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MightyJoeOrsulak at Mets Geek thinks the Mets should sell high on Daniel Murphy and targets several players, writing:
“Murphy is most valuable as a 3rd baseman, which the Mets do not need, and he is at a high point in his value. The Mets have no solutions at 2nd base in the system and Fernando coming up in Left Field. There is thus no room for both Murphy, Evans, and Martinez on this team.”
…i understand that eventually, murphy might not fit in defensively, but he fits right now and that’s what the mets need to focus on…
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…not a big fan of the music, but a nice gesture…
Speaking of holidays, Riding with Rickey celebrates Festivus a little early this year, and lists his top 16 grievances of 2008.
…ah festivus, it truly is the holiday for the rest of us…and it falls on my birthday which makes the 23rd that much more fun…
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trade a terrific young player and a fan favorite.
yeah, that sounds like the mets.
i do understand but there is no way they would trade murph
hes had 150 big league abats. for all we know he could end up being the next gregg jeffries. i like him, but, would trade him in the right deal. who cares if hes a fan fave?
he can be the next david wright….but playing second base
pretty sure the Mets have given up on him at second.
Do you want answers or do you want the truth?? Can you handle it??
Daniel Murphy is not nor will he ever become 2B.
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If the deal made sense for the Mets, of course you do it. Everyone is tradeable if the deal makes sense.
Lets see Martinez is in the minors and has accomplished nothing at the major league level. Murphy is clearly a better player than Evans. He has been at every level. Murphy has been a hitting machine at every level of baseball he has every played. So maybe it makes sense to keep a guy who could turn into a .perenially .300 plus hitter whi plays the game hard….who says he cant be a good 2nd basemen……..I recall at one time people said Jeff kent was a bad second basement……dude is on his way to the hall of fame…..
When they used to say that Jeff kent couldnt be a second basemen it had to do with his fielding. But he turned out to hit well enough to overshadow his poor defense. Hes not going to the hall for his glove, its because he mashed.
This IMO, is why Murphy makes the most sense at second, for one he can’t be much worse defensively than Castillo was anyway, and even if he is his bat is so much better than Castillo’s he would still be a better option. You can live with poor defense if you can get plus offense, but why are we determined to stick with a guy who’s going to give us crappy defense and basically a black hole in the line-up.
If Murphy is a .290 – 15 – 90 player with a .800 OPS then he can get by with below average defense.
I see those numbers more as his ceiling, not an average year.
Free-agent outfielder Juan Rivera is returning to the Los Angeles Angels on a $12.75 million, three-year contract, the team announced Friday.
There goes the season. j/k. Seriously though, $4M p/y is a great price for Rivera. Now we’ll overpay for Burrell or someone else, ugh!
BTW, my roster predictions had Rivera signing for $4M p/y, so I’ll go ahead and pat myself on the back (hey, if Matt can do it, why can’t I?)
Daniel Murphy =! Jeff Kent
for all we know he could end up being the next gregg jeffries
I’ll get roasted for this, but that wouldn’t actually be too bad.
But I know what you mean. I don’t think it’s unreasonable at all to considering trading Murphy, as his stock is pretty high right now, and it may be higher than what his true worth really is.
Jefferies could be a good comparison, and it would be a bad career if Murphy was a comparable player.
But if you could trade Murphy now as a potential everyday 3B and he ends up like Jefferies then it would be a mistake.
I’m guessing we will see one of Murphy or FM traded next winter. They are a little redundant, but I think the Mets want to see FM do something before trading what is perhaps the better of the two.
I would be curious to see what we could get for Murphy, so I wouldnt be against trading him.
I don’t think trading Murphy makes sense this offseason but if Murphy can have a good year, maybe he can be packaged for a 1B next offseason…
My friends and myself go all out for festivus every single year. Pole, greivances, feats of strength, everything
BREAKING NEWS:
JON HEYMAN SAYS THE METS ARE INTERESTED IN DEREK LOWE AND OLIVER PEREZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously, who pays this guy?
JON HEYMAN SAYS THE METS ARE INTERESTED IN DEREK LOWE AND OLIVER PEREZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And in other news, Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.
It would be a scoop if he is suggesting they are interested in signing BOTH players. Everyone else knows its one or the other…
we would all love murphy to play second, but the fact of the matter is they tried him there, and in that small sample size, saw that it just wasnt a good a fit..im sure the person in charge of player development knows more then me and u. id package murphy in a heartbeat for solid #2 pitcher..i loved the way he played just as much as the next guy, but be realistic and understand hes not guna put up the same #s he did last yr in those 40 games or so
focusing just on right now is why we have holes now.
There’s always going to be holes because you can’t rely on prospects to always pan out.
Fortunately for us, the Mets are not the Twins and are willing to use their resources to fill the holes as they come up rather than rely on underachieving prospects like Michael Cuddyer and others.
I’m not sure what it is you’re suggesting we do. Are you suggesting we sign Adam Dunn for LF without giving Murphy a chance first? Or should we trade Murphy and/or Martinez while their value is high out of fear that we won’t be able to trade them later or that they won’t reach their potential?
Further, everyone has holes right now. It’s not even 2009 yet. There will always be holes.
