente out there.
And off the field, in the clubhouse, Manny draws the media like a magnet, and Wright can relax and Delgado can sit quietly in the corner as he apparently wants to do.
And Agee, I agree about bonuses, but if the Wilpons question Manny’s ethics, let him play every day to earn more dough, and if we don’t want to lay out 20 mil per, and since the market is low as you point out, offer him 15 per and let him get another 3–5 mil in incentives/performance bonuses.
He is a unique player for better or worse, so perhaps some creative thinking on Omar’s part may be necessary to sell Fred and Jeff.
all yall r pie in the sky thinkin the mets are gonna get Manny, its not happening. What u want and the mets organiztion wants isnt the same..you will see Manny donning pinstripes next year
Ollie is still VERY young….laying out 50 mil for Lowe may not be so wise…he is pretty good, not great.
Maybe, and it is a big “if” but maybe Ollie grows up, and if he does, damn, he can be good.
And I agree that starting pitching is the least of our worries, after the bullpen (now fixed) and another bat.
We had major starting pitching troubles in 2006, and made it one out from the WS, due to the bullpen and not being able to get one single key hit off of Cy Young and Walter Johnson, better known as Jeff Weaver and Jeff Suppan.
are you a yankee fan?…yankees will not get manny
kingman
that is why i believe Manny will be last acquisition for the Mets.
Omar will get his starters in the next few weeks and an arm for the pen and after that he’ll sit down and try to convince/beg the Wilpons to raise the payroll a pretty big amount to sign Manny.
The Wilpons have a huge amount of trust in Omar and i think when push comes to shove they’ll cave in…
Oleosmirf, I definitely hear you on Ollie. It’s frustrating, but that’s just the pitcher he is at this point in his career. We’re going to have to accept it and hope with his youth that he blossoms fully. You’re going to get those disappointing kinds of games, but then you’ll also get those days when he completely dominates the opposition. He makes a mockery of the Phillies every time he faces them. That’s certainly enjoyable. Perez is probably the best left-hander out on the market. I’d gladly take him back myself. I just hope he lowers his demands to reasonable levels. Hometown discount would sound outstanding.
oleo, I hope you are right….and you may be….the longer Manny is unsigned, the more eager he may be to come to Queens.
Combine the interest in Manny which will lead to higher SNY ratings, the potential postseason games which bring in HUGE dough, the Manny shirts they will sell, and all of that adds up to a LOT of money. This will be Omar’s best argument….
hey did anyone read that article from the post yesterday it was talkin about manny but no mention of the mets … i wonder why? maybe its because we’re aren’t gonna get him… yeah thats probably it.
Phil, I love your arguments tonight…so on the money.
Lowe is reliable, but Ollie can be spectacular, and even the Ollie of the last two years is almost as good as Lowe. Not to mention what Ollie COULD be.
the church goers..so when the mets get ramirez will you be saying the same stuff?..i bet last year when they were talking about getting johan you were going ohhh mets arent getting him..johan is gonna be donning pinstripes..blah blah blah..
Church, LOL!!!
The Post is your barometer of reality??
Thanks for the laugh!!
hey krod the mets wanted johan they dont want manny
philnym
while he has pitched well against the Phillies, thats only a few starts a year. The idea that he can lose his command at any point of the game is not something you want to invest 40-60 million dollars in.
sure Ollie might be great someday but let someone else take that risk and we’ll take the consistant veteran with a deadly sinker and the successful postseason performances for the higher price b/c when Derek Lowe steps onto the mound i know were going to get 6+ IP 3 R or less
Sign Manny and we’ll end up with a rotation that won’t win enough games to get to the playoffs. Not saying Manny wouldn’t make the offense unstoppable, but we’ve got 2 major holes to plug in the rotation and that is no doubt top priority. We also need a good lefty for the pen and a utility guy, preferably Wigginton because he could play the outfield or steal castillo’s spot with his solid production. I don’t see Manny happening, especially since we’re not even pursuing Lowe or Oliver yet. And Oliver pitched well enough to win that last game. Yes he began to fall apart, but any reliever that wasn’t part of that awful mets pen would’ve preserved his lead.
