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Ken Rosenthal of FoxSports.com believes the Mets are attempting to sign free-agent RHP Tim Redding, who is also drawing interest from the Orioles, Rangers and Rockies.
Yesterday, in the Daily News, Peter Botte quoted Redding’s agent as saying, “The Mets are very much in the mix for Tim, he’s a Northeast guy and loves the city.”
According to Rosenthal, “The Mets are trying to sign a more prominent free-agent starter such as righty Derek Lowe or lefty Oliver Perez, but Redding could fit in the back of their rotation.”
In 33 starts, Redding was 10-11 with a 4.95 ERA through 182 innings for the Nationals last season. However, he was 3-1 with a 3.41 ERA in five starts against the Phillies last season.
He underwent surgery on his left foot in November, but will reportedly be 100 percent by spring training.
I would love signing him for the fifth spot.
Frankly, Niese showed me nothing toward being prepared for the fifth spot in the rotation.
Exactly – His numbers don’t blow you away, and you don’t want him starting games in the playoffs for you….but that isn’t his job. It would be GREAT to slot this guy in the #5 spot and watch him do what he does every 5th day. If Neise proves he is ready in spring training and forces his way into the 5th spot, so be it – if not, he is ready if anyone gets hurt. This would be a very good signing.
i’m not saying i don’t agree w/ Redding for the 5th spot, but Niese showed you NOTHING towards being ready for the 5th spot? Really? NOTHING?
His 2nd big league start, in a big spot, he pitched 8 shutout against a division rival who gave us fits this year…
yea man, what a loser, he is terrible…
give him the fact that he is still young….
Pitching 3 innings, 8 shutout, 3 innings does not show that much promise to me, YET>
If we are counting on him at all in this year’s rotation we are in trouble.
I think niese has earned the right to at least try out for the 5th spot, if he does well during spring, let him have it…i wouldn’t say he’s done *nothing*
So every pitcher who comes up their rookie year and throws 4 innings in 3 starts has earned a right to compete for a spot?
14 innings, sorry.
So you would rather give the 5 spot to a guy who himself doesn’t even belong in the majors instead of giving an up and coming rookie a chance to compete?
Redding is no more than a Jose Lima, Tony Armas, Aaron Sele, Alay Soler or a Geremi Gonzalez.
Let the young guys compete. Thats the problem with NY fans, they have absolutely NO patience.
Coco and butter and super raisin chip, Tim Redding is one of the top ten weakest boys in the world. If Tim Redding got into a fight with a flea, that boom boom flea would definitely win. If Tim Redding looking into a picture, he is weak. Coco and butter and super raisin chip, Tim Redding is one of the top ten weakest boys in the woooorrrllldddd.
Local boy from suburban Rochester NY. I would love to see this and have the Mets FINALLY get some attention by cranky sports editor Bob Matthews in our local paper. I think Reddings #’s will improve on a better team.
I also like Redding as a #5 and if memory serves he was actually a pretty decent pitcher for the first half last year and in 2007. Maybe the foot injury slowed him down a bit last year.
Well there is some good news to him. He at least had 1 GAME of 8 innings. Something 5 inning Ollie did not do last year.
I would still rather pay the extra and get Garland. This guys numbers are ok and if he is 3 million or so that’s fine. But if it’s 5 then again there are better options.
I’d rather have Ollie than Garland. Garland would get killed by the Phils. Atleast Ollie proved he can beat them.
To be honest I want Lowe and Redding but if not Lowe then definitely Ollie.
thereal: i agree with u but i dont think omar and the mets see it that way. garland is a contact pitcher, and from the looks of it omar is looking for more strike outs
i like the idea of redding rounding out the rotation, but does that mean we would be more inclined to sign perez since santana is the only lefty in the rotation?
i look at it this way. Garland and Redding are both mediocre. they are both very similar, so why overpay for mediocrity? Garland just has the name cashe (if thats how you spell it) that Redding doesn’t have, but if you look at the #’s, Redding was (slightly) better than Garland last year! though Redding’s ERA was .05 higher, he still had more k’s, a muuuch lower BAA (.275 to .303!!) and his WHIP was much lower as well (1.43 to 1.51). if we’re signing garbage, i’d rather go with the cheaper garbage.
(just to clarify, i like Redding in the #5 spot, but if he is thought to be instead of Lowe or Ollie, mets are making a HUGE mistake).
As long as we get Lowe, I think I will be too relieved and too happy care too much about who gets the 5th spot. Well, that’s not true. I’d prefer a lefty. I personally would like to see the Mets be willing to spend a bit more to still go after Wolf even if we do get Lowe. Perhaps if we get Lowe at a good price, say 13.5 mi, 14 mil, then Omar can spend a bit more on that 5th spot and go for Wolf. There’s no way he’s gonna get 10 mil for 3 years anyway. Redding has done pretty well against the Phillies the past 3 years, but has gotten knocked around hard against the rest of the NL East.
It’s the innings that bother me. 182 in 33 starts. I would like someone who could average 6 innings Difference is 20 innings. That’s a big deal.
This blows – he stinks.
Why? He put up 10 wins on a 59 win team last season. He gives you 182 innings.
What else can you ask for?
last year was the first time he threw any significant innings in five years.
He was only starting because it was the Nationals.
HE should not be a player on a NYC championship team.
Says something that we are competing against the Orioles, Rangers and Rockies for his services
198 innings?
remember Glendon Rusch on the 2000 Mets WS team? put up similar numbers as the #5 starter and didn’t pitch many big league innings before that (and wasn’t considered a top prospect by anyone). that’s all you need from a #5…consistency. if i recall, that mets team won something like 95 games with Rusch in the rotation that year. i’ll take that.
I agree, this guy does stink. He’ll be 31 in two months and its the first time he’s thrown any significant innings in his career. And he won 10 games last year!! Big deal.
Let Parnell or Neise fill the 5 spot and learn. Just like Pelfrey 2 seasons ago.
If anything, sign him as the long reliever/spot starter and let him compete with Stokes.
“And he won 10 games last year!! Big deal.”
No offense, but you can’t be serious…..Not only judging a pitcher by his W/L total, but judging a pitcher on the Nationals by his W/L total….come on now….
Redding was solid in the first half last season and declined greatly in the second half. Was it due to dead arm? Possibly – he was horrendous after the all-star break and his June numbers actually don’t look as bad individually as they do in aggregate.
All in all, he’s a below average pitcher who hasn’t really shown any durability. If he performs like he did in ‘07 most people will be happy….but he started pitching in July in ‘07, so that probably won’t happen.
Hopefully the Mets are banking on Niese to take his spot after 10-15 starts…that would actually make sense.
Not when they are rumored to be signing him to a 2 year deal.
I was making a point that people are happy that he won 10 games last season.
and pelf got rocked and we wanted him out and he had zero confidence.Also he was not ready neither is neise or parnell to start, if you get a guy to fill in for 1 year it will be great. If we get Lowe and Redding our rotation will be fine. (At least we know what we are getting out of Redding)
No we don’t know what we are getting out of Redding. Last year was his first innings year in a long time. Also his 2nd half ERA was over 8.00. We have NO idea what he will be.
I was ok with it until I looked at his stats and that he wanted 2 years.
and what is that? a guy how lets hitters hit .281 against him as a starter?
Wolf or Garland as #5
If we’re already settling for Redding, you can bet we aren’t getting Lowe or Perez, but settling for Wolf or Garland…
why?
“It may take a two-year deal to land Redding, and recent rumors have made it appear as though only the Mets are willing to go that far.”
Come on, seriously? 2 years for Redding? So that’s most likely 2/10. Why not spend the extra money and get a guy like Wolf or Garland?
Or at least get Marquis who has a history of throwing a lot of average innings. He would be cheap as I am sure the Cubs would eat a lot of salary.
