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Jerry Crasnick of ESPN.com believes the Mets and Indians are among several teams to contact free-agent, left-handed reliever Will Ohman.
According to Crasnick, “The Mets, already in the market for a lefty reliever to complement Pedro Feliciano, could be ready to step up their efforts for Ohman now that Philadelphia has added lefty hitter Raul Ibanez to its lineup.”
Ohman, 31, was 4-1 record with a 3.68 ERA in 83 appearances for the Braves last season, during which he struck out 53 batters in 59 innings, while lefties hit .200 against him.
Ohman is reportedly seeking a two– or three-year deal, similar to contracts recently signed by Jeremy Affeldt, Damaso Marte and Kyle Farnsworth, i.e., around $4.5 million per season.
Speaking of relief pitchers…
According to MLB.com, 19 teams, including the Mets and Braves, have contacted free-agent reliever Joe Nelson.
Will Ohman would be a real solid signing. Do you remember how good he was for Atlanta two years ago?
You get those 2 and trade Sanchez you have a heck of a pen.
Krod
Putz
Ohman
Nelson
Feliciano
Green
Stokes/Parnell
That’s a pen.
fine, but not a 3yr deal
I actually would rather have Guardado than Ohman but I will take either.
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RE: “Do you remember how good he was for Atlanta two years ago?”
I’m guessing you meant the Cubs??
This guy would be a great fit. Philly is so lefty heavy that Ohman would be an ideal aquisition.
ohman and also, get guardado!!
LOL, The Chosen1.
Ohman was with the Braves last year wasn’t he.
Last year was infact his career year. Becareful giving out that type of contract to a middle Show Reliever.
Get Ohman, keep Dirty Sanchez..he’s gonna bounce back, watch….and if our pen is rockin, Sanchez could be used in a trade for a bat
Alex we dont’ want 3 LOOGY’s. It’s either or.
Has there been any rumors on Guardado? He should be cheaper and only a 1-2 year contract.
TRS:
will ohman pitch with the cubs 2 years ago!!
TRS:
well, i rather guardado.. closer bullpen..
Big Chart, why not sign Nelson and trade Sanchez for a bat right now? Trade him in a package for Molina.
TRS (8):
Yep. I was referring to the first poster saying ‘Ohman was good with the Braves 2 years ago’. He only played for the Braves in ‘08.
I know Alex, I was laughing at the guy who said the Braves.
TRS:
i guess we all have our baseball player crush, mine was teixeira, it seems yours is MOLINA!! lol..
sorry guys. i meant the braves last year. my bad! anyways, he would be a good signing.
Lol, sorry the real, didn’t see that one!!! LOL..
No it’s just there is not another potential trade for a catcher that would fit any better at all. RH with power. It does not look like we will upgrade 2B and at this point even LF so Catcher is about my best chance.
NYMfan (17) -
No need to apologize. The last 2 seasons for Mets fans feels like 1 LONG miserable one. :)
No interest in Ohman. I’d rather they get a couple SP, and let Neise get his feet wet in the bullpen – Joba style.
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are you serious? 100% doubful that happens..
Guardado 1st choice, but Oehman wold not be a bad option either.
don’t bother with Nelson. Sanchez is getting a bum rap, but he was not that bad overall last year.
he is still cheap, and realtively young, so there is a decent chance that he has a good year being another one past his surgery.
Worth taking a shot on Duaner IMO, at least into the spring, but if he can be dealt, OK.
Nelso just isn’t likely to do any better than Sanchez, so why spend more money?
ohman would be a solid signing…need one more lefty with feliciano…and i agree with whoever said they think sanchez is gonna bounce back this year…I think he can wind up being a very stable 7th inning guy…
So you could completely remake the pen stickguy. And I think Sanchez in a package may get us some other holes.
Not only that but did you look at Nelson’s stats last year? Dominant.
Haven’t we depended on bounce back seasons long enough?
We have a chance to get a solid pen with very few question marks, I say you do it.
Molina wold be a great addition. Unless they can get a young “catcher of the future” with the future starting in 2009, he is the best looking option to upgrade on the field.