The problem with Castillo is that we couldn’t give him away. Is there a bad contract on a mediocre pitcher who might benefit from a change in scenery? D-Train is a wash, contract wise. He’s a lefty. If there is hope that he can throw 180 innings in 2009, then Manny becomes instantly affordable
no church…the WILPONS dont want manny..omar loves manny….and he can talk to them about manny and persuade them
sure krod im sure he can persuade them to spend THEIR money on a guy they dont want
I’m hoping on 3 years, 32 million for Ollie to come back.
3/32 isnt bad, though I’d prefer 2/22. The guy needs to get it together for a solid season before I open the vault. If he goes out and wins 35 games over the next two seasons, 11 a year will be chump change.
I was actually looking at Kyle Lohse’s contract when he quickly resigned with the Cardinals back in September before the offseason began. I thought that was a good sample for us on an Ollie contract.
Castillo is like a zit on a hot girl. If omar can’t remove this “blemish” before opening day, then I can’t give him better than a B+ this off season
if no teams are in the market for him..his value has to come down…the price comes down for a reasonable amount…you better believe that omar will do anything to get him…its business they are trying to win championships…you would be really ignorant not to believe they wouldnt get him if his price dropped..which looks like it should and probably wil since again no teams are interested
ollie for 3 years 35 mil, manny for 3 years 55 mil with incentives
open up the piggy bank wilpons
i just read that article on lowe on mets.com.. i think we have to go get him…he seems highly competetive and looks to have a type of attitude that new york would love
Wilpons,reach out to Manny and Lowe and
let tell them you want them to lead us to
a Championship! C’mon after the week
you’ve had It might be wise to spend some
now and allow all that comes with winning
here will bring.One can only imagine how much winning this year would bring the franchise.
Yeah EnterKrod, I think it all depends on the difference in price between Lowe and Ollie. Lowe’s another guy who’s market is looking grim, it collapsed after the Yankees signed Burnett. No one was really going to give him those high demands, except for the desperate Yankees. Without them in the picture, and with Boston focusing all their resources on Texieria, the Mets have emerged as a plausible destination. This really could be Omar’s second winter hitting the jackpot.
i wonder if omar reads our posts…i bet he does….i wonder if he realizes that every mets fan wants manny
if we can get lowe for a cheap price (which is possible now that many teams are out) this could be one of the most successful offseasons in the history of the world..
krod for cheap
putz for nothing
and lowe for cheap
would be an amazing offseason
Wilpon lost 300-500 million in the Ponzi scheme. Forbes and NY times reporting that “The losses could also hurt Wilpon’s ability to help the Mets weather the current economic downturn. Many sports leagues, including Major League Baseball, are bracing for lower revenue next season as consumers cut back on discretionary spending.”
exactly..if we can get lowe for nothing?..ohhh man..like you said krod and putz for a steal and then lowe?..good offseason…lets be realistic about manny…obviously EVERYONE would love manny on the mets..who wouldnt?..will it work out?..maybe…it would be nice..however…we did score runs last year..obviously there were games where in the late innings we didnt but usually when we had to score late was because our bullpen would come in..so really..i wouldnt be thoroughly disappointed if mets dont get manny with the signings of krod putz and hopefully lowe
Every Mets fan does NOT want Manny.
I am one of them.
Manny is a fat toad.
This team can not give up defense for the same of offense.
and phukthephills
i was wondering the same thing the other day…if he has nothing else to do see what mets fans are asking for..although you probably figure he knows what we want..lol..manny/lowe..that would be cool if he did though..lol
but kicked
not only do we get manny..think of how productive..scratch that…think of how MORE productive wright and beltran would be on offense..and maybe even castillo?…but one can only dream cant they? and delgado..i mean..manny makes everyone around him better..how can anyone not want manny aftter the past two years?
manny is a better defensive player than Murphy and Tatis so that argument is null and void.
yeah that too..not to mention they sit down and talk with him and like someone posted earlier..say we want you here to bring in a championship….i thought i read somewhere along the line that omar is friends with manny..so i mean..it just seems like it would be a good fit
what is gunna be krods song when he comes out to close games in the 9th
i cant remember..everyone was talking about this the other day..is was like renguetan or something…lol
Metsicles—Who are we loking at in left? Murphy? Tatis? Burrell? Dunn?