I’m not sure how they can go about replacing Delgado for 2010 while he’s still here in 2009.
By bringing in someone like Adam Dunn who can be moved to 1b.
Dunn is probably an upgrade over Murphy right now. But by doing that Murphy’s chance to play is all but eliminated. And I’m not sure that planning for the future is best served by benching Murphy or sending him back to the minors for another year.
Secondly, Dunn is a horrible outfielder who would be playing in a big outfield. I can live with that. But there’s no evidence that he can play a respectable first base.
In any event, if your solution for the future of 1B is to sign a free agent, then why not sign that free agent next winter when Delgado is gone? And if Delgado proves himself worthy of another season, you’ll probably get him in a shorter term deal that the defensively challenged Dunn (who doesn’t figure to age well).
The only first base free agents next year are Adam Laroche and Dunn.
And the problem with Murphy is that he’s not going to provide the offensive production a team needs from lf/1b, unless we plan on supplementing that offense somewhere else which we apparently don’t.
And I don’t just mean holes right now. I mean why we have stop gaps @ catcher, 2nd, and technically 1b, as well as long-term question marks about lf, and two holes in the rotation.
you cant fill your major league roster with All-Stars and then back them up with proven veterans waiting to replace them. Its impossible to have an heir apparent at every position.
That’s why teams have to rely on good scouting and good minor league acquistions. Martinez is the contingency plan for LF. Since we don’t have an upper level prospect at the catching position we’ll have to deal with that via trade or free agency when the time comes. It seems to me you’re advocating signing free agents to stockpile at each position. Where are you going to put them all in the meantime?
When did I say anything about all-stars, how about league average players? Or how about not ignoring simple cost efficient solutions, like Felipe Lopez/Adam Dunn/Juan Rivera.
And how do I sound like I’m talking about stock piling free agents? Where did stock piling come in?
Actually I think I may understand what you mean, when I’m talking about second/only being concerned with the here and now I mean the fact that rather than sending Murphy down to AAA to try and learn the position for s full year they’re going to leave him up here in a platoon.
Are we a better team this year because of that platoon? Probably, since they seem to have no interest in pursuing outfielders outside of Ibanez for some reason, but in the long run Murphy has way more value for this team at 2nd than he’ll have in lf, more than likely he’ll always be a light hitting left fielder with some defensive concerns, not to mention left field is usually much easier to fill just look at the fa options at left field for this season and next season vs the second base options,so we’re just hurting ourselves.
Then there’s the fact they have no interest in Dunn who could be moved to first base in the future and would actually produce Delgado’s middle of the line-up bat, something Murphy won’t be able to do.
That’s a bit clearer to me. If you’re advocating sending Murphy to learn to play 2B as a future long-term solution that is less arguable.
However, from what I’ve read scouts are pretty unanimous on the unlikelihood of that being a successful venture and the fact of the matter is, his bat can help the big team right now.
I can certainly see the reasonable argument of upgrading LF now and preparing Murphy for the future. But I don’t think there’s much of a chance for his future to be anywhere other than LF or 1B so he may as well learn it at the big league level.
If Murphy turns into a Brian Giles type hitter (that’s who he reminds me of most) he’ll be just fine in LF with his defensive limitations and all.
Brian Giles plays way way above average defensively, but regardless I would agree IF we were supplementing the power you usually get from a left fielder/first basemen, where ever he ends up, somewhere else.
The last few years we’ve survived with average/below average corner outfield production because we had Delgado’s power, and because Beltran had insane power seasons for some reason in 06 & 07 before returning back to his career norms. The first half of this season when Delgado was slugging like .455. You can carry Murphy’s bat in lf if you have a slugger like 2006/second half of this season Delgado, or in another corner spot, which we don’t in Church really, but they don’t seem to have any long-term plan to replace Delgado’s power either.
1B is not a hard position to fill. I don’t think it will be a problem to replace Delgado via free agency or trade. He may even come back.
There are not many players not already starting somewhere else that are capable of replacing a Carlos Delgado.
Again, I’m not sure what type of long-term plan you are proposing other than to sign Dunn and switch him next year. And all that does is create a hole in LF next year — cutting off nose to spite face. They would then need to replace Dunn with either Murphy, Martinez or another free agent. So what then would they have accomplished? What’s the difference between Murphy/Delgado this season and Murphy/Dunn next?
Delgado will be replacable next season. Dunn has not played first in years. Guerrero, Bay and Holliday are all free agents who can be signed next year to play left while Murphy plays first. Dunn is by no means perfect given his mobility, defense, attitude questions and likelihood of graceful aging. He’s only going to get slower and less athletic.
I would love to see Murphy at 1B after Delgado is gone. He can get more experience at 1B in minors or play some LF at times in 09.
he’s very patient at the plate. he’s not cocky and he seems like a hard nosed guy.
Delgado and Adam Laroche are the only first base free agents next year. And the front office doesn’t have Murphy as our long-term left fielder either apparently, they have F-mart, if they’re not interested in Manny or Dunn now why would they be interested in spending even bigger money on Bay and Holliday. I wouldn’t have an issue if that was their plan but they seem to have made it pretty obvious that it’s not and that they don’t plan on giving any long-term contracts to left fielders that would block F-mart, nor do they seem to be inclined to give out big contracts in general.