Marquis would be the smartest way to go. He’s only under contract for a year and is a solid innings guy. He can win you 10 plus games and like the real said he won’t cost you alot. Wolf and garland are to pricey and they both would want more than 1 year deals. I don’t really think either one is that much better than marquis.
How could it not be a great thing to have the nephew of Trixie on the Mets? This will get done. Remember the Kramden’s and Norton’s lived in Brooklyn and we all know that will weigh heavily in Fred’s eyes.
Go get him. Then sign Sheets or Lowe. I dont like Perez, he is very inconsist. I was at the second home game of the year last year when we opened up at shea against the Filthadelphia Phils and he walked 8 batters in a row and 10 out of 13. BTW My name dosent have anything to do with redding just coincidence I live in His hometown
Did you guys not read my post. He is rumored to be getting a 2 year deal from us. Seriously? 2 years?
good point on the 2 years…and better point on garland, which is fine by me…I would happily have him take the 5 spot, and have niese/parnell waiting in the wings, improving their stuff, etc…if, hypothetically, we had johan, lowe, pelf, maine, garland, i would be more than ok with that.
this guy might happen for the 5th spot…I dont see a Wolf happening for that…its gonna be either this guy, MAYBE garland, or maybe marquis….(they will then compete with niese, who i think for the time being should be the backup, or #6…not sure if hes ready yet…he needs to perfect a pitch other than his curve) and I really think we’re gonna get lowe for the #2, I do NOT think ollie is going to happen..
If Garland comes in he is competing with nobody. The guy is a solid proven pitcher.
Garland has thrown at least 190 innings for 7 straight years and has a complete game streak of 5 years.
ok the Mets are interested in someone so that automatically means he’s on the team now.
Omar wants Niese to be the #5 starter but he’ll have other guys there in case he doesnt win the job.
as long as its 1 year and a small amount of money, then we can do worse then Tim Redding.,,
“It may take a two-year deal to land Redding, and recent rumors have made it appear as though only the Mets are willing to go that far.”
And if Omar WANTS Niese to be the starter this year he better be getting Lowe and upgrading the offense.
Redding would be a great addition to the back of the rotation. Aside from being a (young) consistent inning eater, he’s a great clubhouse guy.
CONSISTENT INNINGS EATER? What?
Club house guy? Then why didn’t the Nationals resign him instead of Daniel Cabrerra?
Looks to me like they are making salary money to sign Tex…
So how much are we going to have to pay Redding then? They signed Cabrerra for 2.6 million. How much money are they saving? It better not be much if we are interested in this guy for 2 friggin years.
Innings pitched the last 8 years
55
73
176
100
1
29
84
182
He’s the model of an consistant innings eater. LOL.
LoL! Why don’t you post the rest of his picture and then compare it to Wolf and the others they are looking at…
What is the rest of his picture? You said a young innings eater. He is not young nor an innings eater.
Jason Marquis would be tremendously better.
young? He will be 31 before July 4th.
I would rather see them get Wolf instead of Redding. With the Phillies lefty heavy hitting lineup I think the Mets would benefit from have a lefty face those guys then a righty.
Niese is going to be very good, but we dont know where he stands with his development and stuff…Hopefully he is rounding out his pitches…unfortunately, nobody is going to know the answer to this until spring training, so you have to bring someone like this in…but I agree that 1 year should be it, 2 is not really necessary…A Garland, on the other hand, that would make me even more comfortable…
the thing is Garland is not going to take less money and years to come to Mets and be the #4/5 starter.
He made $1M last year. Give him a 50% raise, 2 yrs at $3M. That is less than any other person out of Group B will ask for. That leaves more money for Lowe. Redding also had good #’s against the Phillies. Let him duke it out with Niese and Parnell.
Remember, due to off days in April, you hardly use your 5th starter. Let Niese pitch in Buffalo and get some work in. When they feel Niese is ready, they bring him up. If Redding is going good, Niese becomes long man out of the pen (why not, most other teams start their young pitchers that way). If Redding is disappointing, you let Niese start and have Redding be the long man.
Either way, we would have 6 starters on the 25 man roster, and when one of the main 4 needs to miss a start or goes on the 15 day DL, the replacement is already there and we don’t have to deal with the “Anxiety Shuttle” that we’ve encountered over the last couple of years.
if Niese is not the #5 starter, he will be starting in AAA not as the long man here
I agree that Niese would be in Buffalo, but I feel that after a couple of months, they should bring him up. A couple of factors for that. One is that crazy thing about not adding too many innings on to a young pitcher from the year before. So, in the case that we do need Niese for the second half of the year, maybe he will not hit the wall like Maine does and Pelf seemed to do last year. Next point, we still don’t have a 2nd lefty out of the pen yet (unless one of the Rule V guys are) and we are going to need that. Third, Niese has had a cup of coffee and being on the big league club will help his maturity level in the locker room.
Yeah I must have missed something about Redding. Before a season and a half ago, I last remember Redding getting one shot to pitch for the Yanks and getting killed.
The only reason to sign him is that he can hopefully throw 170+ innings and that he is as cheap as you can possibly find a guy out there. His stats are not that good. He is not that good.
By the way, I am not saying that the Mets should sign him to be their fifth guy, but why is there nothing on Brad Penny. I would have to think that a hurt Penny is better than a healthy Redding. I guess it is price tags.
I just don’t want to watch these fairly risky but high reward guys have big bounce back years, such as Penny, Chad Cordero, and Ben Sheets. As a big market team, Omar should be eating these guys up.
I’d actually give Chad Cordero a chance. A) He won’t cost very much (if he does, then forget it), as he tries to show he can still pitch his way back from injury. B) If he doesn’t work out, no harm, no foul, as he would be just another reliever, as opposed to a starter that we are counting on.
YM, redding as a 6th stqrter type doesn’t bother me. Its locking him in to the rotation that does.
Lets say they sign Lowe, and IMO the 1-4 is licked up and solid.
If Redding come cheap enough (ideally 1 year) what the heck, go for it. But, also try for someone like COlon or Garcia (whichever one seems healthiest).
Frankly, Garcia or colon could be a much better option than someone like Redding. At least they have the chance to be good, and unlike Marquis or Garland, Redding does not have the track record of consistant mediocrity to be an “innings eater”
Besides, how many innings do you eat when you get knowck out after 3?
I just hope we do not bring back ollie…i do not want him back….his inconsistency outweighs his highs in my opinion…Get Lowe, hopefully, someone like this guy, garland, or a trade for marquis for #5 (not sure what he would cost us) then you probably still have to add one more arm to the pen, THEN utility infielder, THEN, maybe take a look at LF, which they keep saying they aren’t doing….
which would u rather have
1:
johan
pelf
ollie
garland
maine
2:
johan
lowe
pelf
maine
redding/niese
well obviously option 1, but thats not realistic
yeah i dont know how realistic an ollie AND a garland is…#2 is the more likely to happen, and I would be ok with it.
Why in the name of great ceasar’s ghost does this guy with an ERA approaching 5.0 warrant a two year investment?
He has never shown any ability to perform on any stage. Someone had to win the games for DC. This guy was 10 -11 ..
come on Omar.. is this the best the NEW YORK Mets can do? The Nats dont even want him back.
where does it say anythingh about the Mets giving him 2 years. He said Redding wants 2 years.
Omar is not going to give him 2…
mlb trade rumors dot com
“It may take a two-year deal to land Redding, and recent rumors have made it appear as though only the Mets are willing to go that far.”
Omar is not giving Tim Redding a 2 year deal. You can take that to the bank…
Then he will have to over pay for a 1 year deal.
The Nats are not going to cut this guy and give 2.6 to Daniel Cabrerra if they thought Redding was going to be that cheap.