Manny is not much worse defensively–if ANY worse–than any of them.
Other Matt–The Wilpons may have lost 300 mil, or 30 mil—no one knows, and you certainly don’t.
you know what…ill tell you one thing…IF the mets get dunn…to me the krod and putz aquisitions no longer make me happy..lol..i cant stand dunn…i mean people want to talk about manny..look at that guy…
luckily i dont think thats in their plans so
Since Manny’s market has yet to develop watch Boras go evil and float a rumor he’s got an offer from the Phils to draw the Met’s to respond just so the Yankee’s go apolectic and overpay. What’s the over / under?
He’s gotta do something since the deal he had in Boston that he threw away is looking better by the day.
Wake me up when he’s a Met, if not wake me when pitcher’s and catcher’s report.
enterkrod—Dunn is not my favorite either, but he is 29, never gets hurt, and has gotten 40 HR and 100 BB every year for five straight years, and not on very good teams. With the offense we would have around him, he could do even better.
I want Manny bad, but Dunn would be a fine 2nd prize I think…..
Agreed Kingman.
kingman
thank you because i did not know that..again the only bad thing is that he strikes out a lot..i didnt know he was only 29 either..i thought he was older..ok..well im having a change of heart now..we dont get manny…lets get dunn!!..lol…i just feel like we need a new face in the offense…
kingman
dunn might hit 40 HR with a high OBP but is Adam Dunn going to put us over the top??
3 years, 55 million though sounds very fair for Manny. Omar can get creative and add incentives to the deal. It would keep Boras happy, while giving Manny an inducement year in and year out.
dunn wouldnt put them over the top…but the offense complete with dunn i think would be able to go over the top…i mean yeah manny is great..he would put them over the top..but it still takes the other 7 guys(not including the pitcher) to help
but again…i just think we need to see a new face in this lineup..thats all..obviously manny is first on my list..
where do you guys fit Murphy into the lineup? don’t tell me that your plans don’t include him.
murphy plays 2nd
oleo—Maybe not to the degree Manny could, probably not, but still, put 40 HR and 100 BB in the 6 hole in our order, or as someone else suggested even maybe in the 2 spot with his eye and patience at the plate, and we score a lot more runs.
Yeah, Manny really puts us over the top, takes all the pressure off of Wright, Beltran, and Delgado, sure, and Dunn has never even seen the postseason, all very true.
I really am just saying that if we do not get Manny, which, alas, is very possible, then Dunn would probably be the next best, AND he can play 1st in 2010 when maybe Delgado is gone and Murph is ready for LF.
But I think in all ways—economically for the extra dough he would surely bring, for his postseason experience, for his incredible production, for his ability to be a media lightning rod, with no other offers—Manny makes SO much sense for the Mets right now.
except if castillo comes into the season hitting and not limping…have murphy be bench…murphy can hit and having him on the bench would be great
People are concerned over Putz’s health, but after watching some late ‘08 video of him, he looks to be close to full strength. Some general impressions:
Consistently throws 96-98 mph fastballs early in the count and finishes off hitters with a wicked splitter. Rarely uses the change. Was just as effective against lefties as he was against righties. Command wasn’t as sharp as previous years, but that was more of a result of rust rather than health. Was strong down the stretch.
Also, Green appears to be a very underrated reliever. He was solid throughout most of the year but fell off towards the end due to being overworked. Is a cross-over pitcher. Throws around 90 mph with incredible sink. Rarely lets up a fly ball. Our infield will be worked, which may be scary notion considering our right side infield defense. Arm angle is not as extreme but appears to be an improvement over Joe Smith.
I think by moving to the NL and having both pitchers slide down a spot in the bullpen, Putz and Green will have a very effective year. Solid trade by Omar.
well apparently not with castillo around. so we get manny and murphy sits the bench with castillo still in the lineup? that would be a lot of money spent while still being stuck with castillo and 2 holes left in the rotation.
i just wish matt or someone from the mets would let slip what omar is thinking..lol..it would make all of this speculation easier.lol..o mean obviously we know hes going after a starting pitcher or two..but there is NO WAY that he thinks murphy and tatis are gonna be his left fielders
If we sign Manny or Dunn, Murph plays some 2B, a little RF, a few games in LF, pinch hits a lot, and is like Kevin Mitchell in 1986, and is ready for prime time in 2010.