Not to mention why would sending Murphy to AAA where he could play every day and improve his defense at multiple positions be worse for his long-term success than having him in a platoon situation in the majors? Murphy is pretty much a finished product offensively, most of the progression he could be expected to make would be defensively and he’d be better off doing that in the minors were he would be able to play every day.
They just dont seem to be able to develop position players anymore.
Too many pitchers being drafted and held onto. Especially relief pitchers. Murphy and Evans are basically those league average players, in the Mets eyes anyway…
To be fair there are a bunch of 2B/SS’s in the system that have failed to progress well (Manny Garcia, Pellot, Lagares, Veloz, etc)
Catcher has been a major cluster F in recent years. They can’t even develop good backup catchers anymore like they had for 30 years.
Spin Murphy to the Twins in a deal for Delmon Young
adb7 I think Murphy is a better player but what are you talking about? Murphy was never better than Evans, really he wasn’t even close, and Evans is a year younger.
Keep Murphy! Kinda like the music in the holiday e-card, Matt. Will KRod ever take off that hard-hat? Then again, could come in handy during his primal screamin’ celebrations after closing out the opposition.
Keep Murphy, period. Keith Hernandez thinks that he’ll eventually bat third in the lineup. You gotta love a guy whose OBP is consistently around .400.
If Murphy can play 3rd, then why not have him at 1st in 2010? Frankly he looked adequate in LF last year. He wasn’t like Todd Hundley out there…Maybe FMart plays RF in 2010 and we trade Church…I’d prefer not having Murphy at 2nd…We’re not paying pitchers tons of money only to have a porous defense up the middle. That position requires another solution.
Murphy at 1B in 2010 is fine… in a vacuum
with no production coming from C and 2B, and presumed below average production in LF, you cant have Murphy being a below average 1B as well. He doesnt hit or defend well enough in that scenario.
The best thing about him is that they can play him at a few position and make other moves around him, or move him in a trade.
I see them letting F. Martinez be that below average player in LF, while eventually moving Murphy for pitching or an upgrade at catcher.
I think that with work, Murphy could become a perfectly adequate 2b. Mediocre range, handles the routine stuff. Kinda like Jeter. :)
They would be stupid to keep F-Mart and trade Murphy….murphy has actually proven to have hte plate discipline…patience,,,ability to hit opposite field HRs and ability to hit for BA that fmart has not shown…
btw Keith Hernandez DID say that he thinks Murphy will be our future 3-hitter over D-Wright…and i think a former major leaguer knows a lil bit more than everyone else posting on this site
I do respect the opinion of Keith Hernandez, but he’s not talking about defense. Murphy has no position, and it’s hard to say if he’ll have the bat for 1B.
Gina is on point with this. Delgado, Church and Murphy/Tatis are our corners and all 4 are questions. Schneider is decidedly mediocre and Castillo is a black hole at 2nd on offense and defense.
I ould prefer Murphy to play 2nd base, but if that’snot happening, and IF you can get a good deal for Murph that fills 2nd (Guillen or Beltre) AND restocks the farm you MUST do it. I love Murphy and wish him well, but if he don’t fit the team, he don’t fit. Then you sign Dunn, put him at first in 2010, and then:
Delgado/Murphy/Church/Castillo/Schneider becomes
Delgado/Dunn/Beltre/Church/Schneider in 2009 and
Murphy/F!Mart/Church/Castillo/Catcher becomes Dunn/F!Mart/Beltre/Church/Catcher(Thole?) in 2010.
These are serious upgrades.
the last player the mets need is a player like Dunn who bats .230…we already have enough low BA power hitters on our team ( Beltran and Delgado) We need a player that can hit for a high BA and get on base (Murphy)
This doesn’t even make any sense. For one how is Beltran a low average player? For two, why does it matter what his batting average is if he gets on base, and still hits for insane extra bases? What exactly is makes high BA/High OBP/Average slugging better than Low BA/Higher OBP/High Slugging?
Because some people only see BA and K’s. Unfortunately that seems to be the only thing the Mets see too.
why does it matter Gina…i agree that OBP is more important stat than BA…but BA still carries an importance. This is because when players go in cold streaks pitchers will be more likely to pound the strike zone…and a player that has the ability to hit for a higher BA will be able to grind out hits. Kinda how Beltran who is a career .275 hitter or so wont be able to get a big base hit when he slumps down the stretch..
first of all Beltre is a 3rd basemen…second of all Beltre is a WAY worse offensive player than Murphy will be…that would be a terrible trade…and Guillen is garbage as well
Beltre is a defensive master at 3rd who could play 2nd easily; and Beltre has offensive and defensive value, whereas Murphy only has offensive value. And part of the deal would be restocking the farm. And Beltre should be more valuable than Murphy in 2009 and beyond.
your forgetting how Beltre is an 18 million per year bust for the seattle mariners….while Murphy makes nothing. Lets trade for a player that makes a ton of money that hasnt lived nearly up to his contract..
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