I still expect something to happen with 2B. 1st step is get a real BU MI type (miles, hairston, grudz) that could step in as the starting 2B if needed (Murphy can also be an option). They need a bench MI anyway!
get the coverage in place, and hope Luis gets moved for anything not too objectionable, or released (as-suming he doesn’t get hurt first!).
that way, even if yo don’t trade/sign a replacement, you are still upgrading.
Molina and any one of hariston/miles/grudz/murphy just looks like a much better lineup that Schnieder/castro and Castillo.
Last comment on this but Nelson’s stats last year were better than ANY season Sanchez has ever had.
Not sold on Nelson after one good season (albeit very good) after bouncing around for years.
Ohman has always been very good against lefties only. He can not pitch at all to righties. I hate that. Because it doesn’t always work out that you can afford to change pitchers three times in one inning. We need to avoid doing that again.
Feliciano should be the LOOGY. But if they get another lefty, they should get one capable of pitching a whole inning.
Sanchez couldnt be traded for a box of balls at this point/….
thats the problem with sanchez, right now his stock is very low…
If we get Guardado/ Ohman and Nelson I’m pushing for us to sign The Rock to do the bullpen announcements.
“Now pitching for The New York Mets… IIIIT DOESN’T MATTERRR WHO’S COMING OUT OF THIS BULLPEN! YOU WILL NOT WIN”
oh yeah, no more LOOGYS!
They do need a lefty, but it needs to be someone capable of pitching a full inning to nay batter.
really they need a second set up man.
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W.. O… W..
Agree completely stickguy.
I would love Harriston but I think he will start some where. Miles I am not sure would want to be here. Grudzy, however, left KC and more money to go somewhere with a chance to win. He would be perfect. I would at that point make it a platoon with Castillo and if Castillo keeps falling apart dump him. Pay like 10 million and trade him for anything.
I really wish they would go with a platoon of Murphy and Castillo as Castillo hits LH better than RH and would only play a few games a week. But I don’t see it happening.
Great! $4.5M for Ohman, $17M for Lowe, what a deal!
Will Ricardo Rincon and Randy Wolf or Jon Garland be that much worse? And that’ll cost a fraction of Lowe and Ohman. In that case, let’s get Hudson for $10M.
i would spend any more money on the bullpen.
i’d bring in lowe or ollie + garland or equivalent + a bat (speedster spark, pop, or grit)
manny would be a ws title, but i’d settle for less if those three are met
Wanny I disagree. Ohman’s numbers against RH are not that bad at all considering. Not too many LHP are going to have better. Last year he had a .256 BA against him. That’s nothing like Show’s .333 BA or Feliciano’s .357.
Case:
my boy, no tex for us.. ur sarcasm is KILLING me!! lol..
case — Wolf is lucky to pitch 100 innings. So, yes, he’d be worse than just about anything.
And I disagree on Sanchez’s value. It is not what it was but I am sure there is still quite a bit of value there considering what middle relievers are going for these days. He is still young and cheap. That would cost a lot on the open market.
Casestreet
So you don’t want to waste money on SP but want to waste money on the most overrated FA of the offseason in Hudson? Would Hudson give you 9 million dollars better than Grudzy?
If Ohman isn’t going to be cheaper than Show I’m not sure I understand the point?
I just looked at the numbers and they don’t lie. BEIMEL is better than any of these clowns!!! Whatever it costs, the Mets need to get Beimel and Lowe. The idiotic thing is that Beimel won’t even cost that much relatively. This is where the NY Mets always blow it! Late in the season or earlier, if we don’t get Beimel, we will regret it. Then Omar can blame us blowing a third straight September on something else, but this will something that we could point to. I am quite surprised that Beimel hasn’t signed already with somebody else.
Actually nevermind, thereal is right I just checked. he’s not as dominate against lefties as Show but he’s no where near as terrible against righties either. He’s definitely the type of guy we need to add to our pen with so many roogies right now.
oh man, what a waste to pay $$$ for another reliever with other holes
I’ve been a proponent of an Ohman signing. However, first we must sign Lowe or Perez.
I don’t know about Beimel either. He pitched to an awful lot of luck last year. Lefties hit .278 against him and let a lot of hitters on base. The key with him was that he never pitched long enough to get beat up. 49 IP in 71 outings?