Another thing to consider is that if we are the only ones offering two years, Omar will probably negotiate down to one year and an option.
i dont even see why Omar would give an option. Unless Niese has a major step back, our rotation next season would be
Santana, Lowe/Perez, Pelfrey, Maine, Niese
Redding is nothing more of a stop-gap until Niese is ready…
Still you can’t yet argue with reports that it will take 2 years and Omar is the only one willing to.
This is a JOKE!.
Cibs have: Zambrano, Demptster, Harden, Lilly and Marquis…now that’s a rotation!
Yankees have CC, Wang, Burnett, Jaba and are looking for MORE.
We are looking at a 10-11 pitcher (who by the way pitched in the LARGEST ballpark in the NL) and had an almost 5 era and some of you are buying this!
OUTRAGE.
This is Jeff “Coupons” way of saving money.
If the Mets don’t get 2 of these:
Lowe/Garland/Wold/Perez they will have a pedestrian, unproven starting rotation with no depth.
Look at what happened the past 3 years for reference. In the end, we we throwing the Humbers, Lawrences, Niese’s at teams during a playoff push and we paid dearly for it.
The Mets MUST sign 2 STARTERS….if after doing that we can get Redding, great.
But mark my words…Nies is NOT ready and will be hammered…won’t go long into the season (lucky to get 100 innings let alone be a 5 starter).
Maine is coming off surgery and will need to “rehab” back into June.
Pelfrey is a stud, but he is a 4, not a 1,2,3.
I definately agree that the Mets should sign 2 quality starters but you can’t give out bad contracts.
Suppose the Mets sign Wolf to a 3 year deal. Its very possible that he can get hurt and/or pitch awful.
If i’m the Mets I sign Sheets/Lowe to a 3 year deal and sign Garland to a 1-2 year deal.
Santana, Lowe, Garland, Pelfrey, Maine is a great rotation and if it doesnt rush Niese into a spot.
Go with Garland and Wolf. No picks given up and tons of innings from Garland and potential from Wolf.
3/30 for Garland and 2/18 for Wolf. That’s 18 million a year and some want us to pay Lowe 17 million a year.
9 million for Wolf????
besides the 1/3 of the season he spent in Houston this year, he has been a mediocre, injury prone LHP
Got a better idea for a LH on a short deal that CAN pitch 200 innings?
I would vote for Randy Johnson or Odalis Perez on a 1 year deal but I have not heard any interest there.
Still even then I would much rather have Garland Wolf than Lowe Redding.
Pelfrey’s a 4? I think not. The guy should be a solid #2 for a long timeto come. It may not happen fully this year, if last year’s innings catch up to him, but if he’s not tired or hurting, he will give you #2 type quality. The bottom line is, with Big Pelf, when he’s starting, I feel very good about the Mets’ chance of winning. That’s the mark of a 1or a 2, not a 4.
Garland and Wolf? That would be a mistake. I would love to have Lowe and Wolf, but I am not sure if Omar will go for that. He should try though, since there’s little chance of Wolf getting the 9-10 mil he wants. What has he done to earn that much? If his price comes down to around 7 mil, the Mets should absolutely jump on him. Lowe and Wolf would give us a really nice rotation, especially given we would have 2 lefties on top of it. Odalis Perez would be fine, too, if he was available.
So,if we did somehow get both Lowe AND Wolf, just entertaining the possibility, that was give us a rotation of:
Santana (L)
Lowe (R)
Pelfrey (R)
Maine (R)
Wolf (L)
Now that’s a strong rotation, with balance as well, with 2 lefties, which is very important against the Phillies. Balance is just important no matter what, be it in a lineup or a rotation or the pen. Getting Lowe would give us 4 starters that make me feel like we have a good to great chance to win, and a 5th starter that I feel gives us an even chance with our lineup. I am not sure what Wolf did while in Houston, but he pitched well with them.
When Santana starts, I expect us to win. When Lowe starts, I expect us to be kept in the game and given a strong chance to win. When Big Pelf starts, I feel very comfortable, unless he’s been struggling his previous few starts. But when he’s rolling, I feel like he will win each start, while going deep into the game. When Maine starts, same thing, it depends on how he’s been doing, but I still feel like we will likely win. Keep in mind, not only did he win 15 games in ‘07, but he had an impressive spring training last year, where one scout, at the end of that ST, when asked who he like, said that he thought John Maine was the best pitcher he saw, and should be primed for a big season. And John Maine did start off very well last year. If you recall, after a bad first start, he had 7 straight starts of 2 runs or less. So, not only did he have a strong ST, but he continued it into the first six weeks of the season. I suspect his shoulder problems robbed him from around then on, unfortunately. But if healthy, and if he can figure out a way to get people out when they seem to be fouling off his 4-seamer, like throwing more breaking pitches perhaps, then I would feel very comfortable, when Maine starts, with the Mets chances of winning the game. With this 4some, I can’t help but feel like the Mets will rattle off a bunch of winning streaks, and that losing streaks will be very rare. And with a good bullpen, and all the excitement and energy and positive feelings and confidence, I could definitely see the Mets having a fantastic year. IMO, it starts with signing Lowe.
redding is not the answer. signing redding would just be a sign of the mets frugality.
If it’s 1 year 3 million then I am fine with it. 2/8 like rumored, LOL.
I would love to have Sheets, but you know the Wilpons’ have anxiety attacks over people with a history of injuries. I just don’t see Omar having the go ahead to pursue Sheets.
I thought Ollie had a great future for us, but he is just too inconsistent, which is why I feel they need to get Lowe. Many people have mentioned that Ollie may have a better upside, but Lowe will be consistent, and that will make things easier for Manuel when planning ahead for the BP.
This is Lowe’s last contract and I am sure he wants to go out a winner. For those of you who want to change the locker room a little, Lowe will also be able to help the younger pitchers prepare.
Exactly, especially with Pelfrey. Both Big Pelf and Lowe are sinkerballers. Lowe would be a nice mentor for Pelfrey.
Don’t let it fool you. Omar wants Derek Lowe. He did this with K-Rod. He made it seem like he was just as willing to sign Fuentes or trade for Street, or go for a number of other options that would have, let’s face it, not been well received. Even if we got Fuentes, it would have felt like a failure. But by continually leaking it out there that he was willing to go after any one of these guys, depending on who would sign/ be traded for the right price, he not only worried Mets fans that he would actually settle instead of going full steam after K-Rod, but he clearly made K-Rod and his agent nervous too. Plus, it didn’t hurt our cause that the media participated in this by writing articles and doing TV pieces on the state of the closers market, and that if K-Rod doesn’t take what the Mets are offering, they could move on and he could be stuck with a much lesser deal. I think that worried him. And it worked. We got him at a deal that surprised most of us.
The same seems to be the case with Lowe. It’s not that there aren’t plenty of teams that could use a strong starter, which is different than the closer market, but instead, it’s a matter of Lowe’s price vs. the teams who will be willing to pay for those services. If the Sox get Tex, and the Yanks resign Pettitte and even bring in Manny (all things I am hoping for, just as I hoped the Yanks would sign CC and AJ), then I don’t see any other teams that would A) compete with the Mets financially, and B) give Lowe what he wants in terms of East Coast location, spring training in Fl., and a competitive team. I still do worry, however, that either the Sox or the Yank might still try to bid for Lowe, and I’ve heard nothing whatsoever from the Lowe camp about whether he wants to play for the Mets, or what his feelings about it are, which of course makes me nervous. It’s just the not knowing that I don’t like; there are too many scenarios that just pop into my head. I have read, however, that the Sox, while they would certainly like to have Lowe back, have an interest that is only so strong, especially at 15 mil or so a year.