And maybe he spells Delgado here and there and learns to play 1B? He did play a bit of 1B in AA ball….
well no obviously omar is going after SP first..thats a necessity…especially since no one is bidding on manny yet…so thats not a priority yet..i think once omar finds his rotation i think he will look into the outfield market and see if the wilpons are looking to spend a little more…thats just my thought on this
peckwizzle
murphy is not the next David Wright, he’s probably closer to the next Ty Wigginton just better average, less power.
Murphy would probably get 350-400 AB playing some 2B, RF and would be also see some time in LF, 3B, 1B. moving to 2B or 1B full time in 2010
especially if omar can get the pitching done this week..but i dont think so with the holidays though…im sure this will all take place in a few weeks..which is crappy
i think murphy will be better than wiggy oleo..not better than wright…but has potential to be a good aggressive player..hes the only one i saw last year on that team run out foul balls..he would be rounding first base when they would just be calling it foul..
the hosts on “the show” on Xm (I was listening on the way home from work)
forget who it was, but the point they were making was that Boras intended to have Manny sign late, after the Tex sweepstakes is over.
That way, he can 1) pit the losers against each other, and B), he knows who has themoney to spend!
tha, and the only teams guaranteed to have 0% chance of signing him were SD and Boston!
yeah oleo i’ve gotta project murphy as a pretty good player. he plays hard and has amazing plate discipline. i think he could win a batting title.
On SNY, Garry Apple said that Matt Yallof spoke with Randy Wolf. He said that Wolf stated if he receives a fair offer, he’d love to pitch for the Mets.
Obviously though, that goes without saying for any free agent.
Randy Wolf would be a good 5th starter.
interesting article from Orange County CA about K-Rod’s departure:
ocregister.com/articles/rodriguez-fans-angels-2252061-season-most
exactly..murphy plays the game like it should be played…he even says that thats how he watched it and thats his style..i think the rest of them should watch how he plays the game..so really all the talks we had about eric byrnes and a hard nosed guy he has..we have murphy..
i wouldnt mind seeing wolf on the mets as a number 5 starter..after we sign lowe and manny..lol
lol…they say that a mystery team has joined in the rafael furcal sweepstakes…mets anyone?..haha
Wow, thanks for that link gravedigger….VERY interesting….makes me ever gladder we have him!
If those are the reasons the Angels and their fans wanted him gone, we are going to LOVE him!!
kingman, that’s exactly the way I felt when I read it. More psyched than I was before.
gravedigger
thats a good article..i dont know what to say about it..how can they be happy they lost krod?..thats unbelievable
yeah kingman i couldnt agree more..we are going to embrace him like we ourselves know him like a friend..lol..haha..thats why when krod said the angel fans were more relaxed..they didnt like him
i was just reading about that MLB Network…that is going to be a cool show..
What made that article even more interesting to me was that I found it after reading a different article by a different writer at the same site, some excerpts below:
[It wasn’t quite on the same level of insult as the Iraqi journalist throwing shoes at President Bush, but Francisco Rodriguez did bring some heat in the form of this parting shot at Angels fans:
“It’s a totally different environment (in New York). In Anaheim, they’re more calm. They’re really relaxed watching the game. The Met fans, in the past when I played there, they feed off the noise. I try to take the energy from the crowd. The energy is going to help me get more into it. It’s going to help me.”
The high-strung Rodriguez’s implication is clear: He would’ve been even better if he’d had more fanatical support from Angels fans – which is either Rodriguez talking just for the sake of pleasing Mets fans or seriously misreading his own psychology.
An emotional guy in a high-pressure situation is a lot better off with a little bit of calm in the air as opposed to everyone around him bouncing out of control, too.]
Why are the Mets not going after a trade for Peavy?
