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Yesterday, Mark Teixeira and his agent, Scott Boras, met with executives from the Boston Red 
Sox, who offered the free-agent first baseman an eight-year deal, according to multiple reports.
However, late last night, the Boston Globe relayed an e-mail from Sox owner John Henry, which read:
“We met with Mr. Teixeira and were very much impressed with him. After hearing about his other offers, however, it seems clear that we are not going to be a factor.”
…honestly, my first reaction to this e-mail was that boras tried to package Jason Varitek in to the deal, as he’s accused of doing from time to time, and that – not the specific dollars for teixeira – is what is keeping them from being a factor…or, the Sox feel they are now bidding against themselves, due to boras’s mind games…but, that’s all just speculation…though, it’s logical, because, going in to yesterday, the general buzz in baseball seemed to feel it was inevitable that he’d sign in boston…
…that said, i did speak with two people yesterday, who deal in the business side of the game, both of whom, though guessing, felt teixeira would end up back with the Angels…so, who knows…
The Red Sox, Angels, Yankees, Orioles and Nationals have all been pursuing Teixeira since the end of the regular season.
Why do you care…
…if the Red Sox lose teixeira, knowing they’re not signing Manny Ramirez, it seems there is a good chance they decide to focus on Derek Lowe, who the Mets are wishing to sign…inversely, if the sox do sign teixeira, i believe it strengthens Omar Minaya’s position to sign lowe…
…also, if the sox sign teixeira, the buzz in new york suggests the Yankees will push to sign ramirez, who the Angels will likely try for, but if manny goes to the Bronx, the Angels could end up reaching out to minaya about Carlos Delgado…
…by the way, i hate blogging about teixeira, because it pains me knowing the Mets are not involved…i understand why they’re not involved, i just don’t like it…if there is ever a player worth an eight-year deal, it’s this guy…that said, he doesn’t pitch, and i agree pitching should be their primary focus right now…
Speaking of hitters, so to speak…
The Angels are close to re-signing free-agent OF Juan Rivera to a three-year contract, reports Tim Brown of Yahoo! Sports.
…good…get him off the board…i don’t know, but i just had this bad feeling he would end up on the Mets, either in left field or at first…
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Wait, so you’re OK with Fernando Tatis, but oh no, not Juan Rivera? Sometimes the things written on here are just plain absurd.
Matt why would the Mets picking up Rivera for cheap be a bad thing? A RH who could play LF and 1B for cheap? Nah don’t need one of those Murphy and Tatis are Gods.
I guess its the angels offering the world to Texiera?
Agree for once Cactus. Rivera if we were going to do nothing else with the offense is much better than the idea of going with Tatis and Murphy and expecting last year’s results. At least with Rivera it gives you 3 lottery tickets instead of 2.
I’m seriously praying that Omar is lying in the weeds on Manny.
The Tex thing will be interesting. With Boras as his agent and Tex being a union guy there could be a sleeper team here that is not a Sox, Yankee’s, Angels team. It’s almost for certain that the team that bids the most will get him.
That being said the Angels have the most at risk for him. They need a 1B much more than they need a closer or another OF.
now what?
i’d tell you what now, the mets trade delgado and get sonnastine… the mets sign tex and garland… then guardado to complete the bullpen..
Phil, I still think he is. I think there is a reason that we have seemed to be linked towards reducing some salary in Show and maybe Schnieder.
Signing Manny and trading Delgado to the Angels makes the most sense (if Tex does not go to the Angels.)
I really can’t understand why the mets aren’t interested in this guy. I know we need pitching, and we have CD, but come on. This would lock up first base and the middle of our lineup for many years. It would create an incredible core of players. I think this would put us in a position to be excellent year after year for a long time.
A 28 year-old who has been an all-star only once and has never finished in the Top 5 of MVP and only finished in the Top 10 of MVP in one year warrants “if ever there was a player worth an eight year deal, it’s this guy.”
Meh.
Alex, the Rays are not going to trade a starter now that they already traded Jackson
However, I think we should be knocking on the door of the Tigers. You know they have to be in sell mode. Maybe something where you could get a large package of Ordonez/Gullien, Palanco, and a pitcher for Castillo and prospects.
I was once interested in Tex. When I thought we could get him for 8/160. Now it’s just insane. Manny would be a much better value at this point. At this point you could get Manny and Dunn for the price of Tex.
Best news of the week. The Mets are in it, I’m almost 1% sure of it.