In general, I’d rather they get a good righty who can get hitters out from both sides than just get a guy because he throws with his left hand.
Really look at Beimel’s stats besides ERA. And Gina, we really don’t have that many ROOGY’s right now either.
I can’t even watch this CC Sabathia and AJ Burnett press conference, a bunch of spin and lies.
Krod: Not a Roogy
Putz: Not a Roogy
Sanchez: Better against LH than RH last year. Over his career still not a Roogy
Stokes: Stat’s like a Roogy but used in long relief it does not matter as much.
Green: Roogy
Parnell: Who knows
45: Beimel is not good at all. look past the fluky ERA. he’s basically a giant magic act. he gives up a lot of walks and hits (looked at that WHIP), meaning that his ERA is due for a huge bump up for the unlucky team that signs him. plus, doesn’t strike out very many, meaning he obviously is very hittable.
Either Guardado or Ohman wouldn’t bad choices, however, if we’re going to LOOGY route, i’d like to see the mets look into either Brian Shouse or Dennys Reyes. both are great at getting lefties out, and do not put a lot of runners on base (low BB’s and BAA’s).
AJ Burnett: “The only time I was able to go to the postseason, I was on the DL.”
Ain’t that the truth. LOL
Its been a week since the Winter meetings ended….Old format back please.
Hey, what is this? MisterMet with a rational post? Is this the real mistermet?
But back to your post, Yes Beimel does stink.
Guardado would be my first choice.
I want nothing to do with another just LOOGY. We already have that in Feliciano. Give me the guy that can stay in when the opposing manager pinch hits.
starz31 just think about how good it will be to see them still finish in 3rd place.
TRS: Agreed.
I’m fine going into the season with the current crop of relievers — rod, putz, feliciano, green, sanchez, stokes and the kids. A couple of AAAA (Muniz, Robertson, Collazo etc.) types or veterans in AAA (Rincon, etc.) make sense as failsafes.
If they can get someone who can do what Mota did for a few steroid induced weeks (dominate both sides for more than an inning) then so be it. But they hardly need to sign a schlub just for the sake of it.
Beimel is not good. Ohman is MUCH better.
Gina, becareful. We are just 1 injury away from there ourselves.
They still need another left handed reliever, but one that is a crossover not a LOOGY, they have Feliciano for that
I think Sanchez has somewhat of a bounce back year. He was spent at the All-Star Break last season. Look at the numbers. Pre-AS-Break. 1.15 WHIP and .208 BAA in 40 innings. That is outstanding, after the AS break 1.61WHIP and a .308BAA in 18 innings.
The dude didn’t pitch against major league talent in almost a year and a half and still held them to a 1.15WHIP and a .208BAA. I’d say that was pretty solid. Then he eventually hit the wall because he didn’t have the arm conditioning. He was actually better then he was in the first half of 2006, when everyone loved him.
Give him a year of full off season work, and i don’t think he tires out at the AS Break again. He will be confident he won’t get hurt and he will have enough work that his arm won’t tire.
Wow the tabloids would have a field day with that name if he ever blew a save.
I still would consider Chad Cordero.
Ohman’s stats the last 3 years vs lefty and righties are better than Guardo’s.
Yeah really. CC did not look good in his part. He knows it is all about the money. Her simply could not say this. He seems pretty full of it.
I am surprised AJ’s arm wasn’t in a sling already. I guess we can wait until May to see that.
By the way, Ken Rosenthal predicts that the Mets will sign PAT BURRELL.
ROSENTHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLL!!!!
Pat Burrell? Really? I mean, he’s good and all…but he’s PAT BURRELL!!!
Actually…
um…
he’d…uh..be a good fit.
thereal tbh at this I’m thinking second place is the absolute best case scenario. But at least we’re not obnoxious like Yankee fans, and at least we won’t be finishing out of the play-offs after dropping 240 million on pitchers.
Signing Burrel over Dunn is weird. They’re basically the same player except Burrel is 3-4 years older, which means closer to a decline, and not as good offensively. And as far as I know can’t be moved to first base.
Gina, what do you mean? Do you honestly think we don’t have the talent to go to the playoffs?