He has been one of the best pitchers over the last few years.
enterkrod, yeah I’m excited about the new MLB network, too. I’m also a football fan and I enjoy a lot of what the NFL network has to offer, so I imagine I’ll enjoy the baseball channel too. They were smart in getting themselves included on most of the major cable and satellite providers in time for their start (Jan 1st I think). I believe they are going to be broadcasting the WBC games too.
yeah..this is going to be a really cool show..yeah its gonna be airing its first show on the 1st..although im a little confused because i have cablevision but i dont think i have the nfl network..so i might not get it
cliffie
its funny you should say that
Tom Krasovic of the San Diego Union-Tribune has a quote from Padres CEO Sandy Alderson regarding Jake Peavy:
“It’s likely Jake will be with us Opening Day. We said from the very beginning in connection with both of those possibilities that we would not make a trade unless it made baseball sense. We are no longer actively pursuing any trade for Jake, which is not to say someone won’t approach us.”
Pettitte? Are you kidding? For his price? I’d go with Wolf if I were the Mets. Didn’t the Mets they choke in Sept? Yes. Well…in September last year Wolf’s was 4-1 with a 2.23 ERA while Pettitte went 1-5 in his last 6 starts with an ERA at a fat FIVE!! What’s in your wallet Wilpon?
metscape
hopefully lowe/wolf/manny…lol
Wow!! I was all over the place on that last post. I was, of course, comparing Pettitte to Randy Wolf whom the Mets have been rumored to be interested in. So in short I’d go with Wolf over Pettitte based on the September 2008 results. Sorry guys…I’m baking a red velvet cake right now and I think my finger is permanently damaged with red dye.
enterkrod I found a list of carriers and Cablevision is on it so you should be good. I don’t know the channel number yet though. I have directv and I will have the channel too.
alright..cool..thanks..i was trying to look but couldnt find it..lol..i was figuring ohhh crap im not gonna get it just my luck..lol
Chances of Giambi, Dunn or Burrell signing for less than $12M?
Would the A’s be interested in Delgado’s services? Looks like they’re making a run this year. They actually need a 1B and DH.
WAIT HOLD ON!!!! I GOT IT!!!….WHAT IF THE METS DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT SIGNING LOWE AND PEREZ AND GO AFTER WOLF AND KEEP NIESE IN THE 5 SPOT…YOU KNOW WOLF WONT BE ASKING AS MUCH AS PEREZ WILL..AND THEN SIGN MANNY??…ANY TAKERS ON THIS DREAM IDEA?
mets are going to get manny…angels dont want him..yankees say they would go for him…but i doubt that..red sox for obvious reasons is a no no…lol…possible big market suitor?…the NEW YORK METS
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Signing Pat Burrell to a 2 year contract is more value than Manny to a three or four year deal.
Even some of the best non-roiders in the game couldn’t make it past age 36 alone. Only Frank Robinson, Hank Aaron and Edgar Martinez got past 37. Pat Burrell would cost us approximately 7 runs in Total Value and sVORP, and save us about 8 runs in fielding RC. Plus he’s cheaper, doesn’t cost draft picks, and allows us to sign something we need, namely a starter.
The last sentence of this blurb from MLBtraderumors makes me shiver. I can’t believe they would bring back the same exact offense that withered down the stretch yet again this year. In my mind, you have to change at least 2-3 of the positions, just for change’s sake…Any competent GM would understand this. But check out the last sentence. If true, this is completely unacceptable and unfathomable. It’s very short sighted to just say “we scored enough runs last year” and think that you shouldn’t try to improve. Philly scored the most runs last year and they improved their offense….:
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Mets Considering Randy Wolf, Oliver Perez
By Tim Dierkes [December 15 at 10:14pm CST]
10:14pm: Wolf told MLB.com’s Marty Noble tonight that the Mets have shown “some interest.” Noble says the Yankees, Orioles, Dodgers, Braves, and Giants are also “thought to have interest.”
7:58am: According to Anthony McCarron of the New York Daily News, the Mets have checked the bullpen off their list and will now look to upgrade the rotation. It seems that Oliver Perez and Randy Wolf are the top targets, with the pricey Derek Lowe a less likely possibility. McCarron notes that the Mets have a strong relationship with Wolf’s agent Arn Tellem, who brokered the Francisco Rodriguez contract.
With A.J. Burnett off the board, perhaps the market for Lowe will heat up this week. The free agent starting pitching options remain strong – look at what was available on this date a year ago.