Matt, Rivera would be the smart move for the Mets, but no I guess you prefer Tatis/Murphy and overpaying for Lowe. Unreal.
Texiera is the most overrated player in the game., not named Jimmy Rollins.
If the Red Sox do NOT get Texeira, I don’t see the Yankees going hard for Manny. Honestly, who else does that leave for his services? I read an article stating that the Angels probably wouldn’t match the Dodgers’ offer.
It doesn’t make sense for the Mets to be out of it. I don’t think we will know anything about our outfield situation, until we secure a front end starter. By that time, hopefully Tex has signed, and the rest of the chips will fall.
Lol at measuring a players worth in all-star appearances and MVP voting…
Signing Manny and trading Delgao makes sens. But If Angels don’t have Tex, they’ll be in the mix for Manny as with Yanks. Given the love that Wilpons have for Manny, Mets will not outbid the Yanks and Angels for Manny.
So, say Manny ends up with Yanks, there’s no reason for Omar to trade Delgado and give up his power. Unless, they get someone great in return, which will not happen.
I don’t think the Angels are in it for Manny either way. They have too many OF and NO 1B. They also have a manager that won’t really put up with Manny being Manny either.
That leaves to me the Mets and the Dodgers for Manny. I know the Mets are saying they are not interested but I think it’s all a ploy. Make his market as small as possible and Boras will call us instead of the other way around.
Your write-up demonstrates Minaya’s failure as a GM. The market i obviously frozen while Tex picks his spot. No top pitcher (Lowe) will talk until the Boston GM i done with Tex but Omar can’t join in the Tex market because he can only think about starters now. He can’t sign a guy until he gets rid of a guy…. Please. Pathetic. Get the guy then worry about getting rid of a guy.
Kistics, I am almost willing to bet that if the Angels sign Rivera they are not going for Manny. That would give them 6 OF and no 1B. If they don’t get Tex they will trade for Konerko or Thome. Something like Figgins and a prospect for one of those 2 makes a lot of sense for both teams.
Yeah, cuz All-Star votes and MVP determines how good of a player you are.
Agreed, TRS86. Omar is laying low on Manny, not revealing even the mere thought of him. And then, with a favorable market situation evolving, he’ll swoop in and bring him here.
Rod, I just don’ think they are interested in Tex because the numbers are just silly. 8/200? Come on that’s too much for Tex. The guy is solid but not that solid.
Besides, if anything there is one thing the Mets do have is 1B prospects.
Omar is up to something.
Does anyone know if Wright is playing in the WBC?
This may sound wierd but the only way the Wilpons will get their money back is to sign Manny. Ya they probably dont like or want him, and Omar does. So i think they will give Omar the green light to try and sign him. Manny = Revenue and alot more other things like WINS.
bottom line….8/175+ is too much for a 1B when you have two holes in your rotation and suspect corner outfielders. Omar is not bringing Tex here because it’s the right move, not because of his inability to
trs,
Don’t forget Yanks will be in the race for Manny. Don’t get me wrong, I would love to see Manny hitting behind Wright next year. But if no teams are interested, Boras will drag this thing till the beginning of spring training rather than reducing salary demand.
put it this way if the red sox sign tex and the yankees sign manny i think this is a good thing…then this clears a path to lowe andddd next year prob eliminates to main competitors for matt holliday
Agree completely NYMets. They have to see that Wagner’s money does not count and Delgado will be gone.
Fsmetsfan,
very very good point.
Kistics, I think Manny to the Yankee’s is a smoke screen too. I just don’t see it. They don’t need another OF either. They would have to trade an OF to make room for him and his 20 million.
Everyone here saying Tex at 10/200 is too much wouldn’t be saying that if the Mets signed him!
Well said ohboy, though I think the hole at 2B should be more pressing than the semi-hole in LF once we actually have a starting rotation…
casestreet,
I dont think the yearly salary is too much, i just think 10 years is a long time to commit to a guy. Yes he is worth about 20/year no doubt about it. But for 10 years. And yes our right, if the Mets gave hom 10/200, i would not be mad either.
Lets wait and see how Holiday does outside of Coors before we care.
I really think that getting Manny and trading Delgado is the BEST thing we could do for the offense. Most likely that only cost us 8 million more than what we are paying and gives a fulltime spot to Murphy. That’s saving money considering we most likely could get a #5 pitcher back for Delgado for cheap.
