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Gordon Edes of Yahoo! Sports believes the Mets and Derek Lowe are deep in negotiations, though an offer has not yet been made.
According to Edes, ‘the Red Sox had mild interest in Lowe,’ and while losing out on Mark Teixeira could prompt them to get involved, ‘indications from Red Sox sources point to less costly options.’
Speaking of starting pitchers…
Peter Abraham of the Journal News writes, “Unless the Yankees are able to trade one of their extra hitters, there may be no room for Andy Pettitte.”
…so, if the Red Sox are on-the-fence, let’s say, and the Yankees cannot afford $10 million for pettitte, and the Braves and Phillies are not interested, who will be Omar Minaya’s top competition for lowe…i guess maybe the Angels, but i have not heard or seen their name in connection to him either…
and only 5 hours late
lol i was gonna say the SAME thing…
Jeez, cut the guy some slack. Is he allowed to have a life? Although yeah, it was on MLBRumor whatever.com. this afternoon but man tis the season let Matt go have some fun. Also this Haiku format is driving me insane. Matt, any more change on format coming?
lowe/perez get it done
This would be just as important to us as any of the signings any team has made this offseason.
Give the Mets a legit one-two punch..makes us consistent four pitchers through..helps with our bullpen health, as he would probably give us 200 innings…
In other words…GET IT DONE OMAR…Don’t let him leave the room!
okay get lowe but not oliver perez.get randy wolf or another pitcher and leave money for manny ramirez. since yanks got mark and angels dont want manny , now its a good time to get him .
we have to get lowe. no question… but look, the reality is that we need manny… there is no getting around it. this lineup would be unmatched with manny in it… without him, it’s just be good, but not good enough.
i meant it’s just good, but not good enough….
i want manny just as bad as anyone, but the reality is the mets as of now arent even thinking about manny. omar and co. need to get manny big time. a manny/lowe/krod/putz off season is a completed team.
Omar has always loved manny so don’t be schocked if he jumps in at the last second after he gets his starter and make an offer to Manny.As of now the Dodgers are the only team interested. He fell in the Mets lap, so we better atleast make a run at him.
i could have a very strong lineup with ramirez , but i see the negatives too
what are some negatives?..it just seems like ddestiny that manny comes to the mets..
i just hear people saying that when hes 40 he will be bad or he will want a very long contract for to much money. but he diserves it
Agreed. The Mets must get Boras & lowe in a meeting room, order some pizzas and lock the door and nobody leaves until a deal is done.
The very second that is done, get Manny on the phone and make it happen.
Then I will be more then happy if they decided to sign Tim Redding, Jose Lima or Anna Benson to be the #5 starter.
anna benson hahaha! what about bringing braiden looper back?! hahaha!!
gotta sign lowe/manny/LHP for the pen/ and a backup infielder…alex cora maybe? then tim redding
if the mets get lowe and manny , i will belive will make the playoffs or even the world series
i agreed scottykick great idea!!
look this is the bottom line… no matter how crazed manny is, he gives this team the balls they dont have.
just imagine:
reyes, tran, manny, delgado, wright, church (hoepfully healthy), murph/tats, schneids, and santana?
switch, switch, R, L, R, L…
sick.
u have no 2b and 4 OFers…
that will be an awsome lineup
Wait, so you want two left fielders? I know everyone likes to forget about Castillo, but he is our 2nd baseman, not Murph and Tatis.
its so funny that everyone thinks manny is a cancer… look what he did for the dodgers attitude. people believe when they play with manny… plus, hes good for at least 35+, 125+ so much pressure off wright and tran… it just has to get done. end of story.
Get Lowe because he isint old enough already!!
Re-sign Ollie so we can complain about his inconsistencies for a 3rd straight year!!
Sign Manny so we can bitch about his laziness by June!!!
I love NY fans ;)
haha, great comment as it is so true, your either a “Lowe is a legit #2 will pitch 220 inning Perez stinks and is inconsistent” guy, or your a ” Perez is 27 and his upside is way better then Lowes and he pitches in the clutch, and Lowe is 36!” Guy. And with Manny your either ” he’s a clubhouse cancer” or “he’s the best RH bat ever.”
Met Fans here are never happy
Sorry if i posted this twice, it said comment is awaiting moderation….
Is it worse to whine or to whine about other people whining?
If you got Manny for 1-year, excellent, but who knows how he acts and plays for anything after that. The garbage he pulled in Boston last year is hard to swallow. Eventually, he does have to breakdown, right? That being said, the Mets will probably sign him and not Lowe, considering the Yanks were hardly mentioned on Texeira and since everyone knows Omar wants Lowe, it will never happen. I just wonder though, if everyone is so high on Lowe, why hasn’t he been signed yet? You would think someone (Anaheim or the Dodgers or Boston even) hadn’t tried to overpay since they missed out on everything. Maybe Omar can get him a 3 for 45.
they had to wait for tex to sign because boras is lowe’s agent
The reason he has not been signed is simple. He is a Boras client. Boras works one at a time. Expect Lowe or Ollie to be signed in the next week or two, holidays included. After that, Manny watch will begin. I am certain the Mets will have some competition for Manny. But they are a NY team, and if they want him, they will get him.
it just seems like all roads point to manny
HAHAHHA I did completely forget about that bum castillo…
i know im going to get killed with this, but if we sign manny/lowe how about bringing back pedro very very cheap as your 5th starter.
that is not a reason to get killed…if we bring in Manny (i say get HIM first, then lowe) i’d be happy with Pedro…right now, he is the ULTIMATE high risk/high reward player…and who knows, maybe he can keep manny “in check” since they’re friends from the BoSox days…
Lowe would be freaking awesome………..
make it happen omar . get lowe and manny
Lowe is slightly better than average Forget him.
hey vic so would manny..lol
maybe pedro could fit in the bullpen
If we got Lowe, it would be a wonderful off-season. If we brought Manny in, I would buy season tickets. Simple as that.
manny is on a mission to prove this world wrong after his winter of discontent so far… he feels that hes getting snubbed this offseason and all that means is a monster season is coming up… i love murphs guts, and tatis was a miracle last season, but championship teams just dont have a platoon LF like that…
Lowe is going back to Boston. Why wouldnt they sign him after losing out on Teixeira?
heard he left on bad terms
I just read that the Red Sox are likely going to go after a cheaper alternative to Lowe. Essentially, they don’t need a No.2 or 3.
The Mets should have a clear path towards him.
because after what the yankees did lowe is not enough for the sox.
They will try to trade for peavy and sign another big bat. Lowe is just not enough for the sox considering what the Skankees have done this offseason
Manny would not enjoy the yankees anyway because they dont kno how to have fun…they take the game way too seriously….manny is the kind of guy who has fun while playing…the mets are the teeam for him…he would help out the other players sooo much as well…and whenever anyone says that he cant play defense they are right, but its not like he cant at all…he knows how to catch…we dont need a strong glove out there if we get his bat…OMAR.. SCREW THE WILPONS AND GO GET HIM….WE ALL KNO U WANT HIM
i want manny..thats all it comes down to
we need a every day outfielder . we cant put murphy and tatis for the whole year.
plus if the wilps are worried about spending that much on manny, they should have no fear. manny is a marketing monster… how fast did 99 become the best selling jersey in cali last summer… manny would instantly become top 2 most popular mets.