The only reason I can think to bring Burrell in over Dunn is the fact he’s a RH bat, which we need. But still, I’d pick Dunn over him in most cases.
Although it’s not nearly as weird as choosing to not offer arbitration to Burrel and then signing a similar player to a more expensive deal.
I’d have no problem with Burrell. Yeah, he’s a Philly, blah blah. He would be a complimentary piece of the offense and a damn good one when he gets hot. Our defensive LF is awful as is. Maybe he has a vendetta against the Phils and lights them up.
Gina, I know that Ohman has better stats. Guardado adds experience and will be cheaper and on a shorter term.
krod I think we do, I just also think the Phillies, Marlins and Braves have just as much talent to go to the play-offs, and that we have a lot of question marks, less than the Braves probably though, that the front office doesn’t seem to be even trying to address that could very easily come back to bite us in the a-s-s.
Gina,
The braves?? the marlins??? As much talent as the Mets??
Ya they might have some talent, but come on, as much as the Mets???
the braves still have major issues…their starting rotation is still completely up in the air..the marlins will give a fight, but they havent made enough moves to put them in the same conversation as us and the phils
I just think that…last year, we got unlucky. Our bullpen was awful. The bullpen moves we’ve already made at least saves half of the blown saves last year. We would have been in easily. So, I think right now, we’re the team to beat. Not that that should make us complacent. Things can change between now and April. We need to keep making moves. But at this rate, things look good for us moving forward.
When you look at all the ml ready prospects the marlins have and how young their rotation was last year I think they easily have as much talent as we do.
Gina,
Major league ready prospects?? I am not talking about which AAA or AA team is better.
Look at the product the put on the field everyday, and look at the product the MEts put on the field. you are looking into this way to much. Go position by position, all i give them is 2B. SS will depend on who you talk to but the gap is very close there.
Come on Gina
Having an awful bullpen isn’t unlucky, it’s poor team building, our bullpen was bad down the stretch in 07 so it’s not like it came out of no where. And as far as unlucky who was more unlucky than the Braves, they lost 3/5ths of their rotation and the back of their bullpen.
Gina, in a few years, perhaps. This year? No.
I think Gina was referring to the Yankees finishing in 3rd place.
I don’t think we’ll be in 3rd place….if history tells s anything it’ll be 2nd place on the last day of the season….. ;-)
But we just fixed our bullpen. Our main and only significant problem.
I’ll take Bradley over Burrell and Dunn.
Jose Reyes is the 2nd best SS in the MLB. Hanley Ramirez is the 1st.
Gina, but you also have to say that the wagner injury was unlucky, I mean with a healthy Wags all year, you would have to say The Mets would have made the playoffs.
Dunn, Bradley, Burrell, Abreu.
Just thinking of Burrell gives me the shivers.
I know you can make a case on paper for him, but still, please no!
If nothing else, this guy is close to falling apart physically, and the Phils knew it real well.
Now, on a 1 year deal? that even the phils didn’t want to do? Who knows.
geez, between pat and Bobby, which ex-phil OF do you want the least?
Wonder if he does end up on a 1 year deal? Probably not, but also probably better off heading to the AL at this point.
Jut get Wiggington instead and at elast get a guy that should be able to play every day, and can cover other positions.
Gina, you often make good points…but admit you’re wrong here.
and uggla is a lethal bat, but horrible on defense..i dont think the marlins are there yet…they wont be far behind, but it will definitely come down to us and the phils fighting for the division, and hopefully the team that doesnt win will have wild card locked
I don’t want Burrell at all. He is too inconsistant. I would rather have a 15 HR guy that his all year than a 30 HR guy that just hits for 2 months. We already have one of those in Delgado.
One thing that you can’t deny is that top to bottom, we have the most interesting division in baseball.
(54) I love that
(88) Burrell over Abreu… Burrell is RH and has a ring (it hurts to type that)
That said, Abreu is a better hitter, maybe less power, but hits more.
Ugh, I’d rather not have either…but there is something tempting about Burrell playing philly on our side and not against.
Milton Bradley is a very good hitter and very tempting…I’m surprised there isn’t any interest there (not saying get him, but at least inquire)
I’m not worried about his clubhouse presence, but I’d worry about his relationship with the media. He’s very sensitive and not believing in dinosaurs could potentially spur some incidents.