I would definitely not bring in Tex for that amount of money. I am not convinced that he is a player of that caliber. When I think about that kind of money, I think of Pujols. But, this is the market that we are a part of.
I think GMs are aware of Boras’ tactics by now.
TRS..I agree with you on the Tigers..But I think you are thinking the wrong players…Ordonez and Willis…would be the way to go..I would like Polanco too but that would cost too much.
If we could get Manny or Tex for the same price per year, I’ll take Tex in his prime with his gold glove defense over Manny only playing to pad his own stats.
completely agree, however, there may not be much that can be done about 2b. I’m one of the few that believes ditching Castillo for anything, at this point, could potentially make this team worse. A limpy Castillo is probably better than most options at this point…sad, but true
thereal,
unfortunaetly for Holliday, he now plays in that HUGE football field in Oakland.
You know Yanks have money to sign Manny. Even with Manny, Yanks still lower their payroll from last year, which is ridiculous.
As for OF, it’ll be Damon, Nady, Matsui and Manny with rotating DH spot. I think that’s doable. Defense may be a question mark, but when did the Yanks care for defense
kistics,
that would be a funny a$$ sight seeing damon and manny running around for a fly ball.. Better give them some Pads and a helmet.
Wright IS playing in the WBC.
Jeter is the most overrated player (at this point).
This is not good for us. Tex signing with the Sox would have made things better for us.
I still hope we get Lowe, Ohman, and Dunn…Then there are plenty of creative options for 2B, #5 pitcher w/ NIese, C, and 1B if we have to trade Delgado…
it would be fun to watch Manny playing in Fenway in a Yankee uniform.
I wouldn’t be surprised couple things were accidentally (?) dropped from the green monster seats.
trs86
While it iss clearly unrealistic, i would trade Delgado if the Mets got Manny and signed someone to play 1B.
Kevin Millar could play 1B or even Adam Dunn, although from all accounts Dunn makes Delgado look like Keith Hernandez…
Would nayone here give sheets a 2 year deal at this point?
the real, you are starting to get a clue about manny. i tell all of you, yes at this point an sp is the primary….but…BUT…if omar does not sign manny (or tex)….at THIS point….the mets do not win the division and do not go to the WS. period. hear me now, believe me later.
nos, you have a lot of confidence in the Mets. I still think they are the team to beat in NL east, even without Manny or Tex. Will they go to WS? may be. But Phils are not improving whole lot this offseason, and Mets were real close last year. With KRod and Putz, they have a real good shot at NL East.
Nostra, I have always had a clue about Manny. I am just not going to say that it’s the end of the world if we don’t get him. Would he make the team better duh? Is there a chance we are getting him? Most likely not. So instead of committing suicide if they don’t I will look forward to what we DO get.
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yes…certainly before wolf or garland, imo
Id give Sheets a 2 year deal.
twofours44,
I think everyone in here would give sheets a 2 yead deal. Omar prob would too. But the problem is there are other teams competing for Sheets.
If it’s 2 year contract, I bet Brewers will push hard to get him. So would Braves and other teams.
OIeo, If we got Manny then I would not want to bring in ANY one to play 1B. Between Murphy and Evans we should be fine. It’s about consistancy and Manny is more consistant than Delgado thus he makes the lineup better. We don’t have to have killer offense at every position.
Pujols would be getting A-rod type money. Tex’s contract would be similar to Miguel Cabrera’s. I think that is fair.
Manny does not equal revenue… Citifield will be sold out for the life of Manny’s projected contract even if Keith Miller is back in the outfield.
Manny might mean revenue in terms of merchandise but I think the fans who would buy Manny’s merchandise would just buy someone else’s anyway. There will be 75s all over the stadium this year. And if there weren’t 75s there would be 40s. And there will always be 5s and 7s. Not enough Beltrans out there, though, because the guy is underappreciated.
Where did all of this speculation of Delgado being traded come from?
I know we all have our fantasy wish lists, but do we even know how much money we have left to spend? In addition, I’m curious what everyone REALISTICALLY sees happening, and how happy or unhappy would you be with that?
omar can buy manny for 2 yrs at 50M. its a no brainer. and if manny signs with the mets, you will see a lot more 99 jersies than 75.
Wanny, I agree. With or Without Manny, Citifield will be sold out next year. I really don’t see that much gain in revenue with Manny
I think the O’s are the dark Horse for Tex\.
\There is still a path to Manny under that scenario.
ANyone else’s comment section get really messed up?