One more thing, I just read that the Blue Jays are not going to sign anywhere. So Manny to the Jays is off the tables, as well as Husdon and Giambi. Obviously, I only care because of Manny.
imagine man ram with pine tar clumped onto his mets batting helmet…. happy thoughts
Lowe and Manny, package deal. Don’t let Boras leave the room until the steak dinner is served and Johan calls on the cell phone.
im still sticking mith my call of the mets bringing manny in
i wouldnt be surprise if tran had 125 runs, 35 bombs, 125 ribs, 30 steals with manny in the lineup. easy…
and what would reyes/wright/manny’s numbers be?
scary thought
whoever hits in front of manny either wright beltran or delgado will have an insane year they will see nothing but fastballs right down the middle of the plate
manny is the guy . come on omar sign him and will belive in the mets more and ill also buy season tickets
Manny and Lowe, Omar. It must be done.
On both fronts, the market is in great shape for the Mets. The Red Soxs are the only viable competition for Lowe’s services and I wouldn’t even consider them too high on the board. Boston really does not seem interested in meeting the middle ground for his demands as the Mets would do. As far as Manny goes, this should be a no-brainer for us at this point. All the big market teams are out of the running. It’s down to the Mets and Dodgers, there is not a single reason that this shouldn’t get done. I absolutely refuse to go into the season with two converted infielders playing left field, all while knowing that Manny Ramirez has fell into our lap. Sign him Omar!
Did you ever think that all the big markets are dropping out because he is so overrated. 26-25 last two years i what you are begging for. Really?
i think wright would benefit most from manny being here… i saw manny play at fenway for 4 years when i was college… there is absolutely no fear in that guy… he would be a calming influence on wright… and we wouldnt have to worry about wright picking up any bad habits from manny… hes just too focused… reyes on the other hand… i could see manny and reyes pulling a plax and pierce at the latin quarters… ;-)
imagine what damage this 1-5 would be
Reyes, Beltran, Wright, Manny, Delgado
i’d rather Reyes, Church, Beltran, Manny, Wright, Delgado
phil
you are absolutely right
anybody has omars number ill call him right away
Can u imagine if Omar got Manny and Lowe while unloading Castillo’s contract at the same time? I’d like to say be fiscally responsible, but it’s not my money and if the Wilpon’s want to take one monster run at the title, here is their chance!!
Can we ban posters who make more than 2 posts about acquiring Manny in one thread? We get it. And don’t get me wrong– I like Manny, but this is getting ridiculous.
well what should we met fans be talking about sir?
I understand that its just that you guys are all repeating the EXACT SAME THINGS. Nothing new or interesting has been said. Every post is “OMG can u imagine Manny DO IT OMmAR!” Really brilliant insight. Nor has anyone acknowledged any potential downsides to signing him. Its, like, automatic to you guys that signing him we would become the greatest team of all time. Nothing is guaranteed in baseball.
the downside is that he has to look at Castillo.
Manny is an automatic .300 30 HR 120 RBI
i understand that Manny has his issues but his impact on the rest of the team would be incredible.
In my eyes 2 years 50 million with an optin is an easy choice
start a petition!!
nothing ridiculous about it
MANNY + LOWE
manny is a must for the mets, he would make everybody else better. here are my predictions for the mets hitters with manny in the lineup.
-reyes-300,18HR, 80 RBI(will get pitch cuz noone want baserunners in front of manny)
-murphy-305, 20HR, 80 RBI (same as reyes)
-beltran-280,38HR, 125 RBI(will see pitches right down the middle
-manny- 315, 40HR, 135 RBI
-wright-,312, 35HR, 128 RBI(will get pitch after manny is walked intentionally)
-delgado- 260, 32HR, 113 RBI(will have a ton of baserunners in front of him)
-church-282, 28HR, 90 RBI
-castillo-I dont care
-schneider-I dont care either
MANNY is a different maker and we need him. I am tired of seeing beltran,delgado and wright as our big hitters.
GET IT DONE OMAR!!!!!!
This. Post. OMG. I have a pie in the sky I think I might like to sell you a slice of.
once again, another fan that has FOUR OFers….if we sign Manny, Murphy rides the pine or is in the minors…thats it
Hazmet says:
December 23, 2008 at 10:02 pm
“Lowe and Manny, package deal. Don’t let Boras leave the room until the steak dinner is served and Johan calls on the cell phone.”
From your lips to God’s (Omar’s) ears Hazmet! That would make one sweet off-season.
If the Angels are saying they have no interest in Manny, that definitely opens the door for the Mets. The Yankees have had ENOUGH. Bring in Manny, Lowe and maybe I’ll consider buying tickets this year, Fred.
Manny is one of my favorite players and I know that the big market teams are out of the race. I just dont see the Wilpons approving this deal. Manny would make us a world series favorite and he would help players like beltran and wright. Omar cleary wants him considering he has tried to aquire him a few times in the past. The Mets need to get this done and bring in lowe with him.
supposedly omar really likes him and wants him but the wilpons do not
yea i think the wilpons have to get on board with this one. Manny is one of the best in the game talent wise. I would give him a three year contract in a second
If the Mets hitters had those numbers for the year, they would win 110 games. It is great to think that, but the law of averages says no way. Reyes’ are okay, but you would rather him go .290 with 13-15 hrs, 65-70 rbis, but 140 runs scored. If Murphy did that, I would be stoked.
if Murphy hits .280 15 HR i’ll be thrilled
to expect anything more than that is putting ridiculously high expectations on him.
Duh…Murph would hit .000 as he would have no position (Manny does have to play LF as well as hit – no DH in the real baseball league) and would likely be in Buffalo.
Also think about what manny did to the dodger lineup…everyone got better due to him being in the middle…..there is no doubt that wright would put up better numbers, especially in the clutch because noone wants to face manny in the clutch with delgado behind him……im getting chills just thinking about how dangerous that would be.
Word on the street is that Omar was not looking to “get it done” but due to popular demand he has retracted his previous decision and will now, thanks to your constant pestering, “get it done”. Because Omar reads Metsblog. Daily.
lmao…i HATE the “GET IT DONE, OMAR” quotes…lol…yes, just get it done..cuz it’s that easy..u just have an idea and then boom, it gets done
what would ya rather get
1. lowe, redding (murph/tatis in left)
or
2. manny, wolf, redding
I would take the Manny combo. Wolf is alright and he fills a hole in the rotation. Redding can compete for the fifth spot with niese put some pressure on him, and Manny is Manny.
Dan Graziano says Omar Minaya is unable to convince Mets ownership to allow him to pursue Manny, much to Scott Boras’ chagrin. Will Manny have to go crawling back to the Dodgers, as Graziano puts it?
Come on Santa!!!!!!!!!
Reyes
Wright
Delgado
Manny
Beltran
Church/Tatis/Murphy
Castillo/Murphy
Schneider
Santana
Lowe
Pelf
Maine
Ollie
K-Rod
Putz
Green
Robertson
Feliciano
Parnell
I don’t understand everyone’s fixation on Derek Lowe. He’s an ok pitcher but not a great one. He’s not worth the money and is not a #2. I think if we end up spending what he’s going to want we’re going to be very dissapointed. I’m not an Ollie fan, and i think consistancy is one thing that the team needs and Ollie won’t necessarily give, but he’s better than Lowe when he’s on. Personally, I think that taking a gamble on Sheets is a move that needs to be done. High HIGH upside, and for the money he’d be asking, could absolutely be a #2. Lowe could not.
I am a big proponent of Manny. that being said if the Wilpons wont budge on Manny What about Perez AND Lowe. That would be a verry dominant rotation
Santana
Pelfrey*
Lowe*
Ollie
Maine
*= interchangeable spots
thats nice but just because we cant get manny that doesnt mean we can go out and get towo top notch starters
y not every one else says sign lowe and manny. Manny would need between 20-25 mil per season Ollie would need about 15 per How is signing them both not possible if signing Manny & Lowe is?