I want Lowe, Ollie and Bradley.
trs86: I agree on Hudson. Big time waste. 2B should be the last position we should be spending money on. They should have signed Grudsz 2 years ago.
thereal,
true he is very inconsistent, but you have to look at it this way too, he has the ability to carry a team for a month when say wright or delgado is slumping. And if everyone is on at the same time that makes us very difficult to beat.
I just want another offensive player. My first choice would be Adam Dunn but any of them would be fine as long as it is someone. We cannot go back into the season with the same 8 guys. The offense can get better and should. I’d even consider batting Dunn 2nd to break up the three lefties.
Reyes
Dunn
Beltran
Delgado
Wright
Church
Schneider
Castillo
I think the problem with bradley is the injuries, although the crazy doesn’t help either. He’d be an awesome pick up for an AL team who needs a DH, supposedly Tampa is interested, but I can’t imagine him lasting long having to play in the outfield every day.
I agree, i would rather have dunn than burrel, i owuld think that they would command about the same type of contract. But if it were Burrel, i would be happy cause its an upgrade to what we have now.
2009 NL East Standings Prediction:
(As of 12/18/08)
1. Mets 97-65
2. Phillies 90-72
3. Marlins 88-73
4. Braves 76-86
5. Nationals 95-97
Other predictions?
NYmetsfan. With our lineup we don’t need guys to carry us. We need guys that will night in and night out get the job done. Good role players. Burrell does not fit this. What if Delgado and Burrell are both slumping? Which chances are being that they are only on for 2 months a year is bound to happen.
or I’d take a Castillo + bodies for Dye swap.
Lowe and Ollie
wadehead9
that’s a pretty big blowout for a tesm with 2.5 starting pitchers to date
LOL, Elastic so would any Mets fan. However, that’s not happening unless you include at LEAST Niese. The Wsox would most likely bring in Hudson than to trade Dye and bring in Castillo.
wadehead:
I predict the Nationals will not play that many games.
wade, decent predictions, elastic we are not getting lowe AND ollie, it will probably be one or the other
Lowe and someone like Garland/Wolf would be optimal. But, I’m willing to leave the #5 to Niese for the time being and look for an offensive player and finish off our bullpen first.
Mets 92-70
Phillies 90-72
Braves 81-81
Marlins 78-84
Nationals 69-93
thereal,
you only give the Mets a 3 game jump over last year?
trs, interesting bravs/marlins #’s you have there…
but i think the marlins will be better than that, and the braves worse than that…the mets i would have to predict at least 95 wins
The Sox have been trying to shop Dye all offseason. Make a nice package with Castillo in the mix. Then trade for Micheal Young to play 2B. Texas has been quietly shopping him as well. Both the Sox and Texas are looking for young pitching.
If we sign Lowe and Ollie/sheets/garland/wolf
we won’t need a starter if we trade Niese.
Elastic, I am guessing you think the Mets have an elastic payroll. That would add about 50 million to our current payroll even after droping Castillo.
Longisland
If and when the Mets sign Ollie or Lowe, i agree with you, 95 wins is more like the number i see, maybe more depending on the offensive upgrades.
Elastic,
Go check Michael Young’s numbers and contract.
Then come back and comment on him again. Michael Young has one of the worst contracts in baseball history.
elastic, michael young is crap and owed 16 million per until 2013. There’s zero reason to trade for him. And the Sox apparently want serious prospects for Dye or something.
ny…gotcha…
wadehead, whats wrong with Michael Young’s numbers? The guy can hit.!!
I think the Marlins will take a step back this year. A lot of their offense came from the HR and many from unlikely sources. I don’t see them improving.
The Braves I think will end up getting another pitcher and an OF. They will have a solid team IF IF IF they can stay healthy.
The Mets? Are we really going to go through these debates again. “Only 1 game better?” “Come on”….
How many games did we improve last year with the Addition of Johan over Glavine?
The Mets have way too many question marks in their rotation and their offense for me to say they are going to go out and win more than 92 games.