But both teams have something that scares me. The Sox, of course, have history and nostalgia and success with Lowe. And the Yanks, well, they have money to burn still. If they decide they want to put Joba in the pen, setting up Mo, they may be willing to go after Lowe. However, from what I’ve read, I don’t think they want to sign a long term type deal, and I can see the Mets throwing in a 4th year if that’s what it takes. It would certainly help any doubts that I have if I knew how badly Omar and his people want Lowe, how big the gap is between Lowe and Ollie in their estimation (IMO, it’s a big difference, Lowe or bust). I wish I knew where the Mets’ ceiling for Lowe was. Are they willing to go as high as 16 mil if necessary to outbid the Sox who know they already have a very strong rotation, and that Lowe would be a luxury? Will they go to a 4th year if that’s what it takes to trump the Yanks’ offer? If we lose Lowe because he specifically preferred another destinaton, that’s one thing; I’d be very disappointed, but Omar can’t force him to sign with us. However, if Omar lets himself be outbid, that would just be extremely disappointing. The Mets need a strong starter much more than the Yanks or Sox. Again, to them, he’s a luxury. To the Mets, he’s a necessity. And there’s no guarantee we could even get Ollie if we didn’t get Lowe. It has to be Lowe, and only Lowe, for Omar, for too many reasons. The Mets are still a big budget team. And next year, Wagner will be coming off the books. If spending a bit more means this year’s budget is a little bit higher than they liked, so be it. We might only have Putz for one year (although I hope that’s not the case), Delgado will most likely be gone (unless he has another big year), Beltran and Santana will be another year older, and so on. And after the past few years worth of grave disappointments, plus the energy, excitement, and forward momentum generated by moving into CitiField, Omar has to do everything he can do put the best team possible on the field in 2009. I am not sure how tightly Omar’s keeping to that budget, but that also could have been a strategic ploy all along. They might be willing to spend a bit more than last year if it’s for the right reasons. Lowe is such a reason. I also think Omar traded Show for money, rather than getting Jason Marquis, in order to use the 2 mil. he saved in case he has to go a little higher than he would have otherwise. Hec, for all I know, Omar might wind up surprising us with a few other signings he makes. Sometime after signing Lowe, if he does, we may find out, out of the blue, that Omar has signed Juan Cruz for the pen at a great price, or that he still went after Wolf and was successful. Beimel could be the Mets’ next lefty reliever. And so on.
But no matter what, Omar has to treat Lowe as a necessity. He has to do whatever he can. There is too much uncertainty with the Mets’ rotation for next year, given Maine’s surgery and Pelfrey’s inexperience, plus he’s coming off his first full season, and sometimes that spells trouble for young starters (although I don’t think that will be the case for Big Pelf; he seems like he will be a horse). And Ollie is way too erratic, something this team cannot afford to put up with, and yet, Ollie would be a godsend compared to every other starter that could be had via FA or trade. Therefore, it just has to be Lowe, who is as solid as they come, who could help Santana anchor this rotation as our #2 pitcher, who would keep the Mets in almost every one of his starts, potentially winning 17 games with a higher ocatane offense than the Dodgers, who would come through for the Mets when they need him the most (an 0.59 ERA in the final month last year- compare that to Ollie’s 5.79 ERA), who has pitched well against the Phillies (6 starts: 3.03 ERA and 1.12 WHIP the past 3 years, including this year’s playoffs), as well as pitching great against the rest of the NL East (except for the Mets who he’s struggled a bit against), yet, unlike Ollie, he would also pitch well against all the other teams, and if we got to the playoffs, which I would expect if he signed, and we had no major injuries, he would give us a very strong playoff rotation that would worry other teams: Santana, Lowe, Pelfrey, and Maine if needed- not bad at all. Lowe is one of the games better pitchers when it comes to playoff time. In fact, he’s had his worst game against the Mets, in 2006. Other than that, he’s very, very good, coming up huge for the Sox in ‘04, keeping them alive in Game 4, when they were down 0-3 against the Yanks, and then pitching them into the WS by winning Game 7, and followed that up by shutting out the Cardinals for 7 innings in the clinching game of the WS, as the Sox won it all for the first time in forever. Think of allthe pressure, and yet he threw 3 gems, coming up HUGE for the Sox. And he pitched well in this year’s playoffs aswell, with a 3.31 ERA in 3 starts, showing that ‘04 wasn’t a fluke, and that he can still bring it- adding to his value. Can we count on Ollie for any of this? I don’t think so. So isn’t that worth a little more money if it comes down to it? I think so.
I think all this talk of other pitchers is just part of Omar’s own posturing. However, this is Boras. He don’t make it easy. We shall see.
All good points. I agree, it needs to be Lowe. You know Omar will sign 3 or 4 guys off of the scrap heap, too, looking for this year’s hidden gem.
did u actually read the whole thing?
longest post ever
Yes, I did read the whole thing, and as far about the longest post ever, does it matter on a day like today? Do you really want to go outside right now?
And, for the sake of a laugh, I have an official Metsblog library card, so I can read any “book” I want…
i really dont get this move..why sign a guy that basically stinks and has absolutly no experience pitching in a big game but you wont sign a guy like jon garland who has won 18 games before and had 14 last year and also pitched big games for the sox in the 05 playoffs
I would much rather have Garland as well. Go ahead and sign Garland and then if Lowe’s market comes down then get both. If not then get a fil in for Niese on a short term deal.
Maybe it’s just posturing, and I am not against signing Garland for the 5 spot, but I think he will cost too much…but my concern is, with all of the accomplishments listed about Garland, why hasn’t someone already jumped on him. Teams like Atlanta or St. Louis are famous for coming out of nowhere to make a signing like this.
please explain how John Garland is a #5 pitcher on this team and why he would take less money and years to pitch for the Mets.
He is not a #5 on this team. Right now he is a 3/4 depending on if or whoelse we sign.
He is still not going to get more than 3/30 regardless so that’s a good investment for #4 or #5.
3 for 30 i would do only if Lowe is no longer an option.
Lowe at 3 for 45 IMO is worth the extra 5 mil a year.
Right now it’s Lowe 3/50. That’s too much. Lowe’s stats are much better than Garland but I am not sure they are 7 million better. Again I would rather have Garland at 10 million and use that 7 million to get a guy better than Redding.
1) you or I have no idea what is asking price is now
2) that price is only going down
3) Lowe is not signing anytime soon
for K-Rod, Omar went from 5-75 to 3-37. I see no reason why Omar cant get Lowe at 3-45 especially if/when Boston signs Teixiera, and the Yankees sign Pettitte
Waiting on Lowe.
I did put #5, which was in error because oleo is correct, he would be a 3 or 4, but we still need Lowe.
Signing both and we could drop Maine and Pelf down a spot. No matter what order Manuel would put them in, Johan, Lowe, Garland, Pelfrey and Maine would be nice.
We don’t HAVE to overpay for Lowe. Garland and another Quality pitcher would be good enough.
depends on what your idea of overpaying is.
IMO Lowe is worth the extra 5 mil a year over Garland.
Personally i think the Mets should sign Lowe and Garland and let Niese pitch in AAA until the eventual Maine injury
I can’t reply to your post Oleo but I would love for them to sign both. However, that’s not going to happen. I would not pay 7 million more for Lowe than Garland considering years and age.
but if the Mets are not going to improve the batting order then why not spend the extra 5-7 million on Lowe.
id rather overpay for Lowe than not spend the money at all
I guess I am still holding out hope that they improve the offense AFTER SP is addressed.
No, they wouldn’t be enough. First, there aren’t any high quality pitchers out there besides Lowe. Plus, Lowe not only keeps you in every game, and is a clutch pitcher when it counts most, but he’s a veteran stabilizing force. What other pitcher out there on the market can give you that? IMO, there’s a big difference between Lowe and Garland or anyone else.