Dan Graziano says Omar Minaya is unable to convince Mets ownership to allow him to pursue Manny, much to Scott Boras’ chagrin. Will Manny have to go crawling back to the Dodgers, as Graziano puts it?
acording to mlbtr.com
YES YES we need to understand how valuable lowe would be to the staff. Having four legit starters will allow us to make john niese have a nice healthy transition into the rotation. Trust me, we will have problems without 4 legit starters, and to have our number four starter be pelfrey would make us formidable. I still think we should get rid of castillo, eat up his contact and go after orlando hudson after his price drops a lil bit more, but if we sign lowe then i guess we wont have the space
Lowe, Manny, a decent LHRP and a UI.
that’s all this team needs
UI?
Utility Infielder
oooooooooo
Unfortunately, signing Manny and Lowe just isn’t possible. The Yankees had a payroll of 80 million more than the Mets last year. And they had 88 million coming off their payroll, meanwhile the Mets had 30 million.
This has been a pleasantly successful off-season up to this point. It just shows you what having patience can do. For that matter too, the Phillies could have done better themselves. Signing an OF who’s left-handed, equally poor defensively and 4 1/2 years older than Burrell to a 3 year deal was plain stupid. They took themselves out of the Lowe bidding too with the re-signing of Moyer and quasi-starter Park.
Think about all that’s gone right for the Mets up to this point. Texeira ends up a Yankee. It wouldn’t have been fun pitching to him if he were a Nat. CC ended up a Yankee, not a Brewer, Dodger or Giant. Burnett was that close to ending up a Brave. As well as Furcal. Neither did though. Between that and the possible departure of Sheets from Milwaukee to go along with Torres too, it’s made the Brewers less competitive.
Between the Angels losing K-Rod, Texeira, Garland (probably), showing a lack of interest in Manny and the Cardinals unwilling to commit to Fuentes, it means Fuentes probably ends up an Angel in the AL. This Texeira signing too has probably sealed the deal on the Yankees not signing Lowe. Personally, I think the Yankees lack of activity with their bullpen may come back to haunt them the same way how it did for us the last couple years. Omar actually revamped the bullpen with new names prior to the ‘06 season (Bradford, Oliver, Wagner, Sanchez) so I can see a lot of success coming out of this new crew in K-Rod, Putz, Green and hopefully one more lefty like Ohman or Shouse…
you can’t turn down a player like Manny just b/c you wanna keep the “payroll” down.
This is a big market team with one of the biggest payrolls and a history of losing.
don’t get me wrong, the mets have made some great strides but Manny is the difference maker we need on offense.
Reyes, Wright, Beltran and Delgado are not enough to offset Castillo, Schenider and our corner OF
Omar I know you’re reading this. Get it done.
Manny is gonna be a Marlin…
naaaa hes gunna b a dodger
the marlins who had a payroll last year of about what Manny wants alone. Good call. I cant make up my mind about the Nats though and the thought of them wanting to spend money and get good scares the everloving sh!t outta me. could you imagine if the nats get good, Fla’s prospects in a couple of years, the mets and the phillies it would be 10x harder than the AL East
lmfao the wilpons are a joke if they wont let omar get manny
the wilpons are a joke….but im not laughin…this is serious…the best offensive player in the game will not be a met at a good price because some stupid people in the office dont like him….rediculous…..dont fire omar….fire the wilpons
Someone needs to win the lottery, buy the mets, then tell omar to get manny!!!!!!!!!!
omar is making sure he can set manny up with j-lo after she breaks up with marc anthony so manny can roll to betrans 32nd next year..
how can a bussiness ignore a man that sells more merchandise and tickets for the bussiness than any other player in the sport
i kno it just doesnt make any sense
Derek Lowe’s pretty much a solid 2 SP or a great 3 SP. This is how our rotation would match up with the Phillies with Lowe though…
Santana vs Hamels – Mets got the edge there
Lowe vs Myers – That’s not even close. Myers could turn into a mess as quick as Ollie.
Pelfrey vs Moyer – Pelfrey progressed tremendously while Moyer shown signs of regression getting hit hard in the postseason
Maine vs Blanton – That’s close, but I’d give the edge to the Mets if Maine’s healthy
Niese/Parnell/Figueroa vs Kendrick/Happ/Carrasco … Phillies would probably have the edge there, but that’s why we’d get a Marquis or Redding.
Lowe makes or breaks this rotation. The value of one good starting pitcher can really be underestimated. Kyle Lohse got 1 year/4.25 million from the Cardinals on March 14th. He wanted a 4 year/40 million deal when he came out on the market.
The Mets knew of the the El Duque questionability up to that point. They knew Pedro was a liability. And although it was a pleasent suprise that took a couple months to work, no one expected Pelfrey to have that much success.
John Maine started 25 games. So he missed at least 8. Pedro started 20. He missed at least 13. Not just would have those 21 starts could have been Lohse’s, but he would have been able to cover the last month of Pedro’s pathetic starts and may have been able to get Maine’s dead arm out of the rotation quicker. If the Mets had offered him a million or two more, he probably would have signed here. He went 15-6 3.78 200 IP in 2008.
Jon Niese and Bobby Parnell should be able to fill in for that role. But either one can’t be the 5 SP in this rotation. They need to either sign Odalis Perez or Tim Redding. Or trade for Jason Marquis… Maybe send Marlon Anderson’s contract over and ask the Cubs to cover 2 million of Marquis contract.
If they can get rid of Marlon then mark my words Nick Evans will be his replacement and be an absolute stud of the bench. Trust me i just got a feeling about this kid he will be the RH Marlon Anderson (of 2007 not 2008).
i’m sorry but Nick Evans is nothing more than a borderline MLB player.
the kid looked overmatched pretty much every game.
if he’s on our team going north he must have had some heck of a ST…
Wilpons won’t let Omar get Manny? Sell the team, you cheap f’ing losers..I’m sick of it. This team’s payroll is not indicative of the kind of insane revenues they are bringing in. I’ll say it before and I’ll say it again: Yankees want to win at all costs, and will pay any price to win. Mets “would like” to win, but making a buck always comes first. Sick of it, this is disgusting. Please Fred- I beg of you.
It’s not that the Wilpons don’t want Manny, but he’d cost too much. Lowe may wind up getting 4 year/60 million. Manny may get 3 year/60 million. Who’s more worth it if you can only have one? If they sign Manny, we’ll probably end up with Randy Wolf 2 year/20 million. Just like if they wanted to, they could probably end up with Bobby Abreu (or Adam Dunn?) 2 year/20 million if they signed Lowe (or Perez).
Manny is 30 million dollars more valuable than Adam Dunn
i honestly think the mets will not let the yankees steal all their thunder
Is there a link to the Graziano thing? I don’t know if I can believe that Omar’s opinion is that far away from ownerships. It’s not like he hasn’t been able to convince them before.
mlb btraderumors.com
If they can get rid of Marlon Anderson then mark my words Nick Evans will be his replacement and be an absolute stud of the bench. Trust me i just got a feeling about this kid he will be the RH Marlon Anderson (of 2007 not 2008
The Yankees have already stolen all the thunder from the rest of baseball lol I don’t care. Those studs are in the AL now. They’re away from us. Pat Burrell can’t kill us as a Phillie either. And for that matter, I wouldn’t like to see him taint us with his cold streaks as a Met. The Yankees signings have helped the Mets tremendously so I can’t complain…
We need Lowe though. If Lowe ends up a Met, I can confidently say we’ve had a great off-season. Especially if they get an alright 5 SP too. I don’t know why Easley hasn’t re-signed. Or why the Mets wouldn’t want him back. He did so much for this team. They should consider Tatis getting used to 2B the same way how they did with Valentin too in the event Castillo’s not able to hold it…
Get ur done
The biggest complaint of the Mets offense is that they choked when it mattered most. Manny doesn’t choke…he’s got ice water in his veins. This really needs to happen. Sign Sheets instead of Lowe if you have to.