Gina,
How is Michael Young Crap?? Castillo.. Now thats crap. But Michael Young? He can flat out hit!!
IF the Rangers took all of Castillo’s contract and still paid the 15 million defered on Young’s contract, then it MIGHT be a good deal.
trl, don’t underestimate the Marlins, their pitching is going to get real good quick. If they learn how to play NL baseball, they’ll be quite good.
Michael Young is not crap, however he is going to give you about what Hudson does. Now considering that Hudson is incredibly overrated and wants 4/40 you would go out and get a guy that makes 5/80 to do the same thing?
darn moderation,
trl, my point earlier was that why overpay for a reliever? can’t one of our minor league guys s*ck just as much and not have to pay them $4.5M. I mean, we have our top 2 guys in the pen. No more LOOGY or ROOGY. Crossovers! That’s it! I want Figgy and Stokes and Knight and Parnell, etc. Crossover Pitchers!
And I would never advocate for Hudson over pitching, or anything else. He’s plan Z.
And I don’t see the need to overpay for Lowe when there’s a bunch of other pitchers who are slightly worse than him, but much cheaper.
Case, I am not under or overestimating the Marlins. I will have to see it to believe it. I think last year was a fluke because of all the power numbers. We shall see.
thereal,
not true, michael young will play 155+ games, Hudson will play 130 if your lucky.
Young Offense is much better than Hudson’s
obviously its not in the budget for a high paid second baseman, but youngs contract was pretty tricky and isnt 5/80..he was paid a 20 mil signing bonus and the way his contract stands now its 5/60..his numbers are great but still not in our budget
Case, I would not over pay for a ROOGY or LOOGY. However, Ohman, Nelson and Guardado have good enough numbers from both sides. I would not give any of them 3/12 but if I can get one on a 1-2 year deal at 3 million or less I am very interested.
718 Young is absolutely horrible defensively, like worse than Castillo horrible, and his offense is declining rapidly. And he’s owed 16 million per through 2013. Omar signing Castillo looks genius compared to Young’s contract.
Gina, don’t bother arguing against Michael Young on this site. It’s pointless. You’re 100% right on Young and the argument that “he can flat-out hit” is laughable, but it isn’t worth your time.
if you guys want to see pictures of j.j. putz confrence 2day at citifield go to mets.com
Michael Young’s BA and OBP last 6 years.
284 339
315 366
314 356
331 385
313 353
306 339
Hudson does not even come close but once
.305 .367
.294 .356
.287 .354
.271 .315
.270 .341
.268 .328
Michael Young:
Singles hitter with no speed. Average at best defensive value. Just signed an $80M contract through 2013, and is already 32.
Career:
.300/.346/.442
2008 Season:
.284/.339/.402
Is that what you want for that kind of money?
NYmetsfan, I don’t want either but there is no way you can convince me that Young’s offense is worth 6 million more.
And according to MLBcontracts.blogspot.com he has 5/80 with 15 million deffered.
He is also 32 years old.
You want a 37 year old 2B making 16 million?
Spink it’s not 5/60, Cots has him a still being owed 16 million per until 2013.
Im not talking about the money, ya is contract is very very bad. Im just saying he is not crap, hes a good player.
718. i don’t want Hudson either. And look at just his obp and slugging numbers the last 3 years. They’re declining fast. He’s lost 73 ops points in 3 years, 50 some points in slugging percentage. And that’s while playing in probably the worst hitters park in the entire league.
NYMetsFan, you can’t see the rapid decline in Young? He actually wasn’t a good offensive player last year. He wasn’t. I don’t have the stats in front of me but I know that his average dropped about 20 points, his OPS was below 800, and his OPS+ was below 100. He’s a bad defensive player on a brutal contract.
(”But he won a GG!”)
Irrelevant. It was a pathetic choice for SS and there are multiple articles written on the subject.
NYMETS fan,
All players are judged based on their contracts. Otherwise there is no way to make relative comparisons.