I dont understand why everyone is so hard up over signing either a 36 year old or beat up broken down pitchers?
Doesnt everyone remember what happened with Perdo? Glavine?
let me guess you want Ollie because of this made up idea that he’s a big game pitcher.
Not at all. I want the Mets to develop their young starters and to sign an innings eater like Garland. Garland is only 29 and has proven that he can win in big games.
Then I also would like for them to sing maybe Wolf for the fact that lefties hit only .232 against him in his career. Thats big considering that the Phill’s have a lefty loaded lineup.
Signing Lowe I think would be a mistake. He’s still a good pitcher but to sign a 36 year old to a long term contract I think is foolish.
I can understand it if they need to fill a spot in order to get to the World Series, i.e. Jack Morris or Dave Stewart, but they need too fill 2 holes long term.
I would also consider trading one of the two young pitchers along with Murphy or Evans for a sold #2 starter.
Beckfan, Pedro was already an injury risk coming in. And with Glavine, he wasn’t that bad for us, and he made his starts. Plus, the Mets had him for 5 years. Who’s to say the Mets don’t sign Lowe for 3 years and an option year?
Do you think with all of the teams out there going after Lowe and his services that he is going to settle on 3 and an option?
I’d rather sign Redding than garland or wolf for a couple reasons. First Redding is going to come MUCH cheaper, no comparison. He is a stop gap 5th starter. We have Niese, if we sign lowe/ollie AND garland, then Niese won’t get a chance and we’ll have mediocraty for 3 years in garland (steve trachsel anyone?). But If Niese steps up in AAA the first part of the season, we can make Redding the long reliever and slot Niese in the rotation (and that’s IF redding wasn’t pitching well).
but it all comes down to signing lowe or ollie for that #2/3 spot
Oliver Perez is not on the same level as Derek Lowe.
The only thing Ollie has going for him is that he’s LH and he pitches a great game once a month.
other than that he’s no better than Randy Wolf
Redding for 2 years or Garland for 3. Not much difference other than cost. If Niese is ready then you can trade Garland or Maine.
other than cost? but that’s a big difference…maybe 20 million? and your not getting anything special in Garland.
Lowe wants about 30 million more in contract than Garland and at least 20 million. Thats a lot.
But Lowe is a #2 starter, garland is an expensive #5. He had 90 k’s last year in over 190 innings and 237 hits
Lowe is not a #2 and Garland is not a #5. We are talking about a good #3 and an average #4.
I beg to differe. Lowe is a #2.
Agreed Mags, I’d say Lowe is a #2 or at worst a high #3 and Garland is a low end 4 high 3.
The latest from MLBtreaderumors.com Brian Feuntes likley to receive 15-18mill/3years. Omar strike now!!!!
For that kind of money the Mets WILL have the nastiest bullpen on the face of the earth.
Sign him and trade Putz for an OF. LOL. Nah
But anyway I am guessing Fuentes would take a 1 year deal and try it again next year.
wishful thinking, but I really dont see that one happening, come on….we went into the meetings thinking we were getting one out of three (krod, jj, fuentes) we got the 2 best of them, do we really think we’re getting the 3rd???
Sure, why not? :) Actually, I was wondering about this, whether Fuentes’ price might come down low enough that it might make sense for the Mets to go after him. If either K-Rod or Putz gets hurt, then we lose our significant advantage. But with Fuentes, we don’t. Instead, we have a killer 7-9th inning bullpen. If Fuentes wasn’t a lefty, I would say not to bother, but since the Mets need a lefty anyway, it’s a thought. Probably won’t happen, but it’s a thought. You just have to think of the psychological edge that comes with having 3 closers to end a game, both for the Mets’ starters and for the Mets in general as opposing hitters would be thinking about that as the game went on. They would start to feel pressure even as early as the 4th or 5th inning, which of course would make them hit even worse. And given the Mets ability to score runs early, they would be putting a lot of pressure on opposing hitters and opposing pitchers. Enough can’t be said for having such a psychological edge like this. That’s why I truly hope Omar tries to get a very good reliever for the 7th inning, whoever it is.
yeah, you have to go lowe over ollie, no question
and has there been any kind of update on tex, who was really close to deciding like 3 days ago?
Um, yeah, he’s not signing with the Mets.
If you are deciding between Lowe and Ollie that is silly. Lowe is much better and will only cost us a 2nd round pick where as Ollie will cost us what we don’t get in a 1st round pick and compensation pick. Easily worth the extra money Lowe cost.
especially when the money is going to be relatively the same.
Ollie: 4 @ 48-52
Lowe: 3 @45-48
I would like Lowe because of the consistency, but I do like the dynamic of Ollie in the rotation b/c he’s a lefty and with Lowe, we’d have 4 righties (until Niese) in the rotation and pitching against the phils who have a dominant lefty lineup
Ollie throws a different look in that rotation
Ollie might be “dynamic” once a month but what about his 2 awful starts per month.
Like i said before Oliver is just a flashy version of Randy Wolf.
I would sign Wolf as the #4 (with Lowe as the #2) but not at 9 mil a year. thats just silly
Ollie is more than a flashy version of Wolf b/c we know he is going to make 30+ starts. He has a rubber arm, where wolf is an injury waiting to happen
so Oliver will give us 32 starts. 7 of those he will pitch amazing and the other 25 he wont get out of the 5th inning.
you wanna give a guy 12 million a year for 4 years hoping that he might get better??
he’s been here for 2.5 years, he hasnt proven anything. Let him “develop” on someone elses tab.
Yeah, 30 starts 150 innings for 5 inning Ollie.
well either way that’s 5 more innings than wolf would be pitching on the dl…..
How many times has Ollie pitched over 200 innings?
the only upside of ollie is that hes a lefty
So we’re going to guarantee a roster spot to Redding instead of Daniel Cabrera, who at least has the stuff to show some promise? That makes sense.
what good is having great stuff if you dont how to use it???
Well, it’s better than having no stuff at all, like Tim Redding. I’m not totally against Redding but would rather have had Cabrera, and would rather pursue a trade for Jason Marquis right now.
Really, I think Niese will beat Redding out for the 5th starter role (which would not be the case, in my opinion, with Marquis or Cabrera), and could compete for the long-man role in the pen (which should probably go to Stokes, depending on how Spring Training goes) but the key now is to get Lowe or Perez (preferably Lowe) signed and solidify the 4th spot.
yeah we are not going to get lowe AND wolf…just like with lowe/ollie, its going to be an either/or type of deal
why can’t they
the Mets have shown no interest in any postion player so Wolf at 2 years 12 million and Lowe at 3 years 45 million is very reasonable.
I actually think you MAY be able to get Wolf right in between our thoughts. 2/16.
Lowe I think will get at least 3/50.
i didn’t say they CAN’T, I just said they WONT…thats all…I’m not disagreeing with you, they would be the BEST case scenario…I’m just trying to be realistic, and I see them getting one of lowe/ollie/wolf AND one of garland/redding/marquis…..
That makes no sense. Garland is going to get more than Wolf.
Is wolf that low? If so, I did not realize that, and apologze…i thought he was higher than that…
Wolf as many have pointed out is injury prone. Garland is younger and gives you 200 innings every year.
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Take out the brackets.
K-Rod and Putz!
Meh if signing Redding mean we’ll pick Perez over Lowe then I’d rather go in another direction.
my mistake, I thought garland was cheaper…what is he gonna get?
3/24-3/30
Making the case for Redding:
I’ve read that Redding was due for Arbitration, which is the main reason that the Nats didn’t resign him. It also sounded like a significant raise, as well. Considering how cheap they they signed Cabrera for, it’s not illogical to think that they couldn’t afford Redding. The Nats are attempting to go after the big fish.