Sure did. Yeah, let’s change the comments in the middle of a post, can’t be done before the day begins?
Nos,
Manny will not come to the Mets at 2/50. NO WAY Boras will allow that. And no options, since Boras hates options. He’ll demand 4/100 and maayybe 3/75
3 at 75 might be reasonable
Kistics, there is a good chance that nobody signs him for more than that. He might get 3/66 but nothing more.
Any rumblings regarding what Pedro might do? just curious
trs,
I agree, but at 2/50 everyone will jump in. Even the BoSox…. maybe not….
who cares about Manny. Go Get Teix. Not a headache in the Clubhouse.
Gold Glove 1st baseman. Move Delgado for a bag of rocks. I don’t care about him.
Delgado isn’t anything special at all compared to Manny or Tex.
I would much rather Teix then Manny. more complete player.
Would they? The Angels would not still. The Yankee’s I think have other areas of more importance and even the Dodgers said they would not go that high now.Maybe a team like Baltimore but knowing they can’t compete would they even do that?
While I would rather have Tex as well 8/200 is insane Mark.
Hey it looks like we can reply again, Yippie.
I don’t think it’s 8/200. I think it’ll be 10/200. Replies, yeah!
I don’t think so. That would not make much sense when he has a 8/185 offer on the table.
Looks like the old format, but i think its a different layout, looks a lil wierd.
ESPN this morning had the Red Sox number at 8 for 184. Which is 23 mil a year. That is also 20 million more total then the Angels offer and the largest offer on the table.
So why not give him 23 million for the next 8 years then 2 or 3 years of Manny. Then in 2 or 3 years your looking for another big bat, because your without Manny and Delgado.
Overall it’s away better idea to sign Teix then it is to sign Manny.
I think the Mets reasoning is that if you sign Manny to a 2 year deal then you have Fmart to take his spot.
If you sign Tex to 8 years then you have to trade Murphy and or Fmart.
I don’t see how signing Texeira forces the Mets to trade either of these guys who are pegged for the OF.
And even if there wasn’t room for them anymore, it would be ludicrous not to improve the major league team with a guaranteed all-star quality player because you didn;t want to have the problem of trading prospects.
what do you think about getting Prior or Mulder?
Why not. it is as cheap as Manny at 2 for 50.
He’s a better all around Player. Younger. Settles 1st base for the next 8 years. You know your getting a Great quality player. Good Defense.
Teix with Wright and Reyes is awesome. I’d much rather him at 25 mil a year then Manny.
kistics:
those are spring training invitee types with no promises, guarantees or expectations. i think they’re both probably finished anyway.
enough with these injury prone guys…ollie OR lowe then either marquis, penny, or redding to compete with niese for the 5th spot…case closed
Mark, its’ not about the money it’s the years. I know he is still young but 8/200 is just too much.
I would be willing to go 8/175 as that is Delgado and Wagner’s money but that’s it.
So your willing to Give Manny 2 years at 25 mil a season. Then you are to give a better, younger player who puts up similar number and plays gold glove 1st base for 2 mil a year less.
I know 8 years is a long time. But then you have Wright, Reyes, Beltran, Tex, Johan and Pelfrey for the next 5 years.
8 year contracts are scary things, but i’d much rather that then 2 or 3 years of the head-ache that manny would bring.
I guess we will just agree to disagree. IT’s too long for too much money. Manny at 2 years and he is not what we want can be traded after 1 year. Think Tex is going to get traded after a year if he does not prove he is worth 10/220?
I think the NY media would eat him up. Look at the hate for Beltran puting up solid numbers quitely.
9:33am: Jon Heyman says the Red Sox remain interested in Teixeira, but are sticking to their eight-year offer of $180MM or so.
9:05am: George King learned from Brian Cashman that it was not the Yankees who outbid the Red Sox for Teixeira (if they were indeed outbid). Chico Harlan says the Nationals are in a holding pattern until the Tex situation is resolved.
Mets are the team that outbid Boston.
Imagine???
haha…i wish i could imagine it…i bet it is the nationals and boston is saying ok then go sign with the nationals but tex really doesn’t want that
Its probably the Nats or the O’s. Why they would bid on him? i have no idea. Why Tex would go there? other than its where hes from, i have no idea.
LOL, It’s not happening. Once it got more than 6/120 the Mets were out of it.
Oh god I hope so.
TRS, Good point on Murphy and Martinez. But in reality unless they trade Church, signing Manny essentially blocks Martinez and Murphy from playing this season.