Also, I think I could hit .300 hitting in front of Hamilton and Bradley last year…
His defense isn’t average 718, he’s one of the worst in the league. That’s part of the reason the Rangers want him out so badly he’s costing them more runs than he makes.
i would doubt that we are going to get either one, anyway, so all of this arguing is pretty much moot
thereal,
your right, its not worth more. and i dont want either, i would rather spend the money in LF cause the LF options are better. I was just pointign out that Young was a pretty good player, NOT advocating for him to be in a Met Uni.
longislandmetsfan, unless Omar reads this blog for personnel tips everything we say on here is moot.
You guys use stats on here like they are in a vacuum. You have to attach those stats to money as well.
Young is better than Hudson but not 6 million a year better. Hudson is better than Castillo but not at 4/40. Thus the best thing we can do for 2B is to get a guy like Grudzy for 2 million and call it a day.
Gina, I know were beating a dead horse here because it doesnt matter either way, but he was paid 20 mil already of that contract with bonus money
I don’t even think it’s fair to say that Young is necessarily better than Hudson even if contracts were equal. Young’s offensive prowess is myth at this point. He is just not that good of a hitter anymore. Hudson is a great defender while Young is awful. All things considered (including an equal salary), I’d take Hudson. Hudson’s defense no doubt makes up for any offense that people think he gives up to Young (which I don’t agree with, but still).
I dont want to bring it up but i will.
This is why Manny would have been so great for us. Because with Manny, who really cares who is at 2B and at C??
gina, lol, good point…but a lot of the pitching scenarios we have been talking about are actually realistic….this whole 2nd base thing is I guess More moot…
I would hope that Omar would not make the mistake of getting either Hudson or Young unless they are coming in at about 6 million a year. 2B decline WAY too rapidly.
Groundball pitchers will care 718
Putz said, “I just want to win, man. It’s gonna be fine. I’ve done it before, and Frankie is not a bad guy to have to set up.”
I think they do need a couple of more new arms in the pen. I wouldn’t be upset to see Feliciano or Sanchez go if they are replaced with guys who can get the job done.
To me if we were going to go with Young at 2B for that money it would make more sense to go with Murphy there and let him take his lumps for 15 million cheaper. That’s a lot of pitching and OF you can buy with 15 million.
I think at this point we have to keep Feliciano. But if we could bring in Nelson and Guardado for cheap I would be dancing in the streets.
trs, true about Murphy. If you got a budget, better to load up on top end guys (manny, tex, etc.) and use cheaper guys to make up for it.
That, of course, is when the output from the expensive guy is likely no better than the cheap guy! Like with 2B right now.
they all either stink or have issues (D), so might as well do it on the cheap.
stickguy, it’s true but apparently it makes way too much sense for the front office to consider.
Hypothetically can you imagine a team with Murphy @ 2nd and Manny/Dunn in lf vs a team with Castillo @ 2nd and a Murphy/Tatis platoon in lf? I doubt you lose much, if anything, defensively but imagine the huge offensive difference.
Gina, true, but it does also add about $20 million to the payroll (difference between Manny and Castillo).
Sign Ohman now. Do it, Omar!
the mets should get ohman even if it costs 5 mil a year for 2-3 years he gets lefties out and against the phils it would shut their big bats in utly howard and ibanez down with one guy
Agree — Ohman would be a great fit and would give us a formidable bullpen top to bottom.
As long as it does not reach 5 mil p/year, I am all for getting Mr. Ohman. He is much more than just a left Specialist. Yes he has blown some games( Even though it does not really make any sense of couple of the games he “blew”). He had a lousy year in 2007. Otherwise here are his numbers against RH:
2005: .231 BA .362 OBP .333 Slug .695 OPS
2006: .243 BA .341 OBP .389 Slug .730 OPS
2008: .256 BA .336 OBP .359 Slug .695 OPS.
Obviously he is better against LH but you can not seriously say he is crappy against RH. He could have better numbers against RH but those numbers are pretty good. If need be, he can pitch up to 2 IP. I say as long it does not reach 5 mil a/yr, it is def. worth it.
If we’re talking about grabbing an outfielder, I’d strongly consider making an offer for McClouth from Pittsburg. Yeah, he’s another lefty but he’s got Pop, Speed, and he’s a phenomenal defensive player. Sure, it’d take a lot to get him, but he’s young would be well worth it.
Also, Ohman would be a fantastic addition to the bullpen. Just the guy we need, methinks.