Offensively, McCarron doesn’t see much more than an Alex Cora addition on the horizon for the Mets.
it better not be alex cora..let me tell you..if we get randy wolf and thats it for SP..then you KNOW we must have had enough money for manny
not to mention that that is only one clowns opinion
lol do you guys actually believe we are getting manny or burrell. i mean i am a huge supporter of manny, but please. this team is focused on SP and thats it. Lets just hope they get Lowe if the mets do not focus any on their lineup
im a huge supporter of the manny theory…i really believe mets are going to get him
Pat Burrell = Kevin McReynolds
enterkrod
i hope your right, but i just dont see it
lol..pressures on..its just amazing to me that omar isnt thinking…i should actually say the wilpons because im sure omar wants him..the wilpons have seen the last two mets seasons go down the drain…signing either lowe or wolf and manny..COME ON….get it done!!..i mean honestly..it bothers me..forget the payroll crap….he wants to win championships?…he will let omar get it done
what do u guys think about trading ryan church for a good reliever and then signing manny
romo, I know u want ur BIG MAN – NY, but I think ur getting too excited.
I’m certain that if the cards fall the right way, Omar will not let us down.
10:42pm: The fourth team is the Braves, according to Ken Rosenthal. Kinzer told Rosenthal the Braves are “in deep” and Furcal is seriously considering their offer. Rosenthal believes it’s a three-year offer with a vesting option. Rosenthal spoke to an exec who felt the same as Joel Sherman, that Furcal does not want to sign with the A’s.
Adding Furcal would give the Braves a middle infield surplus. Good shortstops are hard to find and the Braves would have two.
NtNYM3, we need more OFs not less. Plus, relievers you can get via FA so why trade. And who are you trading him for? We already have K-Rod and Putz.
lol case..you are a funny guy..lol… bring on manny!!
Did U See The Signing Manny Part
crap…angels looking in on manny….crap…NOOOO…case this isnt good
I really think the mets should give murphy the starting 2B job. I mean, I think he cant be any worse than kelly johnson defensively. it would be nice if our 2B gives US something like this 300, 15, 80 RBI which I think he can do. also sign a backup 2B just in case.
and BTW SIGN MANNY!!!
NtNYM3, I did, but it’s not like Church is keeping us from signing Manny. He’s not getting paid much, he’s still arbitration eligible. If you said, let’s trade Delgado and then sign Manny, that would make more sense.
i’m for murphy starting at 2nd but i guess they don’t feel he’s capable. if by some slim chance manny is signed, maybe murphy plays 2nd against righties and castillo against lefties since batting right handed is the only time he lifts a ball out of the infield.
dominicanboy08, how’s that fastball coming along? How’d F-Mart and Gomez do? I turned it off after they batted.
Murph wouldn’t get the starting job, he might get some starts there, but wouldn’t start.
Johnson came up as a SS, so it was prob an easier transition for him.
enterkrod, Manny is a plan B or C for the Angels.
Christmas list:
Sign Manny and Lowe/Ollie.
Enterkrod how good of a prospect is f mart
ok good…lol…almost died
i’m becoming more and more interested in giving abreu a 3 yr deal…i mean the guy can hit 290/20/100 with 20 sbs and hed be a great 2-hitter for this team…i think they can add a lefty instead of a righty as long as theyre putting him in the 2-hole…reyes, abreu, wright, delgado, beltran, church, castillo, schneider, pitcher…not bad and youll never have a lefty back to back against lefty starters not countying the 9-hole
hey, whats up case? I havent practice much lately, this weather $uks, I’ll start again in may. this is my offseason and I am very boring.lol I want to pitch soon,since I am praticing my new cutter grip.
I didnt watch the rest of the game, but I like how f-mart is growing.
When Will He Be Brought Up To The Bigs
Abreuboo is horrible. Did you see him play this year?
cutter? I thought you were working on a changeup
he is in the top 50 wasnt he? hes got a lot of potential…he has pop and has good plate discipline..hes gonna be a good ball player…
F-Mart is projected for 2010. He could start in AAA this year.
yea, but my change-up is horrible, I dont use it that much, only against lefties. I may stop using it if I dont have success with it next year.
It Looks Like The Yankees Are Out Of The Lowe Sweepstakes
Thanks to every that stopped by my lil blog today.