So i don’t think that is the rational. The thing i can think of is the Mets think Murphy can play great 1st and hit for the standard power a first baseman needs to.
Anyone else hear that Tex used to be a 3rd baseman… Get anyone thinking about our gold glover at 3rd and possibly moving him to 1st?
Mark, #5 isnt moving anywhere.
I am ignoring the 3B part.
However, as for the Murphy and Fmart part. Not the way I see it. I think Fmart is 2 years away. If not then you can trade Church. So Fmart would take Manny’s spot in 2011 at still a very young age.
Murphy or Evans would take Delgado’s spot in 2010 at the latest and possibly this season if Delgado is traded or goes into a Delgado funk.
If you sign Tex then one of them has to be traded in my opinion.
trs, ur talking bout Evans and Murphy. So what if they have to get traded? If they are as good as we think they are, then we’ll get some good returns, possibly in a position we would be weak in.
Wait, maybe Maddoff actually outbid everyone else, and is giving Tex as a gift.
What a pal.
LOL, great idea, maybe he told Freddie that he would pay Tex’s contract in return.
Maybe it is the one scenario where the Mets outbid for someone.
I saw the 200 million number, and immediately thought about the 300 million lost in the scandal.
Manning first base, for the Nationals next year, will be Mark Texiera.
Unfortunately, for them, manning the pitchers mound will be a bunch of guys that can’t pitch
When A-Rod was up for FA and Miguel Cabrera was on the trading block, everyone was crying that the Mets should sign A-Rod or trade for Miggy, knowing the contract that would be needed to sign those players. Yet, for Tex who isn’t overweight or asking A-Rod money, we don’t want to give him more than 8/175. Why?
Probably because it was A-Rod. Would you call Tex one of the 5 best players in the game?
He’s not asking for A-Rod money ($27.5M p/y). He’s asking for a little bit over Miggy money ($19M p/y). I just can’t imagine that teams are okay with 8 years but not 10. I don’t see the difference.
Casestreet i agree, the longer the time period makes 2 years not a difference at all. there is a big difference between 3 and 5 years. but not much between 8 and 10. there both a really long time.
I just think we are all really stretching it…I dont think Tex OR Manny are happening…Although in regards to tex, I havent heard anything about the yankees and their offer….I think they need him WAY more than they need manny…I believe the orioles are pretty much out of it…
I think the nationals are going to really try and get him, but god, if you’re him do you sign with a team that is going to stink for the foreseeable future?
Teixeira is not a superstar. He is a Beltran type player. Meaing good all around, but not AROD-Guerro-Esque at the plate.
A lot of Mets fans believe Beltran is over paid. I feel that if Teixeira came here they would feel the same about him.
There are not many Mega stars quality players in baseball. Frankly, Texeira is not one of them in my eyes. Again, he is very good, the Beltran of first base, but he is not a superstar.
As such, I do not think he is worth the money that is being discussed.
IMO, i think Tex is slight above Beltran, he has better offensive sumbers than Beltran, but yes your right. He is not on the level os a AROD, or Manny. But then again, niehter is anyone else in the league. You have Manny, and You have AROD. Then??
So because Beltran is not a superstar to fans or the media means he’s not worth the money? Forget about his performance on the field, we should go by the perception of fans and the media. If Beltran isn’t a superstar of CF, who is besides Sizemore?
Good point,
Beltran is the BEST CF in the game. and He gets paid accordingly.
this filter is killing me
Beltran is easily the best CFer in MLB right now (Sizemore fans can yelp all they want, he’ll have his day too) and is probably a bargain compared to some other outfielders right now.
I agree. There are good CFs, but Beltran is def the best.
Someone above said something like, “There is A-ROD, Manny, and what else?” Seriously? What about the guy who won the NL MVP. I would also argue that Ryan Howard is comparable to Tex. Adrian Gonzalez is just as good as Tex. Look at his numbers, and on THAT team.
He may be one of the better FAs available, but that hardly makes him an elite player.
I agree that Texeira is not worth these Arod type offers… however, Texiera and Howard are not comparable with the glove.
And if Howard did not play in the launching pad, his inability to make consistent contact would affect his numbers significantly.
I would agree that Gonzalez is just as good as Tex.
Just looked at Howard’s home/road splits… and I’M DEAD WRONG. Philly has not made an appreciable difference in his numbers for his career.
Tex isn’t asking for A-Rod Money, he’s asking for Miggy money.