Manny is a winner and after all the losing culture that’s been here the last two years, he is exactly what they need.
I don’t think Marlon Anderson will be on the roster regardless of whether they’re paying his contract or not.
Jeremy Reed’s supposed to be the 4th OF. He had similar numbers to Endy last year. Angel Pagan’s supposed to be the 5th. And one of Murphy and Tatis will be on the bench, along with Castro and a middle IF we’re unsure of. At least we know it won’t be Argenis Reyes who went untendered though… Evans will probably see time on the roster when there are injuries. Or in the first week or two if they don’t need a 5th starter. I don’t think they’ll be much of Robinson Cancel or a third catcher on the roster next season with the depth on this bench though. You’re right though that Evans could have good value on the bench if the Mets made room for him.
I dont see why the wilpons are afraid to give manny money. He is one of the most reliable players in baseball. He brings a clutch bat and a winning mentality to the team also. Manny has two rings and we dont have any in the past 10 years. We are talking about a bargain for one of the best players to every play the game.
sign manny 3 years
1st year 19.5 million
2nd year 23.5 million
3rd year 25 million
sign Derek lowe
4 years 60 million
at 15 million a season with 8 million dollar buy out option for 4th year
Trade Delgado to the angels for one of there young cheap starters or san fran for 1 of there cheap young starters and make sure they take on most of delgados contract
sign alex cora or hairston jr.
sign rich aurilla to a 1 year deal dont low ball him something decent for 1 year to back up murphy at 1st base
Let murphy and Aurilla play 1st
and tatis plays the bench and spells church if he cant hit off lefties
the plan for the Mets is to have Niese start the season as the #5.
if the mets sign Lowe there would be no reason to trade for another SP…
not to mention the fact that Delgado is pretty much untouchable…
Ben Sheets arm would be the Mets biggest problem. I’d rather see Ollie return over him. Less teams have been interested in Perez than Lowe (and possibly Sheets too), so his price may come down to 3 year/36 million. That’d probably be worth it if the Mets can’t sign Lowe.
You’re right that Manny’s as clutch of a hitter out there. I think he’d really thrive in New York too… I know the Mets didn’t get the hit when it counted (Wright particularly), but did people not watch Delgado or Tatis throughout the season? These two guys had some of the most clutch hits… Like that Delgado grand slam. And that Tatis home run in extra innings against the Phillies in Philly. It’s all about a team dynamic. Signing Manny and Wolf probably could get done though and losing Perez would ensure the Mets don’t lose anymore picks.
can we really expect Tatis to do anything close to what he did last season. Remember this was his first full season in the big leagues since 2000!!!
also while I dont understand the whole trade Delgado because he’s bound to have a bad year thing but to expect .271 40 HR 115+ RBI is ridiculous
I am thinking maybe this is all a grand scheme by the Mets. They show absolutely no indication towards Manny whatsoever in an attempt to bring down his demands even further. Omar then cries wolf to Scott Boras. And in the end, the Mets get him on a deal somewhere in the middle ground.
I like the general premise, but please forgive my ignorance, the middle ground between what and what?
GravediggerHebner, I’m hoping for the cost to come down to a range of 17.5 – 20 million per year.
I suppose since K-Rod’s actual contract was so much less than his initial demands, your Manny scenario is not impossible.
1st of all the mets are talking to tim redding so theres not a gurantee neise is ready to be the #5 plus if i can have manny in 2 year or 3 year deal i would pefer 2 do that than keep delgado for 1 year i would pefer to add more young legit pitching and some1 to take on most of delgado’s contract like the angels or san fran who are desprate for legit 1st basemen or DH with power to compete especially now that the angels lost on TEX and dont want manny i just see it see as a must do thing lets say you sign Manny and he gets 19.5 mill for the 1st season and the angels trade for delgado and cover atleast 10 million of teh 12 million that would be we only paying manny 9.5 mill for this sesaon and sitll able 2 afford lowe while trading delgado for a legit young cheap pitcher that can compete with neise i would accept this any day
Eduardo, I like your ideas but that probably won’t work into the Mets budget. Adding Lowe (15 million) and Manny (19.5 million) and a middle IF (1 million) would jack the payroll up 30.5 million (about 157 million after aribtration cases). This would be before addressing signing a left-handed set-up man (about 3 million) and signing (or trading) for a 5th SP (about 6 million).
If the Wilpons were willing to exceed the payroll to 165-166 million, it’d make this all feasible. If they increase by 12% the way how they did last off-season though, that’d leave the payroll at 154 million. Their problems on Wall Street and the sluggish economy as a whole probably will stand in the way of that happening. Chances are the Mets sign Lowe or possibly Perez.
3 year/68 million is a lot for Manny too… They shouldn’t over spend on him if they’re going to. The Dodgers offered 2 year/45 million. It may take a third year, but probably not at the same salary as the other 2. 3 year/60-63 million seems more likely. I expect him to sign with Washington.
but Manny pretty much guarantees the Mets a playoff birth.
Do you know how much revenue the team makes per home playoff game???
not too mention how much revenue they’d get from Manny merchandise alone
Dan Graziano says Omar Minaya is unable to convince Mets ownership to allow him to pursue Manny
fire the wilpons!
yeah NYC your right but wen a team like the angels get desprate liek they are now and cover 10 mill of delgados 12 mill contract we will only be paying manny about 9.5 million for the 1st season off the budget with delgado leaving i would get manny trade delgado with manny sitll being able 2 hit this year the year after and most likly one more year after that
We all no Omar wants Man-Ram. He would sign Man-Ram in a heartbeat. That being said I would love to have Man-Ram. Not the best LF but a platoon of Tatis and Murphy in LF is no worse defensively.
But I do also understand why ownership would not want to spend 20-25 million on Man-Ram
That being said I agree Why not try to get both Lowe and Ollie? That would give us a very very good 1-5. Have Neise have another year in the minors. You can still sign a Tim Redding type pitcher as insurance and long man in the pen.
Trading Delgado won’t be about shedding payroll. 12 million for Delgado after the season he just had is a bargain. Getting a big market team to pay all of it won’t be a problem. The only way he gets traded though is if the Mets get a couple good prospects or some bullpen depth in return. A smaller market team like the Rays may be less willing to pay all of Delgado’s salary. But if the Mets were willing to give the Rays 4 million (they had gotten from the Marlins oiriginally intended for his buyout), than the Mets can try for Grant Balfour.
why are my posts disappearing
I guess Santa got my letter.
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I’m all for signing Lowe. But signing Perez to a multi-year deal at like 13-14 million is just irresponsible. That’s why Lowe is a much better option. I do think Jon Garland and Randy Wolf’s price tags will come down low enough for the Mets to be able to afford as a 5th starter. I think Braden Looper has gone really underrated through all this since he’s been solid as a back-end starter the last couple years.
Braden Looper’s tenure as a Met ended years ago, lets keep it that way…
While Looper has been solid, it seems that a lot of pitchers who experience a birth or a re-birth in St. Louis with Dave Duncan can’t replicate that success away from him.
why r people stuck on trading delgago?
a lineup of:
reyes
murph
wright
beltran
delgado
manny
church
catcher
pitcher
Manny batting 6th????????