LET’S GET TEX!
hey no problem case..i actually liked your site..lol..even after all the comments…lol
Omar I beg you, no Petite! No Lowe! too old and costly. Trade with Tampa bay (they still owe us for the Kazmir trade) Lots of pitching on that team, Kazmir, Shields, Garza, solinstine, Price , Nieman. Pick one and go get em….. I also think Boby Abreu would be a great signing especially since we wouldnt have to give up a draft pick for compensation.
Also Target SP Clayton Keyshaw LAD, SP Bronson Arroyo Cincinati, SP Dave Bush Brewers.
lower level Target a 2 player deal with Pit for Nate Mclouth OF and Ian Snell SP as a 5th/ 6th pitcher.
lower level target Padres OF Jody gerut, SP Josh Geer 5th/6th pitcher.
Dont sign Oliver Perez, Scott Borus probably wants too much and Perez is simply not that good. Lets take some draft choices as compensation for him.
wow so u plan on trading for possibly a top 5 sp prospect in kershaw? And u want a top notch CF in Mclouth who had 25 and 90 last year? And on top of that, you want kazmir, or garza, or price who are also some of the best young pitchers in baseball? wow
how do u plan on accomplishing this? seriously come on man.
well I woulnt expect all to get done, but one or two of those options, I heard that the yankees had a trade in place for Kershaw for Cabrera ceterpiece plus some minor leaugers, but the yankees pulled out last minute. I figured Church center piece and some tricky thinking of Omar, Maybe a Niese or lesser piting prospect.
We have many chips to dangle, Mcloth/Snell couldnt be that difficult to aquire. Any pitcher form the Rays might be tricky, but not impossile to get.
What would you suggest NSR?
i suggest that i would keep as much of the farm as possible right now because its just not necessary to give it away with the free agents that are available. it makes no sense to give away young talent when we can get talent in free agency.
NSR, the only unrealistic player I mention is David Price, and that was only to show the abundance of pitching on the Rays. Nate Mclouth would also be difficult, but in the realm of possibility. Everyone else is very realistic especially if we get Abreau for nothing.
what FA would you recommend?
I believe there is not much of a market for Ollie. Just wait it out, and his asking price will come down to a k-rod type deal. Perhaps, sign a Japanese import to compete for the 5th spot or be the long man if Niese proves adequate. The Bullpen still needs a LOOGY and one more cross over guy. Maybe Guardado and Nelson.
That’s the most fans should realistically expect. If youre dreaming of Tex or Manny, go play fantasy baseball or make that trade on mlb 2k9. Murphy needs abats.
ohhhhhhhhhh omar….the nl east got a whole lot more interesting.
furcal is going back to the braves. which means mostlikely peavey will be a brave when they trade escobar. if this happens and omar only signs perez back i feel like we will be in 3rd place this year. we now need lowe and a big bat. anything less we are doomed
The braves need way more to compete and the padres GM said that he sees jake peavy still with them on opening day.
braves have holes beyond that.
And when Furcal and Peavy both end up on the DL, it will be cellar time.
The Phillies are still the team that worries me. Even though all of those Braves teams killed us for so many years, those players minus Chipper who is always hurt are gone. It’s Shane Victorino, Ryan Howard and Chase Utley that worry me.
manny is needed on the mets now more than ever. believe it.
Seriously, Brian Cashman has proved himself to be absolutely incompetant over the past several years. You dont even need to put out the list of terrible trades and signings, but this year takes the cake
he overbids on Sabathia by $60M, gives two more years to Burnett than anyone else, and now misreads the market on one of the Yankee favorites.
not saying Petite is worth it, but geez Brian, do you think you misread the market on that one?
he rivals Duquette
with any luck, Utley is out until June/July after the hip surgery. And who knows hwo well he will recover (and how fast). major loss for the phils.
so basiclaly, so far they are replacing Utley with a stop gap scrub for 1/2 the season, and have traded Burrell for Ibanez. Oh, and added Ronnie Paulino and Mayberry Jr. And of course Chan Ho park.
Now that sounds like standing still at best!
matt, get to work. you are sleeping like omar is with the offense. SIGN MANNY!
dont ban me bro
Castillo & Delgado for Howard. Castillo will break down by the time Utley is healthy