It’s clear that the Mets are going after Lowe, and Redding as a 5th starter isn’t that bad. He not only pitched well against the Phillies, but seemed to have the Mets number as well. Moreover, their isn’t anything concrete in arguing that he is getting a two year deal. Just relax guys. Remember who we had as our 5th starter last year? Let me remind you, Brandon Knight, Nelson Figueroa, and the beloved Pedro Martinez. I’m sorry, but Redding is a marked improvement over our 5th spot rotation.
Well then how much are we going to have to pay Redding? They paid 2.6 for Cabrerra. That means they saved how much?
true, we had major issues in the 5 spot…and gina, I don’t know if signing this guy means we would pick ollie over lowe…I think either way, we are still looking at lowe over ollie…
my guess is they only move on a guy like redding after they get Lowe
i wish tex would just sign so the other chips could start falling into place…
I know. This Tex thing is taking for ever and killing the hot stove.
TRS and LongIslandmetsfan,
I would have to agree with you in saying the Redding signing does not imply that they are favoring Perez over Lowe now. I think Gina is worried about the lack of lefty’s in our rotation. Although it is valid, I consider the purpose of signing a Redding-type would be to have a short term stop gap for Niese. If it doesn’t work out, then Niese comes in as a lefty, and the rotation will balance itself out.
As for Redding’s contract price, honestly, I am not sure what he would have commanded. I have not read anything that speculates as to how much he would have requested. I do get the feeling that it would have been significant. Another thing you have to understand, just because he would have received more via arbitration, doesn’t mean he will receive that amount in free agency. In arbtriation matters, they focus on how he actually pitched, and I’m not sure if they take economic impact into account when calculating what his next salary will be. Essentially, I think the Mets are going to get him cheaper than the Nats would have paid by offering him arbitration.
Omar must see something in Redding that we don’t all see. He is a talent evaluator for a living after all.
Signing Redding to the cheap deal that he will command will give the Mets flexibility down the road. I am just unsure as to how long he would last for us. If I were Redding, I would not want to sign here. Being a brink guy, he is prone to being dropped from the rotation if he flops.
Too bad he isint good at evaluating talent.
The New York Expos?
The New York Latin Expos
….didnt see that one coming……
How is he not a good talent evaluator. Look at some of the low risk / high reward players he has brought in here over the last few years. Endy Chavez, Tatis, Chad Bradford, Darren Oliver, Oliver Perez, John Maine, Ryan Church, Xavier Nady, Ramon Castro. Most of those guys were left for dead until Omar brought them in here.
Sure Omar has made his share of bad moves, with the worst being the Castillo extension, but the guy can see baseball talent.
Omar throws darts.
Although I was impressed with his trade for Putz, Omar is basically mediocre in every way.
Personally I think he should have used the money for K-Rod on another starter like Lowe and let Putz be the closer.
How about signing Wiggington to play 2nd base? He could also spell Wright when needed. Guaranteed Omar isn’t even thinking about it, too busy out looking for an aged has-been.
What references/sources to you have to backup your claim that Omar “throws darts?” That is an incredibly ignorant statement. I am glad you are not the Mets GM.
What’s ignorant about it, bub?
Omar picks people up like a hooker, some hit most don’t. He throws a dart and hopes it hits. That’s not the sign of a good GM.
Meh I don’t think he throws darts. But I wouldn’t say he’s a great talent evaluator, relative to other gms at least, either. I’d say he’s around average.
Aged has been? Like Krod and Putz?
I agree. Getting K-Rod & Putz was masterstroke stuff.
You guys complaining about Omar are either not paying attention or are prejudiced.
I’ve seen lots of the that here unfortunately.
Aged has beens like Alou, Hernandez, Tatis, and his other collection of geriatrics he has signed since being named GM.
He can sign Tatis but not Wiggington?
Come on.
I imagine Tatis was a crapload cheaper than Wigginton will be. not to mention Tatis signed to a minor league deal, Wigginton is likely going to be looking for a starting job.
Wiggy is going to sign a contract this off-season for a starting position somewhere, and multiple teams are apparently interested. Why would he take less money, as well as playing back-up? Do you realistically see him playing second base? What do you then do with Luis Castillo, realistically?
We could guarantee Wiggy a lot of at bats at different positions. And he could compete for hopefully a World Series ring. He’d rather start for Kansas City? Or the Nationals? If we get rid of Castillo, there’s a decent chance that he could be our everyday second baseman.
Omar’s made some incredibly good moves, and some bad ones and I, along with most others, thought the whole Willie firing was handled very poorly. I think he’s been outdone a little by Gillick but Omar has been pretty solid overall. And his track record before he came here was good.
How is Church and Perez low risk/ high rewards?
Church we traded one of out top OF prospects for him and that trade is already looking horrible.
For Perez we traded Nady, at that time was out starting RF’er.
Omar is NOT a good talent evaluator. He’s average at best.
I like Redding in the 5 spot. It gives Neise and Parnell more time at AAA. Isn’t it inevitable that someone will miss time? One of these guys could end up as trade bait in July.
I think Redding is low-risk, with the potential of being Marquis, Garland, etc. (14-11, 4.25 ERA, maybe). Those are GREAT #5 results.
Even if Niese & Parnell were (a) healthy, and (b) able to be MLB starters, neither of them would be able to go a full year (too many innings). I think every young starter should be given 2 weeks on the DL midseason to just ease the transition; the only way you do this is having 6 or 7 ML-ready pitchers.
You could skip Pelf’s last start before the All-Star Break, and put him at #5 after the break, giving him 2+ weeks off, with Parnell filling his slot (or Niese, if he isn’t with the Mets all year). Then, after the break, do the same for Niese or Maine. By July 31, you’ve given your young arms a break and battle-tested your best AAA starter — and, if the kid does well, you’ve increased your trade-deadline flexibility.
You can never have enough pitching. This guy definitley has good stuff, its matter of where he’s putting.
Good stuff as in a 95 mph fastball, change, slider.
If this move is to keep a couple bucks available for another signing (Manny). Then do it.
Everybody, take a look at Redding’s pre and post All Star break statistics. If his toe plagued him down the final stretch of the season, then you can probably write off his poor second half and judging by the first half numbers, that’s great production coming from your fifth starter.
Yeah, I was looking at some videos of him 7Train. He has good stuff, everything you mentioned and a curveball as well.
Cheap, one year deal is fine by me. Two years is probably pushing it.
Maybe it is the Tex “negotaitions”, but I’m getting really bored with this whole off season. At this point, just sign someone and get it over with!\
trade aanderson (or equivelant) for Marquis. Sign someone from the garcia/colon pile. Sign Wolf maybe. Or jsut spend th emoney and get Lowe.
I do want to see a nice free for all for the 5th spot. That is always fun.
Or Lowe an dWolf. Or I don’t care.
Now, Fuentes as the lefty in the pen? Even better! Hey, if you are going to correct a weakness, go all out!
although Guardado for cheap would be OK too.
I am more interesdted in the position players though. I’m sure Omar signs at least 1 legit SP to round out the front 4, the 5th will get settle by the spring, but they really do need an upgrade or 2 on the field.
My immaturity came out when I read “Garcia Colon Pile.”
Hey, I did have a “/” in there!
Also, there is no way on this green earth that Fuentes comes in, as our 7th inning guy. I wasn’t even sure if he would come in as a setup man.
Will Omar sign M-Ram
before Dec 25th?
No, if it happens, it probably wouldn’t be until the middle or end of January.
Omar will not sign Man-Ram at all. He will sign either Lowe or Perez, a Redding type a mid-level outfielder.
“a Redding type, AND a mid-level outfielder.”