You have to get the big free agents now- the market will be much drier the next few years.
im just sooo excited to see how many wins johan gets with two closers in the back of the pen….my predictions
johan – 23 wins era 2.5
lowe – 16 wins era 3.7
pelf – 18 wins (yes 18!!!) era 3.0
maine – 12 wins era 4.2
niese – 7 wins era 4.8
I am starting to lose hope on Manny to the Mets. I dont see why ownership doesnt want to get this thing done. I think Omar sees the oppurtunity we have to get one of the best players in the leauge. If he cant convince them into signing manny we need to get lowe and maybe someone like Burrell or Abreu. I dont like the platoon in left i think Murphy will slow down he wont bat 330 next year.
delgado is one of my favorite players but manny is going to out last him for the next 3 years in stats and ability to play in the national league. Delgado after this season is a must american league DH hitter and would intrugue either the rays and angels or san fran since there a big bat away from winning the west and everyone should know how well delgado hits in that park each 1 of those teams have legit young pitching that can give us in return and are willing on taking on most of his contract
so why not keep him here and then let him walk
just b/c his contract is expiring doesnt mean you have to trade him.
where do you expect to replace his 40 HR?? Murphy might get you 15
I dont think it matters if we trade delgado because i think the Wilpons have a probelm with Manny being Manny not the money. They probally thing he will dog it like he did in boston. If you look at his numbers in Boston when he didnt try at all they are still among the tops in the leauge. He batted 290 and knowed in a ton of runs. I dont think Manny is that terrible in the clubhouse the players on the Dodgers seemed to love him and Joe Toree was a big fan. If he liked Manny i dont think Jerry will have any problems with him.
Oleo… I don’t know if Manny guarantees the Mets the playoffs. He’d give us a good shot, but I think the same argument can be made to Lowe. The Mets had a powerful offense last year. I believe they led the NL in 1st inning runs and were ranked 3rd in offense.
Manny helped raise the Dodgers confidence level, but their team played well the last couple months of the season. They’ve also had Joe Torre as their manager who got the Yankees to win the division fighting hard for years. Plus their division is weak. 84 wins should have not gotten them into the postseason period.
Manny can help us score runs. But what’s it worth if we don’t have a starting pitcher or a bullpen that can hold leads? I’m much more confident with the bullpen situation now (although we still need one more lefty reliever), but right now 2 out of 5 days a week would look like losses for the Mets right now… With or without Manny. If there’s enough money to sign Manny along with Wolf or Garland, than I’m in for it. Otherwise, I’m not.
Reyes and Wright have struggled to get this team into the playoffs.
Manny thrives off of the pressure. Wright appears to overwork and overthink in pressure situations while Manny just goes with the flow. Wright could definately learn alot from Manny
not too mention Manny’s .300 30 HR 120 RBI would fill that gaping hole we have at LF…
what would you guys pefer
delgado at 1st and tatis and murphy platooning
or
Manny in Left field
with Murphy at first and signing a guy like aurilla to platoon with him
and tatis playing the bench and spelling church against lefties if he cant hit off them
while trading delgados contract away clearing salary for manny and getting a young cheap arm in return that can fill in the rotation right away
and then sign either derek lowe which would add alot of pay roll OR trade delgado to the angels for joe saunders a lefty thats a legit cheap pitcher for the #4 spot then just sign a guy like tim redding for the 5th spot to compete with niese if we go the rout for saunders we would be getting away with manny this season for cheap with getting rid of delgados contract and getting in return a legit #4 starter and not having to sign either lowe or perez which we wont be giving up picks for lowe and get picks in return for not signing perez if it were up 2 me
i would get manny
trade delgado for saunders
sign tim redding
sign aurilla
sign alex cora
sign left handed reliver
I think the media has drawn out Manny to be a lot worse than what he is… It’s not to say he couldn’t have been more mature or responsible through the process with the Red Sox. The Red Sox waited till pretty much the last moment to trade him though. Even while his value always remained high. If they really believed he made the Red Sox look that bad, than maybe they should think about how it’d be to not be 2007 World Champions.
The Angels won’t trade Saunders. It doesn’t matter who’s in the trade. He’s going to be real good for years for them.
thats what you think
i bet you delgado gets it done
I’d probably rather have Manny in LF with Murphy and Tatis or Evans platooning at 1B than Delgado and Murphy/Tatis. But I don’t think that signing Manny necessarily means Delgado has to be traded. Delgado as a 6 hitter would be scary. Or Beltran as a 2 hitter. If the Mets shown more confidence in Murphy at 2B (even to platoon with Castillo), it’d make this so much easier.
Scot Shields or Jered Weaver would be more likely.
I don’t see the Angels trading their former 1st round 12th overall left-handed pitching 17 win 3.41 ERA starting pitcher for an old rent-a-first basemen. If the Mets extended the trade out to Parnell, than it may be another story.
especially when Saunders is 4 or 5 years away from free agency and made less than half a million dollars last year, and especially when I often read about the Angel’s organizational depth of first basemen. It just makes no sense.
if manny comes to the mets , mets are going to make it to the playoffs thats for damn sure and most likly go 2 the world series because there is no team in the nationl league thats really a threat for taht national league championship now that C.C is out of teh league and Tex isnt coming back and if manny doesnt go to the dodgers and comes to us the national league will be an easy thing 2 wrap up and even if manny doesnt come to the mets aslong as he leaves the national league , the national league will be weak
if parnell was the difference maker i would do that in a heart beat because parnell is no #1 prospect and is not untouchable if it took him get it done now
Signing Adam Dunn (not offered arbitration) and trading Delgado to the Angels for pitching (Weaver, Saunders or Shields) isn’t a bad option…
The Mets would have more choices. Murphy, Tatis and Evans (natural IF) could platoon at 1B, while Dunn who has more power than Delgado can take over in LF. Than when F-Mart’s ready to come up, they can move Dunn over to 1B and either hope Murphy can play 2B or leave Murphy in LF, put F-Mart in RF and trade Church for pitching.
Signing Adam Dunn (not offered arbitration) and trading Delgado to the Angels for pitching (Weaver, Saunders or Shields) isn’t a bad option…
The Mets would have more choices. Murphy, Tatis and Evans (natural IF) could platoon at 1B, while Dunn who has more power than Delgado can take over in LF. Than when F-Mart’s ready to come up, they can move Dunn over to 1B and either hope Murphy can play 2B or leave Murphy in LF, put F-Mart in RF and trade Church for pitching.
FULL AUTONOMY FRED AND JEFF — REMEMBER???
COME ON OMAR>>
Excellent point, Biggie. I’d forgotten about the full autonomy quote.
That was before Bernie Madoff’s ponzie scheme.
I probably would too… The Angels still may not do it, but it’d close the gap. It’d at least the Angels feeling like they got a future starting pitcher after losing one of their own.
yeah its just that it just makes so much sense for the mets to offer manny a 2 year deal right now , dont the wilpons realize there is no competition for manny right now and what are you going to lsoe such a great investment to the DODGERS? come on they need 2 wake up and realize that htis guy alone almost guarantees you with the rest of the staff we have a world series match and revunes out the A** only on a 2 year offer its a match made in heaven especially here in new york they need 2 wake up and smell that fresh coffee and make this move because im ready to buy my manny jersey and bobble head right now lol
The Phillies sign Ibanez 3 year/31,5 million, so signing Manny 3 year/63 million (21 million each year) would be double that. And I’m sure he’d prove to be twice as valuable than the left-handed hitting Ibanez. If the Mets really want to show the Phillies who’s boss, they definitely should considering making that offer to Manny. I don’t know if we’re dealing with a Wilpon or Coupon here though… The K-Rod signing and Manny cheapness gives me mixed signals.
Manny won’t happen! Owners don’t like his reputation and too cheap to improve a big market team like the Mets. The Wilpons are very bad business men with cold feet. Manny is the only player to take us past the Phillies. Ownership is happy losing. Ishould say content losing. Fred & Jeff should sell this team.
If the Mets were to offer Manny 2 years, it probably wouldn’t be at more than 50 million. The Dodgers offered 45 million. If all it took was 5 million to match the top offer, they’d probably do it. The question is if it were a tie between the Mets and Dodgers, who would he choose? I’d probably think the Dodgers, but I could be wrong.
if the money was the same I would say the Mets.
you cant overlook the latino aspect however he did appear to love LA
I thought he grew up a Met fan, for whatever that’s worth.
how do you know this?
I don’t “know” it. I “think” I remember some tv or newspaper accounts in the past talking about how he grew up a Met fan in Washington Heights, but I could be wrong. I can’t find any article to substantiate it. I don’t think it matters, anyway, Manny is such a flake I doubt that sort of thing is important to him.
bringing in manny that is a better hitter than delgado and will hit better than him for atleast another 2 or 3 years is worth getting and breaking up the realtionship with delgado for a young pitcher in return becuase out of the rays , boston , angels , or san fran
one of those teams are willing to give up one of there young starters for delgado especially and american league team which delgado would fit perfectly in a DH role
MAKE IT HAPPEN OMAR!!!! then go for manny with a 2 year bonus ladden contract and team option for a third!!!!
its not omar we should be pleading to make it happen..its the wilpons saying no to omar…this has to change…i have never thought this before today but we need manny…need him
am i wrong or did i read once couple weeks ago that jeff wilpon said we stand behind in the decisions omar makes and support him and must believe in him so much that they gave him a 4 year extention so when he wants a guy like manny why not believe in Omar now i just dont understand
Dont forget the Mets play three games in May at Fenway. Manny would love that.
That being said, I want nothing to do with Manny. Sorry guys. I dont like this guy. Great bat, yes. But I do not want an old guy.
I would have loved Teixeira, he is young. Manny is not. Skip him.
WOW..i understand…i just havent seen anyone write that they DONT want manny on the mets..lol
I don’t NOT want Manny. But I’d prefer Dunn.
that makes no sense
Manny at 37 is still one of the top 5 players in baseball and has NO INJURIES
Yet, haha. I have a feeling that anyone who puts on a Mets uniform develops an injury risk.
haha yea but i mean Manny isnt Alou or El Duque here or even Pedro
this is just like when the Mets were the perfect fit for Vlad but b/c his “back” they didnt sign him and he signed with the Angels and 5 years later his back has been perfectly fine.
I just have a feeling that the Mets will let Manny go someplace else and then we’ll be regretting it later on when Fernando Tatis is batting .230 and Murphy starts looking human
I think they should/need to sign SOMEONE for left. Manny would be great, but Dunn, Bradley, Burrell, and even Abreu are good alternatives for what I’d expect to be a lot less money.
i still think we should go out and offer him a 1 year deal…i think wilpons would allow that…offer 1 year 20-25 mil. noone is goin past 2 years. so maybe he will go for a one year deal and play for another contract and prove that hes got a good attitude
i think a 2 year deal worth 48 mill maybe a 3rd year with a team option pick up if thats what it takes to get him because remember he wants to reach 700 home runs imagine the revunes he would be bringing in next season and the season after and then when hes getting close to the 700 mark even more sales its a match made in heaven but thats if the wilpons even consider this organization a bussiness or a circus
In 2009, the top 7 highest annually paid Yankees will make as much as the entire 2008 Mets.
THAT is ridiculous. The Mets aren’t exactly a small budget team, you know.
Here are the numbers: (2008 Mets $137.8)
ARod – $32
CC – $14
Tex – $20
Jeter – $20
AJ – $16.5
Mo – $15
Jorge – $13.1
Total – $130.6
Guys, right now the Manny price isn’t THAT high. Let’s see if it drops a bit more. We don’t need to spend 24 million on him. That would make us as bad as the Yankees.
and how are the Yankees bad
they had 89 Wins during an injury plagued year and just added CC, Burnett, Teixiera and Swisher to replace Pavano, Abreu and Giambi
But they’re d.i.c.k.s.
i am extremely dissapointed that omar is not allowed to sign a hall of famer because the wilpons don’t like him. it really makes omar come off like a weak gm with no real authority if he can’t sign a guy he is publicly in love with and the fans want. and i cant understand how the yankees can afford to spend almost a half billion dollars in two weeks and we cant spend 100 million. are we that much poorer? i thought we had a decent amount of fans, a new stadium, tv station and played in a big market. i guess i was wrong.
What is Omar going to do? Lie to his boss and disobey him? How would this be Omar’s fault if he wanted him?
im not saying its omar’s fault, it just makes him look bad that he is on record how much he wants a guy and he isn’t allowed to inquire about him in the slightest for no other given reason that the wilpons “don’t like him.”
maybe the wilpons just dont want to admit how bad that matloff scam really hurt them
that might be the case but i’d rather them come out and say we dont have the money than make up some BS reason for not signing him.
Everyone knows Manny is the answer and if he signs with someone else for like 2 years 50 millon im not gonna be very happy
I think that Minaya is playing the outfield market just right.
Just because the Yankees are signing up everybody does not mean that we have to. In case anyone has not noticed, the Yankees have been the only big players thus far, with the Mets being number two.
There are plenty of good players out there that will probably come much cheaper than Manny. Manny himself might come cheaper than he is looking for.
Let Minaya be patient. If he ends up with Abreu and possibly Ben Sheets for the same price that he would have to pay for Manny, then would anyone be unhappy? Abreu is not even on the same planet as Manny, but he is a .280 / 20 /100 lock with a .400 OBP. What about Dunn and Sheets? These combos will cost potentially as much as Manny will alone.
Again, we have to patient with Minaya. Now that it appears the Yanks have filled their offensive holes (except for center field, which we do not need anyway), that takes one gigantic bidder out of the equation for any player we might want.
i would be upset b/c guys like Abreu and Dunn dont prevent us from choking again.
Manny does and that alone makes him worth 25 million a year.
Damn it, get Manny!!!!!!!!!!!!
i dont care about abreu and all those other bums abreu will cost an expensive 2 year deal or 3 year deal maybe an adam dunn but hes a left hadner but i wont go against if he came at 1 year deal
but if you told me delgado can be traded for a young pitcher to eaither the angels , san fran , the rays , or boston and spell us from delgados contract atlast 10 mill of the 12 mill and those 10 mill covers mannys contract that would be an upgrade drastically as manny is a way better hitter than delgado and a better clutch hitter and we would get a starter in return it makes to much sense to trade delgado while he has value right now epsecially with teams despreate for a guy like delgado right now at a bargain price and then sign manny which wont cost any thing with delgado contract gone it just makes 2 much sense wilpons time 2 wake up
shake your fanny, we want manny!!!
Right now, Omar’s doing the right thing. The place they need to upgrade the most is SP. After we (hopefully) get Lowe, we’ll tackle the corner outfield market.
yes that is true but Manny needs to be option 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 for LF.
if the Mets make an effort to sign him and the Yanks or Dodgers give him 4 years or something crazy like that then so be it but saving money and signing Dunn or Abreu without even making an offer to Manny shows me, the consumer, that the Mets #1 priority is not winning and I will be less likely to spend my money at Citi field
I think they should pursue Manny, but not to the ends of the earth, basically.
after signing Lowe the mets need to make every effort to sign Manny
3 years 75 should be the max
i swear next time we find out where minaya or the wilpons are in new york next time we all must go 2gether as 1 where they are and protest that our team deserves Manny we earned it especially after 2 collapases
Chris Alvino – I completely agree on everything except for Ben Sheets. I don’t believe he’s reliable enough health wise. The price of what we could get him for 2 years may be what we can get for 3 years out of Garland.