Personally I am predicitng the rest of the off season to look like this:
Lowe: 3 years, 4th year option worth 77.5 Million
Redding: 2 Years, 15 Million
Burrel: 1 year, 5 Mil?
LOL? What? You actually think Redding can get 2/15? Lowe 4/77.5? But then Burrell only gets 5 million?
Wow, I’m really interested in knowing how you calculated these numbers…
Matt, you missed the Friday poll again.
Lowe and Redding/Niece can work well.
But, in addition, I also like trading a minor piece for Marquis, with initial plans to use him out of the pen. He can also serve as an option should Redding &Niece both fall short of #5 expectations.
I think Marquis may have thrown some solid innings as a reliever when he first came up. He fits the profile of the type of guy the Mets can use to round out a potentially strong pen, one that’s less reliant on the specialist reliever that’s become so prevalent in this era.
JM would be similar to Stokes, but quality depth & flexibility are critical when it comes to arms & the long season — as the last couple of years have painfully showed us. He’s under contract, so he’d do it even if a guaranteed rotation spot is his preference.
we need more sp, but no manny=no WS. believe it. either way, you will believe me in oct 2009. smell the coffee, omar before its too late.
O. Perez and Redding for our rotation? Really?
Santana
Pelfrey
Perez
Maine
Redding
That’s a World Series rotation? Santana is a stud, but you’re obviously missing a #2 starter and are betting on a lot of risks (Maine off of surgery, Perez’s deep inconsistency and a Nationals cast off).
missing a #2 starter? really? 13 wins and a 3.72 era after not finding himself until 1/4 thru the season pretty much establishes pelfrey as a #2. He will get better this year
No it doesn’t, especially not when he had nearly a 5 ERA on the road, and is a heavy groundballer on a team with a defensive black hole on the right side of their infield. And there’s a chance of him regressing due to such a high innings number. Not to mention the fact his off-speed pitches are still a work in progress. Really we shouldn’t count on anything more than #3 type production from pelfrey. A few good months of production doesn’t guarantee anything.
A few good months? this guy was a top draft pick thats been a top prospect for years hes had more than a few good months in his lifetime. And about off speed stuff, ask Brandon webb how his off speed stuff is. With the bullpen stronger, Pelfrey will definitely improve on his 08 numbers
Umm Brandon Webb has an awesome curve ball and a very good change-up. And have you looked at Pelfrey’s minor league numbers? he was never really awesome in the minors they yanked him up and down to much he was never able to have consistent success at any level outside of his like first 16 starts in like A+ and AA back in 06.
Maybe Pelfrey can be a number 2, but going into next year relying on it would just be a horrible decision for any team that expects to compete.
Mets have a number of guys who would be 2/3.
Lowe (if they sign him) Ollie (if they sign him)
Maine was a #2 in 2007, and Pelf can be a 3, maybe a 2.
so a rotation of Santana, Lowe/Perez, Maine & Pelfrey is solid.
it is rare to have a 5th guy who is sure thing, so I’m fine with a Redding type to compete with Parnell and Niese- but they NEED to get one of Lowe/Perez/wolf.
Why in the name of God would we want Tim redding? Just go out and sign derek lowe! It’s that simple! There’s no competition! Have Niese and Parnell compete for a 5th spot in the spring and maybe bring in a nate robertson-type guy to compete too. then there’s left field and that’s it. we already have murphy and evans and tatis if we don’t go out and get a left fielder! can you put a price on good players? no! spend your money! if you have a good team, you’ll win the world series and get that money back!
tim redding. what the hell? this is ridiculous! not everbody is like fernando tatis; you can’t just go around resurrecting people from the dead and praying that everything will be okay. but god forgive we should spend more than $16 million a year on anybody!
…god…
Yes, god forbid we spend more than $16 million a year on:
You mean like the three guys we already pay over $16 million a year too…or the two guys who will sooner than we think command that type of payday. Or how about our $12 million dollar closer to go along with our $11 million dollar closer and our soon to be $8 million dollar setup man.
The Mets are not cheap…people need to stop implying that.
There is no need to get him now… If Omar can play the waiting game and draw the price down, why not?
redding isn’t good. period.
Found on MLB Rumors: “The Mets are very interested in Derek Lowe, but not his pricetag. Boras wants similar money to Barry Zito – about $18MM per season – for the 35-year-old Lowe. The Mets also like Oliver Perez, but he’s another Boras client with a big price tag. The Mets don’t want to add another big contract.”
Boras should be banned from baseball. So unless the price tag goes down I could see Redding and Marquis as the new addition to the rotation. Better beef up the offense!!!!
Most people in here need to relax and let the ENITRE offseason play out. Start complaining once the offseason is complete.
People love playing GM.
BREAKING NEWS:
Angels have pulled their offer to Mark Texieria.
It’s nice to see that multiple organizations have figured out either how to play Scott Boras’ game or at least that they don’t wish to play it. Kudos to the Red Sox and Angels for their negotiating tactics with Teixeira.
are you for real??
Yeah, I’m serious.
Yea, I just read that too. What is going on? Does this mean they are going after Manny? I have on idea what the implications of this have on anything. Haha. Wow.
Are they only 5 or 6 of us that grasp the concept of the reply option under comments? Why do people use the reply box on the bottom to reply to things that are almost near the top?
sorry…i am guilty of sometimes doing this.
Is this like a revolt against Boras or something? I havent heard any changing news from the redsox yet either….What does that leave him with, the orioles and the nationals? The yankess still havent made him an offer as far as I know….Not good though….At the least it means the sox could be more into lowe, and yes the angels could go in on manny….
I just can’t see him going to the Orioles or Nats. I have to think the Sox and Yanks are still in it.
unless its a ploy by one or more of the teams…i definitely got the feel from the redsox statement that theirs was a ploy…how crappy would that be for him to wind up having to choose between the orioles and the nats…my word
Not very crappy if the price is right.
according to mlbtraderumors, Buster Olney says that the Yankees previously made, then pulled an offer to Teixeira as well. It does seem like a revolt against Boras. I kind of hope it is. Hopefully it’s one that all parties decided on independently.
This could open a trade with the Angels for Delgado. I’m anticipating Texieria to sign with the Red Soxs, which is good news for us in our path to getting Lowe. For the first time this winter, if Texieria indeed signs with Boston, I would put the Yankees on the map as a serious suitor for Manny. Angels would probably be in the mix there too. However, who knows though, I wouldn’t put it past the Angels and Red Soxs to even create this all as a set-up against Boras.
With the Braves revolt against Furcals agent and now teams pulling offers from Boras it looks now teams want to play hardball instead of just Boras playing hardball.
why would the Mets want Redding? If the Mets are that desperate to get a 5th starter, then why even have Niese try out for it in spring training? Then the #2 guy on the list for that spot is Randy Wolfe come on Omar, take a chance on Garland and Lowe and some one else more reliable. Omar please stop trying to turn the Mets into the Nationals/Expos your in a better organization now.
I’d hate to break this to you, but Omar is not the owner. He obviously has constraints to work with. I’m sure he would love to spend like a drunken sailor, but unfortunately he can’t.
Although I think it is unlikely, I would love for teams to “gang” up on Boras.
I think it is brilliant to pull their offers. Essentially, they are leaving what they feel he is worth. I am sure if Boras called Anaheim, and says, “we will take it,” they would jump.
The might very well jump, but since they would be jumping to meet terms they’d previously willingly offered, no skin off their backs. This way, they’re prevented from negotiating against themselves (memo to Cashman) or negotiating against one of Boras’ “mystery teams.”
That’s exactly what I was getting at. It is really the only way to “smoke out” the truth. Who even knows if this 200 million dollar teams exists?
Did the Jets catch what the Mets had?
After all the mouthing off that Coles did a week ago, he really put his foot in his mouth with that drop at the end.