The way how the Mets may see Manny is the same way how the Cubs see Peavy. An exceptional player who can push you over that hump. Dunn would be a better option because he’s younger and more versatile (although less mobile in the OF). He’ll probably cost a little more though. Overall, if we end up with Lowe, a decent left-handed reliever and Redding, I’ll be pretty happy.
with C.C gone and the Cubs not being able to get the job done ever the national league is weak at this point especially if Manny leaves the national league or even better signs with us the mets and if he does there will be no other team in the national league that will compete with us except the phillies and cubs but cubs been choking over 100 years so i wouldnt really put them in the mix
if you get manny and another legit starter the path to the world series is served on a platter just gota stay healthy and get the job done
We aren’t hearing the whole story about Manny. For all we know, Omar and the Wilpon’s may be on the same page. And that page may be they want to sign him, but got other priorities and not the money of the Yankees.
i cant wait till joe mauer is a free agent sign manny 2 year deal and in 2 years when his contract is up sign maurer it would be great to have that guy being our catcher
Nothing is served on a platter for the Mets lol Easier said is always better than done. The Phillies may not win another world series anytime soon, but it doesn’t mean they’ll go away over night. We need pitching, depth and the all around ability to beat them to get through the wall they haven’t been the last 2 years…
the Mets fell 1 game short of the playoffs and that was with a makeshift bullpen, pitchers like Knight starting games and guys like Robinson Cancel, Evans, Ramon Martinez, Argenis, who dont even belong in the big leagues, in our lineup.
adding K-Rod, Putz, Green, Lowe and Manny and losing Wagner, Ollie, Smith, Heilman, Show makes us at least 6 games better than last year.
That would be a great idea. But the Red Sox or Yankees will probably break the bank for him. The Yankees would probably trade Posada or hold him as a back up not just to get Mauer, but to keep him away from the Red Sox too…
manny doesnt choke no matter what stage he is on he burned the phillies in the national league championship and almost single handly took the dodgers to the world series on the mets he takes this team Team to another level the phillies cant only imagine
can*
manny = the erasing of two septembers of pain. and unbearable misery. end of story.
amen brother
Lowe you have no choice!We are your overlords!
my brain is about to explode with all this manny/lowe talk…we need to get this done..get some 86 swagger into the 09 mets …take a blow and get back up and dare anyone to mess with us..ive been through too much pain watching these mets eventually fail ..we need to make a move…lowe and manny lets DO THISSSSSSSS
Manny would be cool to have. Minaya is probably on his knees begging the Wilpons to let him go after Manny right now.
“take a blow” as in the white stuff? If so, that does sound like th 86 mets
Am I the only person on the planet who doesn’t see Manny as some Jesus figure that rains World Series rings on the fans of whatever team he’s on?
You probably are.
No, you’re not. Manny’s a great player, but he isn’t going to singehandedly win us a WS like some here believe.
Nope. I think there’s like 3-4 of us.
they forget that he just let his agent force a trade from a city in which he was beloved and won 2 world series in. and that he is old.
Mannnnny and the Metssss! PLEASE!
WE WANT MANNY…. WE WANT MANNY…. WE WANT MANNY…. WE WANT MANNY
Please bring in Manny! He is exactly what this team needs. We move to the top of baseball with a move like this. Even if we then turn around and deal Delgado we don’t get that much older and I don’t think age applies to Manny. He can flat out mash no matter what age. Forget Adam Dunn! Dunn is not in the same breath as Manny. 3 at 80 and he is ours!
guys can we stop bashing omar here !! ias much as i don’t agree with the lf platoon its not my decision – ill tell u what i don’t like which is if it is true and omar doesnt have “full autonomy” as stated by the wilpons then ill be livid and feel like ive been scamed
you would really give Manny “I quit on my team” Ramirez 3 years? are yo upeople nuts?
not too mention the fact that the guy has to decline at some point. and us being the Mets, it would not surprise me if we gove him 3 years and his second year line is .290 20. 90. (ie – not worth 20+ mil a year
[sarcasm] Don’t sign Lowe, don’t sign Manny, get rid of Santana, Beltran, etc. and let’s go back to being a 95-100 loss team. That was pure baseball. That was anti-Yankees baseball. No worry about meltdowns, about the quality of the manager or about trades or who the club will sign. It was wonderful and remember down here at the bottom you get rest.[/sarcasm]
lol, lowe isnt the answer. he helps, but the REAL answer for the mets to get to the WS is MANNY. believe it.
wilpons (not omar) are complete idiots. ya want proof? here ya go….
nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2008/12/ramirez_to_the_mets_not_so_fas.html
obviously, the dodger-lovin wilpons arent REALLY interested in the mets going to the WS.
That is an excellent article. Thanks for the link.
WE NEED MANNY! didn’t fred and jeff see what he did for the entire lineup in LA? he takes all the pressure off wright, beltran, etc. COME ON!!
les_gomes – he will do thaat until he decide he doesnt want to play hard anymore.
He played hard enough for a long enough period of time to help the RedSox win two world championships.
i am certain that omar can get guarantees from manny….a conditional contract. besides, manny is worth the risk and any baggage.
he’s worth the risk for 2 years. he would be worth 2/$60 batting cleanup for us over the next two years.
i agree. then he will want to retire and he can be the mets batting coach :)
Yankees made the playoffs in 13 straight years until last year.
The Mets made the playoffs 3 times in that same time period.
You can’t win the WS if you don’t make the playoffs.
Mets: Get Manny and Lowe and Hudson or you are DONE
….also sign DUNN
the simple fact is the Mets need to do something BIG and FAST. everyone has forgotten about the Putz/K-Rod additions because the Yankees 10 upped their moves.
how is our confidence rating a 76 right now? let’s take a look at this team compared to last year… offense: certainly no better …. starting pitching: definitely worse without ollie …. bullpen: obviously better
but the problem is, if we’re going to score 3 runs a game and have no starting pitching (only guarantee we have is johan), then WHAT ARE WE DOING?
Mr. Wilpons, I understand you’re cheaping out because you probably want to recoop the Madoff losses, but you’re not going to recover those losses when Shea (er Citi) is empty in August as the Mets are rolling along as a .500 team. SIGN SOME HELP!
“Nothing can get done during the Holidays….
No one will sign anywhere until after the Holidays….”
Blah, blah, blah, empty heads rattling….
Omar, what is our countermove?
Are we ready to get the back pages back for Christmas morn?
I ask you Sir, what is your move!
Lowe, Dunn, trade for pitching, or dare we say, M-Ram?
Or are we waiting til after the Holidays for some bargain shopping?
I know Manny is a major pain in the a$$ but landing him we’d be in the drivers seat. Fred we all know you got pounded by the Madoff thing but now is the time to step up and put us over the top.
If I were a Yankee fan, I’d be ashamed right now. Because their team can’t get anywhere without PEDs and/or humongous amounts of money. They failed by traditional coaching, drafting and development and now there is stricter drug testing so their only option is to pour on the money ….
And still they have their stinkin’ tin cups out to the city and state for further tax breaks. What a joke they are.
I am almost glad the Wilpons were burned by Madoff. It almost ensures they won’t go down a mad money path the way the Yankees have … though even without Madoff I doubt they would have done so anyway.
I hope the Mets never spend like the Yankees who are a disgrace to baseball and bad for the game. They are evil incarnate!
:evil:
The Yankees are the d-bag who pulls up to a red light in a Porche next to a Civic, beats it off the line, then thinks he actually did somthing impressive.
Merry Christmas to the whole Metsblog community. Good will and peace to all on earth.
May the Yankees rot in hell.
Amen, VCarver, Amen!
For the sake of saving Christmas, Matt, please ban anyone who says “GET IT DONE OMAR” or something to that effect.
GET IT DONE CERRONE.
wow u r gay
You have the intelligence of a carpenter ant and that is probably being generous. Step aside.
haha ok then
The need for Derek Lowe outweighs Manny Ramirez by a lot. It’s not a matter of comparing those two players but comparing the upgrade they provide for our team.
Until we sign other pitchers, our current rotation still has Niese and Parnell in it. Lowe replaces Parnell, who is far below league average.
Ramirez, on the other hand, upgrades the already league average platoon in left of Tatis and Murphy.
Dollar for dollar, Lowe is a much better signing for us and he improves our team more overall. So if it’s one or the other, we’d have to take him instead of Manny.
its not one or the other. mets NEED both…an sp AND manny
i really think we should make a strong push for nady if the yankees make him available
GET IT DONE OMAR
haha
What?
Are you saying the Yankees can’t afford Lowe?
Yeah, ok.
If we dont add Manny or another big RH bat, I sure hope Omar brings in Lowe AND Ollie. If we are going to have an offense with a ton of question marks after the first half of the order, it would behoove us to have the best pitching staff in the NL.
we didn’t hear or see the yankees in connection with teixeira, either.
i have a bad feeling about this. wolf here we come.
Amen,Bad feeling for the last couple weeks
We’ll end up w/Wolf and/or Redding and
have to listen to Omar tell us about their
“great stuff” and how we can expect a break-out year. Look Omar/Wilpons instead of
con’t to waste money on guys who will be DLd
half the season just spend a little more and
get what we need while its available i.e.
Lowe and Manny. Jeeez, This ain’t that difficult.
pitching is NOT enough. manny’s bat is ESSENTIAL for getting to the WS. delicate beltran, loopy swing wright and slumpilicious delagado will not get it done alone. manny will be a sea change that will raise ALL offensive boats.
You can’t be seriously criticizing Wright’s ability… can you? And Beltran, who played 161 games last year by the way, is hardly the problem.
Of course the offense could be improved… but right now the pitching MUST be improved. Do you want to go into the season with Jon Niese, Bobby Parnell, Brian Stokes and Nelson Figueroa vying for TWO spots in the rotation?
Vaccaro’s article in todays Post is spot-on.
C’mon Wilpons/Omar, The market on Manny
and Lowe have come back to us AND if there
was ever a perfect fit/match this is it. Anyone
could see this team needed and still needs
a Righty RBI bat (thanxfornuttinalou) and THE
BEST Righty bat of the last 20yrs is still sitting
out there.As for the SP, Lowe is so much a better Pitcher than Ollie its not even worth the
discussion.If Dempster can get 4/52 f/the Cubs,you gotta bite the bullet and go 4yrs
on Lowe. Give Manny his 3 and Lets seriously
compete for a Championship the next two
seasons.These guys are gamers and winners.AND are guys you dont have to wish
and pray for.As for second base, get use to it
fellow fans. As I posted here for weeks last
winter NO ONE was ANYWHERE close to
offering what Omar gave ‘Ol Looie Aches and
Pains AND NOW we’re stuck w/him.
yanks can STILL get manny! read the link. this would REALLY rub wilpons’/omar’s nose in it!
nydailynews.com/blogs/touchingbase/2008/12/yanks-could-get-manny-and-stil.html
It may be smoke but all indications are that the Wilpons will not go for Manny. So let’s waste our time worrying about more realistic options.
I like the idea of signing both Lowe and Perez. I’m on the fence for guys like Burrell or Dunn — they’re limited defensively in a big Citifield outfield (not that Tatis and Murphy will remind anyone of Tim Raines) and neither figure to age gracefully.
I think it is more realistic that Omar spends the rest of his budget on pitching and fortifying the bench. A solid right hand hitting outfielder (Thames, Baldelli) would make me feel much better about the LF platoon and the bench.
Unbelievable that THIS TEAM would even
have a budget given the new stadium and
all but I think alot of you are right-on. Omar,
doesn’t like Dunn, Burrell stinks,Wilpons
don’t want Manny and Boras is/will make
signing Perez/Lowe very tough. Thanks to
O’s nightmare (Luis aches&pains) No O-Dog.
So what’s left?/
lol….dunn, tatis…all schlubs that would do nothing in the standings. MANNY would MAKE A REAL DIFFERENCE! as for opez, buh bye.
Projected lineup:
Castillo
Reyes
Wright
Beltran
Delgado
Church
Murphy/Tatis
Schneider/Castro
Where’s the hole, and how do you want to fill it?
Manny – not in Fred or Jeff’s Favorite Five
Dunn – negotiations might as well be spelled “done” Did they ever start?
Abreu – where’s the upgrade? if the corners play a full season, will he production be that much better
Burrell – see Abreu
Wigginton – an AC fave, but not better than either Church or Murphy
Hudson – Luis Castillo, except three years younger. What Edmund Hillary sadim upon reaching the top of Everest: it’s all down hill from here.
Lowe is the best answer we have for making out team better.
ha ha….that lineup….it is second or third place without manny. believe it.
That lineup was in first place for the better part of the last three seasons and would have finished in first place if not for the bullpen in the last two.
What’s a bigger problem, the platoon in LF with an OPS+ over 120 or the bullpen’s 29 blown saves?
Did you watch baseball last season?
If the Yankees sign Manny, which I think they could, what would there lineup look like and who do they have to move?
their lineup would be an absolute BEAST. as for their pitching: sabathia, burnett, wang…..a BEAST. while the mets are second rate….again.
I’d guess Matsui would be the one to move but that might be a difficult sell.
They could keep all of them if the starting outfield is Manny, Damon and Swisher from left to right with Matsui the DH and Cabrera and Gardner on the bench. But that’s an awful defense with which to start games.
HEY, Fcuk the Yankees!!!!!!!!
I’m torn, I agree we need Lowe to shore up starting rotation but I’m cringing thinking about going into another year with the same lineup and 1 or 2 plan C guys off the scrap heap. We need something to shake up the bats.
you should be cringing as we all should be.
we’ve seen a championship right there for the
taking the last 3 seasons while omar throws
wilpon $$ at the likes of alou,castillo and duque. And Now, Manny sits there on Christmas eve unsigned and we don’t have
a #2 SP(Lowe) Yet our team nickels&dimes
around. Look murphy,tatis&church aren’t
corner OFers on a championship team.
With the revenue this teams generated
the last few seasons and will the next few
(thanks to the new stadium) Theres no
excuse here NOT to sit w/Manny and tell
him how great a player he is AND how we
want/need him to be the key in leading us
to a title. That and 3yrs/70mil should get
it done.
Dan Graziano of the Newark Star-Ledger tells us to take the New York Mets off the Manny List. Graziano writes that GM Omar Minaya is having trouble selling Ramirez to ownership, despite how well he would fit in with the team. He adds that despite the Red Sox missing out on Mark Teixeira to the Yankees on Tuesday, Ramirez had a worse day. As Graziano puts it, “Because, honestly, where is he going to go now?”
8:01am: Common sense tells T.J. Simers of the Los Angeles Times that Manny’s best — and possibly only — option is a contract with the Dodgers. He wonders if the Dodgers and owner Frank McCourt really even want Ramirez to return. Regardless, Simers doesn’t see the slugger ending up with a small- or mid-market franchise.
^^^^from mlbtr.com^^^
Yeah, Watch while Manny signs w/ the Nats
for 3/69 and KILLS US for the next couple yrs.
Please Wilpons, STOP with the phoney excuses. You let Omar give millions over the
last 3 seasons to guys who are over-the-hill,
never-any-good,always hurt or all three. BUT
Manny is a no-go. Ok. Well good to know I
havent wasted the last 35 years dying hard
w/ this team.Heck we always have 2011 to
look foward to when we can celebrate the
25th anniversary of our last(and only one–
–I remember) Championship.
you guys think that omar is working quickly to sign lowe so he can get manny?..no offers are being made for manny at all.other than the dodgers but lets face it..they dont want him…the only other team that i can see getting him..is the nationals…but again..maybe omar is working fast to sign lowe so he can then sign manny?