Between the Mets and Jets, it’s been an awful year. At least, I can watch some entertaining basketball surprisingly from the Knicks. I guess that’s going to be the most I’ll be getting until 2009.
“CITIFEILD, The House that Manny Built”
stamp that on your rotunda, baby!
Jets (except ‘69) never fail to break my heart.
Mets, Jets, what a life!
If the Angels are really out of the Teixeira bidding, and for argument’s sake, let’s say he signs with the Yankees. The Angels are probably ticked off at Boras because of his tactics, and may not want to deal with him to sign Manny- plus they already signed Juan Rivera, and also have Hunter, Guerrero, and Gary Mathews in the OF. Do we think that opens the door for Manny to the Mets, with the Dodgers maybe being the only competition? But I guess you can’t rule out the NYY still getting Manny even if they get Teixeira, which would be sickening, obviously, and unacceptable to Mets fans. Just a thought. Guess the idiots from Texas could always jump in at the last minute too.
What will irk me is the following: The Jets have obviously collapsed, and everyone is calling for Mangini’s head, and rightfully so- he should be fired in the morning, along with his entire incompetent staff. And once the NYJ are officially eliminated next week, just about every media person, writer, fan, WFAN caller, etc., will demand that Mangini and his entire staff be fired immediately- after this terrible collapse. But what perplexes me is that the Mets 2007 collapse was way worse than the Jets, and yet nobody was calling for Willie’s head at that time (maybe a few people were, like me, but they were in the minority). To me, that’s a double standard and has a lot to do with race. Don’t see how you can look at it any other way. Why can people openly call for Mangini’s head, with no qualms about it, yet with Willie everyone was saying “he deserves another chance.” Ridiculous.
Wrong. Those that wanted Willie to stay were in the very small minority (and, no, not that minority).
dude, I wanted Willie gone BEFORE the collapse
not because of his skin tone
because of his poor judgement in basis baseball
Redding…okay 5th starter. But, what about #4? And, any news on Maine? Is he healthy enough to be the #3? Is Pelf going to step up to be the #2? Can Niese actually make the leap to mlb starter?
So many questions about the starting lineup…
Why are the expectations so low? Why should this team be looking for just a #4 and #5 starter? Why not look for a #2 and a #3? Or two #2’s or 2 # 3’s? Off the injury, who says Maine will be a 3 anyway? He may slot down into a 4 or even a 5 due to injury. And Pelfrey may very well come down to earth and perform more like a 3 or a 4. I think it’s silly and short sighted to just say “all we need is a #4 and #5,” and hope the Mets aren’t thinking along those same lines. You should want to get the two best starters you possibly can, and not just settle for back of the rotation retreads.
One thing that really, REALLY hurt the Mets the last few years was the ridiculous revolving door at the 5th spot- that really hurt the Mets down the stretch the last few years with idiots like Lawrence, Lima, Figueroa, etc, failing time after time. If you go in with Niese as the 5th, this may very well happen again. You need a reliable pitcher in every spot, especially if you fancy yourself a big market team/contender. Ante up, Freddie. Fire Mangini now- don’t wait till next week.
I agree, there needs to be some sort of stable starting rotation and then people that are ready to fill in if need be. I for one am a believer in Neise but I understand why people wouldn’t be, I say keep him as a “number six” and sign a number five – maybe pedro? (although i understand the argument against him i’m just a big fan of his), or redding if thats the answer but we can’t be messing around with the starting rotation, it needs to be solid.
johan
lowe
pelf
maine
redding/niese
marquis (use out of pen and if redding/niese dont work then we got marquis to fill in) This means we wouldnt have to deal with 20 different pitchers like we do every year..(figuroa, knight, lawerence, lima…etc)
What is the pricetag on Marquis now that we dumped Heilman?
Is it worth getting him as a long-man in the BP?
he is not worth it, i rather use parnell or stokes as the long man.
mlbtraderumors.com is reporting that the yankees signed manny for 3/75. if that is true, and the angels & boston are out on tex, omar should trade delgado to the angels and pounce on tex!!
omg, its not fair!!!!!
Manny for 3/75+ to play in the NL just sounds like a real bad idea.
Not that I want him to go to the Yankees, but he probably does belong in the AL at this point.
Omar is strange in many ways. but he also has good technigue he is always the guy taht says the 2 words and waits till you are vulnerable and pounces in.he did it with santana beltran and even pedro in a few ways. So omar may end up with texierera or manny depending on much scott boras makes other teams mad why REDDING BEN SHEETS what is wrong with ben sheets i would love to have him as a #2 he was the brewers ace till sabathia and kept the brewers alive i know this may seem mean and wrong but does anyone else think omar is racist. Other than glavine and putz lately it seems like he pushes more for non whites and almost thinks of whites as minority;s i may be over thinking a few decisions but idk i think he may be in some way
The Mets GET TIM REDDING!!?? AND THE yankays GET MANNY RAMIREZ!?? Baseball is disgusting and fixed. I’m done.
didnt the yankess sign 2 type A players? can they sign a 3rd one?
from MLB.com: “If there are 14 or less type A and B players available, no team may sign more than 1 type A or B player. If there are 15-38 available A and B players, no team may sign more than 2. From 39-62 this becomes 3. The club quota increases accordingly for higher totals of available free agents. There is no maximum allowed for type C free agents. Lastly, a team can sign up to as many type A and B free agents as they’ve lost, regardless of the above quota.”
I am not a Jets fan but I gotta say I really feel bad for all my fellow mets fans who unfortunately had to watch yet another late season collapse by one of their teams.
OK, enough with the pitching…..SIGN TEX!
Trade Castillo and Sanchez to a team that needs a RH relief pitcher and would take Castillo, like the Diamondbacks.
Then deal Delgado to the Angels or the Mariners who would love his bat.
Thats 20 million right there….pays for the first of 10 year, 200 million deal. The next 9 years are paid by Citibank!
Then the Mets are ready!
sign lowe, dunn, and redding. seeya in spring training.
The Yankees getting Many would make me so sick to my stomach. Whatever their team needs they just go buy. We on the other hand are trying to sign Tim Redding. Tim Redding! We dont want to spend too much on Lowe. Wow. With the Wilpons cash flow we should be signing not one but 2 of Lowe/Perez/Sheets. Thats right 2. Or one of those pitchers and Manny. If not Manny because he is too much money then why not Dunn? He is the power bat we need and has recently said he just wants a fair contract not tons of money. I like that he just wants a “fair” deal. Shows some character. He can play left this year and next year when Delgado is gone and F-Mart is ready for LF Dunn can move to first base. Makes total sense.
sign sheets and redding…this should leave cash for manny …..with manny in the lineup, there is no way we do not take philly down
Redding is a bum. Why is this guy even being mentioned? bring in freddy garcia or somone that has had a good year or 2. someone like redding has never been good and is already older (30 or 31). Ide rather have someone his age that has a chance to revert to his old self (like garcia) than someone that has never been good.
people…PEOPLE….hear me….pitching is a top priority. BUT so is signing a CLUTCH CLEANUP RIGHTY HITTER, which we havent had since piazza! SIGNING MANNY IS AN ABSOLUTE MUST TO MAKE IT TO THE WS. believe it bro. either way, you will believe me in october.
SHUT UP
you cant handle the truth? i am entitled to my opinion. i put things in perspective. i throw pearls before swine. you think it’s easy being right nearly 100% of the time? losers are taling about schlubs for LF…and most are lefties! what are they thinking? sure, that’s fine for a second place finish, but i am talking about what it WILL take to get to the WS. hear me now, believe me later.
I’d lose a lot of respect for Omar if he signed Ramirez. Bad for the clubhouse. Bad for the budget. We have higher priorities.